TMNT: The Cowabunga Collection Announced

[The Deadman]

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[AquaParade]

Tournament Fighters! Yes.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder if they will include the ones on Genesis as well.

[Demented Utrom]

Yeah the last last konami collections included the Genesis Castlevania and Contra.Has all old the games expect the TMNT 2003 ones. Probably digital like the last 3 konami collections.I have Arcade 1up TMNT collection.Last konami collections came to Xbox,Switch,Playsation, and Steam.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Awesome! Now no one will have to pay over $100 for the NES Tournament Fighters!:tlol:

But seriously, this is amazing!

Is this confirmed for Switch or Xbox?

[Chaotix12345]

I CANNOT believe this. This is the game collection of my DREAMS and to see LIKE EVERYTHING thrown in (including the multiple versions of games like Turtles in Time and Tournament Fighters) is more than I EVER thought we would ever actually get. 10000000000% buying this and if a physical version is announced, it is MINE. (Hopefully it'll get confirmed for other platforms like Switch soon as well.) To get this IN ADDITION to Shredders Revenge this year is just...*chef's kiss*.

[Ninjinister]

I wonder if they will include the ones on Genesis as well.

Right there in the trailer

[neatoman]

Awesome! Now no one will have to pay over $100 for the NES Tournament Fighters!:tlol:

But seriously, this is amazing!

Is this confirmed for Switch or Xbox?

No, weirdly enough it seems to be a PS exclusive. I'm not sure why but for now at least, it seems to be one.

[oldmanwinters]

Well, good for Sony if they ponied up the dough to get this done. I do hope it at least comes to Steam eventually. I wonder if it will feature a production art gallery like the Konami Anniversary Collections. Also, will all the original music make the transition this time?

[Sumac]

So, all of the classic TMNT games (sans Manhattan Missions) in the collection?
Konami pulled its head out of its ass for 5 minutes?

I wonder how many titles will have online support?
Ideally all of them, sans TMNT'89 and Game Boy titles. It would be fan to play NES TF online, lol.
Oh, and, of course, I hope for the PC version.

[oldmanwinters]

I wonder how many titles will have online support?
Ideally all of them, sans TMNT'89 and Game Boy titles. It would be fan to play NES TF online, lol.
Oh, and, of course, I hope for the PC version.

My gut feeling is only the two arcade titles since the work was already done for that via Arcade1up WiFi cabs. But maybe Digital Eclipse will impress me.

Edit:
The arcade beat ‘em ups all have online co-op, but no claim was made about the fighting games.

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/03/09/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-cowabunga-collection-launches-this-year/

[TigerClaw]

This is going to have all 3 versions of Tournament Fighters, NES, SNES and Genesis.

[CyberCubed]

I've been fantasizing about something like this for over 10+ years! WOW :o

It also HAS EVERY CLASSIC KONAMI game! Here's the list:

TMNT 1 (NES)
TMNT II: The Arcade Game (NES)
TMNT III: The Manhattan Project (NES)
Tournament Fighters (NES)

TMNT IV: Turtles in Time (SNES)
Tournament Fighters (SNES)

TMNT HyperStone Heist (Genesis)
Tournament Fighters (Genesis)

TMNT: Fall of the Foot Clan (Gameboy)
TMNT II (Gameboy)
TMNT III: The Radical Rescue (Gameboy)

Ninja Turtles: The Arcade Game (Arcade, original 1989 release)
Turtles in Time (Arcade version)


THAT'S EVERY CLASSIC GAME! They didn't miss any! BOTH the Arcade versions of TMNT II and IV AND the SNES versions! All 3 tournament fighters! All 3 Gameboy games!

13 games! WOWOWOWOWOWOWoWOWOPWOWO

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, yeah, everyone that wanted them has had the ROMs for them for 20+ years now. This is kind of "easy money" stuff Konami is doing these days instead of stuff like new Castlevania games.

How come no Final Fight 1-3?

[Demented Utrom]

Hopefully its not just Playstation getting the collection.Wouldn't mind playing this game on my Xbox Series X in 4K.Final Fight games is capcom.Konami is a different company then capcom.Last Konami collections included the japanese and european verisons of castlevania and contra. Dont know if this one will.

[CyberCubed]

:toops:Hopefully its not just Playstation getting the collection.Wouldn't mind playing this game on my Xbox Series X in 4K.Final Fight games is capcom.Konami is a different company then capcom.

It's confirmed to come to all systems, PS4/PS5, Xbox, Switch, Steam/PC:

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1501701229889474560

[Andrew NDB]

Wouldn't mind playing this game on my Xbox Series X in 4K.

Um... you realize this isn't going to play in 4K, right? It's not even going to play in 1080p. Or 720p. Or 480p. It's going to play at its native, glorious 224p. It's not even clear if there's a "smoothening" option.

[IMJ]

That is an amazing collection, but I'm pretty confident that I have every one of those ROMS on my RG-350 which hooks up to an HD TV anyway.

But still - very cool set. Wonder if it will be PS4 and 5 or just PS5?

[CyberCubed]

I can't believe TMNT will be both Game of the Year 2022 with the new Shredder's Revenge game and with this retro collection.

[Andrew NDB]

Wonder if it will be PS4 and 5 or just PS5?

It shows "PS4 | PS5" at the end of the trailer. Absolutely 0 reason this would be only playable on PS5, though it would be hysterical if it was.

I can't believe TMNT will be both Game of the Year 2022 with the new Shredder's Revenge game

It won't even make the list. It's going to rate better than Dying Light II? Gotham Knights?

[Demented Utrom]

Castlevania and Contra Konami collection has HD filter with 16 by 9 ratio.I wonder if the all games have online. I have a Xbox Series X and Switch and PC.The cheat codes worked on the earlier collections konami put out.

[neatoman]

How come no Final Fight 1-3?

No idea, I can't think of a single re-release of Final Fight 2 and 3 outside of the Wii Virtual Console, and Nintendo killed that off a while ago. The original keeps getting onto collections though.

Two possible reasons:

Capcom seems to have a weird reluctance to put SFI on collections too and only seems to do it if there is extra space, even though the rom can't possibly take up that much data in the first place. Maybe this is because it is seen as a lesser entry in the series and they think of FF2 and FF3 in a similar way?
Another possibility could be that they are originally console releases rather than arcade releases. I know that sounds a bit weird but Capcom has excluded console editions from collections before. Even though Fighting Street, Hyper SFII, Alpha 2 Gold, Alpha 3 Max and Third Strike OE are arguably better than the arcade editions, they were still excluded from the 30th anniversary collection simply because they weren't arcade editions.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It won't even make the list. It's going to rate better than Dying Light II? Gotham Knights?

Cubed's just being Cubed.

[Demented Utrom]

Just saw website for the game that it will include HD textures and save anywhere and a boss rush mode. I remember the TMNT 2 arcade game nes cheat code for stage select and 9 lives code was a pain to do. TMNT 3 nes it was the konami code but ab instead ba. TMNT 4 was the konami code in options on controller 2 on the rest setting.

[Vegita-San]

if they can throw in the xbox remake and the newer 2012 game for switch, it's a must buy. other than that, you can get all those on rom sites now.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

if they can throw in the xbox remake and the newer 2012 game for switch, it's a must buy. other than that, you can get all those on rom sites now.

I assume you mean Reshelled?

[Demented Utrom]

TMNT reshelled didn't have the arcade music on the game just redone music.No release date yet though.

[Sumac]

A missed opportunity to have online for arcade titles, but not for fighting games, if that is indeed the case.

Yeah, yeah, everyone that wanted them has had the ROMs for them for 20+ years now. This is kind of "easy money" stuff Konami is doing these days instead of stuff like new Castlevania games.
Not everyone into piracy, you know?

[Shark_Blade]

Nice collection. Day 1 for sure.

[Jester]

So which of the classic Konami games require this to have a T for teen rating?

[Andrew NDB]

Not everyone into piracy, you know?

It's not really piracy if you even once owned an actual copy of the games.

[oldmanwinters]

So which of the classic Konami games require this to have a T for teen rating?

Definitely the Super Famicom version of Tournament Fighters. For Aska alone...

[Dask]

That rewind feature is going to help me beat TMNT I on NES!

[oldmanwinters]

Sounds like Hyperstone Heist and SNES TF might also support online play.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1501716889826779140

[TigerClaw]

It will release on all consoles and cost 39.99, and it will be physical or digital.
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1501701229889474560

[Shark_Blade]

So when’s the release date? This and Shredder’s Revenge.

[TigerClaw]

So when’s the release date? This and Shredder’s Revenge.
Good question, I bet it will be around the time of Shredder's Revenge's release, I would imagine they release this one week prior to it, That way people can play those games to get them ready for it.

[CyberCubed]

Save states and rewind feature are a godsend for TMNT 1, the game that needs it the most. Finally people can beat TMNT NES who were never able to before.

I also remember Tournament Fighters on Genesis being hard as hell in the single player, so the save states/rewind fetaure will be help to get up to Krang who is a secret boss in that game. A boss rush mode is excellent.

This is every classic TMNT game made by Konami for the original cartoon. Maybe in the future we could get a 2k3 collection with the Gamecube/PS2 and GBA/DS games, but that's probably a pipe dream.

[Storm Eagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-78FD9xvc0

https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/03/09/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-cowabunga-collection-announced-features-13-games

With this, I'd especially look forward to playing the TMNT Arcade Game and the arcade version of Turtles in Time. The former was unlockable in TMNT 2: Battle Nexus that came out for GameCube, PlayStation 2, and X-Box in 2004, but the music was changed.

Now if the earliest Ninja Turtles movies get released on 4K this year, I'll have it made.

[Leo656]

Wow, that's awesome. And all that extra stuff makes it an even better deal. All that for forty bucks? Rad.

[CyberCubed]

It's mind boggling I dreamed of a collection like this since like...I dunno...maybe 2008? This is something I always wish happened for like 15 years. And even in my mind I had hoped they would include both the Arcade versions of TMNT II and IV and the console versions...and we got those as icing on the cake! Plus all 3 tournament fighters and all 3 Gameboy black and white games.

I'm literally crying right now. This is the happiest day of my life. Now I know what people feel like when they get married.

[Sumac]

It's not really piracy if you even once owned an actual copy of the games.
And how many people nowadays own all home console games for 4 different systems, not to mention arcade games, which are quite expensive?

I also remember Tournament Fighters on Genesis being hard as hell in the single player, so the save states/rewind fetaure will be help to get up to Krang who is a secret boss in that game. A boss rush mode is excellent.
AFAIK, Krang is a regular boss in this game and not even a final one. And I've never heard about secret bosses in TF on Genesis.

You mean "amazing" boss rush mode, which consists out of 88 fights in a row, after which you are rewarded with a simple "Congratulations!" text?

[Andrew NDB]

And how many people nowadays own all home console games for 4 different systems, not to mention arcade games, which are quite expensive?

Well, I do, but what I'm talking about is if I once owned a physical copy of Hyperstone Heist for Genesis, I don't feel one bit of guilt in downloading a ROM for it and playing it on my PC or laptop with a controller. And I don't think anyone else should either.

[Coola Yagami]

I was completely blown away by this.

[Leo656]

From what I understand, much of the Genesis TF game's difficulty came from the controls being busted. But I confess I never played that one. I do have a few magazines that reviewed all the different versions side-by-side upon release and the Genesis one was pretty thoroughly trashed. Still pretty excited to play it for the sake of it, though.

SNES version had a few difficult characters, but nothing that can't be cracked with enough practice. Always loved that game despite not really being a "fighting game guy", and even less so back then. I did manage to beat Karai several times over the years, though. Oddly she's not even the most frustrating character to fight; I think Shredder cheats worse, but that's me.

I played the NES version... Once, I think? My buddy rented it but we barely messed with it, and then he got rid of his NES. So no real memories of that one but it will be neat to mess with it.

[CyberCubed]

I have this weird thing where I don't mind watching movies/tv shows for free but it makes me sick doing it with videogames. I know it's a strange double standard, but I have never pirated a videogame in my life.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

So which of the classic Konami games require this to have a T for teen rating?

