Gas prices

[mrmaczaps]

So Dromers, what're fuel costs around you & how much does that astronomically suck?

If you don't drive or pay for fuel for any regular usage just watch....

And remember, as fuel prices rise so does EVERYTHING else...

Gas in the dirty lew is, last I saw this morning, $5.09 a gallon at the 2 stations I go by daily. As someone on a fixed income that hasn't increased at the rate of 60%+ in the last 2 years, the price of fuel is killing me. Almost but not quite literally. And I don't usually go far at all... And have a motorcycle. [Currently thats broken down, with a full tank of gas mind you.]

This is the highest price for a gallon of gas I have ever seen in my entire 41+ years of life. In the last 90s when I started driving, gas was just over $1.25ish and got as low as 85-88 cents a gallon. I can only wish gas was that cheap today. Fill the bike for $2 and go ANYWHERE I want... that would be amazing.

Now, while the Pedo Pres is not directly responsible in total for fuel prices being so high at least 3 things he has signed or not signed, as the case may be, have directly caused the price of fuel to skyrocket. Not renewing the leases on two drilling locations and killing the pipeline day one of his disastrous installation.

I'm not actually looking to piss anyone off with this... but if it does that, I'm not going to cry about it. *shrug* Cry more. :tlol:

[neatoman]

I don't care, I live a city with a functioning public transit system. I have never gotten a driver's license nor do I care about getting one.

[oldmanwinters]

$4.99 this week. Highest so far.

[mrmaczaps]

I don't care, I live a city with a functioning public transit system. I have never gotten a driver's license nor do I care about getting one.

Shhh. Not all of us have access to timely public transport. When they fail tho... "shrug"

$4.99 this week. Highest so far.

Insane huh? I used to drive an hour one way to work and spent most of my pay for fuel in those days. And that was under $2 a gallon. I'd have to live in my car these days... and that employer would have had my car towed... oddly enough.

[Jester]

Used my Kroger points to take my last fill up to $4.00 a gallon.

[IndigoErth]

Put in 5 gallons a few days ago at $4.79, the most I've personally paid. It has more or less been around $4.59 recently, but figures it went up when I needed a little.


You wanna talk about presidents, well since the last guy basically forced OPEC to cut production to increase prices because he felt that too low of prices was bad, that production cut was supposed to expire by the end of this past April, right? I'd really like to know if they are bothering to ramp production back up again and when that might help things at least a little. :tconfuse:


Edit: Okay, I guess new info out there is saying they plan to up production for July and August. Though that would have been nice had they just done it once that deal to cut production expired instead of having to have talks and new deals just to produce more.... eesh.



I'm not actually looking to piss anyone off with this...
Cry more. :tlol:
Make up your mind if you are or aren't.

[mrmaczaps]

Thanks to whoever keeps fixing my double posts into one...

Indigo, I'm not a fan of gun grabbing Trump.... cry harder. I did enjoy the low gas prices tho.

[sdp]

You should've invested in an electric car. Have fun paying high prices for your dirty fuel. #sorrynotsorry

[mrmaczaps]

You should've invested in an electric car. Have fun paying high prices for your dirty fuel. #sorrynotsorry

Your eco-unfriendly slave labor cars won't save you, jackwagon. Gasoline is far cleaner than your e-cars. Buy a clue. Do some research. How is your battery made? What happens when it stops taking a charge or gets damaged? Hows the child labor laws where they're made?

[Mayhem]

Just under $10 equivalent here right now. So you can't go bitching about high prices because the US is still some of the lowest in the first world heh. One thing I'll agree on, I've been driving nearly 30 years and definitely the most expensive I've ever seen it. I recall the horror and protests nearly 20 years ago when the price jumped about 33% in the space of a week, but even at its highest back then, it was still 60% of the price it is now!

[Leo656]

Let's Go Brandon.:trazz:

[superstaff]

Let's Go Brandon.:trazz:

'Brandon', and all the other corrupt politicians that are doing this worldwide. Tbh, I hate calling him Brandon. It feels like it's almost an endearing nickname at this point even if it's not meant to be. I hate his guts, along with all the scum that are manipulating the masses.

Oh, and on gas prices, it's almost $5 here for me. Not as high as other places, but it's still affecting my savings.

By the way, people, spare us the condescending 'just use public transit' advice. Not everyone can hop on a bus to take them anywhere and everywhere. It's not even ideal since public transit isn't even reliable. I used to have to take the bus to go to my work, and at one point, the bus would come way later than scheduled. I'd come in late to my job, to which my bosses got pissed at me, and didn't give a damn that it was due to my public transit bus being late. "Take an earlier bus" they'd tell me, even though the earlier bus was more than an hour early (even then, it sometimes wouldn't come on time either). It's more time consuming, unreliable, requires cash, won't take you to every place at any time, and more.

[Leo656]

NJ is absolutely terrible with public transportation. In this state if you don't drive you're effectively a prisoner in your own home unless you've got someone wiling to do you a ton of favors.

Even when I'd just be trying to get a Lyft or an Uber, which were provided for me through insurance while I was doing my outpatient treatments a few years ago, they'd tell me upfront "Expect them to be an hour early or an hour late." Tell them that's not gonna cut it, because A. This is a medical appointment, and B. Afterwards I go straight to work, therefore "just be an hour late" isn't gonna work AT ALL... they just say "Well, that's the way it works. Explain it to your boss." Oh, I did... how well do you think he took it?

Public trans is fine if you're in a city. Most of us don't have that luxury as an option.

I hate calling him Brandon. It feels like it's almost an endearing nickname at this point even if it's not meant to be.

I just call him "dickface". :lol:

[superstaff]

NJ is absolutely terrible with public transportation. In this state if you don't drive you're effectively a prisoner in your own home unless you've got someone wiling to do you a ton of favors.

Yep, learned that the hard way. I ended up taking taxis eventually ($7 one way). This was in 2009-2012 before Lyft and stuff existed. Which brings me to...

Even when I'd just be trying to get a Lyft or an Uber, which were provided for me through insurance while I was doing my outpatient treatments a few years ago, they'd tell me upfront "Expect them to be an hour early or an hour late." Tell them that's not gonna cut it, because A. This is a medical appointment, and B. Afterwards I go straight to work, therefore "just be an hour late" isn't gonna work AT ALL... they just say "Well, that's the way it works. Explain it to your boss." Oh, I did... how well do you think he took it?

Can I just say that taxi cabs are more reliable than Uber and Lyft? The drivers are also just the greatest. Some of the best strangers I ever met. :lol: One of them literally saved me because he explained some landlord-tenant laws to me that helped me avoid an illegal eviction back then. I feel like Uber drivers are just...ornery, and ready to pick a fight, at least in my few experiences with them.

Public trans is fine if you're in a city. Most of us don't have that luxury as an option.

Yeah, in my suburban neighborhood, there is ONE bus, and it takes you into Pennsylvania.

I just call him "dickface". :lol:

Perfection. :D

[mrmaczaps]

Just under $10 equivalent here right now. So you can't go bitching about high prices because the US is still some of the lowest in the first world heh. One thing I'll agree on, I've been driving nearly 30 years and definitely the most expensive I've ever seen it. I recall the horror and protests nearly 20 years ago when the price jumped about 33% in the space of a week, but even at its highest back then, it was still 60% of the price it is now!

I can and will complain if I wish to do so.

Let's Go Brandon.:trazz:

'Brandon', and all the other corrupt politicians that are doing this worldwide. Tbh, I hate calling him Brandon. It feels like it's almost an endearing nickname at this point even if it's not meant to be. I hate his guts, along with all the scum that are manipulating the masses.

Oh, and on gas prices, it's almost $5 here for me. Not as high as other places, but it's still affecting my savings.

By the way, people, spare us the condescending 'just use public transit' advice. Not everyone can hop on a bus to take them anywhere and everywhere. It's not even ideal since public transit isn't even reliable. I used to have to take the bus to go to my work, and at one point, the bus would come way later than scheduled. I'd come in late to my job, to which my bosses got pissed at me, and didn't give a damn that it was due to my public transit bus being late. "Take an earlier bus" they'd tell me, even though the earlier bus was more than an hour early (even then, it sometimes wouldn't come on time either). It's more time consuming, unreliable, requires cash, won't take you to every place at any time, and more.

NJ is absolutely terrible with public transportation. In this state if you don't drive you're effectively a prisoner in your own home unless you've got someone wiling to do you a ton of favors.

Even when I'd just be trying to get a Lyft or an Uber, which were provided for me through insurance while I was doing my outpatient treatments a few years ago, they'd tell me upfront "Expect them to be an hour early or an hour late." Tell them that's not gonna cut it, because A. This is a medical appointment, and B. Afterwards I go straight to work, therefore "just be an hour late" isn't gonna work AT ALL... they just say "Well, that's the way it works. Explain it to your boss." Oh, I did... how well do you think he took it?

Public trans is fine if you're in a city. Most of us don't have that luxury as an option.



I just call him "dickface". :lol:

I call him JoePedo... like the dude who made Pinocchio... even tho Biden is the puppet.

There are almost no Ubers/Lyfts around here and as "public transport" they required useless & dangerous mask wearing in order to use. Same for buses, taxis and trains none of which were running through where I live or exist. Buses were mostly down, same for taxis and there are no trains for passengers in the area.

JoePedo is directly responsible for the EO from day one shutting down the pipeline as well as his EOs that shutdown US drilling & our self reliability for making fuel. This admin is making America more reliant on our ENEMIES... importing baby food? Importing other sh!t we should be making ourselves. America falls, so does the rest of the world. We cannot keep paying for everything by way of democrats writing EOs & sending money/arms to Ukraine. Fvck Joe Biden & his admin.

Electric cars are a non-starter around here too. There are no charging stations and come winter, they'd be stuck pretty much in the driveway. Talked to a police officer who was given one for work. He can take it the 18 miles from his house to his job, leave it plugged in at work all day long & then take it home. He has no charging station at home. If he goes anywhere else, it dies on him in his driveway. And its not even cold out. They're verifiably terrible for the environment as well. Slave labor to dig out the contents of the batteries. Also, more dead kids cuz doing that sh!t is dangerous to their health because they get no protective gear...

[AquaParade]

I feel really lucky to be working from home. I'd be pissed if I had to drive every day to get to a job that is barely covering the price of gas. That would have been me five years ago.

If any of you are dealing with that, you don't deserve it.

