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1987

06-12-2022, 09:30 AM

superstaff

06-12-2022, 10:50 AM

gay pride month is happening now, can’t overlook it when every major corporation has decorated their logos with rainbows. it used to be it’s own thing where most people just like “ahh whatever, let them have their parade” i really didn’t care about it, but now they are desperately trying to make it mainstream.

It's been mainstream for the last few years already. In fact, I believe it was 2020 when it began to really, really ramp up in 'popularity' with lots of corporate grandstanding.

do you think it’s bigoted how it’s called gay pride month, instead of lgbtqia+ month, cause the term “gay” mainly focuses on cisgendered homosexual men, right? what about the other members of that community, lesbians, transgenders etc, shouldn’t they be represented?

You're right, and wrong. Sort of. A lot of it is exclusively gay (and lesbian, really) focused. A lot. Some places make an effort to include the rest of the community, though not often. Like I've said in other posts on here, I do see a lot of the gay/lesbian community turn their noses on the rest of the 'alphabet groups', and there's a lot of animosity between the groups in reality.

however i think they are taking things a bit far this year, the left is trying to normalize “drag shows for kids” and schools are forcefully indoctrinating a lgbtqia+ woke agenda on their students wtf? for the .01%. how have times changed to this extremism? like they’re trying to force kids to be transgender, it’s sickening, nothing against transgenders, but they shouldn’t be forcing that ideology on kids, let them decide on their own. wow didn’t know the left was so hell bent on abolishing the nuclear family, it’s bigoted.

I think there's a huge difference between educating children on homosexuality, and...'drag shows for kids'. I'll say this right now, I've never liked beauty pageants and the like, especially for children. Little girls being paraded around in very skimpy outfits, and being judged on their looks and weight is gross to me. I see drag shows being more or less the same, it's treating children like playthings and fashion accessories. In both instances, parents are using their kids as well, to show them off like purse poodles. It's just that in the case of these junior drag shows, there's an added component of parents also showing off how 'open minded' and 'accepting' they are. Trust me, my mother tried to turn me into a beauty queen as a kid, so I understood a lot of the 'psychology' behind this stuff. Luckily, I never got accepted into any beauty shows. :ohwell:

Anyway, back on topic. I may or may not be roasted for this here. Though I think banning all education and talk of homosexuality is excessive. Homosexuality and transgenderism and the like all exist. Most kids know they exist, even when parents try to hide it. I know mine did, and I still grew up knowing what gayness was, and am bi myself. Almost as if...trying to hide this stuff from people doesn't work. The healthy medium, of course, is to make it known that they exist, and lightly educate children on it little by little. No, I'm not saying we should teach kindergartners about different gay sex positions either. Obviously, as kids get older, the education on sex becomes more varied, and complicated.

I got most of my sex education in late elementary school (fifth grade) into middle school. It was exclusively heterosexual, and honestly, it was pretty trash. I don't have a very good opinion of the educational system, and I think most people in general are awful teachers, and even worse at teaching sex education of any kind. My experiences are probably weird because I became sexually active as a young teen, and a lot of my 'education' came from early 2000s internet. Even then, I went through a lot of unnecessary stress because I still didn't 'get' certain aspects of biological sex (aka I'd freak out over late periods and thought I somehow got pregnant even if I hadn't had actual sex). My religious parents, predictably, did jackshit to educate me either, and basically tried to paint all sex as deviant and evil (joke's on them, it didn't stick to me the way they wanted it to :P). Anyway, a lot of people, even those involved in the LGBT+ community, don't 'get' it.

For instance, I think some kids do suffer from gender dysmorphia. I've witnessed firsthand from people I used to know that it can be crippling and depressing. But then there's kids that got through phases, and believe that preferring a Hot Wheels car to a Barbie makes them trans. In high school, I knew a kid that cycled through phases: he thought he was gay, then he thought he was bi, then he thought he was straight, then he was gay again, etc. We all, him included, would joke about it. "Are you gay or bi this week?" I'd ask him, and he'd go, "Hm...bi? I think?" I feel like...the way things are now, people expect kids who are questioning themselves and their bodies/sexuality to conform to a label IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER. Thus, to many in the LGBT+ community, a child questioning whether they are trans or not prompts them to immediately pressure that child into conforming to being trans.

It's really not different from other groups. I remember the pressure in church for everyone there to be Christian and become Baptized. As a child, the other churchgoers actually tried to force me to get Baptized. There were a lot of reasons I refused, though they were wholly unsympathetic to it. If I came to church, I needed to be like the rest of them, and get Baptized. The pressure was tough on me. I didn't get Baptized in the end, though I know others who would give in, and do it so they could be considered a part of the group.

the left claims to be the party of love and diversity, stand with ukraine, they love their muslim neighbors etc. even though muslims hate gays, the left will quickly label you bigoted and islamaphobic if you speak out against the barbaric practices of the muslim taliban. but what happens when 2 woke ideologies collide?

https://i.imgur.com/DTLYhTp.jpg?2

I mean.

The right also claims to be the party of love and acceptance. I've had conservatives tell me I deserve to burn in hell for being a 'SJW', bi, being a minority, not being religious, etc. I honestly hate both sides, and their hypocrisy is both hilarious, and sad. Humanity is going down a really dark path right now, and the political discord is going to screw us all over in the end.

To specifically address your hypothetical about Muslims and homophobia, and how the left react to it? I've seen them mostly deflect that notion because, yes, it is contradictory. Thing is, they don't care, and they don't really ponder those notions too deeply. Many of the followers of leftist ideology just follow what they're told by their political overlords. Same with the right, honestly. If you really look into both political ideologies with a magnifying glass, you'll soon discover there's a lot of contradictions in beliefs they follow.

Anyway, going back to the main topic... I don't mind the idea of having themed months like black history month, and the like. It would be a nice opportunity, especially for kids, to learn more about other cultures, and the accomplishments of people within those groups. That's not what these months are for nowadays, and the corporatization and politicization of it all makes it very obvious what the real motive behind it is.

1987

06-12-2022, 01:44 PM

I think there's a huge difference between educating children on homosexuality, and...'drag shows for kids'. I'll say this right now, I've never liked beauty pageants and the like, especially for children. Little girls being paraded around in very skimpy outfits, and being judged on their looks and weight is gross to me. I see drag shows being more or less the same, it's treating children like playthings and fashion accessories. In both instances, parents are using their kids as well, to show them off like purse poodles. It's just that in the case of these junior drag shows, there's an added component of parents also showing off how 'open minded' and 'accepting' they are. Trust me, my mother tried to turn me into a beauty queen as a kid, so I understood a lot of the 'psychology' behind this stuff. Luckily, I never got accepted into any beauty shows. :ohwell:

it just seems so forced these days, ever since biden took office and appointed that transgendered health secretary, we been flooded with excessive amounts of lgbtqia+ propaganda and virtue signaling. im sure some of that community also doesn’t want so much attention drawn to them. it seems they just want to encourage more gay/lesbian to adopt and become parents, like modern family. if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle? we’ve been seeing the whole “theybies” saga evolve.

For instance, I think some kids do suffer from gender dysmorphia. I've witnessed firsthand from people I used to know that it can be crippling and depressing. But then there's kids that got through phases, and believe that preferring a Hot Wheels car to a Barbie makes them trans. In high school, I knew a kid that cycled through phases: he thought he was gay, then he thought he was bi, then he thought he was straight, then he was gay again, etc. We all, him included, would joke about it. "Are you gay or bi this week?" I'd ask him, and he'd go, "Hm...bi? I think?" I feel like...the way things are now, people expect kids who are questioning themselves and their bodies/sexuality to conform to a label IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER. Thus, to many in the LGBT+ community, a child questioning whether they are trans or not prompts them to immediately pressure that child into conforming to being trans.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life vs being indoctrinated. that’s how it’s always been but there’s just too much propaganda and manipulation being forced now, most people get sick of it after a while, and if a kid just so happens to be adopted by an lgbtqia+ couple, well, that’s just their fate i guess.

To specifically address your hypothetical about Muslims and homophobia, and how the left react to it? I've seen them mostly deflect that notion because, yes, it is contradictory. Thing is, they don't care, and they don't really ponder those notions too deeply. Many of the followers of leftist ideology just follow what they're told by their political overlords. Same with the right, honestly. If you really look into both political ideologies with a magnifying glass, you'll soon discover there's a lot of contradictions in beliefs they follow.

that is true because obama is pro muslim, anti christianity and he is idolized by the left. most leftist that tolerate the bigotry from islam and bow down to them, are complete opposite toward “the patriarchy” as they call it, cry white supremacy, and their goal seems to be to abolish the nuclear family in america.

the leftist may stand with ukraine but little do they realize ukraine does not recognize same-sex marriage.

Leo656

06-12-2022, 02:06 PM

however i think they are taking things a bit far this year, the left is trying to normalize “drag shows for kids” and schools are forcefully indoctrinating a lgbtqia+ woke agenda on their students wtf?

I have no problem with gay people but it blows my mind how anyone can't see that This Stuff Here is way, way, way too far.

I mean we're pumping out high school graduates who can barely read or write, but it's like SUPER important that we teach 4-year olds about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery, you guys. :roll:

superstaff

06-12-2022, 02:08 PM

it just seems so forced these days, ever since biden took office and appointed that transgendered health secretary, we been flooded with excessive amounts of lgbtqia+ propaganda and virtue signaling.

This has been happening way before Biden. This happened during and before Trump was in office too.

im sure some of that community also doesn’t want so much attention drawn to them. it seems they just want to encourage more gay/lesbian to adopt and become parents, like modern family. if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle? we’ve been seeing the whole “theybies” saga evolve.

That's really not true... A lot of people don't grow up to be clones of their parents. I didn't. Being raised by gay parents doesn't mean the kid(s) will be gay either. And there's straight parents that have 'theybies', in fact, I see more hetero couples with theybies than not.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life vs being indoctrinated. that’s how it’s always been but there’s just too much propaganda and manipulation being forced now, most people get sick of it after a while, and if a kid just so happens to be adopted by an lgbtqia+ couple, well, that’s just their fate i guess.

Propaganda and manipulation exist everywhere, if people can't see past the stuff fed to them by their families, schools, churches, whatever, and form their own opinions then...that's on them, and they'll have to live with the decisions they make subsequently. Like I said in my previous comment, most people seem to do anything so they can fit in with their group. This applies to any organized group.

that is true because obama is pro muslim, anti christianity and he is idolized by the left. most leftist that tolerate the bigotry from islam and bow down to them, are complete opposite toward “the patriarchy” as they call it, cry white supremacy, and their goal seems to be to abolish the nuclear family in america.

The agenda is to divide as many people as possible, and the goal is for the government to step in, and enact a means to control the populace through taxation and making many laws under the cloak of 'safety'. This is also not only happening in the US. However, the 'nuclear family' has been gone for decades now, and gay people aren't the reason why it's been destroyed. There are many reasons for this as well. Most families have been, and still are a f*cked up mess. I don't think I've met a single person who has had a perfect family life (aka husband + wife, happy marriage, '2.5 kids', etc), ever.

IndigoErth

06-12-2022, 02:14 PM

if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle?
If that's the way humans biologically work, then explain all the gay people who were born from and raised by typical, run of the mill straight parents over the decades and centuries, including long before gayness was a public topic.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life
So make sure all the straight kids live in an indoctrinated safety bubble where only straighness exists, any other orientation is viewed as nonexistent, and go back to cruel times when kids who realize they aren't straight have to try to be invisible about it and be on their guard to not accidentally reveal themselves, else the sheltered and entitled straight kids, who aren't exposed to diversity and the concept of tolerance among peers, will behave toward non-straight non-cis peers in reprehensible ways.

Remember Matthew Shepard? Is that what you want for kids today via making them exist in the shadows? Because it's that kind of reason why straight people needed exposure to harmless but "different" aspects of some people so they don't go around mistreating, abusing, and sometimes killing them. Insist that kids should but kept in a safe space hetero-only bubble of life knowledge and that mistreatment and ostracization of peers is what you're only going to get more of.