Aska in the Japanese version of Tournament Fighters aside, the fighting games might still get that rating anyway since that's what most fighting games get rated as, including the Street Fighter games (of which the TMNT TF games are sorta aping).

[Dask]

If this game becomes a runaway success, there may be hope for a TMNT Tournament Fighters II on modern consoles!

[Leo656]

If this game becomes a runaway success, there may be hope for a TMNT Tournament Fighters II on modern consoles!

Incredibly doubtful. But I'd like to see it. The Injustice 2 stuff shows how awesome such a thing as a TMNT fighting game could be if done well.

[CyberCubed]

If this game becomes a runaway success, there may be hope for a TMNT Tournament Fighters II on modern consoles!

There's nobody to make it unless Netherealm studios does it, but they're likely too busy making Mortal Kombat 12 and Injustice 3. At least the Turtles are playable DLC in Injustice 2.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Good question, I bet it will be around the time of Shredder's Revenge's release, I would imagine they release this one week prior to it, That way people can play those games to get them ready for it.

They wouldn't do that as one would cannibalize the other's sales.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Well, I do, but what I'm talking about is if I once owned a physical copy of Hyperstone Heist for Genesis, I don't feel one bit of guilt in downloading a ROM for it and playing it on my PC or laptop with a controller. And I don't think anyone else should either.
What if you had owned those before, but sold them and made back the money you initially paid for them (or more)?

Similarly, if you ever owned a movie on VHS, would pirating it on a different platform (DVD, bluray, digital, etc.) also fall under the same stipulations? And again, if you sold your VHS, would you still be entitled to a recorded copy of it?

Not that I'm against having/using ROMs, mind you (I asked that hypothetical mostly because I'm curious where you stand on the issue if it involves relinquishing physical ownership), but even if I do use ROMs myself, I do still like re-buying these collections for modern platforms. Partially because they're really good games and I like to show support and have them conveniently available in a legal way, but also in the hopes of...

If this game becomes a runaway success, there may be hope for a TMNT Tournament Fighters II on modern consoles!
It's hard to say, but I've been wanting a sequel for ages.

There's nobody to make it unless Netherealm studios does it, but they're likely too busy making Mortal Kombat 12 and Injustice 3. At least the Turtles are playable DLC in Injustice 2.
As cool as it was to have them in that game, I think I'd rather have an actual sequel to Tournament Fighters, gameplay-wise. Netherealm games don't play anything like Street Fighter (or in this case, a game that heavily copies Street Fighter).

[Sumac]

Well, I do, but what I'm talking about is if I once owned a physical copy of Hyperstone Heist for Genesis, I don't feel one bit of guilt in downloading a ROM for it and playing it on my PC or laptop with a controller. And I don't think anyone else should either.
Me neither, but, once again, most people don't have all of those games at home.

From what I understand, much of the Genesis TF game's difficulty came from the controls being busted. But I confess I never played that one. I do have a few magazines that reviewed all the different versions side-by-side upon release and the Genesis one was pretty thoroughly trashed. Still pretty excited to play it for the sake of it, though.
Its not problem with controls, they are fairly responsive, IMO.
The problem with collisions - they are awful, like in Pit Fighter or other early fighting games. They just feel wrong.

I don't even know why they included all the Japanese versions of the games, I mean most likely since it doesn't cost them anything to include them since they already have the emulators but the only one that I think has any differences is the SNES Tournament Fighters or am I missing some other cosmetic differences in other games (outside of menus/title screens)?
They did it with Castlevania collection as well and their regional versions have even less differences. Guess, it is for purists / completionists sake. And people who get used to play certain versions of the game.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

They did it with Castlevania collection as well and their regional versions have even less differences. Guess, it is for purists / completionists sake. And people who get used to play certain versions of the game.
I'm just amazed that they actually just put all these games in one collection. It's a pretty massive collection. Compare it with the Mega Man collections from Capcom and how some of them are split into volumes rather than having all the games from said series together in one collection.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah there's 13 games in this collection, it's pretty insane. I am just so surprised they included the Arcade versions too, especially since TMNT II Arcade is basically an almost completely different game than the NES version despite some similar locations. Turtles in Time Arcade just has a Clayface boss in the Dinosaur stage instead of Slash, and it's missing a few levels like the Technodrome and Sewer Stages the SNES version has.

I wonder if the Tournament Fighters games will include the input moves for the special moves in the pause menu, some of them are pretty obscure to use...otherwise time to pull out gamefaqs to look at the special move guide as if it's 1997!

[Zulithe]

They could have left out many games... or skipped alternate versions, or worst of all, decided to split all the games across multiple collections to get more $$$, but it genuinely sounds good. I hope to pick it up on Steam if it comes there.

Things like this are valuable for preservation and more convenient than emulation. Happy to see it.

I'm still really sad to see the current state of Konami compared to where they were back then. Even what happened to Squaresoft (now Square-Enix) and similar publishers is a much stronger continuation than what they have.

[Prowler]

A collection of 80s of 90s TMNT video games had always been a dream of mine somewhat. But I've always felt it was never going to happen.

But colour me surprised, it is happening. And, naturally, I'll buy it. Being able to play the original Arcade game, Manhattan Project, Turtles in Time and SNES Tournament Fighters on the go all in the same system sounds pretty damn great to me.

And I'll also finally give the Game Boy games a try.

Would have been sweet if the GBA games of the 2k3 series were also included, but I can see why they are not.

[Prowler]

Like i said in the TMNT games section, I'm pleasantly surprised by this announcement. Never would I imagine this day would come. And it turned out even better than I had expected to with 13 games.

Definitely getting this for the Switch. Having TMNT Arcade game, Turtles in Time, Manhattan Project and SNES Tournament Fighters all on the same console and being able to play them on the go? Sweet!

[Leo656]

Maybe a Volume 2 if this goes well?

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah there's 13 games in this collection, it's pretty insane. I am just so surprised they included the Arcade versions too, especially since TMNT II Arcade is basically an almost completely different game than the NES version despite some similar locations. Turtles in Time Arcade just has a Clayface boss in the Dinosaur stage instead of Slash, and it's missing a few levels like the Technodrome and Sewer Stages the SNES version has.

I wonder if the Tournament Fighters games will include the input moves for the special moves in the pause menu, some of them are pretty obscure to use...otherwise time to pull out gamefaqs to look at the special move guide as if it's 1997!

Is there even any evidence they will somehow edit these games in any way, beyond surface level "turn on smoothing" maybe? Because the trailer just seems like these are purely the ROMs themselves that have been available to everyone since about 2000 plugged into the same kind of emulators that have been available to everyone since also about 2000 but just with maybe a flashy background to not make a box look weird on your new TV.

[Turo602]

Maybe a Volume 2 if this goes well?

Unlikely considering 2k3 lacks the nostalgia and marketability of this era of TMNT. Their games never made noise the way these games did and are much too big and complicated to be thrown into a compilation like this, let alone with their handheld counterparts which would be an afterthought, as if the games themselves weren't already.

[Andrew NDB]

Unlikely considering 2k3 lacks the nostalgia and marketability of this era of TMNT. Their games never made noise the way these games did and are much too big and complicated to be thrown into a compilation like this, let alone with their handheld counterparts which would be an afterthought, as if the games themselves weren't already.

Yeah. I think the first requirement might be that they needed to be profitable the first time around at least.

Though hey. If they threw even those games in there... the 4Kids ones and maybe the 2007 ones... I might give it a go just to finally try those because they're too much trouble to emulate and my interest level to try is too low.

[frank_one]

I hope there's some extra stuff for my favorite TMNT game, TMNT 3: Radical rescue.

[Andrew NDB]

I hope there's some extra stuff for my favorite TMNT game, TMNT 3: Radical rescue.

If Konami actually went in and somehow edited old Gameboy ROMs that'd be pretty impressive. But highly doubtful. This just seems like some kind of mainframe with menus utilizing different emulators to access ROMs that have been readily available for eons.

I wouldn't be remotely surprised if there was the same game glitches, too, like TMNT 1 NES.

And wow, TMNT 1 NES. Give that one a full remake, like the full-on FFVII Remake treatment. Every mode in it (the regular mode, driving the Turtle Van, the swimming), to modern standards. I'd play that in a heartbeat. It was the only game that actually tried to be a TMNT game.

[Sumac]

Though hey. If they threw even those games in there... the 4Kids ones and maybe the 2007 ones... I might give it a go just to finally try those because they're too much trouble to emulate and my interest level to try is too low.
Three out of four 2k3 games are all available on PC and TMNT 2007 game was not made by Konami, but by Ubisoft, so its unlikely it can be included into any collection. And there is no problem with emulating PS2 at all, unless your machine is a potato from middle 00s.

And wow, TMNT 1 NES. Give that one a full remake, like the full-on FFVII Remake treatment. Every mode in it (the regular mode, driving the Turtle Van, the swimming), to modern standards. I'd play that in a heartbeat. It was the only game that actually tried to be a TMNT game.
Yeah, and beat'em ups were just whatever, lol.
Imagine being salty about games released 30+ years ago.
"True fans", eh? :lol:

[The Deadman]

if they can throw in the xbox remake and the newer 2012 game for switch, it's a must buy. other than that, you can get all those on rom sites now.

Re-Shelled will probably never see the light of day again.

[CyberCubed]

The description says there's an HD texture pack, there might be an ability to switch between the original look of the games and a "remaster." The Street Fighter II port on PS3 back in the day had this too, where you could play in the original version or the HD re-drawn sprites they did.

Also some of you need to realize that this is a Konami collection, games that Ubisoft made will obviously not be on this. Ubi-soft made "TMNT Re-Shelled" so of course that won't be included. I own it on PS3 and it's a poor remake, so it's no big loss. Ubisoft also made the GBA game based on the 2007 movie, and even though it was the best 2D Turtle game of the 2000's, it obviously can't be included.

[AquaParade]

I can’t believe Tournament Fighters has online play. This is so cool.
I don’t think I’ve ever played the NES version, and I’ve only played the Genesis version briefly. Curious as to how they stack up against the SNES version.

Other then that, I’m looking forward to playing the arcade game again. I seem to remember liking that one more than TiT & HH, both of which I’ve played too many times anyway.

I’ve also heard good things about Manhattan Project.

[CyberCubed]

NES Tournament Fighters has really good game play for an 8 bit fighter. Each character has two specials moves and a lot of basic attacks. Also Casey Jones and Hot Head are playable making a very unique roster.

I loved how the Tournament Fighter games picked such unique roster characters instead of going with the usual mainstream picks. Can't believe we got Ray Fillet in the Genesis version, Hot Head in NES, and Armaggon, Wing Nut, War and Chrome Dome in SNES with Rat King and Karai as unlockables.

The roster picks were hardcore and seeing Archie characters get love in the 90's was crazy.

[Vegita-San]

Re-Shelled will probably never see the light of day again.

that's sad. IT had SOME good things going for it.

If they had just fixed the gameplay mechanics and made better music, it would have been a decent remake.

[Vegita-San]

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I’ve also heard good things about Manhattan Project.

they fixed all the things wrong with the Arcade Game and made a good nes game out of it.

[CyberCubed]

they fixed all the things wrong with the Arcade Game and made a good nes game out of it.

TMNT III is a completely different game than the Arcade game, it's a full blown sequel with all new stages, bosses and story.

[oldmanwinters]

This caught my attention from the Playstation blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2022/03/09/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-cowabunga-collection-launches-this-year/) post:

While bringing our heroes in a half shell back to the surface, we were immediately taken back to a time where we grabbed three other friends to save April from a burning building, struggled to swim through obstacles and prevent the dam from exploding, or discovered that there were secret areas where Casey Jones slammed Raphael into the ground.

That last part... what?

Is that a reference to Manhattan Missions on the PC?

[lonewarrior20]

wonder if the nes konami codes are going to work on these. i'll have to break out the old nintendo power issues to check.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I thought this was the case for the same reasons you list but after seeing the crazy big response this compilation got if this outsells expectations by s lot then Konami will want to do everything to release a follow up and those are the only games they have left.

Especially possible if they have the TMNT license in general to rerelease games already and it wasn't just for those specific ones which seems to be the case.