[Leo656]

My one buddy has a Tesla and he's on the road a lot. On average he spends an hour out of his day charging it. He swears it's awesome but to me that seems like a huge gigantic hassle. Like entire chunks of his daily life need to be scheduled around whether or not he can get to a charge station. Imagine telling someone you're gonna be 30+ minutes late to work because "I gotta stop and get gas"? They'll call you an irresponsible asshole with poor time management skills, and you'll be looking for another job in short order. But if you drive a Tesla and say you're gonna be 60+ minutes late for work because you need to 1. Find a charging station and 2. Sit there like a numbnuts until your car is sufficiently charged, it's "Oh, that's okay, just get here when you can." :roll:

I'm not up on the other Pros and Cons of electric cars, but as someone who's primarily motivated by self-interest I can say that I'm not interested purely due to the inconvenience factor. I'll be dead in 25-ish years, I could care less what happens to the planet after that.

[superstaff]

Electric cars are a non-starter around here too. There are no charging stations and come winter, they'd be stuck pretty much in the driveway. Talked to a police officer who was given one for work. He can take it the 18 miles from his house to his job, leave it plugged in at work all day long & then take it home. He has no charging station at home. If he goes anywhere else, it dies on him in his driveway. And its not even cold out. They're verifiably terrible for the environment as well. Slave labor to dig out the contents of the batteries. Also, more dead kids cuz doing that sh!t is dangerous to their health because they get no protective gear...

The push for electric cars feels both like the wealthy/politicians pulling a 'Marie Antoinette', and also them trying to push an environmentalist/climate change agenda. I'm just frustrated that people don't seem to care. Where are the protests? Like, many people tend to say "well, the media doesn't televise those". But I've seen protests around for gun bans, Trump for 2024 (yep, a small group seems to gather to do this every weekend in a blue state), abortion (pro and against), etc... Not for inflation, gas prices, the fact they approved 40billion for Ukraine while not even attempting more 'stimmies' for those struggling in the US, and you see what I mean?

[IMJ]

I saw the signs of all of this coming a few months back and took a series of well adjusted financial steps.

I sold my Zl1 for a variety of reasons, none of which were that I couldn't afford it. Basically the used car market was/is on fire at the time and the car was blue booking for 60 grand. I had almost no loan left to pay on the car and I sold it for close to KBB, took the money and paid off a property. Doing this alleviated my mortgage, divested myself of the car while it had significant value and eliminated an insurance cost. All of that after I had ownership of the car for the last five years. So that was one step.

Then a couple weeks ago I cashed in 100,000 Speedway points for $100 of gift cards at Depot. I used those in conjunction with credit card rewards cashback to reduce the cost on a new DeWalt battery powered mower. So now no more gas for grass and my old mower can reside at my rental property now.

Next up is I begin lining up my shots to get one more year of use out of my daily driver (4 cylinder, AWD). By this time next year I should be in an electric vehicle outright without a car payment. Probably the Bolt unless I find a Tesla that I can't walk away from.

You've got to see these patterns and start lining your shots up to grow financially and mitigate the costs you foresee being out of control.

As for the upcoming food problems, the boss here and I are going to try our hands at growing some basic vegetables. I haven't had a garden of sorts since I was a kid with my parents. So it should be fun and maybe by the next few months I won't be buying Tomatoes, Cucumbers and I dunno whatever the other plant that she bought was. :lol:

[superstaff]

You've got to see these patterns and start lining your shots up to grow financially and mitigate the costs you foresee being out of control.

It's not easy for those of us who live from paycheck to paycheck.

As for the upcoming food problems, the boss here and I are going to try our hands at growing some basic vegetables. I haven't had a garden of sorts since I was a kid with my parents. So it should be fun and maybe by the next few months I won't be buying Tomatoes, Cucumbers and I dunno whatever the other plant that she bought was. :lol:

My neighbor has three huge gardens right now that she began 'just in case' (though she was paranoid that Covid would be the cause of an apocalypse, not inflation and food/supply shortages....). She has several vegetables and fruits growing from them. However...

Rodents and other wildlife get into them. Her own dogs dig up the gardens. In the winter here, it'll get too cold for any plant life to grow, and for the past two winters, she has had no more stuff growing in the garden patches. On top of that...if the chips are down, and sh*t hits the fan, her fence is small...and most people know (her garden is visible since we have chain link fences) she has a supply of food in her backyard. What do you think will happen?

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly the only way gas prices affect me is when we plan a group trip to a con or something and I'm chipping in for gas, the amounts I'm chipping in have gone up, lol.

[mrmaczaps]

I saw the signs of all of this coming a few months back and took a series of well adjusted financial steps.

I sold my Zl1 for a variety of reasons, none of which were that I couldn't afford it. Basically the used car market was/is on fire at the time and the car was blue booking for 60 grand. I had almost no loan left to pay on the car and I sold it for close to KBB, took the money and paid off a property. Doing this alleviated my mortgage, divested myself of the car while it had significant value and eliminated an insurance cost. All of that after I had ownership of the car for the last five years. So that was one step.

Then a couple weeks ago I cashed in 100,000 Speedway points for $100 of gift cards at Depot. I used those in conjunction with credit card rewards cashback to reduce the cost on a new DeWalt battery powered mower. So now no more gas for grass and my old mower can reside at my rental property now.

Next up is I begin lining up my shots to get one more year of use out of my daily driver (4 cylinder, AWD). By this time next year I should be in an electric vehicle outright without a car payment. Probably the Bolt unless I find a Tesla that I can't walk away from.

You've got to see these patterns and start lining your shots up to grow financially and mitigate the costs you foresee being out of control.

As for the upcoming food problems, the boss here and I are going to try our hands at growing some basic vegetables. I haven't had a garden of sorts since I was a kid with my parents. So it should be fun and maybe by the next few months I won't be buying Tomatoes, Cucumbers and I dunno whatever the other plant that she bought was. :lol:

I mean if you have cash to blow and want to waste it on a dangerous "green" vehicle, be my guest but nowhere in the last 2 decades has a $60,000 electric vehicle been something I would want to own and be able to afford. Now being stuck on disability, I don't have any options of saving money. I wouldn't drive or buy an electric vehicle even if someone GAVE me one because they're NOT a solution. Just politicians sh!tting on us little people. They want us DEAD. You e-car won't save you.

Honestly the only way gas prices affect me is when we plan a group trip to a con or something and I'm chipping in for gas, the amounts I'm chipping in have gone up, lol.

Food costs are up, thats because gas prices are up. The higher cost of gas is reflected in EVERYTHING else.

[superstaff]

Food costs are up, thats because gas prices are up. The higher cost of gas is reflected in EVERYTHING else.

Food is the main one, yes, though I am noticing other goods and services climbing in price as well.

And with that, I am also noticing poorer quality in food/goods as well. Lots more expired food than ever, for example. Clothes made from crappier materials. Shipping costs rising. That's just a few examples.

[IMJ]

It's not easy for those of us who live from paycheck to paycheck.

I know man. I'm not independently wealthy. I just make the planning choices or the hard choices that other people don't compute or aren't willing to make. For example, I didn't want to sell my ZL1, but the confluence of events and value of the car all came together in a way that can't be logically denied. Other people would've disregarded it, but I balled up and sold the car. Hence I'm better off.

The next response could be "yeah but you were able to buy a ZL1 in the first place". But again, that's not because I'm independently wealthy - I'm not. It's because I chose to live by the patterns in the first place that led me to sell the car when the opportunity for it made sense.

It's the same thing with the "pandemic collectibles insanity" when market prices were out of control. I didn't want to sell my Hulk 181 CGC 8.0, but the market commanded that I should. How did I get that book? I bought it for 385 bucks when I graduated college as a gift to myself years ago. I paid to have it pressed and slabbed and I held it for years. I sold it for 5k. What did I do that money then? I put the 5k into crypto in November 2020 and it turned into 28 grand. I took those profits.

I'm not saying that it's easy but the fact is that I make the hard calls and stick to the plan rather than my ego for "things". :) Anyone can do it but most people don't have the balls or stomach for it.

I think it's really important that I clarify that for the rest of the brain trust here. Not that my patterns are going to earn me any respect from the bottom feeders here, but you try anyway. You know.

My neighbor has three huge gardens right now that she began 'just in case' (though she was paranoid that Covid would be the cause of an apocalypse, not inflation and food/supply shortages....). She has several vegetables and fruits growing from them. However...

Rodents and other wildlife get into them. Her own dogs dig up the gardens. In the winter here, it'll get too cold for any plant life to grow, and for the past two winters, she has had no more stuff growing in the garden patches. On top of that...if the chips are down, and sh*t hits the fan, her fence is small...and most people know (her garden is visible since we have chain link fences) she has a supply of food in her backyard. What do you think will happen?

Yeah man we have the small plants in pots right now and the first thing we saw was that the rabbits in the yard were like... nibbling on the leaves. We are going to need some kind of hardware cloth solution or something.

As for some kind of food catastrophe and people stealing tomatoes? Yeah sure I believe that could happen, but if we get to that point then we have bigger problems that involve other issues than defending a plant with 30 tomatoes that I hoped to vac-seal, you know? Can't live on f'n tomatoes. I mean, even the theft of tomatoes is short sighted, but that's the majority of the peasant-level-population. Being a f'n peasant isn't about money. It's about the peasant-a$$-mentality.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't mind saving up for an electric car if there weren't so many uncertainties. Let's say I save up $60,000 for one, then the battery stops keeping a charge after a couple of years. Am I just screwed, then? Or in 5 years, there's a much improved electric car with better capacity... will I be able to sell my existing electric car for more than, say, $5000 at this point? Will I be able to sell it at all?

Then there's the thing about electric cars not being able to start in the cold. Yikes.

[IMJ]

I mean if you have cash to blow and want to waste it on a dangerous "green" vehicle, be my guest but nowhere in the last 2 decades has a $60,000 electric vehicle been something I would want to own and be able to afford. Now being stuck on disability, I don't have any options of saving money. I wouldn't drive or buy an electric vehicle even if someone GAVE me one because they're NOT a solution. Just politicians sh!tting on us little people. They want us DEAD. You e-car won't save you.

Well... I'm not looking to be saved. I'm responding to the trends (whether I like the trends or not) and trying to be ahead of the curve rather than trapped by it.

For example, here's my mental algebra for some of this decision.... consider:

01 Fuel costs, whether it be by conspiracy or nature, are high and given the Washington brain trust, they aren't ever going back down. There will be a new normal - like 4 something a gallon.