My personal feeling on pride month, etc... Eh? More power to 'em, I'm more or less different. It's not my fight, but don't stand in anyone's way of civil and social issues they face and may need to see improvement on. Their existence and wanting and needing inclusion in society like anyone else doesn't scare me or make me insecure. Them being who they are is not going to somehow makes kids any different than who they themselves are 'intended' to be in life, it doesn't work that way. Gayness (etc) is no more pornographic or scandalous or inappropriate in public unless someone is making it so. Don't feel any of it needs to be pushed and specifically taught, but if kids see a gay couple and have questions, or even questions about their own feelings they think are "different" than their peers, then I see no problem in the proper adult discussing things with them at an age appropriate level.

superstaff

06-12-2022, 02:20 PM

Remember Matthew Shepard? Is that what you want for kids today via making them exist in the shadows? Because it's that kind of reason why straight people needed exposure to harmless but "different" aspects of some people so they don't go around mistreating, abusing, and sometimes killing them. Insist that kids should but kept in a safe space hetero-only bubble of life knowledge and that mistreatment and ostracization of peers is what you're only going to get more of.

I think there's definitely a happy medium between sheltering children to the point of pretending homosexuality and transgenderism don't exist, and teaching kindergarteners about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery...

Problem is, both sides are so radicalized and unwilling to compromise that they only see two options: a) hide it all away from the children and teens forever, or b) teach small children everything about LGBT+, including subjects they couldn't comprehend at a young age. A happy medium doesn't exist to many people.

Leo656

06-12-2022, 02:24 PM

I do have some questions about how kids raised in a "gay bubble" (for lack of a better term) turn out, statistically.

While it's 100% true that not everyone grows up to be a mirror reflection of the environment they were raised in, at the same time this is the first time in recorded human history where we have "out and proud" homosexuals raising children openly and I can't help but wonder what kind of effect that has. Like, not for nothing, but I do know a few gay people who are especially spiteful towards "the straights" - which is a bit understandable, don't get me wrong - and while these specific individuals don't have kids, it's pretty clear to me that if they did have kids and those kids turned out straight, they'd be just as aghast and disappointed as a typical conservative Christian whose kids turn out gay. Same thing from the other direction. MANY parents do their level best to turn their kids into smaller versions of themselves, and they do it on multiple levels.

So like... can we prove that at least some of these gay parents aren't "nudging" their kids along on their preferred path? I mean, it's a variable.

superstaff

06-12-2022, 02:44 PM

I do have some questions about how kids raised in a "gay bubble" (for lack of a better term) turn out, statistically.

Problem with using statistics nowadays is that they are super skewed in whatever direction the scientists gathering the data want it to go. So the pro-gay stats will say stuff like "89% of kids raised in gay households are now successful and happy, well adjusted citizens". The anti-gay stats will say stuff like "89% of kids raised in gay households are now neurotic, depressed, homicidal criminals". I've seen both online. It's hard to really, truly gauge it with actual cold, hard facts.

So like... can we prove that at least some of these gay parents aren't "nudging" their kids along on their preferred path? I mean, it's a variable.

I ain't gonna lie here. I'm sure parents like that exist. Because many parents are just bad, and narcissistic...therefore, they are the types who are trying to create Mini Mes of themselves. Believe me, that was how I was raised. My mother wanted a perfect angel that looked and acted like her, she would even lament this to me (and still does now). I think in my specific case, I was somehow a very stubborn, pigheaded child that would disobey when situations became uncomfortable for me.

Like I said above, I had those adults and kids in my former church trying to pressure me into a Baptism as well. It was actually pretty intimidating because they'd be like, "If you don't get Baptized, you might go to hell, sweetie!" They'd say that sort of thing through these Stepford Smiles of theirs, and even kid me could tell it was...creepy. But I just rejected it anyhow. Sadly, most people conform because, well, it's how they get approval from their peers. As you could tell, not conforming came with a huge price for me. I'm not exactly a super beloved person with a close network of friends and family.

Anyway, thing is, bad parents like that come in all shapes and sizes. There are likely gay parents who try to push their kids towards that lifestyle, sure. There are other types of parents who also try to push their kids into all sorts of stuff that they deem for their 'own good' as well. It sucks, but at the very end of the day, people need to say "Stop" if their parents or whoever are trying to muck up their lives and they don't want that. In my experience, that's easier said than done, because most people want to please others around them including their own parents. Thing is, what can be done? I don't think, short of having the government step in (I highly advise against people telling the government to tell them how to raise kids...I really, truly do) with crap like tests or whatever (let me reiterate, never give the government that kind of power :o), there's not much else people can do. We're at the mercy of our environments, and how we are raised, though we also possess free will... It's just a very complicated situation with no easy answers.

IndigoErth

06-12-2022, 02:46 PM

and teaching kindergarteners about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery...
I read people going on about this stuff, but I've yet to actually see info on where that has actually happened. (Links anyone? That aren't hysterical conspiracy sources.)

I know a kindergartner. (Okay he just passed kindergarten this week.) Trying to get this kid to listen and pay attention to anything he's being told at this age is near impossible, let alone topics that would be way over his young brain to grasp what the words even mean to begin with. Age appropriate issue aside, it sounds like a waste of time to get this age to listen to anything beyond what actually interests them anyhow, let alone teachers trying to impart the beginnings of learning. (Ghosts, monsters, Minecraft, Plants Vs. Zombies... you'd likely get his attention with those, but he'll barge in and want to do all the talking. Anything else, forget it.)

I think he knows that some men and women love people of their own gender, and that's fine, but he's still struggling with grasping the beginnings of reading and those life basics, so I really think more personal matters of the world around him have plenty of time to come later.

Locally, the only drag queen stuff I've heard of as far as kids are concerned is some kind of story time thing at a library. I don't really have an issue with that. It isn't teaching them about drag queens or any orientation, they're just reading normal storybooks, and if they're all dolled up then honestly, young kids may not really see much difference between the drag queens and, say, other costumed characters at Disney or whatnot, since it is more or less a character they preform. And those who have a problem with it can simply skip that kind of library event.

1987

06-14-2022, 11:01 PM

Locally, the only drag queen stuff I've heard of as far as kids are concerned is some kind of story time thing at a library. I don't really have an issue with that. It isn't teaching them about drag queens or any orientation, they're just reading normal storybooks, and if they're all dolled up then honestly, young kids may not really see much difference between the drag queens and, say, other costumed characters at Disney or whatnot, since it is more or less a character they preform. And those who have a problem with it can simply skip that kind of library event.

So you’re okay with perverted grown men dressing up as women and hanging out with little kids? Why am I not surprised, seems to be a current high priority of the leftist agenda. And sure, the sane parents can “skip it” and keep their kids safe, but what about those lunatic leftist pink and blue haired parents who are into that nasty stuff, and their kids have no choice but to attend?

Check out this NBC narrative of how that poor harmless transgender just wanted to read a book for children at the library until those big bad klansmen showed up on the same day a “group of white nationalists (aka feds) attempted to riot at a pride parade” before Youtube turns off the comments:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E916ypQenNc

Here’s another perspective of the incident, those guys show those masked morons a video what this drag queen dude, panda dulce, is really all about, what he wants to do with kids:

https://gab.com/MrAmericanPatriot/posts/108475729971103705

sickening. the left supports this agenda

here’s Alex Jones take on this new trend, yeah I know, tinfoil hat blah blah blah

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1534620955816902656

Leo656

06-14-2022, 11:53 PM

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

I guess I'm warped by all the stories I've read in the news about teachers, scout leaders, priests, foster parents, and so on turning out to be pedophiles. Sure, it's not all or even most, but... way too many for my comfort, and it's always people who "Just seemed like they were so great with kids!" Like, yeah, obviously... because they wanted to f*ck them. Naturally they'd be "great with kids"; that's how they get ya.

But yeah, when a person - men especially - says "I just love kids, I love being around them, if I can't be around them it causes me actual distress"... yeah, can't lie, my first instinct is "pedo". Maybe I'm too cynical, but at the same time, Better Safe Than Sorry, I reckon.

If the guy is wearing a dress, well... double those red flags. Sorry, not sorry. It's bad enough that any grown man wants to be around young kids at all, that's already suspect as hell. If they're wearing lipstick and a wig and going full Cher... yeah, no, if I had kids then I definitely do not want That Guy anywhere near them.

There's just types of people I don't trust. Like a male gynecologist. Oh, yeah, no, they're definitely not in the business just because they like going elbows-deep in other guys' wives and daughters. It's all totally innocent and legit and above-board, nothing shady going on there at all. Same thing with any grown man who "loves kids". Yeah, I BET you f*cking do, pal. They can't hold a proper conversation and don't bother to wipe their hands between digging in their ass and picking their nose, and then they stick those fingers right in their mouth, but oh yeah, sure, kids are f*cking adorable. Right. And anyone who wants to be around them On Purpose definitely isn't just some creepy f*cking weirdo.

And a guy in a dress is already a f*cking weirdo, so now you're doubling up the creep factor. Just no, all the way around, just No. If you're a parent, or guardian, and you're okay with that kinda thing, I don't think you should get to cry when your kid ends up getting molested by the nice, friendly guy in a dress who "just really likes kids a bunch". You chose "tolerance" over common sense, I don't think you really should get to complain when the inevitable happens. You were warned. Just like those people in Loudon County, VA were warned that letting a guy use the girls' bathroom would cause problems; the "tolerance" brigade won that argument, and then two girls got raped by the guy in a skirt who "just wanted the freedom to be themselves."

I think when kids are concerned, common sense and protecting them should count for more than "tolerance". Get them through childhood without getting raped, molested or murdered, first, and then after that they can have the rest of their life to practice tolerance and understanding. They're fine virtues to have... as adults. When kids are concerned, being suspicious of EVERYONE is the right track to take.

Especially with regard towards people who are Obvious Creeps to start with. Juuuust sayin'.

1987

06-15-2022, 12:19 PM

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

Exactly this. These men dressed in drag are gay sex maniacs. Who the hell would justify having them be around kids? Only liberals virtue signaling for woke points, love and acceptance.

To question the logic behind this “drag queen story time for children” the left will label you transphobic and bigoted. that’s how they get away with everything.

https://i.imgur.com/qNvtQfI.jpg?1

superstaff

06-15-2022, 01:25 PM

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

I guess I'm warped by all the stories I've read in the news about teachers, scout leaders, priests, foster parents, and so on turning out to be pedophiles. Sure, it's not all or even most, but... way too many for my comfort, and it's always people who "Just seemed like they were so great with kids!" Like, yeah, obviously... because they wanted to f*ck them. Naturally they'd be "great with kids"; that's how they get ya.

But yeah, when a person - men especially - says "I just love kids, I love being around them, if I can't be around them it causes me actual distress"... yeah, can't lie, my first instinct is "pedo". Maybe I'm too cynical, but at the same time, Better Safe Than Sorry, I reckon.

Whenever people say this, I just have to counter that no one can be trusted with children. No one. Not even parents. And yes, honestly, some parents and 'trusted family members' end up abusing children. Thing is, child molesters come in all shapes and sizes, man. There's coaches, there's teachers, there's priests, there's Uncle Joes, doctors, dentists, lawyers, politicians, men, women, fathers, mothers, etc etc etc.

'Men in dresses' aren't automatically pedophiles, and there's many seemingly normal men who turn out to have molested their own kids. There's men who do love kids, because they just enjoy their company...................and, yeah, I can't find better wording than that so shush. :oops:

I just find it a huge shame that men can't admit to liking kids or wanting to be fathers without being slapped with a "you're a pedo" label. Because I can understand why people would want to be parents or teachers or just like hanging with their nine year old nephews or whatever. People do look at you funny if you're not 'normal', and do anything that can be deemed 'suspicious'. Even as a woman, I get glared at when I walk down a toy aisle at Walmart or get asked "Uh, why are you wearing a shirt with a cartoon on it?".

The sad truth is that children are not inherently safe with anyone. Can't even say it's safe with their own parents because some parents are actually dangerous for kids to be around. There's just...not much that can be done because there's many kids who will fall through the cracks, and end up exposed to harmful situations. Unless we relinquish all parenting rights over and let the government raise kids (...........which I do not recommend, at all), like, there's not much we can do except be vigilant, and attempt to protect kids...though even that's no guarantee either.

Leo656

06-15-2022, 03:24 PM

superstaff

06-15-2022, 03:45 PM

True, but I do feel like there is a way to reasonably minimize the potential for damage by an exponential degree. You limit external risk factors whenever possible. It's true that sometimes "You can't even trust the parents", but for society to function we have to at least ASSUME we can. But everyone outside of those two people should be looked at as a potential predator as a matter of course.