Granted it's easier to release the fist compilation since they already had emulators for those consoles made for the Konami and Castlevania collections and emulating PS2 is far more difficult. But if sales are big enough they might just try it to cash in even if they know 2k3 isn't as popular.

I really hope you're right. I did enjoy the 2k3 games for what they were. Playing those games as a teenager gave me just as fond memories as I had with the older games as a kid.

This announcement is one of the few good things to come out of the Paramount Global (formerly Viacom) sale.

[AquaParade]

What 3 games are you most looking forward to?
I’d include Tournament Fighters and the arcade game in my list, but third is up in the air. Probably Turtles in Time.

[CyberCubed]

I've already played through these games hundreds, if not thousands of times as a kid, but they're all really good games. The Genesis Tournament Fighters is the weakest game of the bunch since the single player is cheap and has as hell but I love the visual style.

I've probably beaten each game about 1000 times. I would just replay them every day as a kid.

[Demented Utrom]

They should castlevania and contra nes codes worked on those collections like the 30 lives for contra and 10 or 30 lives for Super C if you the play Japanese rom.

[AquaParade]

I'm not sure I realized there was an arcade edition of Turtles in Time. I had the SNES version, but I only ever saw the regular tmnt arcade game out in the wild.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not sure I realized there was an arcade edition of Turtles in Time.

That's where the numbering gets nutty. TMNT: The Arcade Game is TMNT II, and TMNT II in arcades is TMNT IV.

[oldmanwinters]

The new game Shredders Revenge if taking place in the original games continuity it would be TMNT 6 since Hyperstone Heist is 5.

I think one of the beta roms for Super Nintendo Tournament Fighters titled the game as "TMNT 5."

[Andrew NDB]

I think one of the beta roms for Super Nintendo Tournament Fighters titled the game as "TMNT 5."

Hyperstone Heist SHOULD be 5. Though most people at the time definitely called Tournament Fighters TMNT 5.

Hyperstone Heist was just considered "the Sega one," by those who even knew it existed. Which weren't many.

[Sumac]

I am not sure how Hyperstone Heist can be considered separate game. I am always treated it as a port of Turtles in Time, since it reuses crapton of assets from it.

If anything Tournament Fighters can be considered some kind of sequels to beat'em ups.

[neatoman]

I went ahead an checked if anything was excluding (barring Tiger Electronics and crap like that of course). Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Manhattan Missions and the 2003 based games are the only Konami games excluded.

I'm guessing the main reason 2003 games are excluded is because most of them were probably around 1GB, thus too hefty. And throwing in the one GBA game might seem a little too off brand.

[AquaParade]

I loved the art style of Tournament Fighters. The box-art drew me in so hard, when I was a kid. In-game, the models sort of resembled the Henson turtles - at least in the SNES version. It had good music and solid controls. They weren't afraid to play with the lore. For instance, Shredder was "Cyber Shredder", if I remember correctly.

[neatoman]

I went ahead an checked if anything was excluding (barring Tiger Electronics and crap like that of course). Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Manhattan Missions and the 2003 based games are the only Konami games excluded.

I'm guessing the main reason 2003 games are excluded is because most of them were probably around 1GB, thus too hefty. And throwing in the one GBA game might seem a little too off brand.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm guessing the main reason 2003 games are excluded is because most of them were probably around 1GB, thus too hefty. And throwing in the one GBA game might seem a little too off brand.

More than enough room, considering the main 13 games only take up maybe 20 megs in total. Probably less.

[oldmanwinters]

More than enough room, considering the main 13 games only take up maybe 20 megs in total. Probably less.

With emulation, it will probably be closer to 1-1.5 GB. That would put it in line with The Konami Anniversary Collections for Contra and Castlevania. Those also included digital "art books" as a bonus feature.

The "Namco Museum Archives" for Switch ended up being over 60 MB per "volume," and those are just nicely emulated early NES games, fairly bare-bones of bonus content.

I seem to remember most of the PC ports of the 4Kids-era TMNT games being between 500-600 MBs (I think some of them shipped on a standard single CD disk).

[frank_one]

And throwing in the one GBA game might seem a little too off brand.Two GBA games were made by Konami. I guess games based on the 4kids series are not considered classics enough.

[Coola Yagami]

Two GBA games were made by Konami.

He means in terms of them being related to 2K3 and not the 80s series. All the games in the collection are so far related to the 80s cartoon, the 80s toyline and the 90s live action movies.

[AquaParade]

The reason the 2k3 games aren't included is because this is already a pretty big collection and the 2k3 games aren't as well remembered. I'd love to play them again, but these earlier games are known as classics.

[Andrew NDB]

With emulation, it will probably be closer to 1-1.5 GB.

Maybe with their fancy 4K swirling energy backgrounds behind the letterbox, not the emulators themselves. NES, SNES, Genesis and Gameboy are super easy to emulate and I don't think any one of them has ever had an emulator larger than 2 or 3 megs for PC, if that. And those are nice emulators, where you can even plug in Game Genie codes.

[neatoman]

More than enough room, considering the main 13 games only take up maybe 20 megs in total. Probably less.

So... Emulation/porting problems then? The closer a system gets to the modern era, emulation seems to be trickier (or at least as far as companies care to make, hobbyists seem to weirdly enough have a better grasp on how to make a decent emulator). The Gamecube emulator on 3D Allstars renders a few things that are meant to be invisible in Sunshine, and that GTA compilation is notorious.

As for Konami in particular, the GBA Castlevanias could probably have been included in the Anniversary collection even more easily than the 2003 TMNT games for this, yet they still got their own collection instead.

[oldmanwinters]

I imagine the rewind feature so many retro games feature today also requires a decent chunk of memory. Then again… even TF on Sega had an instant replay feature!

[CyberCubed]

It would have been nice to see the 2D GBA and DS 2003 TMNT games, I can understand not wanting to include the console versions. But maybe someday if we get a 2k3 collection.

For those who don't know there were two 2k3 games on GBA both which were great, and then one for the DS which was the third one. Those were all great games. And then Ubisoft made the 2007 movie game for the GBA that's good.

Those are pretty much the only other good 2D games left out of the collection.

[Sumac]

For instance, Shredder was "Cyber Shredder", if I remember correctly.
Which is completely nothingburger, since him being "cyber" is never reflected in any way shape or form. :ohwell:

[CyberCubed]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FloweryAgitatedKagu-size_restricted.gif

The NES Tournament Fighters is such a hidden gem. There aren't many fighters on the NES, but in 1993 Konami managed to put out a pretty good fighter where each character has two special moves and a regular moveset.

If some of you only played the SNES verison you're in for a treat

[oldmanwinters]

you're in for a treat

So hang onto your seat, get ready for adventure and remarkable feats!

Happy MAR10 Day

[Leo656]

Every single time I see any praise whatsoever for Battle Nexus, I have to wonder what f*cking game those people played, or if maybe TMNT games are all the person ever played and so they just don't know any better. Because that game is f*cking HORRIBLE. Easily one of the worst games I've played in my entire life, not a single redeeming factor to it. I'm way more forgiving in general than most people when it comes to video games, but that thing is a piece of sh*t from A to Z. Insultingly bad. Some things aren't opinion. It's a sh*t game.

Yet I see a decent amount of praise for it, for some reason. And I'm forced to believe that these people either only play TMNT games and therefore their standards are terrible, OR they're smoking crack.

[CyberCubed]

All the Ubisoft TMNT games will never get re-released either, the only really good one is the GBA one based on the 2007 movie though.

So the console movie games, the DS one, Turtles Smash-Up on Wii, and the Turtles in Time remake from 2009 are all never going to come out again. After that we have some games based on the Nickleodeon cartoon on the 3DS but they're nothing good, and of course the recent IDW TMNT inspired game on PS4.

[Sumac]

Every single time I see any praise whatsoever for Battle Nexus, I have to wonder what f*cking game those people played, or if maybe TMNT games are all the person ever played and so they just don't know any better. Because that game is f*cking HORRIBLE. Easily one of the worst games I've played in my entire life, not a single redeeming factor to it. I'm way more forgiving in general than most people when it comes to video games, but that thing is a piece of sh*t from A to Z. Insultingly bad. Some things aren't opinion. It's a sh*t game.

Yet I see a decent amount of praise for it, for some reason. And I'm forced to believe that these people either only play TMNT games and therefore their standards are terrible, OR they're smoking crack.
The only good thing about Battle Nexus was music.
Gameplay sucked, since it attempted to be beat'em up and stealth and some weird "fighting game-like" thing in one and failed to be anything coherent.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

All the Ubisoft TMNT games will never get re-released either, the only really good one is the GBA one based on the 2007 movie though.

So the console movie games, the DS one, Turtles Smash-Up on Wii, and the Turtles in Time remake from 2009 are all never going to come out again. After that we have some games based on the Nickleodeon cartoon on the 3DS but they're nothing good, and of course the recent IDW TMNT inspired game on PS4.

I remember when the arcade game based on the Nick toon was announced and the makers behind it showed off gameplay, people were already asking if we'd see a console release.

[I Crave Pizza No More]

Perhaps this has been answered, or perhaps we don't yet know, but I wonder if all of the games will include their original soundtracks and sound effects.

[CyberCubed]

Perhaps this has been answered, or perhaps we don't yet know, but I wonder if all of the games will include their original soundtracks and sound effects.

That seems to be the case. The original music of the games can be heard and I believe the director confirmed it.

[oldmanwinters]

Most people don't really talk about the 3rd console game from the 4Kids era ("Mutant Nightmare"). It has a ton of problems (escort mission, confusing level up system, cheap boss AI which can result in quick and unexpected KOs) which can make it an exercise in frustration, however, I still got enjoyment out of it, and found it to be one of those strangely addicting games I just couldn't quit despite all the hassle. The DS version was the superior of the two, however.

For whatever reason, Battle Nexus was the only one of the 4Kids console games I just didn't enjoy enough to progress very far in a single-player run. I think I did beat it one weekend with a college buddy on co-op. Played the first game a ton, and even put a lot of time into "Mutant Melee" on various platforms (mostly PC).

[Sumac]

Mutant Nightmare was not released on PC, so I didn't even know it existed until few years later.

[oldmanwinters]

Mutant Nightmare was not released on PC, so I didn't even know it existed until few years later.

Yeah, there was an odd release strategy to those Konami "console" games. I think the first 4Kids game was released on just about everything (Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, PC disc); and some of the early DVDs for the cartoon even contained a one-level playable demo of the PC version (the resolution was nice, I remember). Then the 2nd and 3rd games apparently skipped the PC and focused on the Big 3 home consoles. Then with Mutant Melee, they skipped the PS2 release in the USA (inconceivable to me, considering it was the clear market leader) but pumped out a PC disc version as well.

I think I own the first game on Gamecube, the 2nd-3rd games on PS2, and Melee on Gamecube & PC.

[Sumac]

Yeah, there was an odd release strategy to those Konami "console" games. I think the first 4Kids game was released on just about everything (Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, PC disc); and some of the early DVDs for the cartoon even contained a one-level playable demo of the PC version (the resolution was nice, I remember). Then the 2nd and 3rd games apparently skipped the PC and focused on the Big 3 home consoles. Then with Mutant Melee, they skipped the PS2 release in the USA (inconceivable to me, considering it was the clear market leader) but pumped out a PC disc version as well.

I think I own the first game on Gamecube, the 2nd-3rd games on PS2, and Melee on Gamecube & PC.
Yeah, I have (bootleg) versions of first three TMNT games (2003, BattleNexus and Mutant Melee) for PC.

PC gaming was dead in the early 00s until steam revived it in the mid 00s and 2k3 was dead basically around 2005 in terms of relevance for the most part, only the first game got attention for being a new TMNT game and the second one for including the arcade game but gamers at the time didn't care for 2k3 since it wasn't the 87 show. Though why mutant melee arrived in PC and not PS2 is indeed mind boggling, i can't think of sn explanation other than incomeptence or just s big behind the scenes issue from Konami
I beg to differ about PC gaming being dead. There was a big division between consoles and PC, yes, but PC gaming definitely wasn't dead.
On contrary it was booming with new technologies and new games being released around that time. It was a scene very unlike consoles.

If anything PC gaming was stagnating in 2010s, when most new releases had skipped PC.