02 Trends - in 6 or 7 years most of the cars on the market will be electric. Again, you can like or hate it, it doesn't matter. It's happening.

03 Now do your head math - if you can put your hate for "the system" away do the head math. If in 6 or 7 years most cars will be electric, then your current gas powered car will have almost no trade in value. You'll be underwater and have to go into a new vehicle cold, or you'll be a luddite buying the last of the gas powered cars that you'll be stuck in for another 5 - 7 years now putting you firmly 12 or so years behind, stuck in a gas vehicle with diminishing support in a world with fewer gas stations where everyone is driving electric. Basically your hate for the system is screwing yourself. Don't be a peasant-ass thinker believing you'll be on your porch laughing at people driving by in their electric cars. You'll be there stuck on your porch laughing while everyone else is living their life.

04. Illustrated example of this - I said earlier I bought a battery lawnmower. The thing was expensive. I could've saved 300 bucks or so by buying the same lawn mower without the "power assist" where the wheels spin a bit on their own. But I spent more money to get the power assist. You know why? Because I kept the last lawn more I bought for like 15 years. And I'm not going to be a 60 year old man fighting his lawn more because I didn't buy power assist now even though I don't need it. You learn to look ahead reasonably.

And something else to consider, brother. If you are convinced that I'm looking to be "saved" and that I'm dead meat, then all things in perspective that means that you are a goner for sure. Certainly if "they" get me, then you don't stand a chance. Something to consider to re-align your concerns. :)

Food costs are up, thats because gas prices are up. The higher cost of gas is reflected in EVERYTHING else.

This is absolutely all true.

I wouldn't mind saving up for an electric car if there weren't so many uncertainties. Let's say I save up $60,000 for one, then the battery stops keeping a charge after a couple of years. Am I just screwed, then? Or in 5 years, there's a much improved electric car with better capacity... will I be able to sell my existing electric car for more than, say, $5000 at this point? Will I be able to sell it at all?

Then there's the thing about electric cars not being able to start in the cold. Yikes.

I saw a video that debunked this cold start thing very well. I tried to find it, but I can't - I probably saw it a year ago or so. Basically some guy sits in his E.V. through some kind of freezing snow storm in his driveway with it on for like some huge period of hours, measuring the remaining travel life and films it. It was a great video.

I think the problems we read about are frequently.... you know.... semi-singular problems but most people can't parse that out and it becomes "this HUGE problem". Like the "Summer of the Shark" in media years ago. Like "The racists are everywhere!" of the last few years.

I think the most truthfully prolific problem I remember seeing in the last few years was that the original Chevy Bolt had some significant battery issue and they were blowing up and I think that was fairly widespread and real.

[Andrew NDB]

But just about the battery. Like, I know that if I get a new phone it doesn't charge as well after a year or so. Then it starts charging fairly poorly. Luckily, I get a new phone every 1.5 years. What I do not get is a new car every 1.5 years. If that battery starts getting diminishing returns after 2 years or 4 years... I'm f***ed.

[IMJ]

But just about the battery. Like, I know that if I get a new phone it doesn't charge as well after a year or so. Then it starts charging fairly poorly. Luckily, I get a new phone every 1.5 years. What I do not get is a new car every 1.5 years. If that battery starts getting diminishing returns after 2 years or 4 years... I'm f***ed.

That's actually my biggest concern as far as value goes. Sure, over 7 years of car ownership you save the money on gas. But then if your battery goes to $#!( the money to replace it is the equivalent in the gas costs but all at once. That's a concern.

But, there are other balances and benefits:

-the tech will continue to improve and the fact is that people will buy the cars with the cheapest battery replacement which will force all competitors to improve this.

-even if it's a cost wash, you save life and time and probably health by literally never having to go to a gas station. And so if I can buy an EV and spend the same amount of money on it over the life of the car as a gas car, then I'm still better off with the EV due to other externalities like the pollution, the interaction with fuel, the oil changes (which I do myself), etc.

It's a rounded decision but most people who think they are thinkers simply go: "HA HA the battery will cost you as much as the gas HA HA!". Yet somehow they never see that other people are just slowly pulling ahead of them in life.

On that note, I don't own an E.V. yet. My goal is next year - maybe even the Equinox which looks pretty great.

[mrmaczaps]

Well... I'm not looking to be saved. I'm responding to the trends (whether I like the trends or not) and trying to be ahead of the curve rather than trapped by it.

For example, here's my mental algebra for some of this decision.... consider:

01 Fuel costs, whether it be by conspiracy or nature, are high and given the Washington brain trust, they aren't ever going back down. There will be a new normal - like 4 something a gallon.

02 Trends - in 6 or 7 years most of the cars on the market will be electric. Again, you can like or hate it, it doesn't matter. It's happening.

03 Now do your head math - if you can put your hate for "the system" away do the head math. If in 6 or 7 years most cars will be electric, then your current gas powered car will have almost no trade in value. You'll be underwater and have to go into a new vehicle cold, or you'll be a luddite buying the last of the gas powered cars that you'll be stuck in for another 5 - 7 years now putting you firmly 12 or so years behind, stuck in a gas vehicle with diminishing support in a world with fewer gas stations where everyone is driving electric. Basically your hate for the system is screwing yourself. Don't be a peasant-ass thinker believing you'll be on your porch laughing at people driving by in their electric cars. You'll be there stuck on your porch laughing while everyone else is living their life.

04. Illustrated example of this - I said earlier I bought a battery lawnmower. The thing was expensive. I could've saved 300 bucks or so by buying the same lawn mower without the "power assist" where the wheels spin a bit on their own. But I spent more money to get the power assist. You know why? Because I kept the last lawn more I bought for like 15 years. And I'm not going to be a 60 year old man fighting his lawn more because I didn't buy power assist now even though I don't need it. You learn to look ahead reasonably.

And something else to consider, brother. If you are convinced that I'm looking to be "saved" and that I'm dead meat, then all things in perspective that means that you are a goner for sure. Certainly if "they" get me, then you don't stand a chance. Something to consider to re-align your concerns. :)



This is absolutely all true.



I saw a video that debunked this cold start thing very well. I tried to find it, but I can't - I probably saw it a year ago or so. Basically some guy sits in his E.V. through some kind of freezing snow storm in his driveway with it on for like some huge period of hours, measuring the remaining travel life and films it. It was a great video.

I think the problems we read about are frequently.... you know.... semi-singular problems but most people can't parse that out and it becomes "this HUGE problem". Like the "Summer of the Shark" in media years ago. Like "The racists are everywhere!" of the last few years.

I think the most truthfully prolific problem I remember seeing in the last few years was that the original Chevy Bolt had some significant battery issue and they were blowing up and I think that was fairly widespread and real.

Your number 2. So fvcking what. You think by giving in and joining the circus, you'll be safe? You're part of the fvcking problem. E-cars will not save anyone or the planet. Climate changes. Nothing mankind does will kill the planet. But "going green" will kill humans. I don't give a sh!t to take the time to read the rest of your excuses for siding with the devil.

[IndigoErth]

I guess it's better I did get a few gallons the other day, now the stations nearby are $4.99, too.


I wouldn't mind saving up for an electric car if there weren't so many uncertainties. Let's say I save up $60,000 for one, then the battery stops keeping a charge after a couple of years.
That's one of my main concerns, how long is that battery going to actually hold a good charge? Companies of any product tout batter life per charge, but then they get weak eventually. And I doubt it would be cheap to even change it in a car.

Plus you have all those people who got stuck on the interstate last winter which brought up a good point that once its dead in that situation, it's dead. No one can try to bring you fuel to keep it going and warm or to get it started and off the road once its clear, so you're stuck with a costly tow service.

I have nothing at all against electric cars, but feel those factors could be an issue, esp in certain places. They might be a better bet for areas that have mild winters. (Plus I'm a die hard Wrangler fan and won't be giving mine up unless it gets so old it can no longer be patched back together, but hopefully that won't be for a long time, or never in my lifetime.)

[superstaff]

Plus you have all those people who got stuck on the interstate last winter which brought up a good point that once its dead in that situation, it's dead. No one can try to bring you fuel to keep it going and warm or to get it started and off the road once its clear, so you're stuck with a costly tow service.

I have nothing at all against electric cars, but feel those factors could be an issue, esp in certain places. They might be a better bet for areas that have mild winters. (Plus I'm a die hard Wrangler fan and won't be giving mine up unless it gets so old it can no longer be patched back together, but hopefully that won't be for a long time, or never in my lifetime.)

You should be against electric cars based on what you outlined. There's some real potential danger to these things if you happen to run out of charge at the wrong time. This is something the politicians love to sweep under the rug during this 'debate'. That, and they don't care if you or I are stranded in a snow storm in an electric car, and freeze to death.

[Andrew NDB]

That's one of my main concerns, how long is that battery going to actually hold a good charge? Companies of any product tout batter life per charge, but then they get weak eventually. And I doubt it would be cheap to even change it in a car.

How much DO they cost? I'm assuming the battery in an electric car is probably the most expensive part in it, and maybe by far. At least to the point where it's not economical to just buy a new battery vs. just getting a new car. But would anyone even want to buy your old one?

Know what I mean?

[IMJ]

Your number 2. So fvcking what. You think by giving in and joining the circus, you'll be safe? You're part of the fvcking problem. E-cars will not save anyone or the planet. Climate changes. Nothing mankind does will kill the planet. But "going green" will kill humans. I don't give a sh!t to take the time to read the rest of your excuses for siding with the devil.

I don't think any of what you've interpreted here. That's your interpretation. We aren't having the same convo because we don't subscribe to the same thought processes.

Buying a battery powered car is just another consumer option. But your POV on it is that it's the next "EEEEE-Villll". 35 years ago you'd have rallied against computers as the digital mark of the beast, but you're on one now espousing your interpretations of world events to those of us who will read 'em.

If you are alive in 20 years you'll be in an all electric-powered environment and by proxy will have to give up on the argument that "going green will kill humans" and the next soapbox will be that nanites that cure disease are an injection from Satan.

It never ends. That's circular thinking, brother. Try contiguous and linear logic instead. Even if you are compelled to vomit out some $#!( about my post here, at least quietly look up that chain of words I said there and try to figure out what I mean. Try contiguous and linear logic instead. :)

How much DO they cost? I'm assuming the battery in an electric car is probably the most expensive part in it, and maybe by far. At least to the point where it's not economical to just buy a new battery vs. just getting a new car. But would anyone even want to buy your old one?