Thing is, if we look at everyone outside of parents as potential predators, then...what, we can never trust anyone again? Parents can't have their siblings babysit their kids alone out of the fear that they may be a child molester? Or allow kids to take lessons or join clubs because the instructors could be molesters? I just feel like the best thing parents can do is to prepare their kids for potential danger, and have a good enough relationship that has the child feel safe enough to go to them with any 'funny business' that could happen. Trust me, my parents were the types who told me everyone was possibly a child molester. Didn't help me much in the end. I never got molested (it almost happened, though I defended myself...and it was due to my grandma's lesson: "If anyone tries to touch you down there and you don't want them to, bite them as hard as you can"), but holy f*ck, I am a mess that can't trust anyone.

And I'm sorry, but the few people I ever knew personally who were "gay enough" to go around in drag, EVERYTHING about them was Sex, Sex, Sex constantly. Every conversation, every facet of their personality, EVERYTHING about them was hyper-sexualized. So yeah, nah, they don't need to be around kids. I just wouldn't want to take that chance. WHY do they wanna be around kids so bad? To talk about how good silk panties feel on their balls? How much breast implants cost? Do they suddenly have OTHER topics of conversation they fall back on that have nothing to do with those things? Because that would be news to me, frankly. Not being a dick, just observing honestly based on my own experiences.

I've never met any drag queen types personally, so I suppose I can't attest to this myself. Though, eh. I just feel like this is the sort of rhetoric I see other people use against other groups they deem 'unsafe' for their kids too. I just feel like...anyone could be a danger to kids, even the nice dude that'll lend you his tools and lawnmower when you ask him. I...don't think a drag queen is more dangerous than anyone else that could be a possible danger to children, including abusive parents. The 'solution' is to put kids in a bubble, and keep them locked it in forever because...danger lurks everywhere, and potentially everyone.

Maybe that makes me a judgmental prick, but I really couldn't care less. Common sense is common sense. No, you can never protect any kid 100%, but you can definitely mitigate and minimize the potential for damage with a few easy steps.

I guess that varies, man. I think it's up to individuals to protect themselves in the end, and for parents to teach their kids the skills they need to survive. Those skills will differ from parent to parent. Though I think telling kids, "Hey, that man in the dress over there is dangerous!" then going "people like Mr. Parker the nice dude who'll lend us his stuff is perfectly fine and could never, ever hurt you because he's got a wife, dresses in a suit, and has a neatly trimmed mustache" is...not always true. It's really no different than telling a kid that "black people are all dangerous criminals, do not associate with them'"... I just think we should be careful with the people we interact with, though not paranoid to the point of locking yourself away forever. It's a balancing act.

Though, to be honest, with everything that's happened after 2020, I think kids are screwed, and will distrust everyone since they'll likely view their peers, and elders, as possible disease vectors to be afraid of...and being #AtHomeForever is the only way to be 'safe' and 'happy'. :D Yay!!! ... :ohwell:

Leo656

06-15-2022, 04:31 PM

I think if you polled 1000 people on the street, at least 990 of them would be more comfortable having their kids babysat by a sibling or well-known neighbor, well before they'd let the guy in the dress wearing women's underpants do it. Even though "No, you don't actually KNOW". Sure, you don't know for sure if the sibling or neighbor is a nutjob.

But you DO know that the guy in the dress is. So right there, Nope.

See, I need to point out that in my head there's a bit of a wall between "regular gay people" and people who I personally feel have some kind of disorder that makes their sexuality their entire identity and sense of self. The gay guy who works at the library up the road and maybe has a rainbow flag T-shirt or something on, they're most likely a normal person. But the one marching down the street in a sequined gown and stiletto heels, and the one next to them wearing the dildo hat with the giant phallus on it... yeah, those are Crazy People. They're not gay because there's something wrong with them, but there IS something wrong with them and "being gay" just kind of happened adjacently to that.

That's how I see it, anyway. As I've mentioned, quite a few of my gay friends of either gender agree with me on that. They feel like the "freakshow" types set relations between Gays and Straights back by decades simply by their insistence on being obnoxiously ostentatious. Not every homosexual is automatically a huge fan of RuPaul's Drag Race; the fact is, a lot of the "regular" gays can't STAND those people.

So yeah, I'unno. Like every other prejudice that I have, I fully cop to it and admit there's just some things I'm never gonna bend on. I'm probably more tolerant than Most, but not as much as Some. But that's fine, or at least, as far as I see it it should be fine.

So yeah, no problem with "gay people" in general. But a guy in a dress most likely has a mental disorder. There's just no honest way of handwaving that.

Andrew NDB

06-15-2022, 04:42 PM

I...don't think a drag queen is more dangerous than anyone else that could be a possible danger to children, including abusive parents. The 'solution' is to put kids in a bubble, and keep them locked it in forever because...danger lurks everywhere, and potentially everyone.

It's just called being a parent. You should do your due diligence to shield your small children from alternative lifestyles and sex buggery, bare minimum. As they get older, like past 12, you can take another look at exposing and explaining vs. coddling. That's the way I approached it with my daughter. "You see that guy over there? Weirdo!" :lol:

And it's not "dangerous" per se, it's just putting crap into kids' minds at a formative age and giving them ideas. As in, it's a BAD idea. Or are we to assume there is an illusive "drag queen gene" as well?

Prowler

06-15-2022, 05:45 PM

I used to think gay parades were a bit unclassy and unnecessary. And not good ways to counter prejudice against gay people.

Nowadays I don't care. But tbh not every single gay person attends such parades. Getting so "outlandish" in public isn't something most people feel comfortable in doing.

Anyway there's all sorts of parades and protests. As long as no one gets hurt let people have their parades and protests. We live in a democracy after all.

As for the discusson above...

No, I wouldn't take a son of mine to a drag queen show and neither would I take him to a strip club to watch hot naked women. I'd take him to a football match, to the circus, the cinema or some place like that. I mean, if your son is 12 why would you be taking him to strip clubs and drag queen shows? Seems weird. And what kid would want to visit such places with their own parents anyway?!

Many decades ago in more rural areas here, fathers would take their sons to the closest brothel so that they'd lose their virginity and "become men". But this was the 50s and society has evolved and gotten more educated since then. If a father took his own 15 year old son to a brothel nowadays he'd probably get arrested.

So really, do we need to regress back to such times? Because it seems like that's the idea behind it...

Leo656

06-15-2022, 06:17 PM

I've read about how a lot of families bring their kids to f*cking Hooters. :lol: Like, a whole family - husband, wife, and two or three kids - just casually go into a Hooters at 3 in the afternoon for a nice family meal. Apparently it happens ALL the time, all over the place. Before Dark, Hooters is apparently a family establishment, like Chuck E. Cheese without the ball pit and with better food and drink options. Who knew? :lol:

I gotta admit, I actually love Hooters with no irony BUT even that seems a bit weird, to me. The entire point of the place is to ogle and objectify women in skimpy outfits while you eat marked-up bar food, it's not the first thing I'd think of if I were taking my family out for a casual sit-down lunch. I LOVE to ogle at and objectify women, it's my favorite. But I still don't think I'd feel right about it with a bunch of 6-year olds running around. I guess the thinking is, kids are oblivious to what the place is "really" about and so it's "safe" to take them there, but... I'unno, by the time I was 5 I was trying to see Boobs anywhere I could, so I don't automatically assume kids are oblivious. I sure wasn't.

So yeah, even I have a line of decency, blurry and way off-center as it may be.
---------------

As for Pride Parades, apparently last night at one of them Christina Aguilera was prancing around onstage wearing a giant strap-on dildo. And people wonder why a LOT of people don't think these things belong in a public setting? C'mon with this. A chick with a strap-on is a wonderful thing (especially if there's another comely lass bent over right in front of her) BUT there's a proper time and place for that. Some stuff just doesn't need to be outside and in public.

superstaff

06-15-2022, 07:02 PM

I think everyone's misconstruing what I mean, and assuming I'm saying we should toss kids to drag shows, and strip joints. I sense a bit of a
"look at Stupidstaff, that f*cking deviant weirdo pervert thinks we should force our kids to become drag queens" vibe which I'm not surprised by either. It's a given. I'm not exactly well liked around these parts. :lol:

Anyway, I don't like the pride parades either because I get some snarky comment like "lol Stupidstaff thinks we should put dildo helmets on kids at the pride parades". No, I don't, and I don't like those either since they're just obnoxious virtue signal fests used as an excuse for partying, drinking, and sex. Oh, wait. I'm bisexual, so I'm automatically supposed to support them...like the deviant that I am. My bad. Forgot that I'm supposed to believe everything my supposed 'team' believes in without questioning it. :oops:

Leo656

06-15-2022, 08:07 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-seeks-counter-state-actions-160806573.html

Comments Section: "Gas is $6 a gallon, inflation is at a five-decade high, the economy is in shambles... But THIS, Biden has all the time and money in the world to focus on. And Democrats wonder why nobody takes them seriously and why Biden's approval ratings are in the toilet."

They're right.

Especially the part where it says already-collected taxpayer money is going towards these new "protections". If you asked MOST taxpayers where they'd want their money going to Right Now, I can promise you, It Ain't This Stuff.

It's not that gay people don't face discrimination. They obviously do. It's just that objectively, as far as the most important problems facing Americans right now, the LGBTQ+ struggle doesn't even crack the Top 5. Possibly not even Top 10. It's super important to THEM. But they're like 10% at most of the American population.

There's bigger sh*t we need to be focusing on.

Andrew NDB

06-15-2022, 08:26 PM

And "conversion therapy" is even lumping in having the basic conversation on a psychiatric level, "are you SURE you're gay/trans/___? Let's talk about it." Why is that so evil?

CyberCubed

06-15-2022, 08:43 PM

A lot of gay men act like normal guys though it's just the flamboyant ones get all the media attention. There was a guy at my job who worked there for 3 years, he's kinda fat, but he's around 25ish and has a beard and is a nice guy around the office. Just by going by his mannerisms, voice, etc...you would never assume he was gay and nobody had any idea.

One day in conversation he was talking about movies and said, "I watched this movie with my husband," in casual conversation. Had he never said that, nobody would ever assume he was gay because he didn't have the usual "gay-isms" that gay people usually have. He just seemed like a normal guy, and the "gay-dar" did not detect anything.

Like I honestly had no idea. And everyone still treats him like normal because whatever he does in his private life doesn't change anything about him in the office. So yeah, they're not all the usual stereotypes.

superstaff

06-15-2022, 09:16 PM

Leo656

06-15-2022, 09:20 PM

Nah. All the LGBTs are filthy sexual deviants that wave their rainbow flags all the time, dream about fellating Joe Biden, and try to corrupt the youth. And eat only Skittles to taste that rainbow. There are no exceptions. Open your eyes, Cyber! Open your eyes! :o

More like "Open yo' mouf."

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lorwfoHYtq1qbbqf3o8_500.gifv

superstaff

06-15-2022, 09:22 PM

More like "Open yo' mouf."

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lorwfoHYtq1qbbqf3o8_500.gifv

No.

I prefer M&Ms.

mrmaczaps

06-15-2022, 09:23 PM

It's not that gay people don't face discrimination. They obviously do.

Do they REALLY these days tho? You can just look at someone wrong & its like kicking a bee hive... that seems like they're extra normally protected class of people to me?

I had a dude hit on me once, a long while back. I told him I was not interested & I'm into ladies, not dudes. He got offended & reported to my boss that I harassed him. They believed him & tried to fire me. When I told them HE asked me out & I simply said no, I like women, they calmed down a bit but I still had to prove it (thankfully a coworker had heard him, one I was kind of friends with at the time... and this was all [wow] 2 decades ago. I haven't seen anyone be discriminated against for simply being lgbtxyz+-×÷, but I have seen people be tired of hearing about their private lives and then railroaded out the door because they asked them to stop talking about sucking d*ck at work...

If its your private life, keep it private. Gay or straight. Thats how its supposed to work. The slope has been slipped.... now they parade nearly naked down the main street and FORCE kids to watch it.... :x

Leo656

06-15-2022, 09:43 PM

No.

I prefer M&Ms.

Every sane person does. But that's an awesome gif anyways. I was looking for a different one but that one works even better. There were others from the same fake commercial but they were a little more risque' and I didn't wanna take the chance.

Do they REALLY these days tho? You can just look at someone wrong & its like kicking a bee hive... that seems like they're extra normally protected class of people to me?