[oldmanwinters]

Yeah, I have (bootleg) versions of first three TMNT games (2003, BattleNexus and Mutant Melee) for PC.


PC versions? Unreleased or just emulated from consoles?


I beg to differ about PC gaming being dead. There was a big division between consoles and PC, yes, but PC gaming definitely wasn't dead.
On contrary it was booming with new technologies and new games being released around that time. It was a scene very unlike consoles.

If anything PC gaming was stagnating in 2010s, when most new releases had skipped PC.


I agree in that I don't think there has ever been a time when PC gaming was "dead," however, I think what sdp meant was that it didn't have the mainstream universality that it enjoys today when it came to new releases. For the most part, the PC gamers enjoyed a different type of experience while home console/handheld platforms received a lot of licensed properties like TMNT. And since the 1990s, many PC ports of console franchises had significant differences for one reason or another (even the Sam Raimi-inspired Spider-man 3, for example). Nowadays, it is almost assumed that any new game released will get a Steam release, which was not the case in the early/mid-2000s.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't remember the time but right before steam became a thing PC stopped getting more original releases and would only get bad ports of consoles if anything,

No, you're just making that up, I'm guessing because you didn't see any PC games that you liked at a specific time. There was no dormant period of PC gaming. If anything, the dormant period in the 90s, where everyone playing console games didn't notice there was this whole PC games thing going on with way better graphics.

[oldmanwinters]

Saw this thumbnail preview on YouTube and immediately thought of Andrew:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvwcJADlYI

[CyberCubed]

One thing I also like is the Konami videogames essentially created their own universe. They took elements of the original cartoon and Archie and made it their own. If you play each game in order it also follows a narrative and story:

TMNT 1 (NES)
TMNT 2: The Arcade Game (Arcade and NES)
TMNT Fall of the Foot Clan (Gameboy)
TMNT 2: Back from the Sewers (Gameboy)
TMNT 3: The Manhattan Project
TMNT 3: The Radical Rescue (Gameboy)
Tournament Fighters NES
TMNT IV: Turtles in Time (Arcade and SNES)
Tournament Fighters (SNES)
TMNT Hyperstone Heist
Tournament Fighters Genesis
TMNT: Shredder's Revenge (brand new game)

Essentially we have 14 games in this continuity, where Shredder and Krang's plans increase in scope each time. Even the Tournament Fighter games have Story Modes that actually fit into the TMNT universe well, like the SNES version introducing Karai as part of the Shredder Elite.

I dub this the "Konami TMNT universe." The new Shredder's Revenge game is essentially TMNT 6.

[Sumac]

I agree in that I don't think there has ever been a time when PC gaming was "dead," however, I think what sdp meant was that it didn't have the mainstream universality that it enjoys today when it came to new releases. For the most part, the PC gamers enjoyed a different type of experience while home console/handheld platforms received a lot of licensed properties like TMNT. And since the 1990s, many PC ports of console franchises had significant differences for one reason or another (even the Sam Raimi-inspired Spider-man 3, for example). Nowadays, it is almost assumed that any new game released will get a Steam release, which was not the case in the early/mid-2000s.
StarCraft, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, Half Life were not mainstream games?

I can't remember the time but right before steam became a thing PC stopped getting more original releases and would only get bad ports of consoles if anything, then there was like a new golden age and soon enough everything started coming out on PC.
Your memory fails you, sorry.

[oldmanwinters]

StarCraft, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, Half Life were not mainstream games?


Yes, but home console consideration for those titles was often an after thought, as was the PC version of many popular console games. For the most part, they were marketed towards very different demographics. Also, most console versions of FPS were so inferior to the PC originals, it just felt like throwing a bone to folks (mostly kids like me who had to rely on Christmas or birthday presents to get games) who had a console but not the means to invest in a gaming PC with a high end 3D graphics card.

[sdp]

TiT Reshelled got a lot of early hype, but what killed it were various factors, the music they went with was not great, even if they had to change it other options were better.

The 2k3 VAs replacing the voices were fine, the graphics at the time we're good enough for a digital title, it was cool to see those levels in 3D. The artwork for the story segments were fantastic. The modern redesigns of some characters was also fresh, especially in that era where mutants were prohibited by Laird.

But they decided to do a 1:1 remake of TiT arcade version, this wasn't a port, they could've added all the extra content of the SNES version without a problem to make a definitive version, hell they could've added new levels even if taken from the first arcade game. The gameplay being in 3D obviously didn't feel as tight as the 2D game but that's to be expected, a few tweaks could've helped. The worst offence was not including a port of the original game, had that been included it would've shut up most criticisms since at the very least you could still okay the original if you wished.



Unlikely considering 2k3 lacks the nostalgia and marketability of this era of TMNT. Their games never made noise the way these games did and are much too big and complicated to be thrown into a compilation like this, let alone with their handheld counterparts which would be an afterthought, as if the games themselves weren't already.

I thought this was the case for the same reasons you list but after seeing the crazy big response this compilation got if this outsells expectations by s lot then Konami will want to do everything to release a follow up and those are the only games they have left.

Especially possible if they have the TMNT license in general to rerelease games already and it wasn't just for those specific ones which seems to be the case.

Granted it's easier to release the fist compilation since they already had emulators for those consoles made for the Konami and Castlevania collections and emulating PS2 is far more difficult. But if sales are big enough they might just try it to cash in even if they know 2k3 isn't as popular.

Maybe with their fancy 4K swirling energy backgrounds behind the letterbox, not the emulators themselves. NES, SNES, Genesis and Gameboy are super easy to emulate and I don't think any one of them has ever had an emulator larger than 2 or 3 megs for PC, if that. And those are nice emulators, where you can even plug in Game Genie codes.

You're wrong, these aren't merely ROM files you download from the web but there's a custom made emulator and in some cases they're each wrapped around each rom. Add other bells and whistles not to mention HD scans of stuff and yeah the game will end up being about a gig foe these 24 games they're including (since it has the Japanese versions as well). The other Konami collections are about that size.

Sure that still isn't much and they couldve added other games despite it but in general it's a complete collection, the Castlevania collection was missing somw games like the NES kid dracula one and it wasn't because of space. They kept the GBA games for another collection to get more money, not because it didn't fit. Mega Man split their collections as well and it wasn't a space issue, hell it was missing games the previous collection had. I don't see why you're complaining so much in the thread if you aren't interested. I mean it is fine if you aren't but it's still a dope collection and not one that was expected, they included stuff most people don't care for just to be complete.

I'm glad it's being rereleased and with online play, it's great. I'll likely wait until it's on sale or n steam so a few months after release and I'll end up paying $20 or less for the whole package despite already having the roms on my computer for decades now.

Maybe with their fancy 4K swirling energy backgrounds behind the letterbox, not the emulators themselves. NES, SNES, Genesis and Gameboy are super easy to emulate and I don't think any one of them has ever had an emulator larger than 2 or 3 megs for PC, if that. And those are nice emulators, where you can even plug in Game Genie codes.

You're wrong, these aren't merely ROM files you download from the web but there's a custom made emulator and in some cases they're each wrapped around each rom. Add other bells and whistles not to mention HD scans of stuff and yeah the game will end up being about a gig foe these 24 games they're including (since it has the Japanese versions as well). The other Konami collections are about that size.

Sure that still isn't much and they couldve added other games despite it but in general it's a complete collection, the Castlevania collection was missing somw games like the NES kid dracula one and it wasn't because of space. They kept the GBA games for another collection to get more money, not because it didn't fit. Mega Man split their collections as well and it wasn't a space issue, hell it was missing games the previous collection had. I don't see why you're complaining so much in the thread if you aren't interested. I mean it is fine if you aren't but it's still a dope collection and not one that was expected, they included stuff most people don't care for just to be complete.

I'm glad it's being rereleased and with online play, it's great. I'll likely wait until it's on sale or n steam so a few months after release and I'll end up paying $20 or less for the whole package despite already having the roms on my computer for decades now.
One thing I also like is the Konami videogames essentially created their own universe. They took elements of the original cartoon and Archie and made it their own. If you play each game in order it also follows a narrative and story:

TMNT 1 (NES)
TMNT 2: The Arcade Game (Arcade and NES)
TMNT Fall of the Foot Clan (Gameboy)
TMNT 2: Back from the Sewers (Gameboy)
TMNT 3: The Manhattan Project
TMNT 3: The Radical Rescue (Gameboy)
Tournament Fighters NES
TMNT IV: Turtles in Time (Arcade and SNES)
Tournament Fighters (SNES)
TMNT Hyperstone Heist
Tournament Fighters Genesis
TMNT: Shredder's Revenge (brand new game)

Essentially we have 14 games in this continuity, where Shredder and Krang's plans increase in scope each time. Even the Tournament Fighter games have Story Modes that actually fit into the TMNT universe well, like the SNES version introducing Karai as part of the Shredder Elite.

I dub this the "Konami TMNT universe." The new Shredder's Revenge game is essentially TMNT 6.

The issues with the Konami universe is how does Shredder keep reviving if they're killing him, I mean his death in TMNT IV is hard to say he survived the fall.
Also the similarity of the story between TiT and HH is a bit too much the same adventure.

Shredder's Revenge sadly doesn't seem to be set in the Konami universe, it does seem to be a 1987 universe story.

[oldmanwinters]

The issues with the Konami universe is how does Shredder keep reviving if they're killing him, I mean his death in TMNT IV is hard to say he survived the fall.
Also the similarity of the story between TiT and HH is a bit too much the same adventure.

Shredder's Revenge sadly doesn't seem to be set in the Konami universe, it does seem to be a 1987 universe story.

“Cyber Shredder” and possibly clones?

[CyberCubed]

The only plotholes is Splinter turns back into Hamato Yoshi at the end of the first game. Shredder "dying" and coming back happens all the time in the cartoons so that doesn't matter. The Technodrome blows up at the end of TMNT II, but you can say Krang re-built it. Hell in TMNT III the Technodrome is back with no explanation at all, so Konami decided to bring it back immediately.

Hyperstone Heist actually has a completely different story than Turtles in Time. And we see Shredder and Krang come up with different schemes each game, like TMNT III where they raise Manhattan Island out of the ground. I'm pretty sure Shredder's Revenge will fit right in with the other videogames.

[Sumac]

PC versions? Unreleased or just emulated from consoles?
PC ones. With bad "translation" to Russian and cut animated clips so pirates could save space on disks.

Yes, but home console consideration for those titles was often an after thought, as was the PC version of many popular console games.
That what I've meant when I said that there was a "division between PCs and consoles".

It doesn't mean that PC games were less popular, its just PC players and console players had very little overlapping.

[Andrew NDB]

It doesn't mean that PC games were less popular, its just PC players and console players had very little overlapping.

Yeah, that's exactly my experience. And in a few circles in high school at least, you were laughed at if you were playing your SNES or Genesis while the big boys were playing the PC games. Even in the PS1 era.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Man, oh man. Unfortunately, I've had some extreme losses in my family this week ... but this news really helped take my mind off some heaviness.

I feel like I've been hoping for something like this forever and I'm so glad it's finally coming into fruition! Heck, I remember always telling friends how a "Radical Retro Collection" would be such a fantastic idea, but I figured the Konami/Nickelodeon licensing hell to put it on consoles outside of the high-end Arcade1Up would be a nightmare.

Everything about this sounds fantastic, especially the "production art and history" inclusion. I got the Mega Man Legacy Collection 1 for my Switch two years ago and its one of my favorite collection games I've ever played. I know Digital Eclipse will do right by TMNT.

I really, really hope we get a release date soon!

Something I was thinking of too, and I'd love to get anyone's take on this ... does this take away some of the fire from Shredder's Revenge, and do you think Dotemu/Tribute Games was aware of this? Let's be honest, SR is super hyped among those looking forward to it ... but the lack of a release timeline and minimal trailers outside of "hey look who else is playable!" might have taken the wind out of the sails for some. And outside of the fact that it's a new game, I think most felt SR was like the only real "legal" way to have that old school TMNT gameplay experience on modern consoles.

