Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at Oscars

[Andrew NDB]

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Obviously everyone is talking about "should he have" or not. But.

This was a work, right? Kind of had to been, no?

[ZariusTwo]

The behind the scene fan cam stuff indicate Will was pretty broken up about it and had to be comforted

[Turo602]

Will Smith looked like he was having a good time until his bitch wife clutched his nuts or something and made him fake cry like he did on the Fresh Prince.

Edit: Also, here's the full uncensored version.

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[AquaParade]

Bruh, you need to get your “bullcrap radar” checked. This was def real.

[Wildcat]

I never watch the Oscars and just noticed this happened. Someone on BluRay is calling it a publicity stunt but I think it’s real.

Chris Rock’s joke was insensitive but not sure he knew she has a medical condition. I didn’t know until now and apparently he poked fun at her before. I’m just reading all this right now. I’m not a big Jada Pickett fan or anything.

No I would not have hit him. This is definitely gonna overshadow him winning for the first time. He should have just let it go. The audience groaning at his joke was enough.

I don’t have any problem with Chris Rock either. He’s certainly not the most “offensive” comic.

[Prowler]

Heard of this earlier this morning. I never watch the Oscars because I don't care about an academy that gives Titanic a billion Oscars.

Anyway, I watched the video and Will Smith actually laughs at the joke at first... but then jumps out of his seat and you know the rest. So was he slow at processing the joke or did his wife tell him to do something about it? Either way, Will Smith ooked and sounded pissed at the end where he kept yelling at Chris Rock to keep his wife's name out of his mouth.

I don't think Chris Rock went that far really. You're expected to hear a comedian joke about you at such events when you're famous. Ricky Gervais said some worst things some years ago where he even joked about Mel Gibsons alcoholism and did you see anyone slapping him? No.

It's fine if you don't like someone joking about your wife, but that doesn't give you the right to climb on stage and assault them. How come security neither stopped Will Smith or escorted him out of the building?

As for being "fake", I'd believe that if all Will Smith did Was slap Chris Rock. But no, he yelled at him from his seat afterwards and looked visibly pissed off. Sounded very genuine. And Will Smith is nowhere near a good enough actor to pull such a public stunt off that naturally.

[Turo602]

His anger towards Chris Rock is very manufactured. Dude was laughing and about to clap. Not saying this was staged, though who really knows. But he very clearly had no problem with the joke until Pinhead told him to and blew up on command at the expense of his career and reputation which is what probably made him even more emotional.

[Sumac]

Most likely real.
I can understand why Smith did it, but I feel it was not place and time for that.

[oldmanwinters]

It became meme legend almost instantly.

[ChosenOne]

Black on black violence, just another Sunday in LA.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean the issue isn't keeping Will's wife out of Chris Rock's mouth, it's him keeping other guys out of his wife's mouth.

The whole thing looked like a beta flex. Will never showed that much bravery against the guy boning his wife.

[mrmaczaps]

Weak b!tch slap from a weak @ss beta male... to make headlines.

[IMJ]

That was 100% legit and not "ak-ting".

[Sumac]

I mean the issue isn't keeping Will's wife out of Chris Rock's mouth, it's him keeping other guys out of his wife's mouth.

The whole thing looked like a beta flex. Will never showed that much bravery against the guy boning his wife.
One thing is questioning their lifestyle (which I think is dumb, but whatever), another insulting his wife over sickness. This is really a low blow.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know, though, guys. When I first saw this my immediately reaction was, "Oh this has to be fake." Then I watched more, saw the whole clip, watched faces closely and so on and then I was 100% "nope, it's totally real." But the more I look at it and think about it the more I find I've slipped back into, "Staged."

It seems like something that would come out of Rock's mind, and he'd know how it'd be received. Will signs on, Jada's like "whatever." Will comes out looking like an awesome husband, Rock becomes relevant for two minutes again (maybe can even play the victim card but I doubt he will), and the Oscars get some attention.

Now, were the Oscars people in on it, too? Eh. No, I don't think?

[ChosenOne]

The one thing that makes me think it's staged (which I otherwise don't) is the fact that Rock, having just mocked the man's wife, stands there perfectly still on the stage without even the slightest hint of apprehension or taking a single step back while Smith gets up and goes all the way over to him with an intent that clearly didn't involve bringing him cotton candy and a friendly hug. I know I'd be sweating bullets if I were in his shoes, and yet he wasn't startled at all.

[AquaParade]

Honesty man, I worry about your critical thinking skills sometimes. You think this is fake, you think Nick planned for Rise of TMNT to fail, you were convinced Affleck was Reeve’s Batman.

I mean, I’m not trying to take you to task for your beliefs about a tmnt cartoon, but a lot of this **** seems so obvious and you are constantly posting those rage-clickbait articles that are meant to stir up controversy and conspiracies where there are none. It just seems like a pattern.

So just overall, idk man, I feel like you got question some of these things a little more. Not trying to be a dick, but idk how to say it any lighter. You seem more intelligent than all this stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

you think Nick planned for Rise of TMNT to fail,

Oh, we're doing this again. No, once more you're putting words in my mouth. I said that it was conceivable that "Rise" was thrown out there as a cheap thing (because it was a cheap thing) that could fail or succeed in between "real" TMNT cartoons akin to the 2012 or 4Kids shows. Certainly the hope was that it would succeed. You don't exactly see them trying to save it.

you were convinced Affleck was Reeve’s Batman

We know he was because Reeves told us he was. "That's my guy." And even recently there's stuff about Damon talking Affleck into "hanging up the cape" (as in, not being shown the door by Reeves) and new concept art surfacing.

[1987]

clearly it was staged. they are both actors, in a room full of actors. seems more like a ccp publicity stunt to give comedians the cancel culture treatment. their message “don’t make bigoted jokes or else we’re gonna walk up and slap you!” they just wanna scare comedians into not hurting people’s feelings, i guess?

weird they would make it black on black though. but the message is clear, you are not allowed to offend anybody, no more bigoted jokes or else the cancel culture mob will come for you. freedom of speech is dead.

[Coola Yagami]

One thing is questioning their lifestyle (which I think is dumb, but whatever), another insulting his wife over sickness. This is really a low blow.

Based on Will's crying their arrangement is something he wants no part in but is too chicken-**** to speak up on it. He's too much of a puss to leave her, if their marriage ends someday it'll be because she leaves him.

[Sumac]

And here's conspiracy theory.

[1987]

it’s just as staged as covid-19 scamdemic. they want to create the illusion that it was real, not scripted. the point was to warn other comedians not to make bigoted jokes and offend people, or else they will get beat down by cancel culture mob for being so mean and excercising freedom of speech. thats the way ccp commies likes it, uh-huh uh-huh

[Andrew NDB]

the point was to warn other comedians not to make bigoted jokes and offend people

Eh, I don't know. Maybe that'd be a desirable side effect for a lot of people, but I don't imagine it would be a desirable side effect for Rock (Rock is very much not a part of comedians getting cancelled). And if this came from anybody, it came from him.

"But Will Smith crying!", etc.. Please. That man can cry on the drop of a dime. It's what he's good at.

[AquaParade]

Will Smith was all over the place during his acceptance speech. Felt like he was trying to cover every angle of his outburst from implying it was method acting ("king Richard was a defender of his family!" or whatever) to fishing for as many laughs as possible, in order to ensure the audience would be on his side.

It seemed like he left a little pause after saying "sometimes you do crazy things for love", in order to let some applause through, but none did, so he mentioned his mom knitting at home, for more laughs. Pretty bizarre night.

[ZariusTwo]

And here's conspiracy theory.

I dunno man, the first couple of lyrics from 'Black Suits Comin'' come across like predictive programming :P

[Coola Yagami]

"But Will Smith crying!", etc.. Please. That man can cry on the drop of a dime. It's what he's good at.

IDK man, that interview when his wife was talking about her getting it from elsewhere, those tears looked real to me.

Too bad it was the Oscars and not like a roast or something. I woulda been like 'Will Smith ladies and gentlemen. You can **** his wife, just don't **** with his wife."

[Andrew NDB]

IDK man, that interview when his wife was talking about her getting it from elsewhere, those tears looked real to me.

You got a link?

[Coola Yagami]

You got a link?

That happened forever ago. I found one that's a breakdown of everything and how it led to that event which reached meme-status.

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[joe-eyeball]

Coola is right on point with this! Will is trapped in a crap marriage and he has no power or say in it. He had no intention of doing anything after that joke but then he likely saw his wife’s disappointment and disgust in him continuing to be a weak and pathetic man! So he got up and did what he did to either prove her wrong in a completely idiotic way, or embarrass her, or a little bit of both. I do not believe for a minute this was staged. It was more than likely a guy that just reached a bit of a breaking point on his bad marriage!

[Andrew NDB]

Coola is right on point with this! Will is trapped in a crap marriage and he has no power or say in it. He had no intention of doing anything after that joke but then he likely saw his wife’s disappointment and disgust in him continuing to be a weak and pathetic man! So he got up and did what he did to either prove her wrong in a completely idiotic way, or embarrass her, or a little bit of both.

It could very well be that simple. I'm not saying it isn't.

[Coola Yagami]

The fact the topic is even called Will Smith SLAPS Chris Rock rather than PUNCHED Chris Rock shows how much of a little bitch Will was. Plus he was like 'take my wife's name out of your mouth' in his best 'trying hard not to cry' voice. Jada completely emasculated him during their marriage.

From what I understand, Will doesn't believe in divorce, so he probably never will, and if a divorce ever happens, Jada seems cold enough to take him for everything he's worth.... and still be heralded as stunning and brave.

[Andrew NDB]

The fact the topic is even called Will Smith SLAPS Chris Rock rather than PUNCHED Chris Rock shows how much of a little bitch Will was. Plus he was like 'take my wife's name out of your mouth' in his best 'trying hard not to cry' voice. Jada completely emasculated him during their marriage.

From what I understand, Will doesn't believe in divorce, so he probably never will, and if a divorce ever happens, Jada seems cold enough to take him for everything he's worth.... and still be heralded as stunning and brave.

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[Anarchistguy]

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That would be an understatement

[AquaParade]

I really don't care to take a side, but what stands out to me is I'm seeing a lot of opinions that essentially say it's never okay to hit someone, no matter what they say and I'm not sure I agree.

It's not that I condone violence - not at all, it's just that I am not of the belief that physical assault is always more harmful than verbal assault. So, while I don't condone violence, I also don't condone taunting and teasing people for things that are out of their control. I mean, you can call any insult a "joke", so "joke" at your own risk, I guess.

[IMJ]

I think that Jada is probably a manipulative narccisist and Will is just a guy that wants to have his family so badly in life that he's getting his @$$ handed to him left and right.

Lots of smoke in the Smith household - enough that there is a family fire and he's trying to smile through it and be a family man.

[Coola Yagami]

I really don't care to take a side, but what stands out to me is I'm seeing a lot of opinions that essentially say it's never okay to hit someone, no matter what they say and I'm not sure I agree.

It's not that I condone violence - not at all, it's just that I am not of the belief that physical assault is always more harmful than verbal assault. So, while I don't condone violence, I also don't condone taunting and teasing people for things that are out of their control. I mean, you can call any insult a "joke", so "joke" at your own risk, I guess.

He had no real choice. I mean Chris insulted August's woman, he had to do something.

[Andrew NDB]

I think that Jada is probably a manipulative narccisist and Will is just a guy that wants to have his family so badly in life that he's getting his @$$ handed to him left and right.

Lots of smoke in the Smith household - enough that there is a family fire and he's trying to smile through it and be a family man.

And wasn't it Jada pushing the Theybies thing with the kids? What a mess.

I mean, I don't doubt there is trouble in paradise. But these are also actors who are in no way above doing some kind of performance art.

[Mayhem]

Was it staged? No. Did Will have any intention of doing it until Jada basically bitchslapped him with dagger gaze? Probably not. He seemed to be chuckling at the joke in the shot immediately prior.

I’m surprised more than a few people here commented they didn’t know she had the condition, I heard about it a couple of years ago. She’s stupidly overly sensitive about the condition though. Yes losing your hair is crap, but there’s worse things. There are two well known British athletes with alopecia, Duncan Goodhew and Joanna Rowsell, and both have been incredibly accepting of it, and in Goodhew’s case, completely self deprecating about it. It arguably added to his appeal and made him stand out. But maybe that’s the difference, bald men are more accepted than bald women. But Rowsell has been known to make jokes about her condition too, she did after she won gold at London 2012 (and the gold post box in her honour is literally a few hundred yards from where I live).

Rock’s joke was pretty light in the scheme of things but she’s proved she has no humour at all. If everyone took umbrage to jokes like that when Gervais was doing the GG, he’d been broken in several places.

[Coola Yagami]

Will slaps while August claps.

[IndigoErth]

She’s stupidly overly sensitive about the condition though.

But maybe that’s the difference, bald men are more accepted than bald women.
Yeah... I don't know how most men would accept it, but hair is quite tied to your identity as a woman, and I know esp for black women. I have a hard enough time accepting the color of mine fading with age, if I had a condition that caused it to just all fall out I'd be devastated and feel quite betrayed by it. Making a joke about that and in front of the nation/world is a rather personal low blow. Joking about it yourself is one thing, but someone else doing so is way, way too personal.

Whether Jada gave Will a death glare or it simply took him a moment for the "joke" to register, can't even guess (since I know next to nothing about her or what's up with them)... but can't blame him for trying to defend her, no matter the personal situation of their relationship, she's still the mother of his kids who don't need to see that left unanswered. Though a scathing public comment afterward might have been a better choice...?