I don't read or follow the news obsessively, but I do like to do a quick scroll a couple of times a day just to see what's going on. And at least once a week I see an article about some gay or trans person being cursed out and called slurs on the street in broad daylight, and/or one of them being beaten up, sometimes to death.

So... yeah, I'll go ahead and say they still face plenty of "discrimination", yes. I think being called a "f*cking f*gg*t piece of sh*t" in a public forum or being physically assaulted with occasionally fatal consequences absolutely counts. I really don't see how that's even in doubt.

As far as stuff like you're discussing... eh. It's true that in some areas they're definitely a "protected class". For example, a buddy of mine who goes by Sonny Kiss has wrestled for AEW for about two years now... originally they were "just super-gay" but now they apparently identify as "trans-feminine nonbinary", so okay, whatever, I guess. Nice guy, we always got along... not the best wrestler but a nice person to be around. Thing is, they're barely ever used on TV at all, and when they are, the audience overwhelmingly says they can't stand him and want him gone, because they simply don't find their act entertaining. Their entire persona is basically just "the gayest person alive" and their offense looks incredibly weak, like they have a punch that couldn't knock down a feather. As I've said, we get along, but he honestly hasn't improved much as a wrestler since I first knew them about 6 years ago or so. They probably don't "deserve" the spot they currently have. Most fans say, "absolutely not, he's not a good wrestler and he's taking a spot from someone more deserving." It was also recently pointed out by a fan that Kiss hasn't even been on TV in many months, so essentially, they're getting paid a LOT of money to sit at home. There are many thousands of better wrestlers who would love to be in the position Kiss has right now.

But then just tonight, they actually DID have Sonny Kiss on AEW TV... in a commercial... for Pride Month. :roll: Not a match or anything, just a vignette about how "Nothing is more powerful than being yourself", and all that jazz.

Which isn't a bad sentiment or anything, it just exposes and puts a gigantic lampshade on something a LOT of AEW fans have been saying about the guy for two or three years: "Ohhh, so THAT'S why they keep Kiss around even though they suck. He's literally the Token Gay Guy, therefore he's 100% bulletproof." And unavoidably, that angers and annoys people. They never use the guy, and he's not actually a good enough wrestler to be on TV for the second-biggest promotion in the country. But they HAVE to keep him around, because otherwise, they'll get yelled at. It admittedly IS kind of unfair, even if it comes from "a good place".

So yeah, sure, in some areas of life, they ARE a "protected class". Undoubtedly.

BUT. They still get slurs shouted at them just for going outside and they still occasionally get beaten up and killed just for being gay. So yeah, they're still discriminated against pretty heavily. That's not even a question, I don't think.

Coola Yagami

06-15-2022, 10:17 PM

superstaff

06-15-2022, 10:23 PM

Oh come now SuperStaff, you're too hard on yourself. You might be a Trump Humpin, Biden Sucking, woke, Nazi, multi-hair colored landwhale, but you're OUR Trump Humpin, Biden Sucking, woke, Nazi, multi-hair colored landwhale.

I belong only to the rainbow.

Coola Yagami

06-15-2022, 10:26 PM

As far as stuff like you're discussing... eh. It's true that in some areas they're definitely a "protected class". For example, a buddy of mine who goes by Sonny Kiss has wrestled for AEW for about two years now... originally they were "just super-gay" but now they apparently identify as "trans-feminine nonbinary", so okay, whatever, I guess. Nice guy, we always got along... not the best wrestler but a nice person to be around. Thing is, they're barely ever used on TV at all, and when they are, the audience overwhelmingly says they can't stand him and want him gone, because they simply don't find their act entertaining. Their entire persona is basically just "the gayest person alive" and their offense looks incredibly weak, like they have a punch that couldn't knock down a feather. As I've said, we get along, but he honestly hasn't improved much as a wrestler since I first knew them about 6 years ago or so. They probably don't "deserve" the spot they currently have. Most fans say, "absolutely not, he's not a good wrestler and he's taking a spot from someone more deserving." It was also recently pointed out by a fan that Kiss hasn't even been on TV in many months, so essentially, they're getting paid a LOT of money to sit at home. There are many thousands of better wrestlers who would love to be in the position Kiss has right now.

But then just tonight, they actually DID have Sonny Kiss on AEW TV... in a commercial... for Pride Month. :roll: Not a match or anything, just a vignette about how "Nothing is more powerful than being yourself", and all that jazz.

Which isn't a bad sentiment or anything, it just exposes and puts a gigantic lampshade on something a LOT of AEW fans have been saying about the guy for two or three years: "Ohhh, so THAT'S why they keep Kiss around even though they suck. He's literally the Token Gay Guy, therefore he's 100% bulletproof." And unavoidably, that angers and annoys people. They never use the guy, and he's not actually a good enough wrestler to be on TV for the second-biggest promotion in the country. But they HAVE to keep him around, because otherwise, they'll get yelled at. It admittedly IS kind of unfair, even if it comes from "a good place".

So yeah, sure, in some areas of life, they ARE a "protected class". Undoubtedly.

To be fair, Sonny still wrestles on Dark and Dark Elevation. I saw that commercial as part of Dark last week and I also had to roll my eyes. Not because of the commercial, but because if they're so great, then why aren't they back on TV then? At least in a tournament or a multi-man tag or whatever.

Apparently Sonny has been asked what they think about not being on TV for like 6 months or so and they said they're not mad and still has faith AEW will use em when they have a spot for em on Dynamite or Rampage.

I got the feeling it's gonna be a long wait.

From the 10 or so seconds I met em that one time, they seemed pretty cool.

Leo656

06-15-2022, 10:28 PM

I belong only to the rainbow.

F*ck it, I'm goin' for it.

http://i.imgur.com/1M0p5.jpg

For the record, that is CLEARLY Satire, NOT Pornography, so technically it's within the rules.

Leo656

06-15-2022, 10:39 PM

To be fair, Sonny still wrestles on Dark and Dark Elevation. I saw that commercial as part of Dark last week and I also had to roll my eyes. Not because of the commercial, but because if they're so great, then why aren't they back on TV then? At least in a tournament or a multi-man tag or whatever.

Apparently Sonny has been asked what they think about not being on TV for like 6 months or so and they said they're not mad and still has faith AEW will use em when they have a spot for em on Dynamite or Rampage.

I got the feeling it's gonna be a long wait.

From the 10 or so seconds I met em that one time, they seemed pretty cool.

5 people combined watch Dark and Elevation. It's taken TNA/Impact's old spot as "The pro wrestling equivalent of Witness Protection". Nobody's ever gonna find you, you may as well not exist.

Sonny is very, very nice. As far as wrestling goes... they're as "indy-riffic" as it possibly gets. Everything they do looks fake and their offense is as limp as a wet dick. They're just not believable. I consider him a friend and I'm glad he's getting paid. But I can't objectively say he deserves his current position. He was a diversity hire and they only keep him around so they don't have to answer to the Twitter Mob. See how they let Janela's contract lapse, and got rid of him, but kept Kiss. They were signed together and made onscreen partners pretty much from the beginning, and after they let Joey go they stopped using Kiss because all they'd done with either one of them was put them in segments together. If Kiss were straight, they would have let him go, too, when they got rid of Janela. There's no doubt in my mind of that.

He's a nice guy, though. One of the nicest.

But that's entirely separate from Work Stuff. I've been called by some of my peers "The Single Nicest Guy In The Wrestling Business" (I try really hard to disprove that sh*t :lol:), but the fact is, I'm not really a great wrestler and "being a nice guy" definitely wouldn't be enough to get me a TV spot, or keep it.

But it does if you're super-duper-gay, these days. I admit... it's a bit unethical, even if it comes from a good place. But that's the problem with "trying to make up the numbers". You mean well, but you do harm.

Coola Yagami

06-15-2022, 10:47 PM

I'm not really a great wrestler and "being a nice guy" definitely wouldn't be enough to get me a TV spot, or keep it.

IDK man, that Canadian Destroyer you did off the ladder onto that burning table laced with barbed wire and thumbtacks spot was pretty ****ing amazing.

Leo656

06-15-2022, 10:55 PM

:lol: I'd rather slice my left nut open with razor wire and take an 8-second inhale than do a Destroyer. That move is f*cking dogsh*t. :lol:

superstaff

06-16-2022, 06:52 AM

F*ck it, I'm goin' for it.

http://i.imgur.com/1M0p5.jpg

For the record, that is CLEARLY Satire, NOT Pornography, so technically it's within the rules.

I swear, you guys must really, REALLY hate me.

1987

06-16-2022, 10:51 AM

wait, this wrestler, Sonny Kiss, that you guys are talking about, is they/them the preferred pronouns? or is it more than 1 person? i still don’t understand the concept behind the they/them pronouns, makes it sound like it’s more than one person. wouldn’t wanna accidentally misgender someone, that’s very “bigoted” nowadays that there’s supposedly “more than 2 genders”. lol

check out these “non-binary” caricatures

https://mobile.twitter.com/FlorioGina/status/1536752976152432640

https://i.imgur.com/ERqpXbu.jpg?1

Leo656

06-16-2022, 03:11 PM

I swear, you guys must really, REALLY hate me.

It's the best gif I've ever seen.

No, wait, this one is.
https://c.tenor.com/v7Atc2RKaQgAAAAM/kevin-nash-nash.gif

Or wait, maybe this one is.
https://c.tenor.com/mkpRZwPWJ48AAAAM/kevin-nash-middle-finger.gif

No, wait, maybe this one is.
https://i.gifer.com/VUug.gif

What EVER, it's the best non-Kevin Nash gif I've ever seen, y'all gon' deal wit' it. :trazz:

wait, this wrestler, Sonny Kiss, that you guys are talking about, is they/them the preferred pronouns? or is it more than 1 person? i still don’t understand the concept behind the they/them pronouns, makes it sound like it’s more than one person.

Nice try but "singular They" has been around longer than any of us. It's just become more fashionable recently. I've always used it generally, I don't specifically use it to avoid pronouns though, just if it fits it fits. I try and avoid repeating the same descriptors too many times in a row because it becomes repetitive and redundant, so when talking about someone I'll sometimes replace "he" or "she" with "they" just to break up the flow.

Sonny also seems to prefer "she" these days, and supposedly gets annoyed by "they", but I can't be assed to keep any of it straight. Whenever I worked with him, I always greeted him with "What's up brother?" and said bye with "See you next time, brother!" and he never once corrected me or seemed cross, always gave me a big hug. So I feel like he had every chance to tell me about it if I was upsetting them in any way. Maybe their position has since changed but we can revisit that conversation next time we see each other. In the meantime I'm sticking with what was established between us face-to-face. We're still FB pals, he can come find me if there's any issue, I figure.

IndigoErth

06-16-2022, 03:31 PM

Nice try but "singular They" has been around longer than any of us.
Good, I don't have to say it. I find it funny people suddenly have a big problem with it when we've been saying it for singular individuals forever.

superstaff

06-16-2022, 03:36 PM

Good, I don't have to say it. I find it funny people suddenly have a big problem with it when we've been saying it for singular individuals forever.

I've used it in my writing when trying to hide the identity of a character, and it pisses the readers off because they think I am making the mystery character 'trans'. :roll:

I really want off this planet.

Andrew NDB

06-16-2022, 03:38 PM

In spoken form yeah, we all say "they" all the time. It's almost automatic. In the written word is where I find it lazy and stupid (unless a situation like what superstaff is saying above), because there's no excuse for it.

IndigoErth

06-16-2022, 03:54 PM

superstaff

06-16-2022, 04:05 PM

The problem is that wording has now become politicized. Both sides jump to conclusions when presented with certain words and phrases. So using 'they' will inevitably trigger people who aren't fond of trans people, even if they is used in a context that demands it (ie singular they). Conversely, there's words that offend people on the left as well, even things that are relatively benign like 'spaz'.

1987

06-16-2022, 04:12 PM

I saw some shared screen shot post yesterday where the woman had included the words "people with vaginas," and some guy who commented (on the site it was shared on, not a commenter in the screen shot) had an issue with it and suggested that kind of wording looks insincere and contributes to objectification.