Now with this collection ... does this affect Shredder's Revenge? Obviously there are those who will dip into both (most of us here, haha) but will those who were going to get that game think to themselves ... "nah, I'll wait for that new one. I'll save my $39.99 for 13 games from my childhood."

[oldmanwinters]

Something I was thinking of too, and I'd love to get anyone's take on this ... does this take away some of the fire from Shredder's Revenge, and do you think Dotemu/Tribute Games was aware of this? Let's be honest, SR is super hyped among those looking forward to it ... but the lack of a release timeline and minimal trailers outside of "hey look who else is playable!" might have taken the wind out of the sails for some. And outside of the fact that it's a new game, I think most felt SR was like the only real "legal" way to have that old school TMNT gameplay experience on modern consoles.

Now with this collection ... does this affect Shredder's Revenge? Obviously there are those who will dip into both (most of us here, haha) but will those who were going to get that game think to themselves ... "nah, I'll wait for that new one. I'll save my $39.99 for 13 games from my childhood."

I think that is a fair point. Ideally, I think the classic collection would be revealed after the new game was already out. Maybe 9 months later—soon enough to ride momentum of the publicity but not too close to steal any thunder from the more ambitious project.

[Shark_Blade]

For casuals they most likely will go for SR because it’s brand new.
Most of us here will be playing both anyway.

[CyberCubed]

Shredder's Revenge should have been out by now. It's mind blowing the new game has no release date, so if sales of it are less because people buy this retro collection instead, it's on them. I have no idea why the game was delayed so much or how it still has no release date.

[The Deadman]

Shredder's Revenge should have been out by now. It's mind blowing the new game has no release date, so if sales of it are less because people buy this retro collection instead, it's on them. I have no idea why the game was delayed so much or how it still has no release date.

Games get delayed all the time. It's NOTHING new.

[CyberCubed]

Since I assume both will be priced $40, you now have a choice of getting 14 games for $40 or just 1 game for $40. If people can only buy one, most people would go with the retro collection for nostalgia. A lot of "wind" has been taken out of the announcement of the new game. Of course hardcore fans will buy both.

I've wanted a new great 2D TMNT beat 'em up that played like the old games forever, so of course I'm still very excited about Shredder's Revenge and what they've shown so far looks great. But I can't help but feel like sales will be cut in half now.

[Sumac]

Just in case, if someone don't know "titles with online functionality -TMNT (Arcade), TMNT: Turtles in Time (Arcade), TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist, TMNT Tournament Fighters (Super Nintendo)".

No online for TiT (SNES) or other Tournament Fighters.
There goes hope to play Manhattan Project online.
Bleh.

Still gonna buy it, if I will have money and possibility to buy stuff on Steam.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

No online for TiT (SNES)

Cowabummer... :ohwell:

I honestly like SNES TiT way more than arcade TiT, even if it does lack 4-player.

[Sumac]

Gameplay-wise I like Arcade TiTs more.
But content-wise SNES version is superior.

Golden way would have been give all three versions of it, online support, but it seems not the case here for some reason.

Collection was done by Digital Eclipse - company which specializes on making collections of the old games for dirt cheap with equal quality, it seems.

Their Street Fighter Collection was lambasted for having ****** online, as well, as some delay input even in offline games. I hope that porting single player games should be simpler, but we'll see.

[AquaParade]

I sort of like the idea of playing TiT online, if it feels balanced. I don’t want 100 lives or to play with someone who decimated every enemy on screen before I can even remember how to jump-attack.

Hope they have taken that into account. It still needs to be a challenge or I’ll zone out and lose interest.

[Sumac]

Its impossible to make it balanced - it is an Arcade which supposed to chug quarters from you. It is possible to tone down AI, but then it might become boring.

I suspect they just enable Free Play.

[oldmanwinters]

I really hope Digital Eclipse activates the playable bosses in the Sega version of Tournament Fighters.

[AquaParade]

Its impossible to make it balanced - it is an Arcade which supposed to chug quarters from you. It is possible to tone down AI, but then it might become boring.

I suspect they just enable Free Play.

My hope is that they provide an option that limits the amount of lives you are given. If we can endlessly continue, it's going to feel like walking through a gallery of TMNT videogame assets, rather than actually "playing" anything, imo.

[Sumac]

Newest Capcom Collection will have Extra mode, which unlocks unlockable stuff, like characters, but I doubt DE will go as far as to make unplayable characters playable. They usually don't go so far.

[oldmanwinters]

Like having them selectable? That'd be great but unsure how much they're willing to edit the game.

In 2010, YouTuber Junanagou demonstrated that all the required data for playable bosses exists in the rom, but just requires a little tinkering to unlock:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZKjNrr04Qs

Apparently, Game Genie codes are sufficient to unlock the boss characters, but the boss stages required using Cheat Engine on the Gens32 Genesis emulator.

[Sumac]

Yeah, I know, I've played as Krang in that game.
But I doubt DE will do it, even if it is easy.

[Leo656]

My hope is that they provide an option that limits the amount of lives you are given. If we can endlessly continue, it's going to feel like walking through a gallery of TMNT videogame assets, rather than actually "playing" anything, imo.

I hear you, but I'm guessing you'll have to choose to play it on the "honor system" regardless.

They've mentioned, I believe, that it will have both Save states and Rewind functionality, similar to stuff like the recent Aladdin/Lion King compilation and stuff like that. I forget whether those games had unlimited lives and continues or not but being able to undo any deaths or damage is more or less the same thing since you're essentially unstoppable, IF a player chooses to make use of those types of features. Which of course is optional.

I like that these newer compilations include such "quality of life" improvements though. I'm old, my gaming time is limited, I don't have time to be "tested" and power through anymore the way I did when I was eight. I don't have the patience to endlessly circle-jerk through the first NES game because I missed one single "impossible" jump. I long ago resigned myself to the fact that the only way I'd ever see the end of that game was on YouTube; now, even though it'll be "cheating" by using Save states and so on, at least I'll have a chance to play through the endgame scenario with my own hands. I'll never feel satisfied about it, but on the flip side, f*ck that f*cking game for being such a dildo in the first place.

That's maybe the only game in the collection where such "cheats" would be absolutely "required", though, and maybe the Genesis Tournament Fighters. Everything from the Arcade game through Tournament Fighters SNES is completely playable without any extra help, although those Extra Lives codes always came in handy. But that's all most folks should need, those games aren't actually that hard once you get the timing down and remember all the little cheese tricks. Even so, for people even less patient than me it's cool they included those Save states and Rewind options so people can whip through them more leisurely. For a lot of folks, I imagine that "walking through a gallery of assets" is more or less what they're looking for with these games. There's definitely a segment of the audience who just want a brisk walk through their nostalgic memories, not to get stuck and lose all their Continues on Slash and have to start over.

But I mean, the good thing is you don't have to use any of those little "improvements" if you really don't want to. So you'll probably be fine.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't mind infinite continues for arcade-at-home ports, as I think anything less wouldn't be either authentic or fair, since the game was designed with the goal of munching as many quarters as possible. For arcade ports, I just try to challenge myself with getting better using less continues on multiple playthroughs. I welcome "achievements" that reward a player for playing well though.

[oldmanwinters]

You know... I'm surprised that Konami didn't consider the "Free-to-Download-Microtransaction-to-Play" business model for these old arcade ports.

[AquaParade]

I hear you, but I'm guessing you'll have to choose to play it on the "honor system" regardless.

They've mentioned, I believe, that it will have both Save states and Rewind functionality, similar to stuff like the recent Aladdin/Lion King compilation and stuff like that. I forget whether those games had unlimited lives and continues or not but being able to undo any deaths or damage is more or less the same thing since you're essentially unstoppable, IF a player chooses to make use of those types of features. Which of course is optional.

I like that these newer compilations include such "quality of life" improvements though. I'm old, my gaming time is limited, I don't have time to be "tested" and power through anymore the way I did when I was eight. I don't have the patience to endlessly circle-jerk through the first NES game because I missed one single "impossible" jump. I long ago resigned myself to the fact that the only way I'd ever see the end of that game was on YouTube; now, even though it'll be "cheating" by using Save states and so on, at least I'll have a chance to play through the endgame scenario with my own hands. I'll never feel satisfied about it, but on the flip side, f*ck that f*cking game for being such a dildo in the first place.

That's maybe the only game in the collection where such "cheats" would be absolutely "required", though, and maybe the Genesis Tournament Fighters. Everything from the Arcade game through Tournament Fighters SNES is completely playable without any extra help, although those Extra Lives codes always came in handy. But that's all most folks should need, those games aren't actually that hard once you get the timing down and remember all the little cheese tricks. Even so, for people even less patient than me it's cool they included those Save states and Rewind options so people can whip through them more leisurely. For a lot of folks, I imagine that "walking through a gallery of assets" is more or less what they're looking for with these games. There's definitely a segment of the audience who just want a brisk walk through their nostalgic memories, not to get stuck and lose all their Continues on Slash and have to start over.

But I mean, the good thing is you don't have to use any of those little "improvements" if you really don't want to. So you'll probably be fine.


Right on. I'm the type that can't really enjoy self-imposed rules, when it comes to video games, but that's a personal preference or personal hang-up - however you want to look at it. I know a lot of people have no issue with imposing their own rules within videogames, so more power to them.

I didn't think about the rewind feature, but it's a good point, that it's essentially the same thing as having infinite lives. I can't imagine how that would work in multiplayer though. Those are great features to add, but I'm hoping they are optional and they'll have something for me.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully they patch it online for Turtles in Time SNES because it's a glaring ommission.

I wonder why they didn't try to get online for TMNT II or TMNT III on NES though.

[Sumac]

Hopefully they patch it online for Turtles in Time SNES because it's a glaring ommission.

I wonder why they didn't try to get online for TMNT II or TMNT III on NES though.
Guess they are not high profile enough.

Also, as I said before Digital Eclipse makes ports for cheap, which leads to a lot of problems, from input lag to ****** online.

Aforementioned Street Fighter Collection had only 4 games playable online out of 12. Yeah, 5 of them were different versions of Street Fighter 2, but for example, new Capcom Collection from different developer has 10 fighting games and all of them have online.

[CyberCubed]

I see, hopefully these turn out well. I don't care about online much but Tournament Fighters should be fun to try online. But it's just weird the SNES Turtles in Time wasn't a priority.

Just getting to play 14 classic games in one place on modern game consoles is good enough for me. Never in a million years would I dream something like this would actually happen. I even fantasized of a collection like this for over a decade.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, I agree and don't have time so while I consider it cheating, it's either that or I won't be able to ever play through most of the game. Games especially difficult/cheap to lengthen the game I feel fine with cheating a bit. I do try to play the game as intended for the most part abusing rewind/lives etc is also boring

Reminds me of when Mike Matei made that controversial tweet about using the rewind means that you didn't beat the game at all.:lol:

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Hopefully they patch it online for Turtles in Time SNES because it's a glaring ommission.

I wonder why they didn't try to get online for TMNT II or TMNT III on NES though.

It's a toss-up if they will or not. Digital Eclipse did the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection, too, but despite vocal outcry, never patched in online for Street Fighter Alpha 2.

[Sumac]

Official site of the collection. (https://www.konami.com/games/tmntcollection/)

*11 Japanese regional versions total -No Japanese versions released for TMNT: Turtles in Time (Arcade) and TMNT: Tournament Fighters (NES)

**Titles with online functionality -TMNT (Arcade), TMNT: Turtles in Time (Arcade), TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist, TMNT Tournament Fighters (Super Nintendo)

[Powder]

I dunno if I already posted in this thread or not but I'm so excited about this release, I hope it's decently done. Obviously, most of us have played these regularly over the years, still to this day, be it from the original carts or emulation, but it'll be great to have them all in one official release, on our favorite consoles (Switch, for me), with online. Shell yeah!

[Andrew NDB]

Should we arrange group play-throughs when it comes out? I'm not in love with these games but I'd totally join some of you guys for one.

[oldmanwinters]

Should we arrange group play-throughs when it comes out? I'm not in love with these games but I'd totally join some of you guys for one.

I'd be game for that.

Has cross-platform online play been confirmed for any of these titles? I will probably try to pick up a physical Switch copy soon after release, but I will keep a look out for big discounts on the digital versions (Steam being the priority).