I stopped giving a damn about award shows a long, long time ago.. is this stuff what I've been missing? lol

[Coola Yagami]

but can't blame him for trying to defend her, no matter




I mean he had to defend the honor of August's woman after all.

[Leo656]

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too." :lol:

Looks pretty legit to me, but as others have pointed out, his whole family is a mess and his wife has pretty much openly emasculated him on TV numerous times so it shouldn't really be a shock that the guy's presently wound up really tight. No matter what face he puts on for the public, he knows for a fact that people are constantly judging him for being a cuckolded husband and a father to two kids who - let's be kind and polite - could be called "train wrecks" although to do so would be impolite to actual train wrecks.

I can totally believe that he got caught up in the moment and lost it. I can also totally believe Jada giving him a "nudge" to "handle this guy" because she definitely seems the type and she clearly was not amused.

It's not the kind of move that will give Will any respect, though; so long as he's with her, and no matter what they claim in public about their relationship, the only way anyone will ever respect him is if he mans up and leaves her. Any "relationship" where one person (or BOTH people for that matter) are screwing around is not "a relationship". People can say "it's their own business" all they want to, but it's wrong, it's shameful, it sets a bad example, these "arrangements" NEVER last and always end poorly, and it's a completely disastrous environment to raise kids in (and it speak strongly to why their kids are such a mess; look at the example they've been raised with). You start with this "Even though we have kids together we should still be allowed to f*ck other people" sh*t, add in a sprinkling of "I'd rather be a friend than a parent," and next thing you know your son is wearing dresses and constantly doing drugs while your daughter goes on your talk show talking about how she can't wait to be a huge unrepentant slut.

So I can see why the guy lost his cool, especially since he probably had a couple of drinks in him by that point given the nature of the festivities. But bottom line, if he'd left Jada when she came out unrepentantly talking about having cheated on him, then none of this happens. Stuff like this - especially when he laughs at the joke until she tells him to go defend her - only reinforces the idea that She's The Boss and he's just a cuck.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan or defender of Chris Rock; I don't think the joke was that funny at all but I also don't think it was very offensive. And I do agree with the old comedian adage of "Never make a joke you're not prepared to get slapped in the mouth over," so no sympathy from me there. But Will probably assumed that he'd come off looking like Big Strong Supportive Husband and instead he looks like more of a wimp than ever. A pretty bad miscalculation on his part.

[Coola Yagami]

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too." :lol:



I gotta use that one :lol:

But ya see, this is exactly why men can't show emotion. Once you start crying, you pretty much become a meme and poster boy of beta bitch of the year.

[Coola Yagami]

Case by case scenario for me.

It's almost every case, exceptions are family deaths. Women are quick to say they want sensitive men but are the first to **** all over their men if they emotion. Not all women, mind you, but most. And if the guy's woman doesn't shame him, others will.

[joe-eyeball]

There really is no defense for Smith attacking Rock over a lame joke. Yes it was mildly insensitive but absolutely tame for a comedian on such a grand stage. If Will and more importantly Jada would have just shrugged it off all would have been forgotten 30 Freakin’ seconds later! Then you can approach Rock like an adult behind the scenes to handle the matter and make it extremely clear to never go there again. Instead Will Smith made a fool of himself. I find it ironic that the Oscars have been blasted for being too white and last night two black guys have an altercation and look like fools! Hollywood sucks

[Leo656]

It's almost every case, exceptions are family deaths. Women are quick to say they want sensitive men but are the first to **** all over their men if they emotion. Not all women, mind you, but most. And if the guy's woman doesn't shame him, others will.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Women HATE "sensitive" guys. They don't respect them at all, or at the very least they don't consider them f*ck-worthy. Any "sensitive" guy who openly cries or shows any emotion besides anger (the one "acceptable" male emotion yet also the one women claim to hate/fear the most), their wife/girlfriend is 100% f*cking somebody else, generally a "bad boy" type. Because no matter what women SAY they want or are attracted to, their vaginas are attracted to Strength and not Weakness, and they implicitly see "sensitive" men or men who show any emotion at all as "weak" while men who only get emotional to yell or break things are "strong". Women are genetically predisposed to only want the "strongest" seed inside of them, ergo they reject wimps and softies. Complaining all the while about how men are "insensitive" and "violent", no less.

I've dealt with this firsthand. I was feeling pretty good when I came out of the wellness center for having much better control over my anger, being better able to vocalize what I was feeling, etc. I figured, "My wife is always complaining about my anger, now she'll see that I have a much better handle on my emotions and that will make her happy." Didn't take long at all before she said something to the effect of, "Kinda don't like what a pussy you are now ever since you left that place." :roll: Suffice to say, all emotions except Explosive Rage were once again put back in the bottle and that's where they stay; if that's the guy she expects then that's the guy she's gonna get, since being nice gets you labeled "a pussy".

It was a big topic of discussion during group therapy. Men suffer psychotic breaks and/or commit suicide at numbers that completely dwarf women, and almost all of it comes from the fact that men are expected to never, ever show any emotion besides anger. Even from their women who SAY that isn't what they want. There's only so much anyone can take.

[AquaParade]

I don’t like to generalize because I’ve found exceptions to everything but I agree that there is a lot of truth in that. It’s biological programming, what can you do. People also want what they can’t have, which is why we also pine for people who aren’t instantly wrapped around our finger. One more element is pack mentality - we want who other people want

But yeah, for a man, showing strength is a big part of it. Most women are going to look to you to be the rock. It’s not always an easy job.

It’s not to say you can’t find someone compatible, to whom you can open up to. It’s difficult though. My first two serious relationships in highschool/college both happened to end while I was going through bouts of depression. I had less self control and probably leaked my emotions all over them, which killed any sexual desire they had for me lol.
I mean, probably in both instances, they idolized me for years, before having their perceptions smashed when I entered a moment of weakness.

Guys have things they need to, by and large. I’m not singling women out. And I’m not saying you can’t find someone to open up to. But it’s actually pretty difficult to find someone who you can fully open up to.

[Coola Yagami]

I don’t like to generalize because I’ve found exceptions to everything but I agree that there is a lot of truth in that. It’s biological programming, what can you do. People also want what they can’t have, which is why we also pine for people who aren’t instantly wrapped around our finger. One more element is pack mentality - we want who other people want

But yeah, for a man, showing strength is a big part of it. Most women are going to look to you to be the rock. It’s not always an easy job.

It’s not to say you can’t find someone compatible, to whom you can open up to. It’s difficult though. My first two serious relationships in highschool/college both happened to end while I was going through bouts of depression. I had less self control and probably leaked my emotions all over them, which killed any sexual desire they had for me lol.
I mean, probably in both instances, they idolized me for years, before having their perceptions smashed when I entered a moment of weakness.

Guys have things they need to, by and large. I’m not singling women out. And I’m not saying you can’t find someone to open up to. But it’s actually pretty difficult to find someone who you can fully open up to.

Let's not forget also, once the arguing starts they will use every private, embarrassing, deeply personal thing you confided in them and throw it in your face.

[Leo656]

Yeah, and if you can't open up and be yourself to the person who you spend the most time with and is supposed to know and understand you better than anyone else in the world... that gets pretty soul-crushing.

Women say they want to talk, but it's really one-sided; they just want You to hear Them, they're not interested in your feelings at all. My own is pretty transparent; "We can 'talk' when it's about wanting to f*ck, otherwise I'm not interested." But man, that gets old. Like, I probably would not be on a message board at all if I had someone to "actually" talk to about the stuff I'm thinking and feeling. But I'm "not allowed" to talk because "that's boring", so I just vent to you people instead.

It's not "good" but it's also a 20+ year long relationship. In my experience, not only are relationships not meant to last that long, but I've never met anyone who'd been with a person that long and they didn't hate and resent the living hell out of each other. To topic, Will and Jada have been together forever too so it shouldn't be a secret why they're having problems. The "romantic love" part of any relationship usually dissolves within two years or less, because that stuff is all just chemical. After that, it's just about sex, and even that gets boring after a while. The longest you can really be with a person and actually still be "into them" sincerely is about five years or so; after that, eyes and minds start to wander.

I personally love to generalize, because it saves time and 1% exceptions in no way disprove the "rules" which said generalizations are based on. It's okay to say "All Women Do This" and not "All Women Except Three Or Four Do This" because the exceptions are SO rare they're not even worth acknowledging. People Are The Way They Are, and a lot of that is in their "programming". Sure there are a few individuals who can "override their programming" but again, it's so rare that it's hardly even worth stopping to say, "Well, I mean not EVERY single individual" because that just wastes time. Generalizations become generalizations to begin with because they are "generally" true far more often than not.

So it's okay to say things like "All women cheat (or wish they could)", "All women hate weak men", etc. etc. Because while it may not be true once or twice, it's true the rest of the time so why bother fighting it?

[Leo656]

Let's not forget also, once the arguing starts they will use every private, embarrassing, deeply personal thing you confided in them and throw it in your face.

Hell yeah they do. That's something I was warned about when I was getting ready to go home from the center.

One of the male counselors pulled me aside to talk privately, and was like "I really can't talk to you the way I'm about to, I could get in big trouble for it, but here's the thing... personally, I wouldn't go back to your wife." Now, the idea of going home was one of the main things driving me the whole time, and he knew that. But he was very candid; "I've seen this a million times; when the man gets home, the woman in the situation will use this whole experience against them for the rest of their f*cking LIVES. She's gonna insult you, demean you, put you down, and if you ever speak out of turn, she's gonna remind you that she can ruin your whole life with one phone call and put you right back here, anytime she wants to. I can't tell you what to do - and again, I'm not supposed to pick sides or play favorites or talk about 'how women are' or anything... but that IS how they are, and I can promise you, that's exactly what's gonna happen. Almost every single one of the guys who leave here and go back to their wives end up right back here eventually."

I said I didn't think so, he wished me all the luck, and that's where it ended. I eventually got back home and was brimming with hope and optimism.

It took about 6 WEEKS for every single thing he'd predicted would happen to come true. All that self-improvement, shot to hell and down the drain because you really DO need to cut all ties with the toxic people in your life and start over in a brand new environment, or else those people - and 99% of the time, they're the ones "closest" to you - will do everything they can to keep you beneath and below them.

They're spiteful, petty, and vindictive. That's a Hard Rule. Exceptions? Sure, a few. They tend to be single, though, and not interested in relationships. Because all "relationships" rely on a system of subtle manipulation to maintain on either side and "good" women can't be bothered playing such games. So if a woman isn't a spiteful manipulator by nature, she's probably going to be single forever. That's just the way it is.

I mean, if you really pay attention to human beings... they're not at all complicated.

[Andrew NDB]

I have definitely been with women who anytime you "open up" to them will use whatever you say as silver bullets for the next argument that comes around. And it seems like they couldn't wait to do so, looking back. All of these women seemed to have varying degrees of what I would probably call abandonment issues.

I have also been with women who don't do that at all. Like my current wife.

Also...

https://people.com/movies/oscars-2022-will-smith-apologizes-to-chris-rock-says-embarrassed/

I still don't know, guys. Getting shades of Justin Timberlake here after the Janet Jackson "accident."

[Leo656]

Maybe she doesn't unload on you directly. In my experience, if they don't do it to your face they do it to your/their friends. "Can you BELIEVE he said _____? Jesus Christ." But they're always tearing you down to SOME one.

Like, I know a lot of people do the "I don't check my partner's phone" thing, and that makes sense, pretty sh*tty to spy on people. But some people don't care, and every buddy I've had who ever checked their wife's phone found them saying absolutely scandalous sh*t about them to their friends, especially stuff that was spoken of in confidence. Women love spilling secrets and they LOVE tearing down their men to anyone who'll listen. So I guess the moral of the story is, "Never Tell Your Wife Anything Too Personal" because it IS going to get out.

I never had to snoop on my wife's phone. Every time she gets a new phone, I get the old one, and there's always a glitch with the sim card after we swap them where her old texts still show up on my phone and some of her new ones will keep getting sent to me, too. So I see everything eventually. Sometimes I blow up right away, and sometimes I just wait until a more strategically advantageous time to do so. But it always blows up eventually. "I can't believe you said _____! You're so mean!" "Oh, you mean like when you told ____ about _____ after I told you that in confidence and said not to tell anyone?" "........you weren't supposed to know about that..." "WELL I F*CKING DO." :roll: And then I'm the bad guy for being mad, when she ought to be the bad guy for telling people things she absolutely was not supposed to be telling people. But again... That's How Women Are.

I forget who coined the phrase about "Marriage is just two people who hate each other but don't wanna pay separate rent." But that's how it always ends up. Eventually.

[ChosenOne]

My favorite ones are the people saying "Chris was lucky all the OTHER guys Jada sleeps with didn't run up there and take a swing at him, too." :lol:

But then they'd be up there 'til August.

I have definitely been with women who anytime you "open up" to them will use whatever you say as silver bullets for the next argument that comes around. And it seems like they couldn't wait to do so, looking back.

Wait, you've slept with my mother? D-dad...?

[Leo656]

But then they'd be up there 'til August.


Wakka Wakka. :lol:

It's funny how even some of the women on my Friends list are like "Jada's a disrespectful cheating whore and the only way Will can ever get any respect back is to walk away because this is all just the tip of the iceberg with those two." Even they get it.

Of course, if he walks away then she gets hundreds of millions of dollars, so there's That.