Since when can't women be called people?? And if someone said "women with vaginas" someone else would no doubt be mad at that that too, as if it's a clarification with a motive or agenda behind it, like using "people" or "women" are no longer just part of forming a properly descriptive complete sentence. People are getting way too butthurt over word usage and acting like every word has some kind of ulterior motive...

edit: Though saying "women with vaginas" sorta sounds awkwardly unnecessarily clarifying... like saying cars with wheels. I see no issue with using "people."

but where does it end? there’s people out there claiming that “men have periods too” or “men get pregnant”. im assuming it’s really a biological female turned trans now identifying as a man, so i guess by that logic it is pregnant man? idk, so confusing. “pregnant people”, “people that have periods”. like they’re like literally teaching this stuff in schools now.

look at this twitter account @libsoftiktok they are covering alot on how these stuff is being forced on little kids

https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoftiktok?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser p%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

remember the movie Kindergarten Cop, that kid says “boys have penis and girls have vagina”… can you believe that would be considered bigoted by today’s standards? that wouldn’t fly anymore, there’s no way they’d put that in a movie now.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 04:13 PM

edit: Though saying "women with vaginas" sorta sounds awkwardly unnecessarily clarifying... like saying cars with wheels. I see no issue with using "people."

Yeah but if they specifically mean "women", using the term "People" can be seen as diminishing and reductive.

To paraphrase Rowling, "There's a word for 'people with vaginas'." We've been using it for many thousands of years. It's called "woman". There's no need to dance around it and add four extra syllables to illustrate something so abundantly clear and simple. Flip it around and start calling men "people with penises", and it's still dumb. It's MORE dumb, because now you're adding FIVE extra syllables to illustrate something that only needs One.

I really hate the Pronoun Game, myself. North American English has always been about cutting through the chaff and illustrating things as directly and simply as possible. Purple prose and needlessly-flowery language has always been considered extraneous and pretentious, here. That's why all the "Great American Authors" of the 19th and 20th Century were specifically hailed for "writing the way people actually talk" and cutting out all the bullsh*t and nonsense so common in British and European prose.

There's no need to be all "mysterious" and add 17 extra syllables to words, just because you don't want to "offend" people who've already made it their life's mission to be offended by everything anyone says or does.

Singular "They" is its own issue, though. It's technically proper, but yes, it is annoying when overused as it's currently becoming. Its usage is generally meant to be more vague, such as when talking broadly about someone who may be either male or female, such as "I talked to the manager at the hardware store and they were a real asshole." Generally it would then be followed by a more specific descriptor, making the gender of "they" abundantly clear, e.g. "He was such a prick I told him I didn't need the screws that badly and left." That's how it's technically supposed to work, not "Just use 'they' in every single sentence when you're talking about someone." When speaking of a specific individual where such distinction is clear, you CAN use "they" but are still supposed to predominantly use "He" or "She".

Language Arts (or "English Class" as it used to be known) was my best subject, so not gonna lie, there's a little vein in my forehead that throbs whenever blatant misuse becomes rampant. I often feel like I did well in school for no reason at all, since after I was done everyone was just gonna come and rewrite all the rules of every single thing I'd ever learned.

IndigoErth

06-16-2022, 04:17 PM

Don't worry, texting is just eventually going to dumb it down to the point that everything eventually just has a symbol and English (at least American English) turns into modern hieroglyphs.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 04:18 PM

remember the movie Kindergarten Cop, that kid says “boys have penis and girls have vagina”… can you believe that would be considered bigoted by today’s standards? that wouldn’t fly anymore, there’s no way they’d put that in a movie now.

There's actually a Robot Chicken skit where they make that exact joke. When the kid says that, Arnold frantically yells "NOT ANYMORE!" and then they cut away. :lol: I tried to find it but I couldn't.

Don't worry, texting is just eventually going to dumb it down to the point that everything eventually just has a symbol and English (at least American English) turns into modern hieroglyphs.

We're halfway there already.

Swear to God, every time I read a "news article" that's just a rumor headline with nothing but speculative text, and also full of piss-poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors - which is ALL THE F*CKING TIME, every single day - I think back to all the time I spent in Journalism class and realize I could've been looking at porn on the computer like the kid next to me and it wouldn't have made any difference. For all I know they're now a "respected journalist" online and making way more money than I ever did.

superstaff

06-16-2022, 04:29 PM

I think back to all the time I spent in Journalism class and realize I could've been looking at porn on the computer like the kid next to me and it wouldn't have made any difference.

That's how I felt after taking Journalism in high school. Stupid class. It was extra annoying because my neighbor (well, the daughter of my neighbors) was in the class with me, and she made it difficult for me when we got paired up together for assignments.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 04:39 PM

I actually loved the class and had a fantastic teacher who really stressed the fundamentals of what "journalism" actually IS. She also let me get away with murder because I always turned in all my work way ahead of schedule. Like I was on the paper, so by the end of the first week of the quarter I'd turn in like seven movie reviews, ten CD reviews, a couple of restaurant reviews and a few Op-Eds, and just be like "That should be plenty, whatever you choose to print is fine with me" and then I'd go look up wrestling rumors online, if I didn't have anything else to do. :lol:

I took the class seriously, just.. y'know, like anything else with me, not THAT seriously.

But there was SO much we went over a million times about things like not printing rumors and innuendo as "news", needing to provide verifying factual statements, NOT editorialize if you're writing a "news" article and interject your own opinion into the subject you're writing about, and of course, basic spelling, grammar, and punctuation. "Unless you commit and adhere to these principles, you are NOT a 'journalist', you're a gossip hound, and nobody respects that."

...Which was before The Internet had fully taken over and ruined everything. Everything we studied about "yellow journalism"... THAT is what passes for "regular news" nowadays, and it makes me f*cking sick. Where do they find these f*cking people, and why do standards not matter anymore? I know the answer - because "news" is now "entertainment", so like ALL entertainment "facts" no longer matter and you can just say whatever you want - but it shouldn't be that way.

But yeah, anyways, I loved Journalism. One of my favorite classes. I only took it Senior year, though, I thought it was for nerds before. I wish I'd started it as a Freshman, I would've been one of the Editors my Senior year. People really liked my writing, too, so that was fun. One of my few regrets from school was not making that one of my main electives all four years, and only taking it at the end because I needed the credits.

Any class is really only as good as the teacher, though. That's one of the main things I learned in school.

Jester

06-16-2022, 05:14 PM

Yeah...I never took journalism in highschool but seeing what passes as "news" makes me physically ill. I wish I knew how to get that cushy job of writing those articles that require next to no effort.

superstaff

06-16-2022, 07:55 PM

My Journalism teacher basically told us that the key to good journalism was having headlines that caught people's attentions.

I'll leave you guys to form your own conclusions on whether she was a good teacher or not.

IndigoErth

06-16-2022, 08:27 PM

I mean, technically that would be true, I'm sure no one wants boring headlines that make people skip over their article (and good luck staying employed if that's the case), but a good, eye catching headline and a baiting one are two different things.

Case in point, sorta... Saw one of those "ads" yesterday disguised as an article. Damn thing included a photo of someone pouring a bottle of Coke in a gas tank with some headline about a trick that would cut your gas cost in half, or something to that effect. Was disgusted by it because some idiots out there, though their own fault for being gullible, are bound to damage their cars by assuming it's legit. :tmad:

Never had a journalism class specifically, though I remember somewhere along the way learning about the basics of it in school. (Did have a technical writing course later in college...now that is tough if your natural writing angle is creative!)

I actually loved the class and had a fantastic teacher who really stressed the fundamentals of what "journalism" actually IS. She also let me get away with murder because I always turned in all my work way ahead of schedule. Like I was on the paper, so by the end of the first week of the quarter I'd turn in like seven movie reviews, ten CD reviews, a couple of restaurant reviews and a few Op-Eds, and just be like "That should be plenty, whatever you choose to print is fine with me" and then I'd go look up wrestling rumors online, if I didn't have anything else to do. :lol:
Sounds like you may have missed a calling, or one of.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 09:04 PM

Your teacher was partly correct but unsurprisingly forgot to address the nuance of that statement.

My teacher explained it in an altogether different way. See, the headline IS technically the most important thing... because it's literally the only thing 99% of people are going to read, and every opinion they take away is going to depend on the wording of that headline.

SOME people read a little further, so the opening paragraph is the next-most important thing; this is where you can clarify and add some texture and clarification to what the headline says. BUT, you also have to essentially cram the entire article's worth of information into those two or three sentences, because again, if you've kept anyone's attention past the headline you've just witnessed a miracle. So your first paragraph needs to be dynamite, because not one person is going to read past that. Anything important, you can't bury in the body of the second or third paragraph, nobody's ever going to see it. That's what "burying the lead" is. If it matters, put it out there right at the beginning; otherwise, it's invisible.

Obviously you still "have to" write an entire article after that, but you're essentially spinning wheels at that point, writing stuff that will never be read by anyone.

It's a little disheartening to be taught this, but... we were told to treat it as necessary because human beings simply don't have the patience to read anymore (and this was in the year 2000; it's only gotten FAR worse). You do want your entire article to be as good as it can possibly be, but only the headline and first 3 or 4 sentences "actually matter", and it's never the fault of the writer. It's because people have become more and more functionally illiterate ever since cable TV became a thing, and so a writer is forced to adjust accordingly, like it or not.

And this is why all "news" nowadays is the epitome of yellow tabloid journalism, every single thing we were all taught NOT to do. It's simply a matter of, "Otherwise nobody's going to read it." Because "news" articles aren't just competing with TV anymore, they're competing with YouTube and Twitter and Facebook memes. You have all of .5 seconds to capture someone's attention anymore and so you really have no choice but to play the game.

It's awful, but it's just all a part of the steady dumbing down of society that began with the invention of the internet. As succinctly summed up by this lovely piece of business Right Here:
https://truthartnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/fb_img_1593549438921.jpg
:trazz::trazz::trazz:

But yeah, unfortunately your teacher was technically correct, but it sounds like at the least she neglected to address the Why.

The headline shouldn't be the only thing that matters, but... it is, because people are stupid and have no patience. The choice to either raise the bar and force everyone to catch up, or lower it to placate the lowest common denominator was made a long, long time ago. It's now solely up to the individual to either do the work and educate themselves, or trust what they see on "the news", which is... REALLY a bad idea.

Sounds like you may have missed a calling, or one of.

I very briefly entertained notions of pursuing a Journalism career, but quickly recognized how things were already falling apart and decided against it. I really couldn't do what passes for "journalism" nowadays, I could never live with myself. I don't know how anyone does.

superstaff

06-16-2022, 09:09 PM

But yeah, unfortunately your teacher was technically correct, but it sounds like at the least she neglected to address the Why.

No, no. She basically explained it the way you did, more or less. It's just that, in her opinion, it was okay to 'exaggerate' the truth in order to get more eyes on your articles. The truth needed to be in the body itself, but most people won't read it or care to. So the important thing, to be successful, is to attract readers with that headline even if it's 'a little fudged'.

Prowler

06-16-2022, 09:10 PM

I didn't expect to see Riley Reid in this thread.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 09:27 PM

No, no. She basically explained it the way you did, more or less. It's just that, in her opinion, it was okay to 'exaggerate' the truth in order to get more eyes on your articles. The truth needed to be in the body itself, but most people won't read it or care to. So the important thing, to be successful, is to attract readers with that headline even if it's 'a little fudged'.

Well, we were not taught to do THAT, no. We were not taught to "fudge" the headline to make it more entertaining or attractive. That's sensationalist, which we were discouraged from doing. Rather, to stick to the facts when crafting a headline but try and word it in a creative and eye-catching manner.

I didn't expect to see Riley Reid in this thread.

Can't lie, sometimes it bothers me how many porn stars you know the names of. :lol: Nothing against you, it just means I'm getting old, and I don't like it. The most "recent" ones I know of are Tori Black and Sandra Romain and I don't even think they work anymore. Shows how much I keep up, huh? :trazz:

Thanks, though, I can always count on you. I had no idea what that chick's name was. I know who I'LL be looking up later tonight! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

superstaff

06-16-2022, 09:56 PM

Can't lie, sometimes it bothers me how many porn stars you know the names of. :lol: Nothing against you, it just means I'm getting old, and I don't like it. The most "recent" ones I know of are Tori Black and Sandra Romain and I don't even think they work anymore. Shows how much I keep up, huh? :trazz:

I know Riley Reid. I also know Tori Black (the first thing I saw her in was Batman XXX, lol). Dunno Sandra Romain.

Leo656

06-16-2022, 10:17 PM

YOU DON'T KNOW SANDRA?!?! Holy SH*T. :lol: She's a f*cking Trash Goddess. Filthy mouth, down for absolutely anything, the nastier the better. She's f*cking amazing. She might be my favorite of all time.