[Powder]

I'd love that! Assuming we all have similar hardware, anyway.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

What controller are you guys rocking for the ones getting it on PC?

I'm using this, which works for both PC and Switch.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51qbCflgztS._AC_SY450_.jpg

[Wildcat]

Kinda late to this news but looks amazing and it’s getting a physical release. That makes me happy.

I’ve actually never had any TMNT game. I just rented them back in the day...and could never get very far. :lol: I tried Tournament Fighters through the Sega Channel service but remember it being impossibly hard.

I’ve been wanting to play the Game Boy games so I love that they’re included.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

I've heard bad stuff about the d-pad of the 8bit do so i've steered clear of those.

I didn't even notice this when I posted what I did... :embarass:

But I can say, as someone that owns one, I haven't noticed any issues at all with the d-pad as of yet, and I've had this controller for quite a while. The only issues I have with it is that it can be a bit of a hassle to set-up for the Switch, which is ironic as I think that's specifically what it was made for. On PC, however, there's no set-up required. It just plugs in through USB and works automatically.

There are several versions/revisions of the 8BitDo, though, so maybe if there are problems with the d-pad, it might not be with every version/revision? The one I have is the one that looks like the one in the image I posted.

[TigerClaw]

Its going to have a new feature, a custom game guide.
https://twitter.com/frostman007/status/1503897291924525059
One of the new features that I'm most excited about is the inclusion of custom game guides inspired by video game magazines from the 80’s and 90’s. A lot of work went into their creation, so I can't wait until fans get to see them. #TMNTCowabungaCollection

[CyberCubed]

They need to at least include the button inputs for the special moves for the 3 Tourtnament Fighter games. Modern fighters have all the special moves listed right in the pause menu, so hopefully they can do something similar.

I don't want to have to print out a gamefaqs move list guide and staple it together like it's 1998 again.

[Leo656]

Haha, I still have a printout list for SNES Tournament Fighters.:lol:

I actually have a whole thick three-ring binder of stuff like that. And I still have every strategy guide I've ever owned. You gotta remember, though, I've gone years at a time with no internet access and a part of me is always paranoid something will happen again. So if it ever does, I'm prepared.:trazz:

It'd be a nice feature for them to add, sure. I mean it's just common sense to have moves lists on the pause menu, really. Games shouldn't be work.

[Sumac]

Movelists for each game would be amazing. Especially for Tournament Fighters games. Hopefully it will be implemented.

Oh, and maps for TMNT'89.

[Coola Yagami]

Wow, you guys must have bad memories or not played the game as much. I played TMNT TF SNES since it first came out and I still remember all the moves.

[Leo656]

I mean, it is MOSTLY just Street Fighter II with Ninja Turtles, yeah.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean, it is MOSTLY just Street Fighter II with Ninja Turtles, yeah.

Yeah and it's at a time where everyone only had like 2-3 special moves each.

[red1981]

i was not a big fan of the tournament fighters ones

[Leo656]

Yeah and it's at a time where everyone only had like 2-3 special moves each.

In my defense, I was never a "fighting game guy" and even less so back then. The fact it was TMNT and further that it looked SO good graphically kind of forced me to play it even though I wasn't great at it. I did get good enough to beat Karai, at least.

I hardly use anyone but Leo, though. Love that Millennium Wave!

[Coola Yagami]

In my defense, I was never a "fighting game guy" and even less so back then. The fact it was TMNT and further that it looked SO good graphically kind of forced me to play it even though I wasn't great at it. I did get good enough to beat Karai, at least.

I hardly use anyone but Leo, though. Love that Millennium Wave!

Yeah and Leo was pretty much the Ryu of the game (though the argument can be raised he's also the Ryu of TMNT in general). His super was awesome. You can use it from far away and kill the opponent in chip damage or you can do it up close and deal more damage.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I loved that game. The artwork in the manual was incredible, I spent hours copying that sh*t.

Some of the fighters are cheap as hell but it's beatable. Everyone has a recognizable and exploitable pattern if you're patient enough to pay attention. "This guy counters all aerials. Don't get close to this guy, use projectiles. This guy is murder at a distance but is weak up close." And so on. Really makes you get good at using different strategies and ALL the different moves of your character. Can't just spam jump-kicks or fireballs. Might beat some guys that way but you can't beat the whole game that way.

It can be a very humbling game, but I really dig it. I've said many times, if someone argues that SNES Tournament Fighters is the best TMNT game ever made, I might not fully agree but I also won't put up a fight. There's a case to be made, absolutely.

[Sumac]

Wow, you guys must have bad memories or not played the game as much. I played TMNT TF SNES since it first came out and I still remember all the moves.
Never bother to remember movelists of all characters in a fighting game. I just remember for the ones I play a lot.

[AquaParade]

Tournament Fighters is def my favorite TMNT game. It controls very well and the presentation kicks ass. From the pixel-art to the cover artwork. Great character selection too.

[Leo656]

SNES version needed playable Casey. And possibly April, although I'm not sure how that would work given how she was busy holding the mic for everyone else. I'unno, they could've figured it out. Maybe Vernon interviews the winners if you play as April; yeah, that's the ticket. Why the f*ck do *I* have to come up with this sh*t? Nobody's paying me, but I gotta do all the work for these f*cking people.

Anyways, yeah, do that and the SNES version is purr-fect. As is... just very close.

[Sumac]

Tournament Fighters is def my favorite TMNT game. It controls very well and the presentation kicks ass. From the pixel-art to the cover artwork. Great character selection too.
Character selection is where I strongly disagree with and, IMO, it is weakest thing in TF on SNES. Like part of the roster are literally "no-names": War? Wingnut? Armaggon? Aska?!

Where's playable Krang? Bebop and Rocksteady? Splinter?

Even Sega Genesis TF has stronger roster, outside of Konami made-up Sisyphus.

[AquaParade]

Casey's absence is pretty strange, but all in all, I love the diversity of the roster. It was basically worth it to get characters like Armaggon and Wingnut, who never get any exposure. Although, I think swapping out "War", who is a fun deep-cut, for Casey, who is essential, would have been an easy move.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I liked the mash-up of Mirage, cartoon and Archie characters, personally, but I can definitely see how for a lot of people that roster is pretty "WTF?" For me it was just cool to see some Archie characters get some attention in another medium since they never did otherwise.

I kinda feel like they didn't use Bebop and Rocksteady since Rat King was already their "bruiser" and almost none of the other fighting styles repeat between characters. It feels like they tried very hard to make every one of them unique and it's possible that they didn't or couldn't find a way to do that with Bebop and Rocksteady. It also felt like the franchise as a whole was moving away from them, and that may have been a factor. That's all just me speculating, though.

As a kid I did wish I could trade a few characters over with the Genesis roster, though. :lol: "Your version of the game sucks, anyway; I want Casey and April and Krang and you can have a couple'a these guys." Just so the SNES game would have the "perfect" roster since the Genesis game was f*cked. :trazz: Stick the "no-names" on the game nobody was actually gonna play, f*ck it.

It's whatever to me, though. Those aren't the names I'd have picked out of a hat but they make for a very eclectic and diverse game all the same.

[Sumac]

Also, the fact they've turned Rat King into a muscular grappler, when in cartoon he was lanky and tall is just WTF thing for me.
At least they've added Karai in all of her glory, without "daughter of Shredder" ********. Yeah, I know, it was not created at the time of TF, but still.

[CyberCubed]

Casey and Hothead in the NES version are really fun to play as. The NES game is fun and coming out in 1993 it was one of the last NES games to come out so it feels as "modern" as an 8 bit game could get. Shredder's movement was great too.

[Sumac]

Casey and Hothead in the NES version are really fun to play as. The NES game is fun and coming out in 1993 it was one of the last NES games to come out so it feels as "modern" as an 8 bit game could get. Shredder's movement was great too.
According to Wikipedia, NES TF was released in 1994, which is why it is so unknown.

[oldmanwinters]

According to Wikipedia, NES TF was released in 1994, which is why it is so unknown.

I think I received it as an Easter present that year. I was quite happy!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think I received it as an Easter present that year. I was quite happy!

I'm curious to play that version. It doesn't look like it's aged particularly well but I still want to try it. The SNES version was the only one I played.

[CyberCubed]

I'm curious to play that version. It doesn't look like it's aged particularly well but I still want to try it. The SNES version was the only one I played.

It plays pretty well for an 8 bit fighter. All the characters have two special moves and then basic attacks. The 4 Turtles share basic attacks movesets, but their special moves are unique. Casey, Hot Head and Shredder all have unique movesets.

The single player is fun.

[Leo656]

I have a video game magazine from back then where some kid wrote in saying he was a huge fan of fighting games but only had an NES, and if they could recommend any fighting games for that console. NES Tournament Fighters was the only one the editors could name. :lol: I don't know if there actually were any other fighters on NES, were there?

[Coola Yagami]

I have a video game magazine from back then where some kid wrote in saying he was a huge fan of fighting games but only had an NES, and if they could recommend any fighting games for that console. NES Tournament Fighters was the only one the editors could name. :lol: I don't know if there actually were any other fighters on NES, were there?

Not like a traditional fighting game no. I think it was the only one. The closest thing is maybe that fight mode in Double Dragon? That old Kung Fu game?

[Sumac]

It plays pretty well for an 8 bit fighter. All the characters have two special moves and then basic attacks. The 4 Turtles share basic attacks movesets, but their special moves are unique. Casey, Hot Head and Shredder all have unique movesets.

The single player is fun.
Turtles have some different regular moves as well. I think, each turtle has unique high kick animation and Leo has Slide, instead of regular Sweep Kick.

I have a video game magazine from back then where some kid wrote in saying he was a huge fan of fighting games but only had an NES, and if they could recommend any fighting games for that console. NES Tournament Fighters was the only one the editors could name. :lol: I don't know if there actually were any other fighters on NES, were there?
There were something, but they were either bad or old, or both.
The only other "pure" fighting game on NES I can name, is an Yie Ar Kung-Fu by Konami - a port of their Arcade fighting game.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I didn't think there were very many, or if there were they had to be rather obscure.

I wonder if that kid ever got a copy of NES Tournament Fighters? :lol: Going by its market value, it seems like only rental stores did. My friend once rented it but outside of that I never even saw a copy in the wild or knew a single person who owned it.

[Sumac]

Yeah, I didn't think there were very many, or if there were they had to be rather obscure.

I wonder if that kid ever got a copy of NES Tournament Fighters? :lol: Going by its market value, it seems like only rental stores did. My friend once rented it but outside of that I never even saw a copy in the wild or knew a single person who owned it.
Getting late NES games here was not a problem, thanks to pirates.
In fact a lot of obscure titles like Chip'n'Dale 2, TMNT3, Tournament Fighters, Duck Tales 2 were known to every kid here. And it was surprising to learn that some people on the West never knew about their existence or have never played them.

[Leo656]

Yeah I'm pretty mad and jealous about that. Those were mostly games most of us only read about in magazines long after there was any realistic way of getting them. "Ducktales 2? What the f*ck? No way."


TMNT III: The Manhattan Project wasn't that obscure as I remember it, though. That one was around, it just wasn't as well-known as its brethren. The others though were f*cking unicorns.

[Sumac]

Yeah I'm pretty mad and jealous about that. Those were mostly games most of us only read about in magazines long after there was any realistic way of getting them. "Ducktales 2? What the f*ck? No way."


TMNT III: The Manhattan Project wasn't that obscure as I remember it, though. That one was around, it just wasn't as well-known as its brethren. The others though were f*cking unicorns.
NES was introduced in Russia only in 1993, almost 10 years after its debut in North America and here it was contemporary with Sega Genesis and SNES. But it had a major advantage of being extremely cheap, compared to its rivals and its carts were very easy to pirate, which also made them super cheap.

On the other hand, a lot of early NES titles were pretty much unheard of, so finding, something like Final Fantasy or original Metroid would have been a problem.

[CyberCubed]

I remember NES games being sold like up to 1995, and not just in retro stores but in Toys R Us. People forget how often old consoles stuck around back then, Super Nintendo games could be bought way into the N64's lifespan.