Know what I mean?

Well that was my point in that last reply I gave you on the last page. I've read that new batteries installed can run upwards of 10k. But the hope is that across the next generation of car buying (that is to say, the next 5 years of car buying bring us to the next decade of ownership) that they'd get those costs WAY down.

[oldmanwinters]

I have always liked the smell of gasoline. I suppose I am kinda weird.

[IMJ]

I have always liked the smell of gasoline. I suppose I am kinda weird.

I always liked it when wrenching on a car, but can't stand it when I'm cutting grass and turn the lower mower and you just suck all that $#!( air right into your lungs, man.

[superstaff]

I always liked it when wrenching on a car, but can't stand it when I'm cutting grass and turn the lower mower and you just suck all that $#!( air right into your lungs, man.

Yeah, same here.

[newfan]

There won't be a choice but to have electric cars in my country eventually, I think production of fuel cars will stop here in 2030, also new homes being built from a certain date will have to be built with charging ports (I think I read that right anyway)
As with the upcoming mandatory change to our home heating systems, the green versions cost more, in the thousands.
I 'd also feel better about these things when these things are more established, teething problems dealt with, more parts and people experienced in maintainence etc.

I think of all the cost of living rises the most noticable for me is home energy. I am paying more for petrol but lukily I don't clock up too many miles so it's not as bad as it is for some, I read it's set to go up again over here though.

[Andrew NDB]

I could probably Google this, but is there any sense of how much charging your car up at your house overnight every night drives up the electric bill every month vs. what you'd ordinarily spend in gas?

[newfan]

I could probably Google this, but is there any sense of how much charging your car up at your house overnight every night drives up the electric bill every month vs. what you'd ordinarily spend in gas?

I was thinking the same thing with current electricity price hikes, I don't know enough about them though like how much it costs to charge them at the ports or how often they need charging per miles etc.

[mrmaczaps]

I could probably Google this, but is there any sense of how much charging your car up at your house overnight every night drives up the electric bill every month vs. what you'd ordinarily spend in gas?

Its going to cost far more for electricity than fuel used to cost... both have have huge price increases this year alone. Used to pay about $100 a month for electricity, my usage hasn't changed any from December last year to January this year yet the first 4 months of this year the bill was closer to $300 for the same "hours" of usage.

[Mayhem]

Its going to cost far more for electricity than fuel used to cost... both have have huge price increases this year alone. Used to pay about $100 a month for electricity, my usage hasn't changed any from December last year to January this year yet the first 4 months of this year the bill was closer to $300 for the same "hours" of usage.
Don't know about that, depends on the car. Mate of mine was weighing in on the current cost of petrol here, and said it costs him £8 to fully charge his all electric (non hybrid) car with a range 350 miles (approx) even with the current hiked UK electricity prices. To drive that distance right now in my 55mpg VW would cost me about £50. So yeah, thinking it's more expensive for charging isn't necessarily true.

[IMJ]

I sat down using my electric bill sometime back to calculate the draw to "fill" an electric car. The statement that "it will cost more than gas" is categorically and summarily untrue. It is significantly less money to charge an electric car than it is to fill up a traditional gas car.

The only caveat I have to that is that paradigm won't last forever. As more things transition to the power grid, the cost of electric will go up significantly. Eventually it will be a wash with fuel costs and that's when I expect you'll see more people add solar to their homes - to mitigate the electric increases.

But right now I can tell you that I actually did the easy math about a year ago myself on it and it is cheaper by magnitudes to "fill" your electric vehicle than it is to fill your gas vehicle. And I did it using the per kilowatt rate on my ComEd bill at the time.

Generally speaking the current cost per Kilowatt right now breaks down as follows:
$.07809 for Supply
$.04052 for Delivery
$.01058 for ComEd's 'mystery fees'
$.0035 for taxes
And so my estimated total cost per kilowatt hour in the current climate is $0.132 cents. Maybe tack on 3 cents for any variance that I missed, so play it safe with .16 a kwh.

And so - EXTREME case of electricity is $0.16 kwh whereas gasoline is approaching $5.00 gallon.

[mrmaczaps]

I sat down using my electric bill sometime back to calculate the draw to "fill" an electric car. The statement that "it will cost more than gas" is categorically and summarily untrue. It is significantly less money to charge an electric car than it is to fill up a traditional gas car.

The only caveat I have to that is that paradigm won't last forever. As more things transition to the power grid, the cost of electric will go up significantly. Eventually it will be a wash with fuel costs and that's when I expect you'll see more people add solar to their homes - to mitigate the electric increases.

But right now I can tell you that I actually did the easy math about a year ago myself on it and it is cheaper by magnitudes to "fill" your electric vehicle than it is to fill your gas vehicle. And I did it using the kilowatt per hour rate on my ComEd bill at the time.

Did you add in the cost of having to install a charger everywhere you go since some places don't currently have them? That automatically makes the cost of charging more. Most people will not have the option of installing a charging station at their home. Its not cost effective to do so.

[IMJ]

Did you add in the cost of having to install a charger everywhere you go since some places don't currently have them? That automatically makes the cost of charging more. Most people will not have the option of installing a charging station at their home. Its not cost effective to do so.

Well - a few things to consider:
-A rapid charger is a one-time upfront cost, not a recurring one.
-Dealers will have specials on rapid chargers - right now Chevy is installing them free in your garage as an incentive.
-You don't need a rapid charger. You can just plug the car in, and it will take more time to charge
-Regarding "everywhere you go".... I'd say that for the time being as infrastructure is being built then you do a few more logistics on the once in a while that you take your car for a road trip. Otherwise, you just plug it in at home when you need to because the car will generally get most reasonable people everywhere they need to go, day to day.

-shrugs-

You mention that it's not cost effective to install a rapid charger at home. Where are you getting your data? My data came from actual electric bills, computation and current offerings from dealerships. Where did you come up with it not being cost effective to add a rapid charger (which you don't even need to own the car)? I think it's obvious instead that most people who will buy an electric car will also have the wherewithall to somehow acquire a rapid charger - not the other way around.

I don't see any problem with you not being on board with electric cars, but every point you continue to make about this is uninformed and categorically wrong or mistaken, dude. In these situations, you probably should be asking questions out of curiosity rather than presenting arguments of nonsense and statements lacking information such as "it's not cost effective to do so". It's like "arguing via childlike-creative-writing" rather than "discussion-via-fact". Stringing words together about this topic in the make-believe that you are offering counter points. But you've yet to throw down a valid counterpoint. Why are you arguing in an informed fashion for something that you clearly have zero real, functioning knowledge of? What's your stake in this game?

[superstaff]

I'm sure this debate was had when we switched from horses to gas vehicles as well. It doesn't really matter, we're heading that way for the majority whether they want to or not. You can't stop progress.

We're progressing really well as a society right now, so I'm looking forward to what's in store for us in the future!

You probably can't tell, but I am 100% sarcastic. :ohwell: Actually, if the last decade is any sort of indicator, I think technology and other societal aspects are going to make life much harder for the average citizen, aka you and me. Some will just mindlessly consume, and not care because their basic needs are met, and/or they benefit from it in some way, such as socially. The rest of us are going to struggle and suffer.

Can't wait for the future. Oh, that was sarcastic too.

[IMJ]

I'm sure this debate was had when we switched from horses to gas vehicles as well. It doesn't really matter, we're heading that way for the majority whether they want to or not. You can't stop progress.

Yup. Said the same thing in #26 and the root of my planned actions all unfolded there. Basically this transition is a rare example of where if you aren't ahead of the curve you are going to be worse off, stuck with a gas car. But I suppose I said that already.....

People are either one or many of the following: just afraid of change, they aren't happy that the change is expensive in the short term albeit better in the long term, they can't afford it

I tend to believe that most real resistance to things like this are for three operational-reasons:

1. Like you said, someone perceives they can't afford something so they ralley against it out of fear and anger that they will be surpassed

2. People dig in on phony, luddite-style arguments as a safety net. The safety net is that if you naysay something upfront then you are safe if it goes bad, but can always later quietly change hats.

3. Naysay to give the appearance of "old wisdom". That guy has been around throughout all of history and is usually the biggest fool. That person thinks they look like some kind of holdout for wisdom by naysaying - like that weirdo who puts all solid-core steel doors through his whole house instead of just using hollow core doors inside. Because you know... "these are steel and strong!" :roll:

The thing that actually makes me laugh is that these guys do one of those three things and they actually think that we don't know. Like we are actually fooling them by continuing to have the conversation on their merits, but they think we don't know their weird, deep-down psychology.

[Andrew NDB]

The only caveat I have to that is that paradigm won't last forever. As more things transition to the power grid, the cost of electric will go up significantly. Eventually it will be a wash with fuel costs and that's when I expect you'll see more people add solar to their homes - to mitigate the electric increases.

Devil's advocate, but wouldn't that work in reverse, too? As in, as more and more people get on the grid with electric cars, wouldn't that mean less and less people are using fuel-powered cars? Which would... then bring the price of gas back down?

[superstaff]

Yes, grandpa I know. The good old days are gone.

'Grandma', actually, sonny jim.

I also don't understand why people automatically think technological 'progress' is always good, and will always succeed, and make life 'better' as if there's no pitfalls or problems that come with those advancements. People like you just think having an electric car, for instance, means it'll automatically make people's lives better. Same with digital only currency, and universal electronic IDs. There's many ways this stuff can blow up in people's faces, and make lives worse.

As it came up earlier, electric cars can cease to work under conditions that gas powered ones won't, such as losing charge and dying out during a blizzard. Unless portable charging stations become a thing, something I don't see happening anytime soon, I can see this claiming lives. It's a legitimate thing to worry about.

[mrmaczaps]

Well - a few things to consider:
-A rapid charger is a one-time upfront cost, not a recurring one.
-Dealers will have specials on rapid chargers - right now Chevy is installing them free in your garage as an incentive.
-You don't need a rapid charger. You can just plug the car in, and it will take more time to charge
-Regarding "everywhere you go".... I'd say that for the time being as infrastructure is being built then you do a few more logistics on the once in a while that you take your car for a road trip. Otherwise, you just plug it in at home when you need to because the car will generally get most reasonable people everywhere they need to go, day to day.