There's two scenes of hers that are my favorite. One of them, she has a naked chick tied down to a pallet on her hands and knees with a ball-gag in her mouth, and after playfully whipping her all over her body with a leather cat-o'-nine-tails - and I mean ALL over her body - she proceeds to VERY roughly penetrate her with a big strap-on. Both orifices. Constant filthy sh*t-talk, which her Romanian accent makes even better. The whole time the other girl has her eyes rolling back in her head and is begging for more as best she can with a ball gag in her mouth. I'm not sure who the other chick was, but apparently she got a real kick out of being spit on and called a whore.

...This is very relevant for the Gay Pride thread. :lol: ALL of her lesbian scenes are incredible. She's incredibly hot but she did start showing her age in the face after a while. But y'know. Amazing body.

The other favorite scene, she's on the phone with her "husband" when a dozen black guys show up at her door saying their TV broke and they were looking for a place to watch the game. :lol: Naturally, she ends up taking on every one of them in groups of 4 or 5 at a time until she's covered in spunk, at which point her husband comes home and starts yelling "Hey, that's my wife!" :lol: She then grabs a towel and runs upstairs still-dripping while a bunch of naked black guys menacingly advance on her husband, and then it ends. Fun stuff.

Not all of her stuff is THAT rough, a lot of it is actually pretty "standard" but she definitely doesn't shy away from getting a little nuts. People say a lot of porn stars only do it for the money and drugs, but I would say after seeing a ton of her work, I honestly believe Sandra just REALLY likes being a huge whore. Good for her, she's great at it! :tgrin:

And Tori Black was definitely the best Catwoman, I say that all the time. First thing I ever saw her in was I think one of her earliest roles, getting f*cked on a beanbag in some college rec room while a ton of the college students watched and cheered. :lol: Again, people say "those chicks are all just acting", but I don't think so in every single case, definitely not hers. I've seen Tori take dicks up her ass that were as long as my forearm, laughing the whole time, so either she honestly likes it like that or is on so much blow she's entirely numb from the waist down.

But yeah, I don't really know any of the "newer" ones. Pornhub only shows their names on the title line if they're already famous. Otherwise it's just "Surprise Lesbian Massage" or "Caught My Step-Sister Masturbating", or whatever, and no actors' names. :ohwell:

Was easier back when Fox Magazine was still a thing, they kept you up to date on Who's Who and What's What.

superstaff

06-16-2022, 10:23 PM

The other favorite scene, she's on the phone with her "husband" when a dozen black guys show up at her door saying their TV broke and they were looking for a place to watch the game. :lol: Naturally, she ends up taking on every one of them in groups of 4 or 5 at a time until she's covered in spunk, at which point her husband comes home and starts yelling "Hey, that's my wife!" :lol: She then grabs a towel and runs upstairs still-dripping while a bunch of naked black guys menacingly advance on her husband, and then it ends. Fun stuff.

I probably saw this or something like it at some point.

This is the sort of porn that should unite us as a people, but alas. :lol:

Prowler

06-16-2022, 10:33 PM

It's funny how two lesbians in real life kissing or the idea of them having sex doesn't do anything for me, but two pornstars or two female anime/video game characters having lesbian sex together turns me on.

I guess I just like the idea of a straight woman having sex with another woman? And I wonder if women also have similar feelings about gay porn.

...man, why do so many conversations here eventually end up being about porn?

Leo656

06-16-2022, 10:40 PM

I probably saw this or something like it at some point.

This is the sort of porn that should unite us as a people, but alas. :lol:

Yeah, unfortunately a lot of people just aren't enlightened enough to appreciate such fine art. :lol:

The house in the scene was a gigantic f*cking mansion if that helps jog your memory. I've definitely seen a few scenes like that one, but not quite as good.

...Because Sandra is SUCH a whore. :lol: Just a big, giant, raven-haired, perfect-bodied, "spit on me and tell me I'm filthy", spunk-dripping-down-her-knees slutbag. God Bless That Woman.

It's funny how two lesbians in real life kissing or the idea of them having sex doesn't do anything for me, but two pornstars or two female anime/video game characters having lesbian sex together turns me on.

I guess I just like the idea of a straight woman having sex with another woman? And I wonder if women also have similar feelings about gay porn.

...man, why do so many conversations here eventually end up being about porn?

Because Porn Lesbians are beautiful and Real Life Lesbians usually look more like a clean-shaven James Corden.

And the answer to your question is: Because I Run This F*cking Place. :tgrin:

superstaff

06-17-2022, 06:10 AM

Because Porn Lesbians are beautiful and Real Life Lesbians usually look more like a clean-shaven James Corden.

Eh? What lesbians have you encountered? :lol:

There's hot lesbians in real life. I saw two really hot ladies holding hands the other day at the mall. Safe to say, they were likely into other ladies due to that.

Don't let the internet deceive you into thinking all (non-porn) lesbians are SJW types.

Leo656

06-17-2022, 07:04 AM

I knowwwww but my nature is to never let a poor-taste joke go to waste, and it was right there.

"There's a rhythm to these things, maaaaan!" :lol:

1987

06-17-2022, 10:02 AM

there’s a new emoji of a “pregnant man” on apple ios devices

https://i.imgur.com/NFOa0JM.jpg?2

is it normal?

i think it’s bigoted pretending women don’t exist or have the same traits as men. if i ever become a sjw i will fight for women’s rights

https://i.imgur.com/2UaMRx3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1oheLui.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aHQsntv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QRIy4QK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vL4qKcz.jpg

you know what’s the best thing about conservative women? no penis!

1987

06-18-2022, 09:06 PM

biden’s new black lesbian press secretary and transgendered health secretary. notice the difference how the feet point compared to a biological woman

because virtue signaling is the biden admin’s #1 priority

https://i.imgur.com/12reOeM.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/XvSBrjC.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/7c9udUD.jpg?1

Coola Yagami

06-18-2022, 10:54 PM

Andrew NDB

06-19-2022, 05:23 AM

CyberCubed

06-19-2022, 11:20 AM

It's probably because the lesbians you see in TV shows/movies/comics/videogames are all sexualized for us men, not really for gay pride. Obviously they aren't "real" lesbians, I am not interested in the butch masculine looking ones.

1987

06-19-2022, 02:54 PM

The pregnant man thing doesn't make sense. At all. It goes against the very nature of gender dysphoria.

Childbirth is a female thing. If you're hard-wired to think you should have been born male, the very thought of even having a uterus inside you should disgust you and feel 'wrong'. There is no way these people would ever want to give birth. It's just no way or they're just lying about their dysphoria.

i think their argument is that there is more than 2 genders, including some “people with penises” that can give birth? idk. i dont really understand the whole concpet myself either.

it seems no matter what they identify as, “people with penises” and “people with vaginas” stand differently and the way their feet positioned

https://i.imgur.com/tfuIg2C.png

Hamato Yoshi

06-26-2022, 03:26 AM

2 killed , 10 wounded at Oslo gay bar , terror

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

06-26-2022, 07:31 AM

2020 was a Corona year, with almost no gay pride parades held. Gay pride parades have been around since the 1970's, but really began to kick-in by the late 1990's.

Cowabung-Gal

06-16-2023, 11:37 PM

IAGhJ_uU_n0

SGfyUTjwm3k

https://thepostmillennial.com/united-states-only-muslim-majority-town-bans-pride-flags-on-public-property?utm_campaign=64470

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1669871716581928965?cxt=HHwWisCz9dLeyawuAAAA

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666502128548945920?cxt=HHwWgIC92ee2zaAuAAAA

Hmmm…so I guess the Left and Muslims are no longer friends? This does make things rather…complicated

ChosenOne

06-17-2023, 12:53 AM

The left is a snake eating its own tail. Change my mind.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-17-2023, 02:44 AM

Sumac

06-22-2023, 11:48 PM

Things that LGBT+ claims never happens had happened again. (https://twitter.com/realannapaulina/status/1671966633756073989)

Police Find Four Children And A Dead Body At Boston Apartment Filled With Drugs, Sex Toys And Men In Drag
(https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/20/police-find-four-children-and-a-dead-body-at-boston-apartment-filled-with-drugs-sex-toys-and-men-in-drag/)

Sumac

06-24-2023, 02:01 PM

Happy Pride month! (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1672356594590560256)
America's first openly transgender state legislator arrested, faces child sex charges.

Nope, its never happens.

Mayhem

06-25-2023, 01:43 AM

Way less than the Catholic Church or Republican representatives though…

Dpooly84

06-25-2023, 01:50 AM

Sumac is a legend! Way to expose the nazi child molesting left.

Cowabung-Gal

06-26-2023, 10:26 AM

jXVIvDR3UtA

https://nypost.com/2023/06/25/drag-queens-chanting-were-coming-for-your-kids-hurt-gay-rights/

If you want to keep LGBTQ support from declining any further, you probably shouldn’t do stuff like this. Just saying. :ohwell:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1673120576708149252?cxt=HHwWiICwkZmTj7guAAAA

(Those Antifa guys look more like terrorists than the Muslim protestors :lol:)

https://twitter.com/GAG_NewYork/status/1673100778049765376?cxt=HHwWgICw0eGShrguAAAA

https://twitter.com/midwesthomo77/status/1673064898727669761?cxt=HHwWgsCz7afq9bcuAAAA

Sumac

06-26-2023, 02:05 PM

Way less than the Catholic Church or Republican representatives though…
So, what the **** is your point? That transpedos can do it, because, some priests and Republicans do it?

Besides, even, if its true, one need to consider trans are less numerous (gladly) and they build their whole identity around sexual perversions and fetishes, while claiming they are harmless to children.

Andrew NDB

06-26-2023, 02:35 PM

Lately I've been hearing "Happy Pride Progress" and just a lot of "Pride Progress" in general.

What is the "progress," exactly? Of an agenda? What is the end goal? If there is not one, is this not just a road to nihilism?

ChosenOne

06-26-2023, 03:41 PM

What is the end goal?

Ideologically enforced sterilisation and extinction of the human species.

Sumac

06-26-2023, 08:23 PM

Ideologically enforced sterilisation and extinction of the human species.
I hope its a joke, because, no-one, even most deluded progtards won't take that as an option.

More realistically, their end goal is some sort of fairy tale society where people can be whatever they want and where they don't need to work (which is why a lot of those freakshows are commies). Basically a society of lazy retards, who can not be half-assed to scratch their butt. And not even smart enough to understand they have a butt.

How does it mesh with solving problems like a climate change or space travel...no-one knows, since for that you need talented engineers and scientists, which are impossible in their perfect world. And, no, if their core ideologically build on laziness and availability of everything, no-one gonna study sciences out of goodness of their heart or to contribute to the society at large, because everyone will choose an easy option.

Those cretins need to understand that evolution (in both biological and scientific sense) stops, when it is not enforced or they are no external factors moving it forward.

ChosenOne

06-26-2023, 11:22 PM

Not a joke: LGBTs don't reproduce, which is pretty much the same as being sterile, and if they had their way everyone would be in their camp and therefore humans would go extinct in a matter of decades. Who knows if that's their endgame, or even if they have one besides being obnoxious, but it's for sure more of a possibility now than ever before.

Mayhem

06-27-2023, 04:18 AM

So, what the **** is your point? That transpedos can do it, because, some priests and Republicans do it?
Nope, for all the "trans are bad" and "people in drag are bad" useless rhetoric around here, let's examine the fact that the two other groups I mention are far more "dangerous" in that capacity towards children, based on the news reports and convictions.

Not a joke: LGBTs don't reproduce, which is pretty much the same as being sterile, and if they had their way everyone would be in their camp and therefore humans would go extinct in a matter of decades. Who knows if that's their endgame, or even if they have one besides being obnoxious, but it's for sure more of a possibility now than ever before.
And I'll give you exhibit A, Oscar Wilde, and every other gay man that's had a beard over the centuries.

Dpooly84

06-27-2023, 05:57 AM

Lol what a fooken fool you are mayhem, keep pointing the fingers but your president's son molested his dead brothers daughter. Why isn't he in jail?

Sumac

06-27-2023, 07:17 AM

Not a joke: LGBTs don't reproduce, which is pretty much the same as being sterile, and if they had their way everyone would be in their camp and therefore humans would go extinct in a matter of decades.
Sounds like a conspiracy ******** and I don't believe in conspiracies.
Besides, even most delusional of those mentally ill people understand that they are more straight people than LGBBQs, even if counting various non-binary triple headed otherkin helicopters as part of their movement.