These days it seems last gen consoles are phased out really quickly besides cross-gen games. Like the N64 died a few months before the Gamecube came out.

[Leo656]

Yep. When I bought my N64 in '97 I also snagged a bunch of SNES games at Toys R Us for about $20 each. Not junk, either, like "A Link to the Past" and stuff like that.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

A few months ago, I went to a game store that sells old video games and they had the Manhattan Project which was being sold for $60 for the cartridge alone and $300 for complete in box with the manual. The old Ninja Turtles games are very high in price if you can find them in stores that sell them. The original NES game and the Game Boy games are the only exceptions.

[Sumac]

I've bought myself brand new brand new SNES in 2001 on a radiomarket for quite a hefty price and then some used carts from people my parents knew and the same radiomarket.

In retrospect, I should have bought myself PC or PS2...
The possibilities of having PC (and maybe even Internet) back in 2001 at home...

[Andrew NDB]

I've bought myself brand new brand new SNES in 2001 on a radiomarket for quite a hefty price and then some used carts from people my parents knew and the same radiomarket.

In retrospect, I should have bought myself PC or PS2...
The possibilities of having PC (and maybe even Internet) back in 2001 at home...

Yeah, in 2001 you could've played entire SNES library on your PC just fine. I was.

[CyberCubed]

I still have all my old carts from NES/SNES. I know I can sell them and make some money and still play the games elsewhere...but I dunno. There's some sentimental value here.

A lot of these games I've literally owned since I was 5-8 years old. I still have them after all this time. Parting with something I've had since I was 5 is kinda hard.

[Leo656]

I've spent way too much time and money and effort over my lifetime to acquire the stuff to ever get rid of it, including safeguarding all of it through several moves. I'm good.

Space is a bitch but it is what it is.

[Prowler]

My brother and I also never really sold most of our old games either. I do notice he seems to have gotten rid of his N64 some years ago however. Not sure if he sold it or loaned it to someone who never gave it back to him. That's why I'm a selfish prick who never lends anything to anyone.

[Sumac]

Yeah, in 2001 you could've played entire SNES library on your PC just fine. I was.
Yup, I know. Now. :lol:
If I knew what emulators were back than, it would have been other history - complete access to NES, Sega Genesis and SNES libraries...:ohwell:

[Autbot_Benz]

Box Art for the Physical Version

https://i.imgur.com/G7oITJd.jpg

[Sumac]

It looks seriously unfinished.

Either they need to put some stuff behind title or just remake cover from scratch.

[oldmanwinters]

just remake cover from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/MbfLuKsl.jpg (https://imgur.com/MbfLuKs)

EDIT: Surprisingly, these Switch cover preview uses slightly different images/crops:
http://i.imgur.com/9tAGl2Sl.jpg (https://imgur.com/9tAGl2S)
http://i.imgur.com/gkTfLdKl.jpg (https://imgur.com/gkTfLdK)

[Andrew NDB]

Box Art for the Physical Version

https://i.imgur.com/G7oITJd.jpg

It's really baffling that there's a PS5 specific version of this game. There is no reason in the world for that. There isn't 1 thing in this collection of ancient ROMs that would utilize anything the PS5 has that the PS4 does not (or even a PS1, for that matter), and PS5 plays PS4 games obviously.

[oldmanwinters]

It's really baffling that there's a PS5 specific version of this game. There is no reason in the world for that. There isn't 1 thing in this collection of ancient ROMs that would utilize anything the PS5 has that the PS4 does not (or even a PS1, for that matter), and PS5 plays PS4 games obviously.

I wonder about that sometimes. I not a "Playstation guy" but is it possible that some retail stores might exclusively stock PS5 titles rather than PS4, thus two releases ensure it gets stocked on the brick n' mortar shelves?
Probably should have just added a "PS4 Compatible" notice to it and called it a day.

EDIT:
Here are the direct links to pre-order on Amazon. Each system has its own webpage, rather than just sub-sections within a single listing:
Switch: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09W39YNQV/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
PS4: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09W36WLGC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2X10DPWQ27YJ5/ref=as_li_ss_tl
PS5: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09W3ZFK5Z/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8
Xbox Series X: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09W3PV47F/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

[CyberCubed]

Normally I would buy this for a Nintendo console, plus getting to play these games in handheld mode will be great, but I'm leaning toward PS4.

[lonewarrior20]

so, it comes out new year's eve?

[oldmanwinters]

so, it comes out new year's eve?

Dec 31 is the Amazon standard placeholder date.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm definitely getting this on the Switch. The ability to play these games on the go is too good to pass up plus it's fitting to play these games on it than the other platforms. I'm wondering if the Xbox version will be added to Game Pass eventually.

[Zulithe]

Got the PS5 version, I'm considering the Switch version but haven't decided.

I will also get it on PC once it's up.

[Shark_Blade]

Getting the PS5 version just like I did with Megaman Collections (which is great, I’ve never played the series).
Switch too for portability.

[jignat]

Does anyone know what game art is represented in the bottom right corner of the Switch release?
(shredder in a red color)

Thanks!

[oldmanwinters]

Does anyone know what game art is represented in the bottom right corner of the Switch release?
(shredder in a red color)

Thanks!

That's the Japanese box art for The Hyperstone Heist, known in Japan as "Return of the Shredder." It is quite a remarkable looking piece!

[jignat]

Thank you Oldmanwinters.

I never would have guessed!

[Roseangelo]

Buying for the Switch, possibly both digital and physical. I feel like this is the kinda thing I don't want to hunt for a game cartridge for when I want to play it, and I definitely don't trust this game to not disappear digitally.

[oldmanwinters]

Buying for the Switch, possibly both digital and physical. I feel like this is the kinda thing I don't want to hunt for a game cartridge for when I want to play it, and I definitely don't trust this game to not disappear digitally.

The logic here is sound! I would wait on a big digital sale assuming you own the physical version. Konami sometimes discounts their other anniversary collections to $5 on the eshop.

[CyberCubed]

I mean isn't this a regular retail game and not one of those "limited run" carts/discs? There's no reason to assume a physical version will be rare on either Switch or PS4/Xbox.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder if the codes will work on this collection too.

[Leo656]

I would expect that they would. But given the Save states and Rewind function I don't see how it would be absolutely necessary. It would be preferable that they still work, though, yeah. Pretty sure they will.

[CyberCubed]

Codes are the only way to get Rat King and Karai playable in Tournament Fighters. There's no way to unlock them otherwise, back then you got secret characters only by entering a code and they didn't stay unlocked either. So every time you turn off the game you would have to use the code again to get them on the character select screen.

[TigerClaw]

Codes are the only way to get Rat King and Karai playable in Tournament Fighters. There's no way to unlock them otherwise, back then you got secret characters only by entering a code and they didn't stay unlocked either. So every time you turn off the game you would have to use the code again to get them on the character select screen.
Good thing it will have save states, So once you enter the codes, You won't have to do it again.

[Leo656]

I'd completely forgotten about that code to play as the Bosses since I never bothered with it. But huh, yeah, that was a thing. Can't see them taking that out. So if that one works the rest probably will. I wouldn't sweat it.

Still kind of blows my mind this is even a thing. This is one of those "Man, it'd be great if they ever did This but they'll never do That" kinda things. I swear we used to talk about this as kids, even. I remember when Super Mario All-Stars became a thing, a bunch of us kids would sit around the lunch table talking about what other games would make for an awesome collection. I remember the first couple Zeldas were what dominated that conversation at that specific time, but I'm pretty sure we probably talked about how cool This Exact Collection would be as well.

I'm a little more excited than I'm letting on. As a rule I don't gush. But this really is pretty awesome.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah I owned the SNES Tournament Fighters since I was a kid and I had no idea until I was like 18-20 that you could even play as Karai or Rat King. I assumed it was some Gameshark thing and not a legitimate code to unlock the characters.

They're fully playable and it's programmed into the game. It's mind blowing since I owned the game for a decade and never even knew you could play as them for real.

[Shark_Blade]

Codes are the only way to get Rat King and Karai playable in Tournament Fighters. There's no way to unlock them otherwise, back then you got secret characters only by entering a code and they didn't stay unlocked either. So every time you turn off the game you would have to use the code again to get them on the character select screen.

Isn’t it weird that there’s no cheat codes in gaming today. They’re literally extinct, all we have are just dlcs for extra stuff and characters. Oh it’s not weird, they only just want more money.

[CyberCubed]

Cheat codes were mostly because older games were very difficult and it was too hard for a lot of people to win without extra lives. And since NES games had no saving, of course you needed level skip codes if you didn't want to replay the whole game again after you turned it off.

Most SNES games and onward had saves and games generally got "easier" for the most part, even though codes still existed through that and the N64/PS1 days. Even back then codes weren't that important anymore even though most games still had them.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Preordered the physical version this week! I'm hoping both the digital/physical gets released on the same day, but time will tell.

Either way, very excited.

[AquaParade]

I pre-ordered a physical version and it's the first time I've done that since Metal Gear Solid V.

Nice to finally be getting some good TMNT games after two decades of shovel-ware. About time. Hopefully the sales will lead to a more ambitious TMNT game.

[MattOnWheels]

I pre-ordered a physical version and it's the first time I've done that since Metal Gear Solid V.

Nice to finally be getting some good TMNT games after two decades of shovel-ware. About time. Hopefully the sales will lead to a more ambitious TMNT game.Is Shredder's Revenge not ambitious? It seems like it's going to have a lot of effort put in.

[Andrew NDB]

Is Shredder's Revenge not ambitious? It seems like it's going to have a lot of effort put in.

No. Not ambitious. If this was 1993 and we thought about another Final Fight clone of the Konami TMNT "saga" that might add April to the mix... sure. That might have made the cover of Gamepro or EGM. That would have made waves. Now, in 2022 finally doing that, with a handful of other little things? No. Absolutely no. Ambition doesn't enter into that.

A true 2022 reimagining of the kind of... Final Fight/1993ish arcade two button mashing experience.... I mean, it's possible. Bringing that tactile experience but making it modern... it could have been done. Maybe like 2.5D gameplay at 4K with 3D models, rotating camera, tons of interactivity, RPG elements of gaining stats, this or that. This isn't that. This is just retro for retro's sake for old ass men. With some whistles.

Which isn't to say it's poo. It looks super sickly presented and I'm happy people are happy. Hell, I'm even going to buy it, if only to play you f***ers. And maybe I'll be surprised. If multi-player is strong and stays strong I may eat crow yet. We'll see.

[AquaParade]

Is Shredder's Revenge not ambitious? It seems like it's going to have a lot of effort put in.

Hard for me to think of a side-scroller as ambitious anymore but maybe I’ll be proven wrong, if they really go above and beyond.

[Turo602]

For an indie studio, I guess it could be considered ambitious. It was revealed a year ago and it still has no release date. This won't be a massive game or anything, but it's definitely taking a lot of work. I don't think they originally intended to have April and Splinter as playable characters and who knows if they're adding more. So I guess in that regard, it is ambitious.

But it's definitely not the big triple A experience people have been craving since Batman: Arkham Asylum. A turtles game would have to be pretty big if they were to give it the Batman treatment though. Maybe something like Suicide Squad since that has 4-player co-op which a Ninja Turtles game should have. But then that runs the risk of becoming a shallow beat 'em up since anything deeper that also accommodates 4 players would be far more complex than anyone would be willing to make.

Though, I guess The Last Ronin would probably lend itself well as a single player TMNT experience so that they could focus on making you "feel like a Ninja Turtle" without compromising any of the mechanics and cinematic moments by adding 3 extra players who just want to beat up bad guys.

[oldmanwinters]

No. Not ambitious. If this was 1993 and we thought about another Final Fight clone of the Konami TMNT "saga" that might add April to the mix... sure.

A game made entirely of hand-drawn sprite art and backgrounds is ambitious in my mind. I don't care what year it is. RESPECT the art.

[AquaParade]

True. I’m not trying to downplay the hard work that goes into this game. But in scope, it’s smaller than what it could be. Just the nature of the genre.

[Sumac]

True. I’m not trying to downplay the hard work that goes into this game. But in scope, it’s smaller than what it could be. Just the nature of the genre.
I mean, its not AAA title, but the amount of animations for all characters makes this project rather ambitious for modern day and age.