There's really no easy solution to this kind of things though, because people change and rarely for the better. You can sit down with someone at the very start of a relationship and say flat-out, "There can't be any cheating going on," and they'll SAY they don't want that, and maybe they'll even mean it when they say it. But eventually... well, no matter how much you love Corn Pops, having only that for breakfast every day starts to get boring. And "boredom" is the main reason women give for cheating on their men. So no matter who they are in their 20s, a woman in their 30s or 40s simply isn't going to be so inclined to keep their promise to Love and Honor Only You. Because by then, they're bored. And when the woman gets "bored", all bets are off and so are their pants. It's rather inevitable.

[Coola Yagami]

Wakka Wakka. :lol:

It's funny how even some of the women on my Friends list are like "Jada's a disrespectful cheating whore and the only way Will can ever get any respect back is to walk away because this is all just the tip of the iceberg with those two." Even they get it.

Of course, if he walks away then she gets hundreds of millions of dollars, so there's That.

There's really no easy solution to this kind of things though, because people change and rarely for the better. You can sit down with someone at the very start of a relationship and say flat-out, "There can't be any cheating going on," and they'll SAY they don't want that, and maybe they'll even mean it when they say it. But eventually... well, no matter how much you love Corn Pops, having only that for breakfast every day starts to get boring. And "boredom" is the main reason women give for cheating on their men. So no matter who they are in their 20s, a woman in their 30s or 40s simply isn't going to be so inclined to keep their promise to Love and Honor Only You. Because by then, they're bored. And when the woman gets "bored", all bets are off and so are their pants. It's rather inevitable.

You forget the part where it's always your fault.

If you cheat on your wife, it's obviously your fault, but if she cheats on you.... it's also somehow your fault too.

People always say the man needs to man up so the wife doesn't stray.... don't really heard too much about women needing to woman up so their guys don't stray. Men are just expected to put up with whatever a woman dishes out and ask for seconds.

Will Smith went for thirds and a midnight snack afterwards.

[CyberCubed]

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

[Coola Yagami]

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

Yeah, maybe someday you'll actually talk to one.

Your hand will appreciate the time off.

[Leo656]

You forget the part where it's always your fault.

If you cheat on your wife, it's obviously your fault, but if she cheats on you.... it's also somehow your fault too.

People always say the man needs to man up so the wife doesn't stray.... don't really heard too much about women needing to woman up so their guys don't stray. Men are just expected to put up with whatever a woman dishes out and ask for seconds.

Will Smith went for thirds and a midnight snack afterwards.

I mean, you really can't prevent a woman from cheating if she really wants to. Even their therapists tell them nowadays "Just go ahead and do it but don't let your husband find out." That's Standard Operating Procedure. Their friends tell them to do it, their families tell them to do it... only the little voice in their head saying "This Isn't Right" would say otherwise, and not everyone has that little voice to begin with.

In order, it goes "I'm bored of my husband/boyfriend and our routine", "He's not enough of A Real Man and I want some excitement", "I'm no longer attracted to him physically but don't want to upset the stability of our shared life", and those are the most common reasons given, and then it gets into "He's cruel/abusive" and "I found out they cheated and I want revenge" stuff. But the MOST cited reasons - and studies back this up entirely - are some variant of "I'm just plain bored of the person I'm with." And to them, that's A Good Reason.

True story, my wife is the only woman I know personally who's never cheated (yet), and a lot of that comes from the fact she never leaves the house unless I'm with her. Otherwise, I'd be a lot more worried about it, especially once she hit 35 or so and started talking openly about the possibility of it "maybe" happening one day. Once you stop f*cking 'em at least 5 days a week they get sick of you REAL fast.

Every other woman I know well personally (as in family and close friends) has cheated at least once, and their reasoning is always some variant of, "Yeah but what are you gonna do?" Like it's crazy to expect anyone to be faithful, or something.

I mean if everyone is a whore then why do we even have any pretense at all, that's what I don't get.

[Coola Yagami]

Another factor you forget is that nowadays all of that is being celebrated. While someone will cheat no matter what, what stops a lot of them is the social shaming that comes with it, or worried what their parents will say and so forth.

Nowadays it's pretty much 'you go girl, slay queen, go get yours', no matter if she's destroying her family and crushing the heart of possibly the only guy that will ever truly love her, but hey 'go get yours queen'.

[Anarchistguy]

This thread has been an eye opener on the female species. Very informative I shall take notes.

You gotta be kiddin' me...you didn't know any of this???

[Coola Yagami]

You gotta be kiddin' me...you didn't know any of this???

I think it was a few weeks ago that Cubed found out that big bright hot thing in the sky was called the sun.

[IndigoErth]

Will and Jada have a bad marriage and choose to tolerate whatever they've done to wreck it, so Will slapping someone...leads to Jada is the evil empress and example of all women? Come on. Even if she's human garbage... come on.


Just how bad do you choose them if this is the generalized conclusion some of you come to? I mean, if it's family and connected social circles (and few other options) with poor morals, then I guess that wasn't a choice, but still.

Some people, men and women both, may act like stray dogs in heat, but the people I keep around me aren't among them -- weird!

[Leo656]

Mine is currently Right This Minute screaming about filing a phony police report to have me evicted because I supposedly don't say "I love you" enough - because I'm constantly being screamed at, threatened, and insulted - so kindly forgive me if I've entirely run out of patience for dealing with your species.

You, I like. Most others, not so much. It is what it is.

[Coola Yagami]

Will and Jada have a bad marriage and choose to tolerate whatever they've done to wreck it, so Will slapping someone...leads to Jada is the evil empress and example of all women? Come on. Even if she's human garbage... come on.


Just how bad do you choose them if this is the generalized conclusion some of you come to? I mean, if it's family and connected social circles (and few other options) with poor morals, then I guess that wasn't a choice, but still.

Some people, men and women both, may act like stray dogs in heat, but the people I keep around me aren't among them -- weird!

Not everyone shows their true colors on day one. You know Jada had to have been a special sort of darling sweetheart that made Will see hearts and eventually say 'I do'.

You're acting as if she was a bitch since day one. C'mon now. You know the game.

[Leo656]

Yeah, mine was a real Princess at first, too. They change.

The person I met and fell in love with wasn't the person who starts a Holy War when one dog eats the other dog's food, or who constantly threatens to file fake police reports because "You aren't nice enough". If she'd shown me THAT person upfront I never would have even talked to her, let alone gotten involved.

It's as I said; if a woman is in, or interested in being in a relationship, then on some level she's a manipulator and she's hiding her True Self until she has some sucker locked down. And if a woman is NOT a manipulator or putting on a front, then she's simply not in a relationship or ever likely to be because she isn't built for it.

I just tell everybody to stay single. For years, everyone who saw us together were like, "Man, you guys are an inspiration, being together so long and through all the stuff you've been through. If you can't make it work then NOBODY can make it work."

Well, it doesn't work. Period. It just doesn't work. Because deep down, a snake can only ever be a snake. Sooner or later, that mask comes off. But by then it's usually way too late.

[IndigoErth]

I dunno, I have to disagree on her being my "species." Kind of feel like lunatics people who actively hunt for or make up bull**** to be mad about are some kind of other subspecies all together and they appear to include a male variety.

Not everyone shows their true colors on day one. You know Jada had to have been a special sort of darling sweetheart that made Will see hearts and eventually say 'I do'.

You're acting as if she was a bitch since day one. C'mon now. You know the game.
Oh yes, one of my mom's childhood friends married a guy (back when I was a kid) who was Mr Perfectly Fantastic and then turned into a monster post-marriage.

One of my cousins married a girl who has a family history of mental illness, but was fine on her meds, he only knew her on them, until sometime after some years of marriage she decided to refuse to take them and started abusing him. (Thankfully he was smart and got out of there.)

Does that mean I think that these awful people are examples of all men and women though? Of course not. A celebrity isn't either.

[Leo656]

Well, I'll concede to you that I'm having serious doubts as to whether or not my wife is even human, yes. :lol:

But I mean, again, General Statements Are General for a reason.

About 98% of my family are women. They all cheat, they all treated their men generally like sh*t, they all played the victim when it went south, and they all cried the blues when they ended up alone. Rinse and Repeat. Only being able to call What I See, I look at that sample data and WHEW, the conclusions one is forced to draw from that is staggering.

So I mean, is that "literally the entire world", no. But you have to figure, if you know a hundred or so people and 98 of them are a certain way, you can multiply exponentially and feel safe in saying that Most Of Them Are Actually Like That. Because what are the odds that ALL the scumbags are segregated over in one little circle? Not likely.

That's why polls and studies don't literally poll Every Single Individual and rely on a sample size. Because it's implicitly understood that the sample size is just a microcosm of the rest of the world and that you CAN safely infer from that data that "This Is How It Is". You don't NEED to find every single individual and ask them, you just figure the sampling of data is accurate enough to generalize.

Science! :trazz:

[IndigoErth]

Except for the small asterisk on that polling that similar family behavior isn't unexpected among members and polling against a variety of families might provide more accurate generalized results.

I mean, I get it that anyone can largely only see the world from the perspective they've been viewing it. And can't say there aren't any (different) issues over here from this angle, at least from my mother's side (lord knows I've ranted about that woman in the past), but even still... the crap that existed right there, I know a lot of others didn't/don't have that going on and are fortunate.

But sorry that the women of your family have provided such a crappy example of what women are supposedly like.

[Anarchistguy]

Well, I'll concede to you that I'm having serious doubts as to whether or not my wife is even human, yes. :lol:

But I mean, again, General Statements Are General for a reason.

About 98% of my family are women. They all cheat, they all treated their men generally like sh*t, they all played the victim when it went south, and they all cried the blues when they ended up alone. Rinse and Repeat. Only being able to call What I See, I look at that sample data and WHEW, the conclusions one is forced to draw from that is staggering.

So I mean, is that "literally the entire world", no. But you have to figure, if you know a hundred or so people and 98 of them are a certain way, you can multiply exponentially and feel safe in saying that Most Of Them Are Actually Like That. Because what are the odds that ALL the scumbags are segregated over in one little circle? Not likely.

That's why polls and studies don't literally poll Every Single Individual and rely on a sample size. Because it's implicitly understood that the sample size is just a microcosm of the rest of the world and that you CAN safely infer from that data that "This Is How It Is". You don't NEED to find every single individual and ask them, you just figure the sampling of data is accurate enough to generalize.

Science! :trazz:

Well it's pretty much been the same way with most women in my vicinity. And most of 'em are Christians, some of the freakiest women in the world.

Sure there are exceptions, but why the hell would I base data on exceptions?

[Leo656]

Well, I mean it isn't JUST family. I've had far from a sheltered life. For example, I once attended the funeral of a co-worker who killed himself in the midst of an argument with his wife, immediately after she indeed dared him to kill himself. Just as an example. And as expected, she dutifully played the heartbroken widow at the funeral. Most of us weren't buying it, but we were polite and respectful all the same.

I mean, it is what it is. If there are any "good women" it would simply be nice if they made themselves known in Real Life and didn't only exist as text on a computer screen. That's really all I can say. Of ALL the ones I've ever met in Real Life? Not a lot of nice things can be said, and that's the nicest thing I CAN say.
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Anyways, more to topic, I might have to change my vote on the Real or Staged debate. I saw where Taz (the wrestler) posted a fairly close-up slow-motion clip of The Slap and Chris had his chin stuck out and his eyes closed well before Will even moved to swing. That definitely looked suspect. Like he was even laughing or smiling broadly. He looked "ready", in other words.

I *guess* I can believe, "Well, he saw Will coming and figured after what he said he might get a tap and braced himself accordingly."

Mostly I can't fathom why the Oscars would stage something so negative and turn the entire event into a laughingstock. I mean yeah, their ratings are nothing and they've been desperate for attention for years, and this got them some attention, sure. But on the other hand, all the talk about how the Oscars are so "racist" and their lack of representation, all that... and so you stage an event where a couple of black guys have a sissy slap-fight over a bad joke? NOBODY comes out of that looking good.

I'm inclined to believe it was real, but again, a lot of that is just because there's zero upside in staging it. Going just by the slap itself... yeah, removed from all other context it looked pretty fake when you see it slow-mo and up close.

I don't know. Whole thing is stupid. My wife warned me "Don't go on Facebook today, it's nothing but memes about the Will Smith thing." She was NOT exaggerating. (For once :lol:)

[Andrew NDB]

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[Coola Yagami]

Also, WTF was Will Smith doing with his other hand. It's like he couldn't decide to throw a punch, a slap, a karatee chop or a wrestling-style chop and the slap was what came out.

[Leo656]

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

[Coola Yagami]

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

Part of me also feels he even did that cause Chris Rock isn't that big of a dude, doesn't particularly have a history of violence (that I know of) so Will probably figured he could get away with taking a swing at him without the guy wrecking his ****.

Obviously if that was Chris Brown talking, Will wouldn't have done ****.

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen it a lot from people who only ever pretend to fight but have not had a real altercation in many years (if ever). He probably didn't know what he was gonna do when he got up, and then once he made a big show of power walking to the stage it was like "Well... Strong Words won't cut it so I better do something," and that's what he came up with.

But yeah people who don't fight get very awkward when they try and actually get physical.

But surely -- at the very least -- he learned a lot through film and sparring. He played Muhammad Ali, for goodness' sake.

[Coola Yagami]

But surely -- at the very least -- he learned a lot through film and sparring. He played Muhammad Ali, for goodness' sake.

Y'know, I wonder if people ever really retain a lot of those 'I learned this for this movie I was working on' types of skills after the fact, especially if they moved on to a different project that has nothing to do with it.