-shrugs-

You mention that it's not cost effective to install a rapid charger at home. Where are you getting your data? My data came from actual electric bills, computation and current offerings from dealerships. Where did you come up with it not being cost effective to add a rapid charger (which you don't even need to own the car)? I think it's obvious instead that most people who will buy an electric car will also have the wherewithall to somehow acquire a rapid charger - not the other way around.

I don't see any problem with you not being on board with electric cars, but every point you continue to make about this is uninformed and categorically wrong or mistaken, dude. In these situations, you probably should be asking questions out of curiosity rather than presenting arguments of nonsense and statements lacking information such as "it's not cost effective to do so". It's like "arguing via childlike-creative-writing" rather than "discussion-via-fact". Stringing words together about this topic in the make-believe that you are offering counter points. But you've yet to throw down a valid counterpoint. Why are you arguing in an informed fashion for something that you clearly have zero real, functioning knowledge of? What's your stake in this game?

Around here, the police stations are using electric cars. I've spent a few hours talking boom sticks with them and discussing the uselessness of their current electric cars. Not being able to stay in high speed chases, the excessive time off they have a need for to charge, the cost quoted to a couple of them to install the high speed chargers at home that the PD won't pay for (because its very high) and the officer not wanting to plug it in because he had seen it cause a fire (which his home owners insurance said they would not cover).

My stake in the game is I have to live on this mudball you see happy to destroy. Also hang out with firefighters from time to time. They have seen the fires caused by some of these home charging stations.

People are either one or many of the following: just afraid of change, they aren't happy that the change is expensive in the short term albeit better in the long term, they can't afford it, see it as s political thing they need to side with oil, they are eco-villains from Captain Planet.

I'm sure this debate was had when we switched from horses to gas vehicles as well. It doesn't really matter, we're heading that way for the majority whether they want to or not. You can't stop progress.

Or maybe we understand "going green is absofvckinglutely stupidly pointless and will only cost more for everyone down the road because we aren't absolute idiots.

[IMJ]

Devil's advocate, but wouldn't that work in reverse, too? As in, as more and more people get on the grid with electric cars, wouldn't that mean less and less people are using fuel-powered cars? Which would... then bring the price of gas back down?

Ehhh..... Noooo.... not neccessarily.... the economics of fossil fuels is more complicated. It's presented as "supply and demand" to the everyday consumer, but the fuel cartels are somewhat regulated and they are happy to be because there's so much money in it now. Also the supply and demand thing is bolstered by reserves and it creates an easily manipulatable economy of fuel.

But what I see happening is that fossil gas goes way up in price because it becomes a novelty - a boutique item. Combine that with fuel companies used to a century of limitless wealth and they aren't going to let that go easily. This is why I love Sunoco and have dough tied up with them in the market. They are a terrific fuel provider but have hands in solar development and other power sources as well. Personally I think Sunoco is the silent winner amidst the fuel stocks, but people aren't looking at them yet.

People like you just think having an electric car, for instance, means it'll automatically make people's lives better. Same with digital only currency, and universal electronic IDs. There's many ways this stuff can blow up in people's faces, and make lives worse.

But does he see it that way? I don't see it that way....

And don't get me wrong, I don't defend SDP easily, but I mean is any of the information being presented here really about the assumption that "electric car guys are right because it's hands down better" or is it being presented that "it's going this way, here are the benefits, here's what sucks, it's best to be in on the curve with this one?"

Because I'm in the "it's going this way, here's what's good here's what sucks, it's best to be ahead of the curve on this one".

[joe-eyeball]

While I would agree that EV are going to only continue to rise in popularity and overall use I definitely do not agree with what some are saying about them in general in this thread.

1. With very high concentrations of people living in cities how will infrastructure keep up with EV sales and use? I mean so many people in cities park in parking garages and the street! Who is paying for a charging station to put there? What about parking in public spaces? It’s not a simple problem with simple solutions that will be solved anytime soon.

2. What if a bunch of EV’s are stuck in gridlocked traffic and run out of juice? I know gas powered cars can do the same but it certainly has to be much easier to get a gas can and add fuel them than to charge a dead EV in the middle of the highway.

3. What if there is massive power outages caused by weather or a multitude of other possible calamities? If everyone has an EV and can’t use it then they are useless.

4. As others have stated what about an increase to our electrical grid to be able to handle all of this? Also doesn’t something like 37% of our current electrical grid rely heavily on fossil fuels and coal burning to produce energy? If that’s true then an increase in burning those would be detrimental to the environment as well.

I’m really only asking questions here that I have pondered when considering trying out an EV for myself. If I were to get one it would only be for basic errand running while I would certainly keep my gas powered truck and SUV for longer distances. Any way I think at least some of the above mentioned reasons I listed will slow the acceptance of EV use. I’d bet it’s likely going to be considerably longer then 6-7 years for a majority of road vehicles to be EV like some have mentioned here. Just saying.

[IndigoErth]

Dumb (and largely rhetorical) question... how soon will charging stations and the installation cost just end up obsolete anyhow, once fully electric cars start having solar panels embedded within their roof panels, making it entirely free to charge and easy to keep charged, because that just seems like an obvious and inevitable next step with fully electric models. (So long as electric companies won't have auto makers by the throat promising not to go there.)

Having to plug it in to change it just sounds like one of those things that could be a relatively brief part of it.

Capable solar technology for cars would at least iron out some concerns about the risky dead battery situations if nations insist on eventually going all electric for future models.

If we're lucky, maybe increasing popularity will also drive fuel costs down for traditional engines in the future.



edit: And if solar panels on cars are for some strange reason never a thing or still takes a long time.... then I vote solar powered charging embedded in driveways and parking spaces. After all, some phones can already charge wirelessly, so why not the car in the future.

[mrmaczaps]

Dumb (and largely rhetorical) question... how soon will charging stations and the installation cost just end up obsolete anyhow, once fully electric cars start having solar panels embedded within their roof panels, making it entirely free to charge and easy to keep charged, because that just seems like an obvious and inevitable next step with fully electric models. (So long as electric companies won't have auto makers by the throat promising not to go there.)

Having to plug it in to change it just sounds like one of those things that could be a relatively brief part of it.

Capable solar technology for cars would at least iron out some concerns about the risky dead battery situations if nations insist on eventually going all electric for future models.

If we're lucky, maybe increasing popularity will also drive fuel costs down for traditional engines in the future.

Solar... lol. Its been cloudy as fvck for a week now here until today. If I gotta rely on solar to get juice for my ride, I'm going NOWHERE... real life is not a scifi movie. The tech is nowhere near that level yet.

[Andrew NDB]

3. What if there is massive power outages caused by weather or a multitude of other possible calamities? If everyone has an EV and can’t use it then they are useless.

Pretty sure you can get a big backup power cell for your garage charging station. As in, even if you lose power the backup cell will still have a good full charge or so for your car.

Dumb (and largely rhetorical) question... how soon will charging stations and the installation cost just end up obsolete anyhow, once fully electric cars start having solar panels embedded within their roof panels, making it entirely free to charge and easy to keep charged, because that just seems like an obvious and inevitable next step with fully electric models. (So long as electric companies won't have auto makers by the throat promising not to go there.)

There's no way the roof panels of a car would provide a significant charge. And if you're done driving by nighttime, there's no sun up to be charging your car while you sleep. If anything, if you're driving it around all day and its charging while you're driving from the roof panels, the couple/few extra miles it might charge into your battery might make that an attractive feature but it'd hardly be a game changer of any kind.

[mrmaczaps]

While I would agree that EV are going to only continue to rise in popularity and overall use I definitely do not agree with what some are saying about them in general in this thread.

1. With very high concentrations of people living in cities how will infrastructure keep up with EV sales and use? I mean so many people in cities park in parking garages and the street! Who is paying for a charging station to put there? What about parking in public spaces? It’s not a simple problem with simple solutions that will be solved anytime soon.

2. What if a bunch of EV’s are stuck in gridlocked traffic and run out of juice? I know gas powered cars can do the same but it certainly has to be much easier to get a gas can and add fuel them than to charge a dead EV in the middle of the highway.

3. What if there is massive power outages caused by weather or a multitude of other possible calamities? If everyone has an EV and can’t use it then they are useless.

4. As others have stated what about an increase to our electrical grid to be able to handle all of this? Also doesn’t something like 37% of our current electrical grid rely heavily on fossil fuels and coal burning to produce energy? If that’s true then an increase in burning those would be detrimental to the environment as well.

I’m really only asking questions here that I have pondered when considering trying out an EV for myself. If I were to get one it would only be for basic errand running while I would certainly keep my gas powered truck and SUV for longer distances. Any way I think at least some of the above mentioned reasons I listed will slow the acceptance of EV use. I’d bet it’s likely going to be considerably longer then 6-7 years for a majority of road vehicles to be EV like some have mentioned here. Just saying.

1. This is already a real problem. How many cities have rolling blackouts in the summertime when its super hot out & have to find other ways to keep cool? This will be worse once "everyone" has ev's.

2. This has already happened as well and a sh!tton of people died from it. Dead of winter, stuck on a highway. Not going ANYWHERE for a while. Hope your life insurance is paid up.

3. See number 1.

4. See any joke meme about charging ev's with diesel generators.. they might be memes, but that doesn't make em less factual.

EVs one and only purpose is to strand us locally so the Government can more easily round us up to kill us.

[mrmaczaps]

:tlol: This is funny af. (https://www.theblaze.com/news/wsj-journalist-regrets-electric-car-road-trip?fbclid=IwAR12PFJ7H_3o0sn5KPoEoXonUikrF4lMhXRo RtdxVa6oeKbFqgMRbg_7MMg)

[IndigoErth]

PThere's no way the roof panels of a car would provide a significant charge. And if you're done driving by nighttime, there's no sun up to be charging your car while you sleep. If anything, if you're driving it around all day and its charging while you're driving from the roof panels, the couple/few extra miles it might charge into your battery might make that an attractive feature but it'd hardly be a game changer of any kind.
Well, I was thinking more in terms of paired with future advances in the electric car batteries that can store it up more than enough to use at night while the direct energy is used during daylight.

Solar... lol. Its been cloudy as fvck for a week now here until today. If I gotta rely on solar to get juice for my ride, I'm going NOWHERE... real life is not a scifi movie. The tech is nowhere near that level yet.
Is it DARK where you are when it's cloudy? Solar panels still absorb sunlight from the indirect ambient light when it's cloudy, even if it's to a bit lower degree than when receiving direct sunlight. Real life isn't a movie, but it does have facts you don't seem to like.