And some 2D games might cost bigger than 3D - like King of Fighters 13 nearly bankrupted its company, because, 2D sprites demanded so much work.

[AquaParade]

I mean, its not AAA title, but the amount of animations for all characters makes this project rather ambitious for modern day and age.

And some 2D games might cost bigger than 3D - like King of Fighters 13 nearly bankrupted its company, because, 2D sprites demanded so much work.

I think it's fair to say the production and development is ambitious, but the scope of the game is not. At least, relative to AAA titles.

I don't want to downplay the hard work that goes into making all those gorgeous sprites.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

A game made entirely of hand-drawn sprite art and backgrounds is ambitious in my mind. I don't care what year it is. RESPECT the art.
I do get that people probably mean that the game isn't necessarily breaking new ground, but ya, hand-drawn sprites are definitely way, waaay more work than using 3D models. Despite the fact that it's so much more work, though, it's unfortunately very rarely respected. The only recent-ish hand-drawn stuff that I know that's gotten acclaim of any kind for its graphics is, off the top of my head, Dragon's Crown and Cuphead.

[Leo656]

Dragon's Crown was awesome. I gotta get back into that, I loved that game.

[MattOnWheels]

I think it's fair to say the production and development is ambitious, but the scope of the game is not. At least, relative to AAA titles.

I don't want to downplay the hard work that goes into making all those gorgeous sprites.Well, the thing is, if they increased the scope--made it full 3D etc--it would thereby defeat the purpose of what it's looking to be: a love letter to the old TMNT game style. TIT Re-Shelled tried to graphically modernize the experience, and it ended up losing half of the charm as a result. By keeping the aesthetic accurate to that era, they've shown the initiative to create something astounding in scope via being the true successor to the legacy of those games....IF they make it a full, content-packed outing! Fortunately, it looks like this is a team that gets the importance of delivering on that. At least thus far. Here's hoping! :)

[Leo656]

Add "Re-Shelled" to the list of "Things I'm Gonna Get Called Names Over For Not Hating As Much As I'm Supposed To." It was "fine". I still mess with it. But I still prefer the SNES version because JESUS that game is way too short and without the extra levels it's just unforgivable.

[AquaParade]

Did they announce a collector’s edition would be coming? Usually those are pretty crap but I’m kind of curious about this one.

[Andrew NDB]

Add "Re-Shelled" to the list of "Things I'm Gonna Get Called Names Over For Not Hating As Much As I'm Supposed To." It was "fine". I still mess with it. But I still prefer the SNES version because JESUS that game is way too short and without the extra levels it's just unforgivable.

Not unforgivable. When I was a kid this was an arcade machine everywhere. Like in pizza parlors or roller skating rinks. As in something to play for a little bit while the small kids were doing their thing while you were biding your time waiting to get back out there skating because you're 12 and not 5. Put a couple quarters in from mom's purse if you're lucky and then maybe you say "hey, take over" to the kid next to you because it's time to hit the rink again and get back to reality.

Again, it's always seemed stupid to me to epitomize this as some kind of awesome End All Be All of TMNT gaming. It was a button mashing smiling fun thing to do for a few minutes. Great memories, but it wasn't more. Vastly stupider to treat this collection today as some kind of modern game gift in 2022 equivalent to any of the major games that really have been innovative over the past two decades. You wanted a couple more levels to make it matter, like the SNES version? It only hurts what it was originally intended to be and what it made money as.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Reshelled was a fine game, just a lackluster remake.

[AquaParade]

Not unforgivable. When I was a kid this was an arcade machine everywhere. Like in pizza parlors or roller skating rinks. As in something to play for a little bit while the small kids were doing their thing while you were biding your time waiting to get back out there skating because you're 12 and not 5. Put a couple quarters in from mom's purse if you're lucky and then maybe you say "hey, take over" to the kid next to you because it's time to hit the rink again and get back to reality.

Again, it's always seemed stupid to me to epitomize this as some kind of awesome End All Be All of TMNT gaming. It was a button mashing smiling fun thing to do for a few minutes. Great memories, but it wasn't more. Vastly stupider to treat this collection today as some kind of modern game gift in 2022 equivalent to any of the major games that really have been innovative over the past two decades. You wanted a couple more levels to make it matter, like the SNES version? It only hurts what it was originally intended to be and what it made money as.

I don’t think they are that mind blowing either. I think much of the fanfare comes from nostalgia and love for the brand from people in our generation.

But they are good games. They are polished, sound in their design, waste little of your time, and they are fun with friends. They feel good to play. So you combine that with nostalgia, love for the brand, and a lack of worthy successors over 20 years, and you get a lot of excitement.

It speaks to the brands popularity. I know there has been some discussion here that the brand is dead in the water, but releases like this are exactly why I don’t think so. This made a pretty big splash in the gaming world when it was announced, for a retro collection. People love this brand but are pretty starved for good content.
There has been so many poor tmnt games, despite the strong desire for tmnt content, that when something pretty decent comes around for older fans, it blows up. See: The Last Robin & Neca figures.

[Sumac]

It only hurts what it was originally intended to be and what it made money as.
Eh? TiT was a good game, with amazing graphics and music. Gameplay was simple, yes, but who cares, when it was fun?

[MattOnWheels]

You can say what you will about how they stack next to other beat em ups, but the turtles games in this collection were staples of their respective consoles for the most part. Even TMNT 1, despite being now remembered mostly for it's confusion and frustrating nature, is part of NES legend for that reason. It's one of the more talked about games in the library when it comes to difficulty, and as far as the Konami games, most younger gamers who have sat down and done retrospectives on them have enjoyed them quite a lot (I know, because I've been watching a few myself in the past couple days.) They even applaud how the home console versions actually have more content than the arcade, and they usually point to Turtles In Time on the SNES as being the most fun. Further, It's usually said that TIT is one of the great SNES entries, and that's saying something with the quality of that library.

Now, just to prove im not biased here: The same unfortunately isn't usually said for Hyperstone Heist. Most seem to contend that it doesn't quite measure up to TIT, and that some of it feels rushed.

On the whole though, most people regard the majority of these games as must-play selections, and for me personally? as an 11-to-12 year old kid in the early 2000's that was born too late to catch the first generation of Turtlemania, TMNT II and III on the NES were utterly addicting and played a huge factor in my becoming a fan for life from the moment I started playing. I talked about it in little more detail here:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1924777&postcount=37

Without these games, who knows if I'd be the fan I am today. They're awesome and I for one am glad we can play them all in one place with some modern tweaks. :)

[AquaParade]

I think TF for SNES is actually quite good. It essentially plays like Street Fighter 2, looks gorgeous, has a kickass soundtrack, and features deep cut fan favorite characters. Awesome game.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Further, It's usually said that TIT is one of the great SNES entries, and that's saying something with the quality of that library.

Now, just to prove im not biased here: The same unfortunately isn't usually said for Hyperstone Heist. Most seem to contend that it doesn't quite measure up to TIT, and that some of it feels rushed.

This more or less echoes how I feel, interestingly. Turtles in Time for SNES, despite lacking four player and having "lesser" graphics and sound, I always found to be superior to the arcade version. But at the same time, while there's aspects of Hyperstone Heist that I love, I find it to be the worst iteration of these three, and it can be a bit of a slog with how much each level seems to drag on for (and it has the fewest amount of bosses, even reusing that small handful of bosses for a boss rush later).

[CyberCubed]

Hyperstone Heist also re-uses the human Baxter fight from the NES TMNT 2, instead of the mutated fly fight. But they of course updated the graphics from 8-bit to 16-bit. That always confused me when I was younger, I asked myself when did Baxter become human again? :lol:

Like I don't know why they didn't use the fly-Baxter from the same NES game instead for Hyperstone Heist.

[oldmanwinters]

Hyperstone Heist also re-uses the human Baxter fight from the NES TMNT 2, instead of the mutated fly fight. But they of course updated the graphics from 8-bit to 16-bit. That always confused me when I was younger, I asked myself when did Baxter become human again? :lol:

Like I don't know why they didn't use the fly-Baxter from the same NES game instead for Hyperstone Heist.

It was either his brother Barney or else the TiT storyline upset the timeline and started pulling stuff across time, space, and the multiverse.

[Sumac]

Hyperstone Heist also re-uses the human Baxter fight from the NES TMNT 2, instead of the mutated fly fight. But they of course updated the graphics from 8-bit to 16-bit.
Wut?
I0GedkBJ3ik
Human Baxter was not exclusive to the NES. Fly Baxter was, as he replaced simultaneous battle with Bebop and Rocksteady, which NES won't be able to handle.

[sdp]

How would you guys improve Hyper Stone Heist? It's a good gamt but falls in the Shadows of TiT.

For me taking into consideration that it'd still be rushed and without much of a budget so I won't go crazy with ideas.

Boss rush mode would've had bosses from the arcade that weren't already used in the game, so at least it feels like you're fighting something new to this game, Slash, mud man, etc, even if they're the same exact enemies.

I'd also one other level mixing up two arcade levels like the other levels are, perhaps parts od the first level of the arcade game only it's not burning this time and some other with Bebop being the Boss. It's just triggers me to have Rocksteady without Bebop in a game.

[CyberCubed]

Wut?
I0GedkBJ3ik
Human Baxter was not exclusive to the NES. Fly Baxter was, as he replaced simultaneous battle with Bebop and Rocksteady, which NES won't be able to handle.

I'm talking about why Hyperstone Heist used the human Baxter boss fight in the game instead of simply using the Baxter-fly boss fight from TMNT 2 instead.

[CyberCubed]

How would you guys improve Hyper Stone Heist? It's a good gamt but falls in the Shadows of TiT.

For me taking into consideration that it'd still be rushed and without much of a budget so I won't go crazy with ideas.

Boss rush mode would've had bosses from the arcade that weren't already used in the game, so at least it feels like you're fighting something new to this game, Slash, mud man, etc, even if they're the same exact enemies.

I'd also one other level mixing up two arcade levels like the other levels are, perhaps parts od the first level of the arcade game only it's not burning this time and some other with Bebop being the Boss. It's just triggers me to have Rocksteady without Bebop in a game.

Hyperstone Heist felt like a weird condensed port of Turtles in Time with a little of TMNT II mixed in with it. They obviously wanted a TMNT game on Sega Genesis but didn't want to make a game from scratch so they re-used a lot of assets from Turtles in Time.

Obviously Bebop should have been in there too but otherwise I'm not sure what else they could have done. It was just meant to be a quick game out on Sega Genesis, they did well enough adding Tatsu and some unique levels.

[oldmanwinters]

Hyperstone Heist felt like a weird condensed port of Turtles in Time with a little of TMNT II mixed in with it. They obviously wanted a TMNT game on Sega Genesis but didn't want to make a game from scratch so they re-used a lot of assets from Turtles in Time.

Obviously Bebop should have been in there too but otherwise I'm not sure what else they could have done. It was just meant to be a quick game out on Sega Genesis, they did well enough adding Tatsu and some unique levels.

I thought the Sega Rocksteady fight should have been R&B simultaneous.

[Sumac]

I'm talking about why Hyperstone Heist used the human Baxter boss fight in the game instead of simply using the Baxter-fly boss fight from TMNT 2 instead.
Wut x2?
Hyperstone Heist also re-uses the human Baxter fight from the NES TMNT 2, instead of the mutated fly fight. But they of course updated the graphics from 8-bit to 16-bit.
I chalk it up to a typo.

They could re-use Baxter fight from TiT.

How would you guys improve Hyper Stone Heist? It's a good gamt but falls in the Shadows of TiT.
Ideally: more levels and more bosses.
As it is now, I don't think anything can be done, since the main problem with the game is that its short, only 4 levels long (+1 level, which reuses bosses, Baxter aside).

[CyberCubed]

They should of put this Baxter boss in Hyperstone Heist:

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Just upgrade to 16-bit graphics.

[tmnt182]

So still no release date info for either of the new releases?

[oldmanwinters]

So still no release date info for either of the new releases?

I'd have to say April 25 would be the perfect date.

[Mario500]

I'd have to say April 25 would be the perfect date.

(wonders about why this "date")