Their attempts to pretend that LGBBQs can be a separate culture akin to that of cultures of different countries and races are cute and highlight how dumb their whole gimmick is.

Nope, for all the "trans are bad" and "people in drag are bad" useless rhetoric around here, let's examine the fact that the two other groups I mention are far more "dangerous" in that capacity towards children, based on the news reports and convictions.
You are keep saying that, as if some of the DemRATS were not pedos. But I guess, your hatred dumbs you down, eh?

Also, once again, difference between trans and priests and "le ebil republicanz" is that trans is a group specifically founded around fetish and mental illness. It is a group, which routinely gaslights whole population into accepting them and their perversions as normal. And most people looking at those freakshows would figure that those people don't belong anywhere near children.

ChosenOne

06-27-2023, 08:57 AM

Sounds like a conspiracy ******** and I don't believe in conspiracies.
Besides, even most delusional of those mentally ill people understand that they are more straight people than LGBBQs, even if counting various non-binary triple headed otherkin helicopters as part of their movement.

How in hell is it a conspiracy? Who said anything about a conspiracy? Why do you see conspiracies everywhere? Yeesh. :roll:

Men x men or women x women cannot reproduce. Period. Now, you may have noticed the Alphabet Agenda doesn't give a rat's *ss about straight people, and in fact sees them as inferior. Something to be "educated" and overwhelmed with propaganda replaced. They're not tolerant at all.

So if they had their way - and fortunately this is the unlikely part but still not impossible by any means - and more and more people, until eventually everyone, joined their ranks... Who would be left to replenish the population as it naturally dies out?

See? Just a bit of abstract thinking taken to its logical conclusion. Not hard at all.

And I'll give you exhibit A, Oscar Wilde, and every other gay man that's had a beard over the centuries.

Over the centuries, yes. But beards aren't really a necessity anymore, are they?

Andrew NDB

06-27-2023, 10:58 AM

Nope, for all the "trans are bad" and "people in drag are bad" useless rhetoric around here

Just keep it away from children, that's all anyone is saying. Why does it need to be specifically brought and placed in front of children?

TurtleManiac

06-27-2023, 11:25 AM

When did it become a whole month long celebration? I remember when I was in High School early 2000’s I would hear about the annual gay pride day parade in San Francisco or wherever, but there were never rainbow flags all over the schools or at businesses, there weren’t LGBTQ+ themed commercials on TV, no gay propaganda in your face 24/7. Now there’s videos circulating on Twitter of pride parades where grown men are flashing their genitals at little kids, and the liberal parents sitting right there totally ok with it. All in the name of “progress”. Society has collapsed.

Sounds like a conspiracy ******** and I don't believe in conspiracies.

If there were no conspiracies that would mean everything reported by the mainstream news media is 100% true and accurate information.

So if they had their way - and fortunately this is the unlikely part but still not impossible by any means - and more and more people, until eventually everyone, joined their ranks... Who would be left to replenish the population as it naturally dies out?

Right, if the whole world was gay, wouldn’t all of humanity eventually just die off? I know pretty far fetched but all this LBGTQ+ propaganda in your face everywhere all year round kinda makes you wonder.

They keep moving the goal posts further too, gay is old news, now the trendy popular thing is transgenderism. Even got their own flags up at the White House.

Andrew NDB

06-27-2023, 12:00 PM

ChosenOne

06-27-2023, 12:03 PM

Society has collapsed.

I often wonder if this is how the Romans felt as it was happening to them.

Sumac

06-27-2023, 03:00 PM

I'm skeptical of a conspiracy as well BUT it is interesting that the same people pushing "Pride Progress" are generally people who feel a guilt that people are killing the planet and the different animal species and are raising the temperature, and boy, wouldn't the planet be so much better off if we weren't here or if there was at least a lot less of us, etc..
They are not connected. Not directly at least.
Its just happens that those people support basically everything "anti-establishment" or whatever passes in their wooden heads as "anti-mainstream".

And let me tell you - all those LGBBBQ* would not like the planet to die out. Most of them are mentally ill fetishists who ENJOY attention. Naturally they don't want anyone to die out, they NEED an audience so the whole world could see how GREAT and UNDERAPPRECIATED they are. Without audience they are basically nothing - just boring psychos.

The whole modern LGBBQ- thing is about getting attention and power through it. It is not about "rights", not about fighting Homophobia and whatnot. It is solely about attention and money. Which is why it can be said that LGB movement has been been betrayed from the inside and diffused into complete opposite of what it once meant to be.

So if they had their way - and fortunately this is the unlikely part but still not impossible by any means - and more and more people, until eventually everyone, joined their ranks... Who would be left to replenish the population as it naturally dies out?
Hm...
How in hell is it a conspiracy? Who said anything about a conspiracy? Why do you see conspiracies everywhere? Yeesh. :roll:
Your abstract thinking sounds like a paranoia and there is nothing logical about it.
Its just a typical boring fear-mongering typical for Homophobes and not very different from SJW screaming about "le ebil nazis" waiting to kill them behind every corner.

Society has collapsed.
And more fear-mongering. Boring.

If there were no conspiracies that would mean everything reported by the mainstream news media is 100% true and accurate information.
You do understand that news never have been accurate?
No report is 100% objective, since there are all go from people with various agendas. I don't know what news you are consuming, but I am sure as heck, most of them are subjective to one degree or the other.

Right, if the whole world was gay, wouldn’t all of humanity eventually just die off? I know pretty far fetched but all this LBGTQ+ propaganda in your face everywhere all year round kinda makes you wonder.

They keep moving the goal posts further too, gay is old news, now the trendy popular thing is transgenderism. Even got their own flags up at the White House.
Because, they want more power and attention. Maybe even more attention.
It is not about political goals - it is about throwing a tantrum and getting headpats.

CyberCubed

06-27-2023, 03:11 PM

I haven't posted here, but to me I really don't mind how people live their lives, or anyones personal lifestyle (obviously it doesn't affect me in any way). As long as gay people aren't bothering anyone else, it doesn't really matter. I have no problem with gay and lesbian couples, let them love who they want as long as everyone is above 18 years old and it's consenting.

ChosenOne

06-27-2023, 03:53 PM

Your abstract thinking (...) there is nothing logical about it.

Yes. That's... Uh, that's what abstract thinking means...

Its just a typical boring fear-mongering typical for Homophobes (...)

I'm bi. Care to try again?

Mayhem

06-27-2023, 05:27 PM

Over the centuries, yes. But beards aren't really a necessity anymore, are they?
No, but still happens, that’s for sure.

Mayhem

06-27-2023, 05:27 PM

Lol what a fooken fool you are mayhem, keep pointing the fingers but your president's son molested his dead brothers daughter. Why isn't he in jail?
I’m not American, he’s not my president by nationality, idiot.

Mayhem

06-27-2023, 05:30 PM

It is a group, which routinely gaslights whole population into accepting them and their perversions as normal.
Funny, could say exactly the same thing about organised religion… in fact at least two friends of mine basically stopped going to church in the US due to their local churches going off the rails in derangements from the people in charge, and took their faith and prayer to their own solitude.

Sumac

06-27-2023, 09:20 PM

I'm bi. Care to try again?
Is it like "I have Black friend, I can't be a racist"?

Either way an idea that Gay want to convert all people into Gays so humanity will stop reproduce, or somehow acceptance of Gay leads to eradication of humanity is absurd fear-mongering dumb ********, unworthy of even entertaining.

Cowabung-Gal

06-27-2023, 09:32 PM

“When everyone is gay…”

https://64.media.tumblr.com/bbcbb2d81c56e11baacc6785e5886370/b3b560fa2305c4f0-52/s540x810/6620481d3074f422de2b34b3db1da44f412a9a79.gif

All joking aside, the rich globalist elites like Bill Gates have made it clear that they aim to reduce the global population. By manipulating impressionable minors into sterilizing themselves through trans surgery, you would definitely have far less babies born in the future. Why else would the wokies, the elite’s useful idiots, defend public school teachers who tell their students they’re the opposite sex without consulting the parents first or advocate for laws that would take children away from parents if they don’t allow their kids to go through conversion therapy and/or surgery? Just sayin’

Sumac

06-27-2023, 11:13 PM

All joking aside, the rich globalist elites like Bill Gates have made it clear that they aim to reduce the global population.
And another dumb**** conspiracy theory.
I am not really sure what is worse - commie lefties or foil-hat wearing righties.

If I was more impressionable I'd say that modern world lost its marbles, but history of mankind proves that it always was like that with idiots on both sides of aisle believing in dumb nonsense, fitting their world and justifying their shortcomings. So nothing new here.

Andrew NDB

06-27-2023, 11:17 PM

I think, if anything, less people reproducing/being able to reproduce is more of a pleasant side effect for these people than the objective itself.

ChosenOne

06-27-2023, 11:41 PM

Is it like "I have Black friend, I can't be a racist"?

More like "I have legit f*cked other guys, how am I a homophobe?"...

Either way an idea that Gay want to convert all people into Gays so humanity will stop reproduce, or somehow acceptance of Gay leads to eradication of humanity is absurd fear-mongering dumb ********, unworthy of even entertaining.

And yet you manage to be extremely entertaining, what with your Conspir-o-Scopes(TM) and all. :)

I think, if anything, less people reproducing/being able to reproduce is more of a pleasant side effect for these people than the objective itself.

The only comforting notion in all this is that they have no endgame, and even if they did, they're too idiotic and disorganized to even know what it is, let alone see it through. Just blind, bleating cattle.

Coola Yagami

06-27-2023, 11:45 PM

And another dumb**** conspiracy theory.

Um.... no? Jokes aside, Bill Gates in particular has shown interest in decreasing the world's population 'for the greater good'.

ChosenOne

06-27-2023, 11:48 PM

Um.... no? Jokes aside, Bill Gates in particular has shown interest in decreasing the world's population 'for the greater good'.

You just know he had that "Mission Accomplished" banner ready to go back in 2021...

Cowabung-Gal

06-28-2023, 12:13 AM

And another dumb**** conspiracy theory.

Is it though?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WHB-1322

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Sumac

06-28-2023, 06:22 AM

More like "I have legit f*cked other guys, how am I a homophobe?"...
Your logic is weirdly at odds with your orientation, than.

And yet you manage to be extremely entertaining, what with your Conspir-o-Scopes(TM) and all. :)
What?

The only comforting notion in all this is that they have no endgame, and even if they did, they're too idiotic and disorganized to even know what it is, let alone see it through. Just blind, bleating cattle.
This is something I can agree.

I think, if anything, less people reproducing/being able to reproduce is more of a pleasant side effect for these people than the objective itself.
And what is their real objective?
Because, I don't see any.

Is it though?
It is.
For one - you know about it.
Second - they've already achieved everything they've set out to do.

ChosenOne

06-28-2023, 09:18 AM

Your logic is weirdly at odds with your orientation, than.

I don't see how. The Alphabet Agenda ultimately works against its own interests, and against those of us who'd rather go about our lives quietly, therefore I denounce it. The world isn't black and white. For instance, I'm rabidly pro-American but that doesn't stop me from recognizing how harmful he is and throwing the current illegitimate president under a bus. Literally, if I had the chance. It's called being realistic.

Cowabung-Gal

06-28-2023, 10:52 AM

It is.
For one - you know about it.

How does knowing the truth make me a conspiracist? Because our “benevolent” government, the so-called “journalists”, and the corporate mainstream media said it was a conspiracy?

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And let’s not forget Hunter’s laptop and the lab leak theory.

At this point, if the government and media suddenly said that the sky was actually red instead of blue, the NPC’s would believe it without question, even if they stepped outside and looked up to see the color for themselves. And those who say it’s really blue will be ostracized and accused of spreading “misinformation”

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
George Orwell, 1984

Second - they've already achieved everything they've set out to do.

No they haven’t. Not by a long shot. For instance, they haven’t completely replaced the material currency with the digital one. Of course the Federal Reserve will claim that a central bank digital currency “would be a means to expand safe payment options, not to reduce or replace cash.” But there is a hidden danger with digital currency:

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Andrew NDB

06-28-2023, 11:07 AM

And what is their real objective?
Because, I don't see any.

The moral and ethical equivalence of basically almost any and all behaviors, across all walks of life.

Basically.