Like I remember hearing interviews where Michelle Pfieffer actually had to train using a whip for her Catwoman role back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if she can't do that nowadays, so many years later, but I mean what about 2 or 5 years after filming Batman Returns. Would she still have retained some of that back then?

As for Will, pretty sure that was Cuck Fu strike# 5, the Puss-Lee Chop. Doesn't cause much harm to the victim, it only causes a brief moment of confusion. It has the drawback that it makes the user suddenly feel as if they achieved a higher form of machismo enlightenment, while everyone around the individual sees the opposite. Kind of a 'yeah, that'll show em' attitude, if you will, while the rest of the world points and laughs. But such is the life of the cuck.

[Leo656]

Again, you'd be amazed at what people who don't actually put it in practice don't know when it comes to getting physical.

Plus some people aren't strikers. I can't remember the last time I punched anyone in the face with intent. I was always the smaller guy, and you're not gonna outpunch a bigger guy. So my method always was, get in close on a guy and get a death grip on his windpipe, dig the nails in just a little bit to let them know you're serious. You'll get hit, quite a lot at first, but if you can shrug it off they'll quickly start to panic from the lack of oxygen, at which point you can do whatever you want to them.

BUT, not everybody is a "Take 10 to give 1" kinda guy. I'm just kind of the type where if I'm mad enough to fight someone I'm also mad enough to not feel pain anymore. Otherwise, kinda hard to keep your grip on someone's throat while they're hitting you in the face and head. BUT if you can do it and just power through that first 15 seconds or so you can pretty much do anything and they'll just gasp and flop around while you do it.

But yeah, not a big punching guy, personally. :lol: Like I've had some boxing training but I've never had to use it in a real fight and I have no idea what I would do if it ever came up. Last time I was in a scrap I did what I always do. Still works, I figure why change it up now?

Fun Fact: People also get really squeamish and whiny if you start going near their jugular with your teeth. Everybody just wants to slap hands. Pussy sh*t. If you're not trying to do permanent damage then you really shouldn't even be fighting in the first place or else you're just posing and posturing.

People also start losing their sh*t if you stick your thumb under their eyeball. Like c'mon, what are we even doing? F*cking babies.

[Wildcat]

People talking about security doesn’t really make sense. He didn’t “storm” the stage. He was right in front, calmly walked up and being Will Smith (and Chris Rock, 2 comedy actors) I’m sure everyone assumed he was just going to do something funny as a way to return the jab.

I agree with others there’s literally no reason to stage this. Sure it’s possible but this makes everyone look bad. Especially Will. I had no idea til yesterday they have a bad marriage or anything like that. I’m just talking about this.

I saw the Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson thing brought up. I definitely believe that was staged. He clearly reached over to rip open her top.

I know in her recent documentary they talk about it but still don’t explain it. This actually makes mad. I don’t hate them...but they clearly did it on purpose and still act like an obvious break-away top was an accident. It’s not even something that awful to just admit.

I watched it again on YouTube and he even hesitates to rip it off at the right moment. He grips it and pulls. It’s not an accident.

[Leo656]

:lol: I can't believe they're still milking the Janet/Justin thing either. THAT was very, very, very, VERY clearly and obviously staged and I think it's ridiculous how now there's this whole "He assaulted and embarrassed her and she was the victim and had no idea and it still bothers her" bullsh*t. She keeps looking down at his hand WAITING to react to it until he finally does it. C'mon.

Janet was pretty smokin' whenever she wasn't fat, though.

[Andrew NDB]

"Literally no reason to stage this"? Are you kidding me? I can think of about 3 huge reasons easily, and other peripheral ones.

Bottom line, bringing back relevance to the Oscars is in all of their best interests. Except Rock's, who doesn't gaf. That's why this was probably his idea, if it was a work.

[Leo656]

They all look like idiots. "Best interests" is a reach.

If they wanted Internet Chatter and "relevance" mixed in with a little light controversy, all they had to do was make Spider-Man "Best Picture".

When people are saying how "Next year they're gonna have Jerry Springer host the Oscars", your master plan has blown up in your face. IF it was staged, it was very poorly thought-out because people are still saying "The Oscars are a joke" but for completely different reasons. What little credibility they had is pretty well shot now.

I mean, we'll never know. But IF it's a work, it's the brainchild of a simpleton.

[Andrew NDB]

King Richard won Smith the Oscar... but it lost money at the box office. When was the last time Will Smith was a big star? Suicide Squad? lol...

Jada? Apart from an unrecognizable part in Matrix 4 (which lost a LOT of money), what has she had going on? Fish Mooney or whatever, from Gotham?

Guess what everyone is doing now? Talking about both of them, often praising Smith for being a valiant husband and feeling pity for her and her medical condition. And while it's a little messy that everyone brings up their weird open marriage stuff into the same equation, it wasn't like they were trying to hide it before this either.

And Rock? Again, doesn't gaf. He would easily take a smack for a bit of publicity. It wasn't like "Spiral" made a big splash or anything, and his standups haven't been "must see" for ages. Now everyone is anxious to see what he's going to say next.

And the Oscars. A pit of despair and woke speeches for years that everyone largely gave up on until this went down. Now millions of people are calling it must see TV again.

And Smith and Rock have been friends for ages. My gut is still that they're all laughing over drinks at the Smith mansion and looking at the memes.

[DarkFell]

Friends don't slap friends in front of the public eye. Smith broke Bro Code by doing just that.

[Leo656]

All I'm seeing are constant negatives. "He's an ass, so is He, the wife's a slut and a ball-breaker, the Oscars are a joke for letting this happen", and on and on. I doubt the Academy actually wants to be known as "The NEW Home of Trash TV" even if that gets people chatterboxing.

I am seeing SOME praise for Smith "defending her honor", but not anywhere near as much as people saying, "Dumbass shouldn't even still BE with her trifling cheating ass."

I get that "getting clicks" is the new social currency or whatever, but when Every Single Person (and entity) comes out of a situation looing worse than they went in - Smith may not have been setting box office records lately, but NOW we also know (or assume) that he's a thin-skinned crybaby who does what Wifey tells him to do, up to and including public displays of violence - then again, your plan has backfired.

Again, if they wanted attention and relevance then ALL they had to do was start giving attention to movies people actually watch. Until they do THAT, and only That, then nobody is ever gonna care what they do. They could have Alec Baldwin fake-shoot someone live onstage and unless a Marvel movie is up for Best Picture then NOTHING they do to try and "get some attention" will work.

The Oscars aren't only irrelevant because they're boring and masturbatory. It's that they give awards to movies about gay cowboys eating pudding that ten people have ever seen while ignoring anything people actually like. THAT is the issue and it's been the issue for decades. The ONE time they "went commercial", and gave the whole house to "Titanic", it backfired on them once people realized a few months later that "Yeah, that thing actually wasn't very good and it mostly coasted on the Celine Dion song." Ever since then, they don't like to acknowledge anything people pay to see and instead fawn over artsy-fartsy crap. I get it, but it's killing them.

So again, if they thought a fake slap-fight between two black guys, RIGHT in the middle of an ongoing cultural conversation about whether or not black people are inherently violent by nature or not, was going to get them some "good attention", their finger is not only NOT on the pulse, it's jammed so far up their collective asses that they can probably find a heartbeat.

Not saying it's "impossible". But if it's a work it's a really, really, really, really, REALLY bad one, and it backfired.

[Wildcat]

Are they really friends though or just know each other because they’re actors? I honestly don’t know. Chris Rock was on Fresh Prince once but that was a long time ago.

Those potential reasons don’t make any sense. Especially from Will’s and the Oscar’s standpoint.

[Andrew NDB]

It doesn't matter how it comes off to me and you or people on Facebook and Twitter. It only matters to the woke left (who make and fund the big movies). Who cheer this stuff on. "YAY! SMITE the comedian telling jokes I feel are bad! This kind of comedy is the same as violence! I personally find [fill in the blank] unfunny anyway" and so on. This is stuff they've been saying loudly for at least a couple of years now.

[Leo656]

The View seems to carry the torch for the Woke Mob, and from what I was reading they were saying the same exact thing I am, that everyone involved looks like f*cking morons and children, the Academy included.

I've hardly seen anyone stick up for Rock, or Smith, and definitely not Jada. I've actually seen a little more praise for Rock, if anything, which kind of puts holes in your argument that this is all just about "silencing comedians". I've seen some people talk about how graceful he kept his composure, whereas 99% of people think Will was a big baby. So... pretty much the opposite of how your theory would hypothetically work.

Ratings were barely up a blip over last year. People are meme'ing but nobody actually watched the show. And they won't next year, either.

[Andrew NDB]

I've hardly seen anyone stick up for Rock, or Smith, and definitely not Jada. I've actually seen a little more praise for Rock, if anything, which kind of puts holes in your argument that this is all just about "silencing comedians". I've seen some people talk about how graceful he kept his composure, whereas 99% of people think Will was a big baby. So... pretty much the opposite of how your theory would hypothetically work.

Do any of these people make or fund the big (largely artsy, but risky financially, but we could even be talking about 200 million dollar budgeted blockbusters... these are the same like-minded people) movies? Then I see no holes.

[Leo656]

Spoiler Alert: Nobody's gonna watch the Oscars next year, either.

So again, "brainchild of a simpleton".

Giving Spider-Man "Best Picture" would get them ALL of the chatter and zero of the "Was this fake/What a bunch of assholes" controversy.

This is some "George Bush Did 9/11" level stuff, right here. In that the conspiracy only works if everyone involved in said conspiracy is a Literal Retard. And also, in either case, in the end nothing of value was gained and in fact much was lost.

I mean anything's possible. But I doubt a bunch of crusty old white dudes such as the Academy actually subscribe to the "No such thing as Bad Publicity as long as we get people talking" idea, when the simplest way to "get people talking" would simply be to acknowledge movies people have actually seen or heard of.

"We won't do THAT, but we'll have two black guys have a slap fight on live TV." Like, really?

I'm not saying they aren't stupid. I am saying, they'd have to be stupid to set such a thing up and even stupider to think they'd gain anything of value from doing so. And they might be. They definitely might be.

Either way, joke's on them, nobody's gonna watch next year either. So they can jump on the MCU gravy train like the rest of Hollywood or they can go extinct. Ball's in their court. Sh*t Like This, staged or not, isn't gonna get them what they want.

[Mayhem]

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Yeah... I don't know how most men would accept it, but hair is quite tied to your identity as a woman, and I know esp for black women. I have a hard enough time accepting the color of mine fading with age, if I had a condition that caused it to just all fall out I'd be devastated and feel quite betrayed by it. Making a joke about that and in front of the nation/world is a rather personal low blow. Joking about it yourself is one thing, but someone else doing so is way, way too personal.
One thing I forgot to add to my original post, and it's quite pertinent, is that there's a huge culture in the afro American and Caribbean to have short hair and wear wigs. Why Jada has chosen not to, I can't answer for her. But scores of women willingly leep their real hair short and wear fake over the top.

[joe-eyeball]

Yeah I don’t believe for one second this was staged. Some of the “evidence” of it being staged requires a metric fvckton of gullibility to believe. The whole Chris Rock smiling and giving up his chin is easily explained away that he thought Smith was going to maybe tap him on the cheek, or bear hug him, or basically just troll him a bit. I think it’s obvious that Rock didn’t even fathom that Will was serious. After the slap it’s abundantly clear that Chris was in a state of shock and actually for a moment at a complete loss for words. Plus Chris Rock for damn sure isn’t that good of an actor! If it’s fake then he should have gotten the lifetime achievement Oscar that night!

Also like others have said how would anyone with a mildly functioning brain think having two black guys get into an altercation on Hollywood’s biggest night would actually be a great way to drive up ratings for the Oscars going forward. There are a million better ways to do it without embarrassing the guests! Remember when a good chunk of the top nominated films were also box office blockbusters? If Hollywood got back to making films people actually wanted to see and dropped the everything has to be political nonsense in both film and the speeches that these actors give then just maybe will people give a damn again?

Hollywood has always had an image problem and a bit of a disconnect with reality and the people that live in it but now things have devolved to nausea inducing levels. Now you can have a blockbuster with no star power and that is because the idea of what star is has become so diluted. That’s because we live in the fifteen minutes of fame society with TikTok and YouTube stars which have further blurred reality. The bottom line is nobody with an actual life truly cares about these famous Hollywood types anymore and that is entirely Hollywood’s own fault! If those overpaid and undereducated , delusional a$$hats fix that then maybe people will watch that crap again:lol:

[AquaParade]

If they were going to stage something, it'd be something that makes them seem really classy. They would have handled the situation way better in said scenario.

This is like something MTV would stage.

[Andrew NDB]

If they were going to stage something, it'd be something that makes them seem really classy. They would have handled the situation way better in said scenario.

This is like something MTV would stage.

Classy doesn't equal ratings. What're some examples of live, classy shows that get big ratings?

[AquaParade]

Classy doesn't equal ratings. What're some examples of live, classy shows that get big ratings?

That's true, but these people don't even want to give awards to superhero movies, which would garner them much more attention than they've been receiving.
So they clearly think about themselves in a certain way.

[ZariusTwo]

ROFL, Marvel movies don't deserve oscars. They're theme park rides.

[Andrew NDB]

ROFL, Marvel movies don't deserve oscars. They're theme park rides.

I can't think of one that would, honestly. Which isn't to say there aren't Marvel movies better than a lot of the Oscar winners over the years that never belonged even as nominations.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly, End Game and No Way Home.

Might not be Oscar-worthy, but neither is half the crap on there.