EVs one and only purpose is to strand us locally so the Government can more easily round us up to kill us.
Well...if the price of tin foil goes up a lot, we'll know who is buying it all and driving up the cost as a result.

[mrmaczaps]

Well, I was thinking more in terms of paired with future advances in the electric car batteries that can store it up more than enough to use at night while the direct energy is used during daylight.


Is it DARK where you are when it's cloudy? Solar panels still absorb sunlight from the indirect ambient light when it's cloudy, even if it's to a bit lower degree than when receiving direct sunlight. Real life isn't a movie, but it does have facts you don't seem to like.



Well...if the price of tin foil goes up a lot, we'll know who is buying it all and driving up the cost as a result.

Indirect sunlight charges panels even less than full sunlight does and roof panels won't charge the vehicles fully... so, again, I'm not wrong.

Okay demon. Settle down now. The only thing I use tinfoil on it making bacon on the grill.

[1987]

“don’t underestimate joe’s ability to f**k things up” - barack hussein obama

couldn’t agree more, hussein was right, but ironically he’s probably more behind the gas price spike than biden himself, biden is just the loveable idiot puppet to take the heat and make it look like senile incompetence when really it’s all planned out by hussein & co, demonrat sympathizers “aww poor ol’ biden, he has dementia, we can’t be mad at him for the gas prices, lol the president doesn’t control gas prices lol”

the “president”, xiden, on day 1 shut down the keystone xl pipeline and signed all kinds of executive orders for his controllers. that’s what he was installed to do, destroy america, with hussein as the evil mastermind puppeteer. this really is hussein’s third term as u.s. president

the solution for the gas price crisis is domestic oil, but that would solve the problem, so big gov can’t have that they need you to go through this gas price crisis rn it’s part of the new world order agenda.

domestic oil is the new ivermectin

[IndigoErth]

You sound as if you think everything was shut down. From last year:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/even-without-keystone-xl-us-set-record-canadian-oil-imports-2021-01-22/

Even without Keystone XL, U.S. set for record Canadian oil imports

January 22, 2021

"Whatever limited benefit that Keystone was projected to provide now has to be obviously reconsidered with the economy of today," said Gina McCarthy, Biden's leading domestic climate policy coordinator at the White House.

Even without Keystone, however, the United States now relies on Canada for more than half of its imported oil. Several of the lines carrying that crude are in the midst of expansions.

Enbridge Inc's (ENB.TO) Line 3 replacement project is in the process of doubling its capacity, which will allow it to deliver about 760,000 bpd of crude from Alberta to Superior, Wisconsin, by the end of this year.

Canada's government is also expanding the state-owned Trans Mountain line by 590,000 bpd to 890,000 bpd. That line terminates at the Port of Vancouver, where it should be able to deliver barrels via tankers to the United States.

Meanwhile, TC Energy received U.S. approval last year to expand its existing Keystone 590,000-bpd line - located far from the proposed Keystone XL - which would add an additional 170,000 bpd into the U.S. Midwest and Gulf Coast.

"We will be over-piped assuming the other pipelines go ahead on schedule," said Wood Mackenzie research director Mark Oberstoetter. "If you add them all up, you can make the argument KXL was not needed."

Construction underway on Trans Mountain and Line 3 could still be held up by environmental protests, but unlike Keystone XL, both pipelines have cleared legal and regulatory hurdles.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php

In 2020 and parts of 2021 we were a net exporter of petroleum. Yes, we were importing barrels, but we were exporting them out of the country at a higher rate per day. I can't imagine what changed.

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/03/yes-biden-is-to-blame-for-the-energy-crisis-heres-why/

[IndigoErth]

Bad enough for the average person, imagine what it costs in diesel to fill up a firetruck these days, and they have no choice. Ouch.

My sister was considering the Disney Halloween cruise and had extended an invite to go, but what the hell would those tickets even cost now? Kind of glad those plans changed, seems foolish to do it now with the likely jacked up prices passing fuel costs on to passengers. I don't even want to know how much a diesel cruise ship would cost to fill, egads.

[Andrew NDB]

Bad enough for the average person, imagine what it costs in diesel to fill up a firetruck these days, and they have no choice. Ouch.

My sister was considering the Disney Halloween cruise and had extended an invite to go, but what the hell would those tickets even cost now? Kind of glad those plans changed, seems foolish to do it now with the likely jacked up prices passing fuel costs on to passengers. I don't even want to know how much a diesel cruise ship would cost to fill, egads.

If only stupid cruise lines would start rolling out electric boats with solar powered sails.

[IndigoErth]

If only some people could resist being childish trolls.

[Andrew NDB]

If only some people could resist being childish trolls.

Does this mean you won't take the pledge for all boats to be electric by 2030?

[1987]

The national average for a gallon of gas has reached $5 for the first time ever. Thanks china joe!

Bad enough for the average person, imagine what it costs in diesel to fill up a firetruck these days, and they have no choice. Ouch.

My sister was considering the Disney Halloween cruise and had extended an invite to go, but what the hell would those tickets even cost now? Kind of glad those plans changed, seems foolish to do it now with the likely jacked up prices passing fuel costs on to passengers. I don't even want to know how much a diesel cruise ship would cost to fill, egads.

isn’t that what you wanted? based on your posts it appears you are leftist/nevertrumper/biden supporter, remember joe saying during his campaign how he would end fracking, to usher in the green new deal? it sounds like you got what you voted for, plus no more mean tweets! a win win situation, right?

to be fair joe did retract that statement and denied that he would end fracking during the 2020 debates, but anyone with common sense knew that was bs.

swindled?

[IMJ]

Liberal loud mouths literally getting what they voted for. And after the years of loud mouths, uninformed opinions and fake social justice from the left, now you guys are going to suffer the reality of it.

And you can continue to act like you don't care or like you are some moral authority all the way to the bottom - first financially, then in livelihood and then you are going to be hungry.

But hey - you can always keep ranting about socialism and social justice and other nonsense. All the way down.

[superstaff]

Liberal loud mouths literally getting what they voted for. And after the years of loud mouths, uninformed opinions and fake social justice from the left, now you guys are going to suffer the reality of it.


No, they won't be the only ones suffering. We're all going to suffer.

[mrmaczaps]

Suffering indeed... fjb & the clowns that voted for him.

[superstaff]

Thing is, this clusterf*ck started a chain reaction that's going to affect us all. High gas prices will affect trucks that deliver goods, goods will become more difficult to obtain because trucks will travel less or there might be less of them on the road, necessary supplies like medications, food, etc will become tougher to get, and so on. It's a breakdown of how our society is run, and this won't affect the politicians. The reds and blues will have their own private services with gas they can afford, and they'll snicker and toast their wine glasses over the Average Joes that are now begging them for a solution to this mess. Create a problem, sit back and observe the ensuing chaos to create desperation, then offer a solution. It's their MO.

[mrmaczaps]

Thing is, this clusterf*ck started a chain reaction that's going to affect us all. High gas prices will affect trucks that deliver goods, goods will become more difficult to obtain because trucks will travel less or there might be less of them on the road, necessary supplies like medications, food, etc will become tougher to get, and so on. It's a breakdown of how our society is run, and this won't affect the politicians. The reds and blues will have their own private services with gas they can afford, and they'll snicker and toast their wine glasses over the Average Joes that are now begging them for a solution to this mess. Create a problem, sit back and observe the ensuing chaos to create desperation, then offer a solution. It's their MO.

Yep. Even the mail delivery is no longer daily... packages come but regular mail has been, at least here, 3 days out of the week, maybe... of 6 days it should be getting delivered... when they cut back on delivering packages, hows that Amazon order going to arrive?

Politicians are all snakes & most of them want us suffering so the dumb ones will vote to give them MORE power...

[1987]

Thing is, this clusterf*ck started a chain reaction that's going to affect us all. High gas prices will affect trucks that deliver goods, goods will become more difficult to obtain because trucks will travel less or there might be less of them on the road, necessary supplies like medications, food, etc will become tougher to get, and so on. It's a breakdown of how our society is run, and this won't affect the politicians. The reds and blues will have their own private services with gas they can afford, and they'll snicker and toast their wine glasses over the Average Joes that are now begging them for a solution to this mess. Create a problem, sit back and observe the ensuing chaos to create desperation, then offer a solution. It's their MO.

Yep. Even the mail delivery is no longer daily... packages come but regular mail has been, at least here, 3 days out of the week, maybe... of 6 days it should be getting delivered... when they cut back on delivering packages, hows that Amazon order going to arrive?

Politicians are all snakes & most of them want us suffering so the dumb ones will vote to give them MORE power...

exactly. at this rate people are gonna start hoarding gas at the pumps before it reaches $8-$10 soon, they gotta fill up all those little containers and hoard them. biden, his handlers, and anyone that voted for biden, owns this.

yesterday biden was blaming the price hike on Putin… wow joe! brilliant. nothing is xiden’s fault, it’s either Trump or Putin’s fault :lol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/theblaze/status/1535325476176252928?cxt=HHwWgMC-4dqYyc4qAAAA

it’s not like xiden:

-Canceled new new drilling leases in the gulf
-Cancelled new drilling on federal lands
-Cancelled a current pipeline under construction
-Ended all fossil fuel subsidies
-Drained the petroleum reserve
-issued sanctions that only hurt the U.S. & western allies

NoPe, It’S pUtIn’S fAuLt

[IMJ]

No, they won't be the only ones suffering. We're all going to suffer.

Well. You're right, it's true.

exactly. at this rate people are gonna start hoarding gas at the pumps before it reaches $8-$10 soon, they gotta fill up all those little containers and hoard them. biden, his handlers, and anyone that voted for biden, owns this

I hate to say this because I understand the spirit of what it is you are saying - just so you know that your post isn't lost on me when I say, it might be prudent to do that. Enough for at least one fillup.

[1987]

https://i.imgur.com/PmM0EhR.jpg

[mrmaczaps]

$5.19 a gallon today in the Dirty Lew... FJB.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/elon-musk-mayra-flores-republicans

[superstaff]

$5.19 a gallon today in the Dirty Lew... FJB.


The question is, what will we, the people, do about this?

I'm guessing the answer is "nothing".

People will protest for abortions and guns, they won't protest against vaccination mandates, lockdowns, gas prices/inflation, anything that actually encroaches into their lives.