Also didn't Suicide Squad win some sort of award for best costumes? Like.... they were pretty much what you'd expect, they didn't wear anything earth-shattering.

[AquaParade]

ROFL, Marvel movies don't deserve oscars. They're theme park rides.

Who said Marvel?
but you could actually argue for a few of them, based on the unique merits they do bring to the table.
It helps when you remember that not every movie that ever won on an award is actually more than a pretentious pile of crap. It’s all subjective.

Anyway, you missed the point: Superheo movies garner attention.

If you want to crap on marvel, be my guest lol.

[IMJ]

Yeah I don’t believe for one second this was staged. Some of the “evidence” of it being staged requires a metric fvckton of gullibility to believe. The whole Chris Rock smiling and giving up his chin is easily explained away that he thought Smith was going to maybe tap him on the cheek, or bear hug him, or basically just troll him a bit.:

Exactly.

And also, when multiple cameras are rolling multiple angles at 60 FPS you have an enormous amount of opportunities to freeze frame and find the nanosecond of strange expressions that you want to highlight.

These guys did not get together with the government during their last "Orlock" worshipping session in a dark room with hoods and robes and stage Will Smith buggin' up on Chris Rock for "weird rationale XYZ".

Will Smith has his dick in his brain and his brain wrapped around an abusive relationship partner and he is losing his $#!( over it. It's really that simple.

[AquaParade]

Either one of them could easily be “cancelled” by the ever-flippant Twitter mob, so it doesn’t make sense to risk it.

One for “abuse” and one for “toxic disease-shaming q” or whatever they cook up over there.

[Leo656]

I mean, I've been thoroughly unimpressed by everything in the MCU that I've bothered to see even clips of. But there's no debate that they're the only movies anyone cares about at all.

December 1, 2021: Everyone - "I'm so nervous about all these new Covid variants! I'm afraid to see my family for Christmas! I DEFINITELY don't think I'm ready to go back out and sit in a crowded movie theater, that just seems so irresponsible. PEOPLE ARE DYING, probably."

December 17, 2021: Same Everyone - "WHOOOOOOOO, SPIDER-MAN! PANDEMIC'S OVER, F*CKERS! TOBEY IS BACK (and andrew garfield showed up too i guess but anyways) YEAH WHOOOOOO SPIDER-MAN!"

Actual quality is irrelevant. I generally hate "blockbusters" because they're vapid, but they make money and there's no denying that. Conversely, not ten people saw whatever movie won Best Picture the other night. I bet nobody even knows what won. Because nobody watched the show, which makes the "the slap was staged for ratings" theory shoddy.

But the point remains, people have been sh*tting on the Oscars for decades because they only glorify the "gay cowboys eating pudding" stuff that NOBODY WATCHES, and they turn up their nose at anything people actually DO watch, because "those movies aren't art." And hey, I can actually totally agree that they aren't.

But we live in a society that doesn't care about "art", they want Fast Food. Cheap thrills, fast and easy. They don't want to think, they don't want to be challenged, they want to sit in the dark and the air conditioning and watch CGI explosions.

If you work in the movie industry and are obsessed with "regaining relevance", the ONLY way you do that is by giving in to the mainstream audience and acknowledging the things they like, even if they don't fit your criteria as "art". That's why most of the people in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame don't have any business being in there; because if they DIDN'T bend over and glorify rappers and pop musicians and kept it strictly to "real" rock n roll musicians, nobody would pay them any attention. It's not about what's "art", or what's "authentic", it's About What Sells.

What sells is Marvel Movies. Not even "blockbusters", because we've seen tons of them fail in recent years, and not even "super-heroes" because anything outside of the MCU remains a crapshoot. The MCU is what people want, it's all they care about, and it's what they want to see recognized on a grand stage. They want their likes to be validated; they don't want to be talked down to and told that some movie nobody ever heard of was "better", that's why they don't watch the Oscars.

So while I agree that most MCU movies "aren't cinema", and in fact that they're probably ruining movies altogether and dumbing down the entire culture, the fact remains that what I think doesn't matter. The only way any movie awards can be relevant is to celebrate the MCU. Otherwise you just look like a bunch of stubborn old farts.

I guess I can see them not wanting to go there because once they do, they may as well rename the entire thing The Annual MCU Awards since nothing else would be recognized. But still, it's the only way the Oscars can ever get the "attention and relevance" they're supposedly so desperate for. Literally nothing else will move the needle one bit. That's just the way it is.

[Jester]

So...let me get this straight Andrew, this was a staged event to demonstrate cancel culture of comedians who make "violent" jokes and was also the brainchild of a comedian who no longer plays college campuses because they want to cancel comedians who make "violent" jokes...??

[Leo656]

So...let me get this straight Andrew, this was a staged event to demonstrate cancel culture of comedians who make "violent" jokes and was also the brainchild of a comedian who no longer plays college campuses because they want to cancel comedians who make "violent" jokes...??

Plus, NOBODY is sticking up for Will Smith "silencing" Rock. They're ALL saying he "displayed toxic masculinity" and should be ashamed of himself. That he "ruined" his big moment and permanently stained his reputation by being a crybaby.

There is a tiny bit of "Rock just shouldn't have gone there" but it's like a fart in the wind. And it's ALWAYS followed up by the person saying, "Smith STILL shouldn't have hit him, though."

It just doesn't wash. The very same "liberal cancel crowd woke mob" who are supposed to be cheerleading Smith for "Silencing the big mean nasty comedian for saying mean things" are calling him a bully and a crybaby and supporting the mean nasty comedian's right to make bad jokes.

So if it was a conspiracy then the conspirators CLEARLY didn't communicate what the point of it all was. Sloppy Shop.

EDIT: More headlines today, with Jim Carrey, Kareem-Abdul Jabbar and others all completely trashing Smith.

Yeah, if this was about "Yay, he silenced the Bad Comedian for Saying Mean Things", then it's a complete wash.

[Jester]

Jim Carrey (and others) chimes in.
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[CyberCubed]

Will Smith already issued an apology, obviously he did it in the heat of the moment.

[joe-eyeball]

Either one of them could easily be “cancelled” by the ever-flippant Twitter mob, so it doesn’t make sense to risk it.

One for “abuse” and one for “toxic disease-shaming q” or whatever they cook up over there.

Neither one will though. I mean Smith won an Oscar and he will transition into dramatic roles where his box office will be in the 40-60 million range kind of like a cheap Denzel and Chris Rock, I guess just saw an uptick in ticket sales on his comedy tour from this. I don’t think either should be canceled. It’s counseling that Will Smith needs not canceling!

[Leo656]

Divorce first, counseling later.

Take it from one who knows: Therapy is all Just Words if you stay with the toxic partner. You need to get out first, THEN work on the healing. Otherwise, literally all they do is just tell you "You need to leave this person" and it all goes nowhere.

[Jester]

Maybe Andrew is right...

Chris Rock Comedy Tour Sees Surge in Ticket Sales After Will Smith Slap (https://variety.com/shop/chris-rock-comedy-tour-tickets-will-smith-slap-1235217103/)

[Leo656]

So let's do a hypothetical and say that it was a work and only Rock and Smith were in on it.

The Academy has launched an "internal investigation" and are already discussing what penalty, if any, Smith deserves. One suggestion put forth was that he may not be allowed to attend next year's ceremony, for example. Unlikely, but it's on the table. Law enforcement has also already been involved.

So again, let's pretend Rock went to Will completely on the sly and said, "Hey man, let's do this, it'll help me sell a few tickets to my shows and I'll make it worth your while."

If an investigation uncovers this, it's Jussie Smollett all over again. And none of them need that. Furthermore, Smith looks like the biggest jerk right now and I have to imagine he would have foreseen that happening.

Lately, the Academy has been on this huge "celebrate diversity" kick. Well, two of the biggest things people say to criticize the black community is that they're violent by nature, and dishonest by nature. Whether that's true or not... Well, I suspect it has a lot to do with where you live. But the POINT is, like Kareem said we don't need two of the biggest black celebrities in the world playing directly into those negative stereotypes. That does nobody any good.

[joe-eyeball]

Divorce first, counseling later.

A divorce attorney would be a form of counseling!:D

[Andrew NDB]

So let's do a hypothetical and say that it was a work and only Rock and Smith were in on it.

The Academy has launched an "internal investigation" and are already discussing what penalty, if any, Smith deserves. One suggestion put forth was that he may not be allowed to attend next year's ceremony, for example. Unlikely, but it's on the table. Law enforcement has also already been involved.

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

[ChosenOne]

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

Those sound to me like bald-faced lies.

[Coola Yagami]

The investigation:

"Hey Mr. Smith, did you conspire to do this beforehand?"

"No."

Hey Mr. Rock, did you conspire with Smith about this beforehand?"

"No."

"Mrs. Smith, what about you?"

"No."

"Did anyone else know they might be planning something?"

"No."

Investigation over.

They forgot to ask August for his consent.

[Leo656]

They forgot to ask August for his consent.

Kinda wearing that joke out a bit, buddy. It's as thin as Jada's hair by now. :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

So people think Will Smith pretended to be angry over his wife? lol.

[Leo656]

Couldn't slap all the guys who f*cked Jada, so... gotta slap somebody, I guess.

All jokes aside, how badly do you think this guy wishes he'd gotten a prenup?

I mean, divorce rates are over 70%, studies show that women cheat more than ever (and way more than men do if we go solely by self-reporting), and the average celebrity marriage lasts less than 5 years.

What kind of idiot - especially a Rich Idiot - doesn't get a prenup? I don't wanna hear any of that sentimental horse sh*t about "Well, asking for a prenup just shows upfront that you don't trust your partner and you expect the marriage to fail." News Flash: Statistically, no matter who you are, your marriage IS going to fail, you've literally got 3-out-of-10 odds in your favor, which is nothing, and so not protecting yourself is f*cking insane. "Love" is a chemical stimuli in the brain triggered by the urge to procreate, and that sh*t fades in a hurry. It's not real, so people shouldn't make major life decisions based on the sh*t they learned from Disney cartoons. That's how you lose half your sh*t.

Dude probably would'a left her trifling ass by now if he wasn't scared she'd walk away with $100 million of his money. Always Get The Prenup, Dumbass.

[Coola Yagami]

Kinda wearing that joke out a bit, buddy. It's as thin as Jada's hair by now. :trazz:

I guess when August came around, Jada was missing the Will to decline.

On the other side of things, Will got a front row seat to finding out stuff like Hitch is just something that happens in the movies.

[Hamato Yoshi]

When i was a kid back in 80s/90s nobody cared about Marvel , we seldom saw Hulk or Spidey & friends toons , the big hero in Norway was The Phantom until early 90s at least. Also Asterix was popular.

"It's not about what's "art", or what's "authentic", it's About What Sells"

Presleys manager had the same idea in the 60s and sadly Elvis sgd those contracts , by '65 the films were starting to be stale. He shouldve gotten a new manager by then.

As for Rock he has NVLD , its similar to autism

[Andrew NDB]

Read a post from a guy that really summed up the argument against... one argument:

Alopecia. How dare you make fun of Jada for her medical condition! Definitely worth smacking a comedian over.

Um. Remember male pattern baldness? It's been around for thousands of years. Are bald jokes for dudes suddenly lesser now vs. whatever Jada is going through? Because making fun of bald dudes is fair game since forever. And I've never even had a problem with it.

[Zulithe]

Love Jim Carrey's take on the situation.

The eventual divorce arc for Smith/Jada is gonna be delicious.

[IMJ]

Looks like Will got himself into a real entanglement with this one.... Or was it Chris who did that? :lol:

Then again, at least Chris was able to say "Will Smith just slapped the $#!( out of me!" instead of "Will Smith and I had an entanglement". :roll:

[Galactus]

The whole thing was fake designed to kill non politically correct comedy. I know this because we planned it in our weekly Cultural Marxist meetings. It was me Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Danny DeVito that came up with the idea. Y'see after significantly weakening the White male with feminism, Evis Presley's hips and Marvel Comic books we're now setting our sights on African American men. We've put nannites in their Covid vaccines that makes their most popular entertainers do stupid stuff in public. Look out for Wayne Brady pistol whipping Jay-Z after the latter disses his performance on Whose Line Is It Anyway. Once that happens the world will be prepped for our Jewish overlords to take over.

[Prowler]

Some people on social media have said that Chris Rock was "misogynoir" for making fun of a black woman publicly in front of tons of white people. And some others have also said that white people were being racist by criticising a black man slapping another in public.

Ofc leave it to woke SJW types to make everything about race and racism.

It's a good thing this was between 2 black dudes. Had Will Smith been white then oh boy, the woke crowd would claim him to be a KKK member or something like that. Not to mention plenty of US cities would be currently on fire due to riots.

[Andrew NDB]

Some people on social media have said that Chris Rock was "misogynoir" for making fun of a black woman publicly in front of tons of white people.

See also, "idiots."

Had Will Smith been white then oh boy, the woke crowd would claim him to be a KKK member or something like that. Not to mention plenty of US cities would be currently on fire due to riots.

Can you imagine? Think if it was, like, Steve Martin or Jeremy Irons going over and slapping Chris Rock. How difference the conversation would be.

[Prowler]

See also, "idiots."



Can you imagine? Think if it was, like, Steve Martin or Jeremy Irons going over and slapping Chris Rock. How difference the conversation would be.

Ofc they're idiots. They're woke SJWs after all. And I had never heard of "misogynoir" until yesterday. I swear, those people gotta be making up such terms and concepts. There's no way that word existed before that.

Lol yeah indeed.

[CyberCubed]

The reason nobody cares much is black people can slap other black people and this became an instant meme online. Also Will Smith is loved and Chris Rock is also very popular, so both sides got some enjoyment out of this. Chris Rock taking it professionally and not making a scene but saying, "Wow I was slapped by Will Smith on live television!" obviously made him take it in stride rather than making a scene or making it more serious.

The sheer mass of fanart and meme images that came from this scene on day 1 is staggering. People will be talking about this for decades to come.

[Andrew NDB]

The sheer mass of fanart and meme images that came from this scene on day 1 is staggering. People will be talking about this for decades to come.

Maybe, maybe not. I wish the "Uncle Denzel" thing was still getting mileage, but it isn't.

[Andrew NDB]

The slap is a result of white supremacy:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin/2022/03/28/while-were-talking-about-will-smiths-behavior-dont-forget-to-also-talk-about-the-system-that-helped-create-it/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/29/white-outrage-about-will-smiths-slap-is-rooted-in-anti-blackness-its-inequality-in-plain-sight

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/03/29/woke-activists-blame-will-smith-slapping-chris-rock-on-white-supremacy/

[FredWolfLeonardo]

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[neatoman]

The slap is a result of white supremacy:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin/2022/03/28/while-were-talking-about-will-smiths-behavior-dont-forget-to-also-talk-about-the-system-that-helped-create-it/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/29/white-outrage-about-will-smiths-slap-is-rooted-in-anti-blackness-its-inequality-in-plain-sight

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/03/29/woke-activists-blame-will-smith-slapping-chris-rock-on-white-supremacy/

I legitimately don't understand this logic. A black man slapped another black man for joking about a black woman's hair loss and this sort of behavior would generally not be tolerated from anyone, how does white supremacy factor in?

[AquaParade]

I legitimately don't understand this logic. A black man slapped another black man for joking about a black woman's hair loss and this sort of behavior would generally not be tolerated from anyone, how does white supremacy factor in?

I don’t like to simplify things but these people are warped and racist. It’s either that or they want rage-clicks.
You’ve got to be insane to have a topic like this and still be blaming white people. Give it a rest. I implore you all to not even click on those links. It just supports the loonies.

[IMJ]

+1 for Aqua's point.

Andrew posted the links to absolve himself from Dromer intellectualism who would demand "sources" as if they can argue their way out of it when the links aren't there. But don't click on them.

Quite frankly I'm beginning to think that posters could give the links but copy and paste the whole damn article in post. F these people who write this stuff.

[ChosenOne]

The whole thing was fake designed to kill non politically correct comedy. I know this because we planned it in our weekly Cultural Marxist meetings. It was me Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Danny DeVito that came up with the idea. Y'see after significantly weakening the White male with feminism, Evis Presley's hips and Marvel Comic books we're now setting our sights on African American men. We've put nannites in their Covid vaccines that makes their most popular entertainers do stupid stuff in public. Look out for Wayne Brady pistol whipping Jay-Z after the latter disses his performance on Whose Line Is It Anyway. Once that happens the world will be prepped for our Jewish overlords to take over.

Don't bother. Planned Parenthood's had that covered for decades.

(...) "misogynoir" (...)

The only acceptable use for this word is a noir story in which the hard-boiled detective smacks the dame across the face the moment she walks in the door, and so never takes up her case.

[Andrew NDB]

Hmmmmmmm...

https://fortune.com/2022/03/29/chris-rock-ego-death-ticket-sales-skyrocket-will-smith-slap-drama-oscars-academy-awards/

[joe-eyeball]

Hmmmmmmm...

https://fortune.com/2022/03/29/chris-rock-ego-death-ticket-sales-skyrocket-will-smith-slap-drama-oscars-academy-awards/

Andrew! C’mon dude! Are you still trying to push the idea that this whole thing was a work? So Will Smith nuked his reputation so Chris Rock could sell out a comedy tour? By that logic then Heath Ledger killed himself so The Dark Knight would sell more tickets! People have a morbid curiosity and anyone could’ve easily predicted this controversy would result in higher ticket sales for Rock.

[Andrew NDB]

Andrew! C’mon dude! Are you still trying to push the idea that this whole thing was a work?

Mildly pushing the idea that it COULD be a work.

And Smith's reputation? As what, a buttoned-down actor's actor who wouldn't so much as even swear during his rap career? Now suddenly, overnight, he is edgy and "real."

[joe-eyeball]

Mildly pushing the idea that it COULD be a work.

And Smith's reputation? As what, a buttoned-down actor's actor who wouldn't so much as even swear during his rap career? Now suddenly, overnight, he is edgy and "real."

Not necessarily referring to his reputation regarding his profession. More like he now looks like an even bigger jacka$$ then ever before. And that’s saying a lot considering his marriage issues that have come to light. I mean, again he did this as a favor to Chris Rock? Or for a ratings bounce for the Oscar’s? Seems highly unlikely that he would that for any reason other than he snapped.

[oldmanwinters]

And... he's out:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/entertainment/will-smith-resigns-from-academy/index.html

Guess you could say it was a "Swing and a Miss" for Will Smith.

[ChosenOne]

And... he's out:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/entertainment/will-smith-resigns-from-academy/index.html

Guess you could say it was a "Swing and a Miss" for Will Smith.

No way this would end with him just getting a slap on the wrist.

It was a close shave for a moment there, though.

Ah, well... Hair today, gone tomorrow.

[Andrew NDB]

I'll say this... if he does get divorced as the smoke settles, I'll totally concede it was 100% real.

[IMJ]

I believe that it's more likely that eventually the PR for everyone will say this was staged just to save face when it wasn't staged at all than it is likely that it was actually staged.

[joe-eyeball]

I'll say this... if he does get divorced as the smoke settles, I'll totally concede it was 100% real.

Actually I would be likely to take an opposing view. If he divorces her, to me, I’d say it was rigged. I only say that because maybe Will did this as a desperate attempt to embarrass her to the point that she would dump him. In the end I couldn’t care less either way!

[CyberCubed]

Will Smith resigns/banned from the oscars/academy and is likely facing some heavy fines too, but of course it's all pretend!

[Leo656]

Yeah, c'mon. I love ya Andrew, you're one of the best there ever was but there is no f*cking way Will Smith would do all this just to help Chris Rock sell a few more tickets. Smith has the entire world turn on him and call him an asshole, resigns from the Academy and says he's okay if the Academy decides to do anything else by way of punishment... that'd be like cutting off your own arm at the elbow and giving it to your friend so that they can scratch an itch they can't quite reach. Like, it's a NICE thing to do but you'd have to be a complete idiot.

Maybe it's a more interesting story than "He just had too many drinks and lost his sh*t over a lame joke", but THAT is what actually happened regardless.

Time to put this "debate" to bed and start wondering out loud what else, if anything, the Academy will come up with. My guess would be "nothing", since Smith decided to fall on his own sword first, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's reinstated into the Academy at a later date either.

[ZariusTwo]

Will 'Loose Cannon' Smith: I respect you...academy man

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, c'mon. I love ya Andrew, you're one of the best there ever was but there is no f*cking way Will Smith would do all this just to help Chris Rock sell a few more tickets. Smith has the entire world turn on him and call him an asshole, resigns from the Academy and says he's okay if the Academy decides to do anything else by way of punishment... that'd be like cutting off your own arm at the elbow and giving it to your friend so that they can scratch an itch they can't quite reach. Like, it's a NICE thing to do but you'd have to be a complete idiot.

Maybe it's a more interesting story than "He just had too many drinks and lost his sh*t over a lame joke", but THAT is what actually happened regardless.

Time to put this "debate" to bed and start wondering out loud what else, if anything, the Academy will come up with. My guess would be "nothing", since Smith decided to fall on his own sword first, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's reinstated into the Academy at a later date either.

I'm a little less in the "it was definitely a work!" camp now as much as I am in the, "OK, if you're saying 'there is NO REASON at all this could be a hoax camp then you're full of it" camp. And I say that firmly.

Because there is plenty of reasons. These are people with senses of humor, nothing to prove anymore, a grand stage serving to benefit and little to lose at this point. Jada has been at rock bottom career wise for a while now beyond pity appearances, Will did an "important" Oscar winning movie nobody saw (what, "Gemini Man" wasn't Oscar gold either?), and Rock hasn't been a comedian anybody has talked about for years and years. Even for me, him popping up in "Spiral" was like, "Oh yeah! Chris Rock! Where's he been the last 15 years?"

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/6wqFY8h/Screenshot-20220402-031515-Facebook.jpg

Chris Rock instead of Janet Jackson. Will Smith instead of Justin Timberlake. Somewhat. Not 1:1.

[neatoman]

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[IMJ]

:lol:
That lightsaber one was hysterical!

[Andrew NDB]

Ricky Gervais weighs in:

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[neatoman]

"I would have told a joke about her boyfriend"

OK, that's pretty funny. Anyway, what do you people think of the rumor that Will Smith is gay and that's the reason he allows Jada to be with other men? Seems a little unfounded to me.

[Coola Yagami]

"I would have told a joke about her boyfriend"

OK, that's pretty funny. Anyway, what do you people think of the rumor that Will Smith is gay and that's the reason he allows Jada to be with other men? Seems a little unfounded to me.

1- he still have her two kids, he already went all in

2- look at her now. You don't have to be gay to not wanna touch that with someone else's ten foot pole

[Andrew NDB]

Could be John Travolta gay. Meaning he's had long fulfilling straight relationships and kids and all... but every story coming from the grapevine is about him banging dudes on the regular.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Ken Kercheval was prolly gay , ive a letter and the tone in that makes me believe he was in the closet.....the dad on ALF was also gay but married to a woman for decades. MGM forbade Van Johnson to say he was gay.

[Coola Yagami]

How does that work? Like how would they able to go through actually sleeping with their wives if they were gay? It should be as repulsive and nauseating to them as it would be for some straight guy to be forced to give another guy head.

[Leo656]

Most of the guys in porn are gay and they don't seem to have any problem at all banging countless chicks for hours at a time every day. I mean I'm sure the money helps but if it were that "repulsive" to them then they simply wouldn't be able to manage it.

I don't really know how it all works myself, but I think a lot of people seem misinformed about how the whole "being gay" thing actually works.

Meanwhile, as a straight guy I don't mind tellin' ya... pretty creeped out by the sight of vaginas. Like, I obviously like being inside of them but I'd never just sit and stare at one for the aesthetics. Definitely looks like someone got hit with a chainsaw and it never healed right. God should've taken that one back to the drawing board and come up with something a little less visually-disturbing. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Most of the guys in porn are gay and they don't seem to have any problem at all banging countless chicks for hours at a time every day. I mean I'm sure the money helps but if it were that "repulsive" to them then they simply wouldn't be able to manage it.

I don't really know how it all works myself, but I think a lot of people seem misinformed about how the whole "being gay" thing actually works.

Meanwhile, as a straight guy I don't mind tellin' ya... pretty creeped out by the sight of vaginas. Like, I obviously like being inside of them but I'd never just sit and stare at one for the aesthetics. Definitely looks like someone got hit with a chainsaw and it never healed right. God should've taken that one back to the drawing board and come up with something a little less visually-disturbing. :lol:

I hate to be the one to tell you, but there's a ton of different types of vaginas, man. Some that are very aesthetically pleasing... others that look like gunshot victims or some kind of lopsided, sideways duck bill.

[Leo656]

Well I've only had my face in a few, but suffice to say it was never the best part of my day. :lol:

I've also looked at way more porn than most people, and so far, I'm yet to find one I'd actually choose to sit and admire. I got ruined a long time ago; I heard someone call it "the ol' Axe Wound" and ever since then I can't un-see that. :lol:

I've seen some that were a little "less-gross" that others, yeah, definitely. But so far still Zero that I'd gaze upon for any extended length of time. They serve their purpose but they're pretty unattractive on the (w)hole.

Come to think of it, that's not something you even hear much, guys waxing eloquent about how "pretty" a woman's snizz is. You hear them write epic sonnets about boobs and ass but almost never do you hear a guy say, "And also, her c*nt was immaculate." :lol: I'm guessing a lot of guys probably share my thoughts on the subject but don't wanna say so out loud for fear of reprisals.

[neatoman]

I might as well clarify this since I brought it up myself, I do not think Will Smith is a closest gay man, he's probably straight because this whole "open relationship" thing is just about the only piece of evidence to suggest he wouldn't be.

That said, I think there are some skeletons in the closet at the old Smith house.

[Leo656]

So their dumb daughter apparently wrote Tupac a letter ten years ago asking him to "please come back and make Mommy happy again." :lol::roll:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/internet-side-eyes-willow-smith-230833912.html

There's so much we can ascertain from this. Especially since Tupac died long before those kids were even born.

Like, for one thing, we can guess that Jada absolutely wishes she'd been with Tupac instead of Will, and she must say so A LOT if even her kids who've never met the guy put him up on a pedestal. She must have always been outspokenly miserable with Will, for her daughter to write such a thing as "we need you back so Mommy can be happy." Yeesh!

Doing a little more detective work, we can assume Jada didn't end up with Tupac because SHE probably didn't want him to f*ck all the many women he was f*cking (but she most likely wanted to be free to f*ck as many guys as she wanted). And he was probably like, "F*ck that, I can get any woman I want, if you're screwing around then so am I" and so the whole thing went no further. But yeah, it's clear who she WISHED she'd ended up with, if she'd had her way.

Will is Jada's "Runner-Up Trophy" and I bet she never, ever lets him forget it. What a sh*t situation. It's amazing the guy finds the will to keep going, really. This exact situation is how a ton of murder-suicides happen. If they weren't rich and famous, it probably would've gone that far by now.