I remember trying to rally people to protest with me in 2020, and they just told me to "chill out" and laughed at me. :roll: I feel so done with people. It seems most are perfectly fine with the world the way it is. As long as they can virtue signal for their political parties and scroll on their phones to stare at memes all day, they'll accept anything the government feeds them.

[1987]

People will protest for abortions and guns, they won't protest against vaccination mandates, lockdowns, gas prices/inflation, anything that actually encroaches into their lives.

That’s because abortion, gun control, and “systematic racism” are leftist priorities. Since most liberals don’t work and live on government funding, they have all the time in the world to protest and riot when they don’t get their way. Gender studies, elective transgender surgeries, and student loan forgiveness is why they are so angry and protest all the time.

Conservatives don’t have time for all that, they are too busy working and they’re taxpayer dollars are being used for leftist agenda programs so that liberals don’t have to work. Yeah, it’s a huge scam. Not sure how much more people gonna put up with this radical leftist agenda, they are really pushing their limits.

[superstaff]

That’s because abortion, gun control, and “systematic racism” are leftist priorities. Since most liberals don’t work and live on government funding, they have all the time in the world to protest and riot when they don’t get their way. Gender studies, elective transgender surgeries, and student loan forgiveness is why they are so angry and protest all the time.

Conservatives don’t have time for all that, they are too busy working and they’re taxpayer dollars are being used for leftist agenda programs so that liberals don’t have to work. Yeah, it’s a huge scam. Not sure how much more people gonna put up with this radical leftist agenda, they are really pushing their limits.

Sure, keep telling yourself that, bro.

It's laughable people actually think the Conservative politicians legit care about us. Or the liberal ones for those of you who think they care. It's even more laughable you claim that "people are getting tired of the the racidal leftist agenda". Same with "go woke, go broke", as if that's actually accomplishing anything (lol, people have been saying "derp derp the left are totally losing millions, they're gonna have to change and go back to making quality media now!!!" since 2016). Keep beating that drum, and ignore the apathy and malice coming from your fellow man. Meanwhile, the politicians, media, and the celebrities get to live comfortably, and have their little get-togethers in Davos or Geneva wherein they laugh at the stupidity of those they oversee.

1987, for someone who spouts off about a 'New World Order' all the time, you sure like to believe your 'team' would never be corrupt enough to participate in something like that. You really think these Conservative politicians would take up arms, and fight against potential tyranny?

[Andrew NDB]

It's laughable people actually think the Conservative politicians actually care about us.

Yes, we know where you stand on politicians. For me, even if I don't believe or care that they personally do or don't care about me (and I think looking for saviors within politicians is a fallacy as you'd probably agree), it's enough that I believe they do care about very basic things of importance. The value of the nuclear family, protecting kids from indoctrination, the 2nd amendment, and securing the border, for starters. That's enough vs. the other side, who doesn't care about even one of those things and openly so.

[1987]

Sure, keep telling yourself that, bro.

It's laughable people actually think the Conservative politicians legit care about us. Or the liberal ones for those of you who think they care. It's even more laughable you claim that "people are getting tired of the the racidal leftist agenda". Same with "go woke, go broke", as if that's actually accomplishing anything (lol, people have been saying "derp derp the left are totally losing millions, they're gonna have to change and go back to making quality media now!!!" since 2016). Keep beating that drum, and ignore the apathy and malice coming from your fellow man. Meanwhile, the politicians, media, and the celebrities get to live comfortably, and have their little get-togethers in Davos or Geneva wherein they laugh at the stupidity of those they oversee.

1987, for someone who spouts off about a 'New World Order' all the time, you sure like to believe your 'team' would never be corrupt enough to participate in something like that. You really think these Conservative politicians would take up arms, and fight against potential tyranny?

I don’t identify as a republican, I thought I was a couple years ago during the 2020 madness, but after seeing all those republicans backstabbing Trump over the J6 setup, I realized republicans are fake puppets just like democrats. I would consider myself conservative though and right leaning. republicans like bush sr and gw bush were in on it, they are for new world order. controlled opposition. not all republicans are evil, but alot of them are, like mitt romney and liz cheney, and pence, etc, working with the corrupt dc establishment. there needs to be a third major political party called “the patriot party” for people that actually care and love their country.

https://i.imgur.com/ULetrWb.jpg

[superstaff]

there needs to be a third major political party called “the patriot party” for people that actually care and love their country.


The problem with having another, more popular 'third party' is that there's no guarantee that party wouldn't become corrupted, from the get-go or eventually. One of the major components of politics is politicians and their party getting funded, and thus gaining more visibility to the public. Most of that money is potentially dirty. Politicians are not generally idealists, and those who are rarely get elected (I think someone said this once...was it Carlin?? I don't know, but I remember this coming from somewhere). Another issue is that even if we get another political party to choose from, it's just going to splinter the populace even more. We, as a people, are more fractured and disconnected than ever. And people are not holding their politicians accountable, especially those in their 'team'. This is why power grabs done by the left are allowed by, well, the leftist supporters, and the same goes for the right. "My team can do no wrong" is the mentality that's destroying the country. We should really be demanding better 'service' from our leaders, on BOTH SIDES.

But nah. Best to just to post crap on Twitter, and yammer on about 'those filthy other guys' to get brownie points from the home team. In the meantime, the country continues to spin around the toilet with the many, many problems plaguing this nation (this world, really) getting worse.

Yes, we know where you stand on politicians. For me, even if I don't believe or care that they personally do or don't care about me (and I think looking for saviors within politicians is a fallacy as you'd probably agree), it's enough that I believe they do care about very basic things of importance. The value of the nuclear family, protecting kids from indoctrination, the 2nd amendment, and securing the border, for starters. That's enough vs. the other side, who doesn't care about even one of those things and openly so.

:lol: Ah, yes. The politicians on the right are totally saving the nuclear family, and 'protecting kids'. They'll singlehandedly bring back true morality to the US! I'm sure they'd never, ever turn if a corporation gave them a huge enough sack of cash. They're the modern day knights of the roundtable who can do no wrong. They also totally fought for the US when the lockdowns and vaccination mandates happened, and went out on a limb to defend all of our rights... Oh, wait. They didn't. Aside from the governor of South Dakota, they all enacted restrictions, and did nothing to combat that stuff, particularly outside their own 'bubble'. Hm. Yeah, true heroes!

[mrmaczaps]

I don’t identify as a republican, I thought I was a couple years ago during the 2020 madness, but after seeing all those republicans backstabbing Trump over the J6 setup, I realized republicans are fake puppets just like democrats. I would consider myself conservative though and right leaning. republicans like bush sr and gw bush were in on it, they are for new world order. controlled opposition. not all republicans are evil, but alot of them are, like mitt romney and liz cheney, and pence, etc, working with the corrupt dc establishment. there needs to be a third major political party called “the patriot party” for people that actually care and love their country.

https://i.imgur.com/ULetrWb.jpg

You do realize Trump is buddies with those people, right? The outrage the Lunatic Left has for him is manufactured. And even 3rd party candidates are just looking for power... Politicians all need to learn to respect we the people again.

Bring back tar & feathers.

[superstaff]

You do realize Trump is buddies with those people, right? The outrage the Lunatic Left has for him is manufactured. And even 3rd party candidates are just looking for power... Politicians all need to learn to respect we the people again.

Bring back tar & feathers.

I remember the pictures from 2021 of that summit Trump attended with Prince Charles, the Queen, Justin Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and, of course, the Clintons and Joe Biden. Yet people always deny that he's buddy-buddy with those types. "Nah! He just goes to those because he has to!!"

Oh, please. He has to go to meet-ups with corrupt politicians, leaders, and royalty? Does he really? Especially since he's not president anymore? You'd think this would ring some alarm bells. If Trump detested the establishment so much then why is he rubbing elbows with, well, the establishment?

[mrmaczaps]

I remember the pictures from 2021 of that summit Trump attended with Prince Charles, the Queen, Justin Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and, of course, the Clintons and Joe Biden. Yet people always deny that he's buddy-buddy with those types. "Nah! He just goes to those because he has to!!"

Oh, please. He has to go to meet-ups with corrupt politicians, leaders, and royalty? Does he really? Especially since he's not president anymore? You'd think this would ring some alarm bells. If Trump detested the establishment so much then why is he rubbing elbows with, well, the establishment?

He is part of the establishment. He locked us down. He fast tracked the poison covid vaxx. He shut down the economy. I will never understand & side with these nutty "Trump will save us" clowns. They're just as bad as Biden apologists.

[1987]

You do realize Trump is buddies with those people, right? The outrage the Lunatic Left has for him is manufactured. And even 3rd party candidates are just looking for power... Politicians all need to learn to respect we the people again.

Bring back tar & feathers.

I’ve hear rumors about Trump being in on it, but idk, haven’t seen any real solid proof.

He is part of the establishment. He locked us down. He fast tracked the poison covid vaxx. He shut down the economy. I will never understand & side with these nutty "Trump will save us" clowns. They're just as bad as Biden apologists.

He didn’t lock us down, wasn’t it up to each state? Florida was only locked down for 14 days to slow the spread, since they have a pro-freedom governor. Here in CA we have a communist governor, so there was more lockdowns, restrictions, and forcemasking. Also the leftists having a stronghold on the mainstream media narrative had a lot to do with it.

I get what you’re saying, about his involvement with the vaccines, but you gotta realize he was just one guy going up against the New World Order, who knows, they probably threatened his family or something if he didn’t do their bidding. If anything he made more people wake up to the corruption of the DC establishment, I never really even cared about politics until 2020. If he was part of the establishment why would they still be demonizing him and keep those J6 hearings going to prevent him from running again?

He was never supposed to win, so if anything he threw a wrench into the New World Order plans. The dems didn’t cheat so hard in 2016 cause they though hillary would win, that’s why they went hard with covid lockdowns, racism riots, and mail in voting in 2020, they were desperate to install xiden.

If hillary was installed in 2016, who knows where we’d be at now. It was her turn.

https://i.imgur.com/MyZ0M4C.jpg

[Mayhem]

Conservatives don’t have time for all that, they are too busy working and they’re taxpayer dollars are being used for leftist agenda programs so that liberals don’t have to work. Yeah, it’s a huge scam. Not sure how much more people gonna put up with this radical leftist agenda, they are really pushing their limits.
You do realise most blue states are net contributors to Government coffers (as in they pay more taxes and revenue than cost the state in benefits etc) whereas most red states are drains on the economy, paying less tax and revenue than paid in benefits. So the blue states actually keep the country going in a way…

[IMJ]

You do realise most blue states are net contributors to Government coffers (as in they pay more taxes and revenue than cost the state in benefits etc) whereas most red states are drains on the economy, paying less tax and revenue than paid in benefits. So the blue states actually keep the country going in a way…

This is true! In of itself, this metric makes for a great go-to "argument statement" to people who won't otherwise consider why it's like this. It's a good sheep-manipulator. ;) But the real question is how and why wealth is distributed this way and how can the wealth possibly match up to the projected "values" of the wealthy?