I might as well clarify this since I brought it up myself, I do not think Will Smith is a closest gay man, he's probably straight because this whole "open relationship" thing is just about the only piece of evidence to suggest he wouldn't be.

That said, I think there are some skeletons in the closet at the old Smith house.

Ironically enough, there's always been a ton of speculation that Jada's "one true love" Tupac WAS, in fact, a closeted gay man (or at the very least bisexual). I don't think he ever really denied it, either, in fact with the lip gloss and guyliner I think he kinda had some fun leaning into it, since the black community is notoriously hateful of gay people and yet there's no way they'd ever turn on someone as successful and entrenched in their culture as he was.

I don't know if he was or wasn't. I kinda think he was bi, he had a few tendencies. But the rumor was always there, regardless.

Maybe THAT'S why he and Jada never ended up together; maybe he wanted to be free to go both ways and she wasn't into it. I mean it's become rather fashionable now and a lot of chicks are outspoken about that being one of their fantasies, but back in the mid-90s women were more hateful towards gay/bi people than guys were, even. I can believe that could've been a factor.

[Coola Yagami]

Doing a little more detective work, we can assume Jada didn't end up with Tupac because SHE probably didn't want him to f*ck all the many women he was f*cking (but she most likely wanted to be free to f*ck as many guys as she wanted). And he was probably like, "F*ck that, I can get any woman I want, if you're screwing around then so am I" and so the whole thing went no further. But yeah, it's clear who she WISHED she'd ended up with, if she'd had her way.



Typical modern day hoe. She wants to sleep around but it's a problem if her guy does it.

[Prowler]

If people want to sleep around... why even get in a relationship? I thought the point of a relationship was precisely becoming exclusive to that person?

I don't believe in open relationships. I don't care that there might 4 or 5 successful ones. The vast majority can't be. And if they are... then that's not love. That's two people who just happen to have sex together occasionally.

[Coola Yagami]

If people want to sleep around... why even get in a relationship? I thought the point of a relationship was precisely becoming exclusive to that person?

I don't believe in open relationships. I don't care that there might 4 or 5 successful ones. The vast majority can't be. And if they are... then that's not love. That's two people who just happen to have sex together occasionally.

Because of everything else. They want a relationship where the guy provides the girl with everything, buying her stuff, paying for dinners, taking her to new places, etc. They just don't want to understand that all of that comes with being faithful. They want their guy to give them everything and still sleep around. That's why some get so upset when caught, not cause they broke their man's heart, but because their free ride is over.

Like Jada wants all the money, fame, big fancy house, etc, everything a woman would get by being married to someone like Will Smith.... But still sleep around.

[Anarchistguy]

I don't believe in open relationships. I don't care that there might 4 or 5 successful ones. The vast majority can't be. And if they are... then that's not love. That's two people who just happen to have sex together occasionally.

Exactly. I don't believe in them either.

Open relationships: asking permission to cheat.

That's why some get so upset when caught, not cause they broke their man's heart, but because their free ride is over.

Precisely! There's no remorse. They only feel bad because they got caught!

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty much. Getting in a relationship is basically "You agree not to see anyone else as long as I promise to do the same? OK, deal!"

Because otherwise you're just buddies.

[Coola Yagami]

Exactly. I don't believe it either.

Open relationships: asking permission to cheat.

And then it's a problem if the other partner also now wants permission to cheat.

Despite it being 'open' one partner always benefits more than the other. Usually the problems start once the one with the shorter end of the stick finally wakes up.

[Anarchistguy]

And then it's a problem if the other partner also now wants permission to cheat.

Despite it being 'open' one partner always benefits more than the other. Usually the problems start once the one with the shorter end of the stick finally wakes up.

That's because these so-called open relationships rarely benefit both parties. They're not actually about exploration, adventure or being open-minded. There's always a selfish motive involved...

[AquaParade]

I'm sure for some people it works. Most people would feel jealous or possessive, myself included, but not everyone is wired that way.

I hear you guys though. I've seen the wrong side of it with my own two eyes. My buddies wife cheated on him - with the best man - which led to the "solution" of an open-relationship, which went how one might expect - she got some and he didn't.
Then they divorced.

[Coola Yagami]

That's because these so-called open relationships rarely benefit both parties. They're not actually about exploration, adventure or being open-minded. There's always a selfish motive involved...

Ah but you see, there's the rub. Usually one person tries to sell it as exploration and whatever else and the other person is either too stupid or too much of a soyboy little bitch to actually stand up and say 'hell no'.

Eventually the idiot will either wake up and be like 'hey wait a minute....' or will finally find his balls and end it.

Most of the time it's a woman and 2 guys combo. You very rarely find a guy with 2 women unless the women are bi bordering on gay where the poor guy is just watching.

Women would rather be 'the side chick' to a married guy than actually openly share him with someone in a so-called open relationship.

Of course all my examples are in the 'not all' category. I'm sure there might be one girl ok with 2 guys, though usually the guys are bi and they **** each other as much as they **** the girl. It's when everyone is straight that's the problem. Eventually jealousy will rear its ugly head.

[Anarchistguy]

Some women would rather share a player than have a loser to themselves. It's pretty crazy

[Anarchistguy]

(Please disregard this double reply)

[Coola Yagami]

Some women would rather share a player than have a loser to themselves. It's pretty crazy

True that. Everyone would rather share a winner than date a loser.

All these women can't be that dumb, most must subconsciously know that Mr Moneybags is never going to leave his wife. They just don't want the thrill to end and lie to themselves as much as they need to.

[Anarchistguy]

True that. Everyone would rather share a winner than date a loser.

All these women can't be that dumb, most must subconsciously know that Mr Moneybags is never going to leave his wife. They just don't want the thrill to end and lie to themselves as much as they need to.

When the wake up call comes...it's gonna hurt like hell to them.

[Prowler]

Now I'm sure someone will come ITT to lecture us on how "humans aren't meant to be monogamous creatures".

Well, humans are animals but we're rational ones. Otherwise why would we have society norms and rules? Why do we stand in line waiting for our turn instead of fighting each other to death and adopt a winner takes all approach?

So yeah, don't give me that BS argument please.

It's funny because defending people sleeping around seems like a way to bring society back to the 50s. Difference being, back then men were the ones who had mistresses, while nowadays it seems like some young women want it to be their turn to have lovers and chest in their husbands.

A lot of the people who demand equality don't actually want it. They are just saying "now it's our turn!"
It goes for all sort of activists, whether it's feminazis or BLM.

[Anarchistguy]

Now I'm sure someone will come ITT to lecture us on how "humans aren't meant to be monogamous creatures".

Well, humans are animals but we're rational ones. Otherwise why would we have society norms and rules? Why do we stand in line waiting for our turn instead of fighting each other to death and adopt a winner takes all approach?

So yeah, don't give me that BS argument please.

It's funny because defending people sleeping around seems like a way to bring society back to the 50s. Difference being, back then men were the ones who had mistresses, while nowadays it seems like some young women want it to be their turn to have lovers and chest in their husbands.

A lot of the people who demand equality don't actually want it. They are just saying "now it's our turn!"
It goes for all sort of activists, whether it's feminazis or BLM.

For the most part, feminism today isn't about equality. It's about usurping and diminishing men.

[Andrew NDB]

For the most part, feminism today isn't about equality. It's about usurping and diminishing men.

The opposite. Replacing women with men, who can be better women. Apparently.

[ZariusTwo]

Ten year ban

https://news.sky.com/story/will-smith-barred-from-academy-events-for-10-years-over-chris-rock-slap-on-stage-12584147

[Leo656]

Yikes!

...Maybe he should come out and admit it was all a work to sell a few more tickets to Chris Rock's shows, huh? :trazz:

Seriously though, that's a bit harsh. I honestly expected that him resigning in advance would mitigate some of the punishment, but I guess I can see the Academy's point. He technically committed misdemeanor assault on their stage at the biggest awards show of the year and in so doing made a mockery of the entire event for years to come.

10 years though? At his age and ever-decreasing relevance he's basically been banned from ever winning an Oscar again, or at least accepting one in person. Seems a bit excessive. But then I slap lots of people for lots of reasons so my personal views on how far is "too far" are probably skewed.

Many people and entertainers are pointing out that the radio silence from Jada is deafening. This is ALL her fault for emasculating Will to the point where he felt he had to "reclaim his manhood" and look where it got him. And her? She's on camera laughing as it happened. Yet not a single word on the subject from her. What a trash human being.

[DarkFell]

Ten years of no entry from The Oscars should give Will plenty of time to get his head cleared, and for him to decide on what to do about his marriage issue.

Maybe, it's also a much needed break from the public.

[Prowler]

Not to mention the Academy seems inconsistent. I mean, did they ever wipe the names of the likes of Roman Polanski and Harvey Weinstein off the Oscar winners records? And are they banned from ever attending the cerimony again? What they did wa such worse than what Will Smith did. Even though Will Smith did it in public and during the ceremony, it's not like he's getting in legla2 trouble for doing it since Chris Rock did not press charges on him.

[AquaParade]

He got off easy if you ask me. So he was kicked out of their stupid little club. It’s a joke anyway. Break the rules, get kicked out for a while. Not so bad. He already won.

The real punishment comes more from the damage to his reputation.

[Prowler]

How does that work? Like how would they able to go through actually sleeping with their wives if they were gay? It should be as repulsive and nauseating to them as it would be for some straight guy to be forced to give another guy head.

There have been many cases in the past of men who were gay but had to keep it a secret since society didn't accept it or even was illegal in their country to be gay. Therefore they married a woman in order to hide it.

My mother knew a woman who was married to the same man for 30 years. One day, suddenly, he got home and asked her for the divorce, because he had fallen in love with a man. This came as a shock to his wife. She had never even suspected he could be gay or bi.

How some women don't notice it? Well back in the day a lot of people married their very first bf/gf and married them rather young, sometimes even as young as 18-19. That means a lot of people from older generations only had sex with their own spouses. So maybe those women just assume that's what sex is like. They have no other men to compare their husbands to.

Some people just live a lie and try to tell themselves they're not something they are for most of their lives. Gay men in the closet who are married with women isn't as uncommon as you might think. Or at least wasn't so back in the day where gays tended to avoid being on the public eye.

[Coola Yagami]

There have been many cases in the past of men who were gay but had to keep it a secret since society didn't accept it or even was illegal in their country to be gay. Therefore they married a woman in order to hide it.

My mother knew a woman who was married to the same man for 30 years. One day, suddenly, he got home and asked her for the divorce, because he had fallen in love with a man. This came as a shock to his wife. She had never even suspected he could be gay or bi.

How some women don't notice it? Well back in the day a lot of people married their very first bf/gf and married them rather young, sometimes even as young as 18-19. That means a lot of people from older generations only had sex with their own spouses. So maybe those women just assume that's what sex is like. They have no other men to compare their husbands to.

Some people just live a lie and try to tell themselves they're not something they are for most of their lives. Gay men in the closet who are married with women isn't as uncommon as you might think. Or at least wasn't so back in the day where gays tended to avoid being on the public eye.

I'm just confused on the sex part. Now if you married a woman for the sake of public appearance and she was in on it, you just.... don't sleep together and she can lie with her buddies about how awesome you are in bed or whatever. But these women that are married for so many years that didn't know were obviously sleeping with them.

I mean, I just can't see myself with a guy. I'm thinking it's the same with a gay guy having to actually perform with a woman. I just don't know how they can do it, unless they're actually bi but prefer men.

[Splinter the boss]

He got off easy if you ask me. So he was kicked out of their stupid little club. It’s a joke anyway. Break the rules, get kicked out for a while. Not so bad. He already won.

The real punishment comes more from the damage to his reputation.

He got what he deserves, if you ask me. There are some things you just don't do to people. But yeah. The real damage comes to his reputation. Worldwide, nobody will ever watch A Will Smith movie the same way ever again, all that for what? a joke ur cheating wife didn't like? He's a joke now lol

[Coola Yagami]

Ten years of no entry from The Oscars should give Will plenty of time to get his head cleared, and for him to decide on what to do about his marriage issue.

Maybe, it's also a much needed break from the public.

Obviously they can't do something like that but if they could, I'd say he's no longer allowed in til he divorces Jada. Like if I were in charge I'd make up some other reason for the public eye but the real reason behind closed doors would be either ditch the bitch or be banned for life.

[Anarchistguy]

Even then, I'm pretty sure he'd choose to stay with Jada. He's that far gone.

[Coola Yagami]

Even then, I'm pretty sure he'd choose to stay with Jada. He's that far gone.

Yep, forget the year, Will won Beta Bitch Cuck Award of the decade. Like I said, he's living proof that even with looks, money and fame, nice guys can still finish last.

I hope whoever Keanu gets treats him right. He's another dude known for being Mr. Nice. Just the right kind of sucker for some manipulative bitch to sink her claws into.

I swear, the world hates nice people. Loves to chew them up and spit them out.

[Anarchistguy]

It's not so much being nice but more about being spineless. You can be nice and know when to put your foot down.

[Coola Yagami]

It's not so much being nice but more about being spineless. You can be nice and know when to put your foot down.

Sadly a lot of people equate nice with spinless. That's why we have all these 'open' relationships these days. Too many soyboys that are too spineless to put their foot down. No matter how much they grin and tell themselves 'this is ok', deep down they're crying and asking themselves why aren't they enough for their woman to the point that she doesn't need a second guy to complete her.

[Prowler]

Gay dudes for a long time didn't really have any other option. And any probably tried to convince themselves they weren't gay considering how harsh society judged homosexuality.

Us straight men never had to hide our sexual orientation, therefore it's hard to imagine a straight guy pretending to be gay and marrying another guy to cover-up for it.

Nobody will ever watch a Wll Smith movie the same way again is a bit of an exaggeration. We're not taking about Roman Polanski here. Will Smith just simply did something stupid and looked like a fool in public. Not the first celebrity to do something stupid and certainly won't be the last. We're all simply laughing at him. No one is gonna feel dirty for watching Man in Black again. Or at least they should not.

Separating the art from the artist seems like a pretty easy thing to do in this case. I'm not on Will Smith's side at all, but it's not like I hate him or that I think he did something unforgivable.

[Coola Yagami]

Us straight men never had to hide our sexual orientation, therefore it's hard to imagine a straight guy pretending to be gay and marrying another guy to cover-up for it.



Yeah though I'm talking about actually doing the deed. Marriage is marriage, if ever came to gunpoint or whatever, I can pretend to marry a guy, but nothing is gonna make me actually **** the guy or get the ****ed by the guy without me throwing up or considering ending myself afterwards.

That's more of the point I'm talking about. If the wife is in on it, they can marry and smile for the general public and be like 'see? I'm straight, hello there fellow heterosexuals' and whatever, I'm just wondering how they go through with it if ever the wife wants to ****.

[Splinter the boss]

I meant from now on, watching a will smith movie, people will tend to always remember this incident. I know I will.

[Leo656]

Not to mention the Academy seems inconsistent. I mean, did they ever wipe the names of the likes of Roman Polanski and Harvey Weinstein off the Oscar winners records?

Polanski is still hugely popular among the Hollywood elite. Liberals, as a rule, get a lot more angry about one grown man slapping another grown man than they do about a grown man f*cking a 13-year old girl in the ass. Which makes more sense in context when you realize that Right Now they're all going to war about teaching sex ed to Kindergarten kids. People on the Left swear they're not pro-pedo, but facts really don't seem to back that up. Considering what they're doing in schools and the fact that not too long ago Polanski was still getting standing ovations at awards shows and people like Susan Sarandon still rave about what a wonderful guy he is.

The Polanski Loophole that most liberals use is that "it was apparently consensual", but last time I checked that really wasn't supposed to matter.

Anyway yeah he's still "okay" in Hollywood's eyes. Like he legally can't attend an Oscars ceremony but most people would love to have him. Go figure.

[Andrew NDB]

Jada never wanted to get married to Will:

https://nypost.com/2022/04/08/jada-pinkett-smith-never-wanted-to-marry-will-cried-at-horrible-wedding/

[TigerClaw]

Jada never wanted to get married to Will:

https://nypost.com/2022/04/08/jada-pinkett-smith-never-wanted-to-marry-will-cried-at-horrible-wedding/
Because being married, you have to commit to one another and not see other people, Something Jada has been doing behind is back, Its why they agree upon this "Open Marriage".

[Leo656]

SHE agreed to an "open marriage". HE agreed to "I love this dizzy broad for whatever reason so whatever she wants to do, I'm fine with."

Amazingly, he could 100% get any woman he wants and he chose Her. And for the life of me I can't imagine why. She was never all that great looking and she's clearly a toxic whore. What's the appeal? And hasn't Will ever heard that "You can't make a Ho into a Housewife?" To top it all off, they raised two kids in this environment and now they're all completely wrecked, too.

It's just one of the saddest situations I've ever seen. And I'm something of an expert on toxic/abusive relationships, since that's pretty much the only kind anyone on my one side of the family ever seems to know how to have, and so the "toxic" relationships I've witnessed up close far outnumber the "good" ones. BUT, at least in most of those situations eventually someone had the good sense to leave.

I'm sure that in the past Jada probably told him, "Here's how much money I want if we split" and it must have been staggering, so Will just suffers through it. But c'mon, man, you NEED to get a prenup. I don't wanna hear about how "It means you expect the relationship to fail, you lack faith in your partner," any of that happy horsesh*t... the odds are WAY against anyone who gets married so if you have a brain you NEED to get that prenup. If you're rich and don't get one... Jesus Christ, you're a moron. All I can figure is, if Jada left it would ruin Will financially and he doesn't want to deal with it.

OR... less likely, Will might have some major skeletons in his closet and doesn't wanna let her go because he's afraid she'd spill the tea on him. Kinda doubt it, but you never know.

Anyways, no, HE never "agreed" to any of this nonsense, and that's very clear by this point. SHE agreed to an open marriage and he just puts up with it because he doesn't have a spine.

[Coola Yagami]

Yep, pretty much all you have to do is take a look at the 'main guy' and then take a look at the 'new addition', and that pretty much tells you that the main guy never really agreed to the open relationship no matter what he tells you or what he tells himself.

[Prowler]

I meant from now on, watching a will smith movie, people will tend to always remember this incident. I know I will.
Sure, but it's not like it will ruin your enjoyment. It's not a disturbing thing.


Yeah though I'm talking about actually doing the deed. Marriage is marriage, if ever came to gunpoint or whatever, I can pretend to marry a guy, but nothing is gonna make me actually **** the guy or get the ****ed by the guy without me throwing up or considering ending myself afterwards.

That's more of the point I'm talking about. If the wife is in on it, they can marry and smile for the general public and be like 'see? I'm straight, hello there fellow heterosexuals' and whatever, I'm just wondering how they go through with it if ever the wife wants to ****.

Actually a lot of times even their wives were not on it.

As for how gay men were able to get on with it and have sex with a woman, that I have no idea either. I guess they viewed it as some sort of experiment thing to test out if they were gay or not. And eventually, as years go by and people get older, couples have less and less sex and eventually no longer have it.

Polanski is still hugely popular among the Hollywood elite. Liberals, as a rule, get a lot more angry about one grown man slapping another grown man than they do about a grown man f*cking a 13-year old girl in the ass. Which makes more sense in context when you realize that Right Now they're all going to war about teaching sex ed to Kindergarten kids. People on the Left swear they're not pro-pedo, but facts really don't seem to back that up. Considering what they're doing in schools and the fact that not too long ago Polanski was still getting standing ovations at awards shows and people like Susan Sarandon still rave about what a wonderful guy he is.

The Polanski Loophole that most liberals use is that "it was apparently consensual", but last time I checked that really wasn't supposed to matter.

Anyway yeah he's still "okay" in Hollywood's eyes. Like he legally can't attend an Oscars ceremony but most people would love to have him. Go figure.

Something doesn't add up here...

The fat left and feminists and the likes are the ones who helped the #MeToo movement and also the ones who are quick to cancel and accuse a guy for being creepy or a potential abuser. So how come are they defending Polanski now? Doesn't make sense.

People are often incoherent and hypocritical, anyway. Regardless of their political beliefs or beliefs in whatever. So maybe there are indeed far-left folks out there who give Polanski a pass because they liked his movies. I guess it sucks knowing one of your favourite people in the entertainment industry did something messed up and awful, but eventually you gotta reflect if it's worth it to keep on being a fan of them.

I liked Chris Benoit as a wrestler, but suddenly his wrestling ability no longer mattered to me after he was revealed to be the killer of his own wife and son. Granted Benoit wasn't a top 5 favourite of mine. Maybe if Undertaker or Austin had done something like that, it would have been harder for me to stop being a fan of their work. But I'd like to believe I'd throw their action figures in the trash on the very same day such news would break out.

I am not a fan of idol worshipping. I don't expect the creators of my favourite works to be saints. But, afaik, none of them are rapists. That being said, a lot of people are involved when it comes to movies. The Pianist and other Polanski films aren't single-handedly his work. The actors cast in them, the script writers and the producers also helped make those movies successful. So I think people can keep on enjoying his films even if they hate the man himself.

If suddenly, Eastman and Laird were revealed to have done something unforgivable, perhaps it would ruin the Mirage comics for us. But not most of of the rest of TMNT out there.

[Andrew NDB]

Just watched this. And jeeze.

-MfudVmcHFA

[AquaParade]

I'm gonna start saying that when I disagree with you all around here: "I am still dealin' with this foolishness."

[mrmaczaps]

An "open marriage" is not a marriage at all. Smith is stupid & needs to have his head examined, but not for smacking Chris Rock, but for staying with his cheating whore wife. But then ALL of hollyweird is pretty much like this & dysfunctional. The entire lot of em are creepy & fake and d@mn near all of them lie & cheat.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

An "open marriage" is not a marriage at all. Smith is stupid & needs to have his head examined, but not for smacking Chris Rock, but for staying with his cheating whore wife. But then ALL of hollyweird is pretty much like this & dysfunctional. The entire lot of em are creepy & fake and d@mn near all of them lie & cheat.

Agreed. Well said.

[ZariusTwo]

And to no surprise, Will and Jada are on the rocks

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/will-smith-jada-ugly-divorce-26747936

[neatoman]

So the first time someone brought this up to me IRL was a few days ago. I was talking about Licorice Pizza to my dad and I mentioned I knew who Jon Peters was because of his "Giant Spider" obsession that wormed it's way into Wild Wild West, which my dad refered to as starring "That guy who slapped someone". Kind of weird to hear Will Smith refered to as "That guy who slapped someone" rather than by name, I guess it has gone beyond overshadowing his Oscar to overshadowing his actual name. :lol:

[Sumac]

You either live as hero or become "That guy who slapped someone".
That's a pity.

I like Smith's movies and he himself seems to be a relatively nice guy. Hopefully he can bounce from this ****.

[Coola Yagami]

You either live as hero or become "That guy who slapped someone".
That's a pity.

I like Smith's movies and he himself seems to be a relatively nice guy. Hopefully he can bounce from this ****.

That was part of the problem, or at least when it came to choosing someone like Jada. Bitches like her chew nice guys up and spit them out.

Will Smith with all his fame, money and looks proves sometimes it doesn't pay to be nice no matter what.

Jada probably saw the big target on his back.

[IMJ]

And to no surprise, Will and Jada are on the rocks

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/will-smith-jada-ugly-divorce-26747936

Oh you better believe that a narcissist like Jada isn't going down with that ship. The next thing will be her public story about how much it pains her to see the path that Will has gone down along with some bull$#@!( about how she had to move on for her own good and how you can't help someone who doesn't want it.

She'll say anything that signals her strong-independent-decision-making to whatever sheep following she has.

I think there is truly enough public evidence, commentary, and examples of interaction between them clearly indicating his inexplicable-attachment to her; along with her complete disdain for the relationship; and most likely her lack of true positive emotions towards Will.

[Sumac]

I expect, if Will pull out of this "relationshit", there will be allegations about harassments or violence, per usual program.

[Anarchistguy]

I expect, if Will pull out of this "relationshit", there will be allegations about harassments or violence, per usual program.

She'll be taking him to the cleaners, I can tell ya that!

[Andrew NDB]

She'll be taking him to the cleaners, I can tell ya that!

Guaranteed she's threatened him as such. "Yeah? You're gonna leave? I'll RUIN you!"

[Hamato Yoshi]

Uncle Phil wouldve thrown him off the stage like he threw Jazz :lol::lol::D

In the end these are just entertainers , not role models.....theyre modern day (overpaid) court jesters , nothing more

Bruce Lee likely died of coke but his estate tried to cover over it cuz $$$ , even worse he prolly sold drugs with his wife , why else would he ask about a scale weight in one of his drug letters :cry:

[Cowabung-Gal]

Will wasn’t defending his woman.

He was defending his mistress.

[Andrew NDB]

Will releases a video statement.

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Awkward. Chris Rock won't talk to him and Will apologizes to Jada for some reason.

[Sumac]

At least Will had guts to apologize. That's something.
I like him, regardless what shitshow his family life is. Hope things work out for him.

[oldmanwinters]

So Smith may have done the slappin’ but he’s the one looking silly.

I have heard it said, “The longer one tries the make an apology, the more likely one is to start creating a self apologetic.”

[Sumac]

Funny thing, SJWs are supporting him and his actions, but its a usual LARPing as tough guys, like they do when someone starts riots somewhere.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Heh, at first everyone thought it was all a joke and laughed.

Then Will started yelling and cursing at Chris.

Crowd:
https://y.yarn.co/026492d0-db94-4c52-823b-e302a3ff2f71_text.gif

[Andrew NDB]

It's funny; that slap made him look like the biggest simp on the planet. He was going for the tough guy routine and only made himself look like a big cuck. He's now making himself look even worse by apologizing again.

And even weaving in an apology for Jada? For Jada? Wtf, man.

I do retract my earlier fun theory about Smith and Rock staging this for mutual reasonings between them. No way Smith would be acting this pathetic now if that was the outcome that was always planned.

[Andrew NDB]

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Turns out they've been separated for 7 years.

[XERO]

It's funny, I just discovered Brett Cooper last week. Haha. I've been watching her vids ever since.

[Coola Yagami]

Will is the cuck of the year. Like, it's clear he knows this is wrong and this isn't how a real marriage is supposed to go.....he's just too much of a bitch to speak up.

[Cowabung-Gal]

he's just too much of a bitch to speak up.

Well he does scream like a girl:

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[IMJ]

Will is the cuck of the year. Like, it's clear he knows this is wrong and this isn't how a real marriage is supposed to go.....he's just too much of a bitch to speak up.

It is pretty pathetic at this point. The real killer is that Jada has nothing left. She has literally maintained celebrity interview status for several years now on absolutely nothing but talking $#! about her "husband", 'ex-husband", "entanglement" nonsense.

She has less integrity than a Kardashian. Absolutely bottom feeder.