Here's a point of consideration to get gears turning - if the "blue rich actors in California" pay so much in taxes, and they champion "social justice" and "social narratives", then why do their social programs need additional funding all the time and why are there so many homeless people in California when all of the money is there?

I could explain it, but I'll let everyone here have their own epiphanies.

[Mayhem]

Here's a point of consideration to get gears turning - if the "blue rich actors in California" pay so much in taxes, and they champion "social justice" and "social narratives", then why do their social programs need additional funding all the time and why are there so many homeless people in California when all of the money is there?

I could explain it, but I'll let everyone here have their own epiphanies.
Because many of them aren't as rich as you think, and why should it be their responsibility to solely fund all the ills and inequalities in the state? Btw the tax revenues go to the central Government so it's their choice where the money then goes to outwards. I was merely commenting that more goes out of blue states than comes in. Whether some of that needs to increase (California as you note) is another matter for discussion.

As for the homeless, because it's so damn expensive to live in California, knowing a few people who live and work there. Most homeless are singletons, suggesting down and outs, or veterans etc. Although as a percentage of the population, it's a lot closer with some other states.

[Andrew NDB]

Because many of them aren't as rich as you think, and why should it be their responsibility to solely fund all the ills and inequalities in the state? Btw the tax revenues go to the central Government so it's their choice where the money then goes to outwards. I was merely commenting that more goes out of blue states than comes in. Whether some of that needs to increase (California as you note) is another matter for discussion.

As for the homeless, because it's so damn expensive to live in California, knowing a few people who live and work there. Most homeless are singletons, suggesting down and outs, or veterans etc. Although as a percentage of the population, it's a lot closer with some other states.

I think you're missing wh -- ... eh.

[IMJ]

I think you're missing wh -- ... eh.

Yyyyup....

[1987]

we are paying higher gas prices now to make sure billionaire warren buffet doesn’t lose money after donating to biden campaign

https://i.imgur.com/DWAbKl5.jpg

The Keystone pipeline was cancelled by Biden on first day in office. Warren Buffet owns the railroad that is now transporting all that oil. Warren Buffet donated 58 million to Biden campaign. Warren Buffet would lose billions in transport fees if the pipeline is completed. See how politics works? It is not an environmental issue, it is a money issue.

[Mayhem]

You’ll say fake MSM news, but the cancellation of the pipeline has been shown to have had no effect on the price of gas at the pump.

[mrmaczaps]

How do you know you've had to much koolaid:


You’ll say fake MSM news, but the cancellation of the pipeline has been shown to have had no effect on the price of gas at the pump.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mayhem]

We don’t get Koolaid here, pedo Hitler ****er, try again. Hey, see I can sling the random insults out too. Just keep living in your echo chamber…

[Leo656]

We don’t get Koolaid here

Jesus, no wonder you people are so crochety and uptight. You've never had a giant pitcher-man smash through your living room wall and pour ultra-sweetened fruit drink out of his head.

It's jarring the first time but you get used to it. Turns out there's a whole separate insurance form and everything but the government takes care of most of it. If you get two "visits" from Kool-Aid Man in one year, they actually give YOU money for being such a good sport about it.

It's fun, it's like a more-destructive and fruity-flavored Christmas morning. You guys are deprived over there.

[CyberCubed]

It's times like this I'm glad I haven't drove a car since 2006, which is like 15+ years ago now. Goddamn. I can't imagine paying for gas and car insurance nowadays. I can't stand the metrocards as is.

[Mayhem]

Jesus, no wonder you people are so crochety and uptight. You've never had a giant pitcher-man smash through your living room wall and pour ultra-sweetened fruit drink out of his head.

It's jarring the first time but you get used to it. Turns out there's a whole separate insurance form and everything but the government takes care of most of it. If you get two "visits" from Kool-Aid Man in one year, they actually give YOU money for being such a good sport about it.

It's fun, it's like a more-destructive and fruity-flavored Christmas morning. You guys are deprived over there.
:lol:

I've drunk Koolaid when I've been in the US, definitely, but it's been years now. I'm not aware of it being sold in the UK at all, except maybe in specialist US import sections in stores (an excellent place to find stupidly sugary Pop Tarts)

[1987]

US exporting over 5 million barrels of oil to Europe and Asia last month from US oil reserves despite record high gas prices

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/us-continues-export-record-levels-oil-reserves-despite-record-high-gas-prices/

LoL tHe PrEsIdEnT dOeSn’T cOnTrOl ThE gAs PrIcEs LoL

it’s Trump’s fault
it’s Putin’s fault
it’s China’s fault
it’s the oil companies’s fault
it SCOTUS’s fault
it’s the unvaccinated’s fault

it’s anyone’s fault BUT Biden’s

https://i.imgur.com/19TXyCo.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/Xv6iIDA.jpg?1

[Coola Yagami]

US exporting over 5 million barrels of oil to Europe and Asia last month from US oil reserves despite record high gas prices



Lately it feels like the current administration care more about any other country except our own.

[mrmaczaps]

Lately it feels like the current administration care more about any other country except our own.

Because they're trying to kill us all... or enslave us. Duh.

[1987]

Lately it feels like the current administration care more about any other country except our own.

Not just lately, from day 1 when biden took office it’s felt that way. Those of us “conspiracy theorists” knew that biden was pro NWO, pro green new deal, pro force-vaxxing, pro open borders. We knew about his racist past and money laundering son in ukraine. It’s really just surprising how much damage he has done in just 18 months. The 3 red banners in the biden logo means communism, they’re not even trying to hide it

https://i.imgur.com/r8un8ba.jpg?1

Because they're trying to kill us all... or enslave us. Duh.

It does seem that the NWO is making some crazy moves lately, bill gates buying up all that farmland is very concerning.

One of the slickest Illuminati moves is how they turned their depopulation agenda into a social movement where the very people they aim to kill, rally for their own extermination. Top notch evil sorcery right there.

This was on the UN website but they’ve since deleted it

https://i.imgur.com/dt7e1qh.png?1

[1987]

china joe!

https://i.imgur.com/e8Y66tF.jpg?1

[Cowabung-Gal]

You should've invested in an electric car. Have fun paying high prices for your dirty fuel. #sorrynotsorry

So you’re willing to be a patron for Tesla then? That is assuming you could even afford it.

[Vegita-San]

So, what causes a recession? did it start with the baby formula? the high gas price? the war?

bought 4 things from the store the other day, $40's. insanity. if this doesn't wake up democrats, there is no saving them.

[mrmaczaps]

So, what causes a recession? did it start with the baby formula? the high gas price? the war?

bought 4 things from the store the other day, $40's. insanity. if this doesn't wake up democrats, there is no saving them.

There is no saving most of them...

[sdp]

technodromers please report
You should've invested in an electric car. Have fun paying high prices for your dirty fuel. #sorrynotsorry

based

also this thread for further rage
https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=9292

[Andrew NDB]

The left will find a way to get you no matter what. Even if you get an electric car, most blue states are already figuring out ways to tax the mileage you're using on the roads now. And meanwhile electric costs are skyrocketing.

[ToTheNines]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9i1HOg29AoO2wnSTFXN4s8dOQ5ICaO nlG3DOF-C9q7w&s=10

[IMJ]

-shrugs-
I just bought an electric motorcycle.

Didn't stop me from droppin' 75 bucks to fill up my Terrain Elevation though....

[Barkworm]

Getting rid of both Diesels within the next six months for two EVs , also got solar panels and will have a heat pump installed in our house next year. Bye bye, fossil fuels.

[Andrew NDB]

Bye bye, fossil fuels.

How's that been working out for Germany these days, anyway?

[Barkworm]

It could go well if our government took more risks and didn‘t have their heads up the fossil fuel‘s industry‘s assholes. But as usual, I‘m talking about myself and I‘ll be fossil fuel free by the end of 2027.

[Andrew NDB]

It could go well if our government took more risks and didn‘t have their heads up the fossil fuel‘s industry‘s assholes. But as usual, I‘m talking about myself and I‘ll be fossil fuel free by the end of 2027.

I will try to use more fossil fuels in my day to day, so as to make up the difference from your moving away from it.

[Barkworm]

How witty!

In all seriousness, this is not about me being a green freak. It's about being independent. Independent from Russia, Qatar or the US. The amount of fossil fuels you waste does not matter to me.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I admire your dedication to the environment, Barkworm. Kudos.

That's not me being sarcastic. May the German Green Party win.

[Andrew NDB]

How witty!

In all seriousness, this is not about me being a green freak. It's about being independent. Independent from Russia, Qatar or the US. The amount of fossil fuels you waste does not matter to me.

But Germany does produce some fossil fuels of its own. Not a LOT, and not nearly enough to match the need there, but it does. So fossil fuel is not like a foreign thing there.

[Barkworm]

As usual, you didn't read properly. It's not about Germany. German conservatives keeping the dying coal industry alive is of no concern to me. I don't pay for electricity from coal fired power plants.

Also, if this WAS about Germany, over 95 per cent of the electricity used here is also produced here so... you misread something. Again?

I admire your dedication to the environment, Barkworm. Kudos.

That's not me being sarcastic. May the German Green Party win.
Bro, thanks but that's not what I was saying. I do care about the environment but this is mainly about not having to get angry about greedy idiots in power. Having to pay way to much for natural gas and diesel because some people in charge go insane is what I want to be free from. Being environmentally friendly is a bonus.

[Andrew NDB]

As usual, you didn't read properly. It's not about Germany. German conservatives keeping the dying coal industry alive is of no concern to me. I don't pay for electricity from coal fired power plants.


It's not just coal, though. According to what I'm looking at Germany -- what they're drilling in-country -- produces about 28,000 barrels of crude oil a day. So about 10 million barrels a year.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, who cares about that ridiculous amount. It's almost exhausted anyway.

Our government is stupid for still betting on oil. Most of it is bought from Norway where virtually everyone drives an EV. Should make you think...