Sumac

06-28-2023, 06:59 PM

I don't see how. The Alphabet Agenda ultimately works against its own interests, and against those of us who'd rather go about our lives quietly, therefore I denounce it. The world isn't black and white. For instance, I'm rabidly pro-American but that doesn't stop me from recognizing how harmful he is and throwing the current illegitimate president under a bus. Literally, if I had the chance. It's called being realistic.
I completely agree with that, except I still don't see any point in fear-mongering using crazy theories.

The moral and ethical equivalence of basically almost any and all behaviors, across all walks of life.
Basically.
I feel like there are many ways to achieve this goal, easier than they are doing.
Besides, I don't see any point in this. People already do some screwed up ****.

How does knowing the truth make me a conspiracist? Because our “benevolent” government, the so-called “journalists”, and the corporate mainstream media said it was a conspiracy?
Exactly: because, they say it is a conspiracy, it is not one.

No they haven’t. Not by a long shot. For instance, they haven’t completely replaced the material currency with the digital one. Of course the Federal Reserve will claim that a central bank digital currency “would be a means to expand safe payment options, not to reduce or replace cash.” But there is a hidden danger with digital currency:
Oh, please...:roll:

ChosenOne

06-28-2023, 07:16 PM

I completely agree with that, except I still don't see any point in fear-mongering using crazy theories.

Just because you choose to see it that way doesn't mean that's what I'm doing. It's just a random shower thought. Let it go, my good man. You're starting to sound like Drax.

Cowabung-Gal

06-28-2023, 09:36 PM

Exactly: because, they say it is a conspiracy, it is not one.

Okay…? Yet you indicated that I was some sort of conspiracist. I’m not a flat-Earther, and I don’t believe that aliens built the pyramids or that the moon landing was fake. But when things don’t add up or are looking rather suspicious, and when people in power slip up and accidentally reveal their true intentions, I’m not gonna shut up just because Uncle Sam wants me to.

Oh, please...:roll:

So I assume you have a backup plan in case it does hit the fan?

Barkworm

06-28-2023, 10:55 PM

Okay…? Yet you indicated that I was some sort of conspiracist. I’m not a flat-Earther... [...]

How are creationists more reasonable than flat-Earthers?

Andrew NDB

06-28-2023, 11:10 PM

How are creationists more reasonable than flat-Earthers?

Many creationists ARE Flat-Earthers. I know of many, who I interviewed when writing the movie "Flathead" with a friend. I might even go so far as to say most of them are.

Cowabung-Gal

06-28-2023, 11:17 PM

How are creationists more reasonable than flat-Earthers?

Here are two verses in the Bible that confirm the Earth to be round:

Isaiah 40:22, “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

Proverbs 8:27, “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth”

Also, according to the Bible, there are only two genders :lol: That’s one thing Christians and scientists can agree upon at least.

I don’t have to be a biologist to know what a woman is (considering I am one), yet despite not having a degree in biology, I have more common sense than a lot of these gender studies “experts”

Andrew NDB

06-28-2023, 11:26 PM

Here are two verses in the Bible that confirm the Earth to be round:

Isaiah 40:22, “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

But flat-earthers agree the Earth is a circle. Just, a flat one. Like a pancake in space.

Proverbs 8:27, “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth”

How does that mean the Earth is round?

Cowabung-Gal

06-28-2023, 11:33 PM

But flat-earthers agree the Earth is a circle. Just, a flat one. Like a pancake in space.

Well that’s stupid. Sounds like they have flat brains themselves

How does that mean the Earth is round?

Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round Earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical Earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe. [JSM]

The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical Earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical Earth. [JSM]

Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the Earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.” [Encyclopedia Brittanica]

The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical Earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the Earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]

The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]

https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

ChosenOne

06-28-2023, 11:38 PM

How does that mean the Earth is round?

Why else would you use a compass?

Funny thing is, even a spherical Earth depicted on a flat surface would appear as, well, flat. And it’s still presented as such even by our modern standards. Ergo, much like the mistaken notion that Nazis and Neo-Nazis are somehow right-wing, this whole flat Earth lunacy seems like something that got lost in translation throughout History because of human stupidity and/or literal thinking.

Andrew NDB

06-28-2023, 11:50 PM

Why else would you use a compass?

In flat earth belief, they claim magnetism only has one pole -- the north. The south doesn't exist.

ChosenOne

06-28-2023, 11:58 PM

In flat earth belief, they claim magnetism only has one pole -- the north. The south doesn't exist.

Not that kind of compass, the ones used for drawing circles.

Barkworm

06-29-2023, 01:10 AM

Well that’s stupid. Sounds like they have flat brains themselves

Quoting the bible to make a scientific point doesn‘t make you any smarter than those guys.

Andrew NDB

06-29-2023, 01:36 AM

Quoting the bible to make a scientific point doesn‘t make you any smarter than those guys.

While I'm not religious in the slightest, I always feel obliged to point out that while I can't subscribe to anything religious... I respect it. I didn't when I was a high schooler. I wanted religion taken down as the obvious hoax that it seemed to be. And honestly, you can point out any hole in the bible and I'll probably agree with you. But I'd still 1000% rather have a neighbor that is Christian/Catholic over an atheist hard leftist, easily. It wouldn't even be a consideration. Yeah, "The Church" has its share of problems and attracts a certain sort in certain circles, but at least a general sense of faith and "I'm accountable to a higher power" imbues real moral values when it works. The opposing view is kinda... nothing at all. Or full on leftism, which has full-on become its own religion in every sense of the word. And now we have narcissism and are actively baking a nice cake of nihilism and suddenly we don't know what a woman is beyond a costume. Basically the media and the "news" is the new church ("Hello, CNN and late night talk show hosts and the View, what am I supposed to be thinking today?"). And sure, you can point to Fox News as being guilty of similar behavior, but it's not coming from a place of ideology. It's mostly just pointing out ridiculous stuff and having a laugh, at length. As best as I can figure. Which annoys the left. I'm not an avid watcher of anything in particular, I watch both sides so I try to keep a pretty peripheral view of things as best as I can, but it is admittedly difficult.

Cowabung-Gal

06-29-2023, 01:39 AM

Quoting the bible to make a scientific point doesn‘t make you any smarter than those guys.

Would it make me smarter if I used the description “schnitzel-shaped” instead of “flat”? :lol:

Mayhem

06-29-2023, 02:54 AM

Flat-Earthism has always been a very minority held view throughout history anyhow, even back in ancient times when (mistakenly) people today think there was no enlightenment and that everyone back then thought it was. The fact there's a horizon and that you can see further the higher up you are in the sky is the simplest of proofs that the Earth can't be entirely flat. Otherwise I'd be able to see Australia once I cleared enough height above where I currently reside to get past the mountains etc.

Then again, there are probably people in this world who don't believe Australia exists...!

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2018/apr/15/australia-doesnt-exist-and-other-bizarre-geographic-conspiracies-that-wont-go-away

Coola Yagami

06-29-2023, 08:37 AM

I honestly don't know how flat-Earthers can exist among all the technology that exists.

I mean c'mon. You really think Disney or whoever wouldn't sell tickets for people to see the edge of the earth and make bank on that?

Andrew NDB

06-29-2023, 11:45 AM

The fact there's a horizon and that you can see further the higher up you are in the sky is the simplest of proofs that the Earth can't be entirely flat. Otherwise I'd be able to see Australia once I cleared enough height above where I currently reside to get past the mountains etc.

No, you wouldn't. Rayleigh scattering would blue it out.

Barkworm

06-29-2023, 01:53 PM

While I'm not religious in the slightest, I always feel obliged to point out that while I can't subscribe to anything religious... I respect it. I didn't when I was a high schooler. I wanted religion taken down as the obvious hoax that it seemed to be. And honestly, you can point out any hole in the bible and I'll probably agree with you. But I'd still 1000% rather have a neighbor that is Christian/Catholic over an atheist hard leftist, easily. It wouldn't even be a consideration. Yeah, "The Church" has its share of problems and attracts a certain sort in certain circles, but at least a general sense of faith and "I'm accountable to a higher power" imbues real moral values when it works. The opposing view is kinda... nothing at all. Or full on leftism, which has full-on become its own religion in every sense of the word. And now we have narcissism and are actively baking a nice cake of nihilism and suddenly we don't know what a woman is beyond a costume. Basically the media and the "news" is the new church ("Hello, CNN and late night talk show hosts and the View, what am I supposed to be thinking today?"). And sure, you can point to Fox News as being guilty of similar behavior, but it's not coming from a place of ideology. It's mostly just pointing out ridiculous stuff and having a laugh, at length. As best as I can figure. Which annoys the left. I'm not an avid watcher of anything in particular, I watch both sides so I try to keep a pretty peripheral view of things as best as I can, but it is admittedly difficult.

I don't know about all that, I've never met any of the crazy leftist that people go on and on about here. I'm not saying they don't exist, maybe it's more of an American thing because of your two party world? Most of my friends are liberals but no one seems insane or fit your description in any way.

I do know many conservative Christians since my family consists of devout Catholics. I also live next door to some anti-migration, climate change sceptical right-wingers who happen to be my in-laws and we all get along fine. Just don't bother trying to convince each other about anything.

Sumac

07-01-2023, 07:27 PM

Okay…? Yet you indicated that I was some sort of conspiracist. I’m not a flat-Earther, and I don’t believe that aliens built the pyramids or that the moon landing was fake. But when things don’t add up or are looking rather suspicious, and when people in power slip up and accidentally reveal their true intentions, I’m not gonna shut up just because Uncle Sam wants me to.
Believing in global elites trying to force normal people to do something is conspiracy.
Partially, because, it is very obvious that it takes place in real life and partially, because, your ideas of their goals make you look like a lunatic.

So I assume you have a backup plan in case it does hit the fan?
What do you even mean?
Police will confiscate paper money or something?

Cowabung-Gal

07-01-2023, 09:05 PM

Believing in global elites trying to force normal people to do something is conspiracy.
Partially, because, it is very obvious that it takes place in real life and partially, because, your ideas of their goals make you look like a lunatic

How many people in WW2 era Europe were called “lunatics” for saying that the Big Baddies were going to round people up and slaughter them?

What do you even mean?
Police will confiscate paper money or something?

They’ll have to confiscate your guns first. And they’ve been trying very hard to do that lately.

And if you’re going to say, “Well, I’ll just get gold”, the government banned ownership of gold during the 1930’s, but the ban was repealed during the 70’s. It might happen again though

Coola Yagami

07-01-2023, 10:13 PM

Police will confiscate paper money or something?

Hasn't there been a push recently to stop using actual paper money and make things as digital as possible? Some small places have even stopped taking cash and only use the card swipers.

I mean, even though I doubt this big 'round everyone up' thing will happen in our lifetime, it's a long process and the steps have been underway for years now. It's not gonna happen overnight. But gradual things like phasing out money, phasing out gas stoves, phasing out gasoline-powered cars, making people eat bugs, making everything digital so literally everything you own is much more like a rented service than something you actually personally own.

Cowabung-Gal

07-01-2023, 11:45 PM

Coola Yagami

07-02-2023, 12:22 AM

Concerned Parents: Why are they chanting “We’re coming for your children”? :ohwell:

NBC: Oh, they’ve always said that at Pride events. :D

Concerned Parents: :teek:

Why on Earth did NBC think it was a good idea to say that like it was damage control? That only makes it so much worse!

I know part of it is tongue in cheek, kinda like 'we're coming for your children to teach them to not grow up to be bigots' while also trolling conservatives with their own assumptions.

But it didn't help to have actual convicted child molesters form part of that one gay choir that was singing 'we're coming for your children' either......

Honestly, I know it's trolling from their end, but the whole 'were coming for your children' when you combine drag queen story hour, them talking about gay sex around grade schoolers, parents taking kids to drag shows and people being half-naked shaking their junk in front of kids at pride parades..... to the average joe on the street the whole 'coming for your children' thing doesn't look like trolling.

Sumac

07-02-2023, 01:49 AM

How many people in WW2 era Europe were called “lunatics” for saying that the Big Baddies were going to round people up and slaughter them?
Attitude towards Jews in nazi Germany was very well known and to shame of global community it was ignored, because, of the fear of another big war.
Ignorance doesn't make for good arguments.

They’ll have to confiscate your guns first. And they’ve been trying very hard to do that lately.
Their attempts will not be successful.

But gradual things like phasing out money, phasing out gas stoves, phasing out gasoline-powered cars, making people eat bugs, making everything digital so literally everything you own is much more like a rented service than something you actually personally own.
Outside of replacing your personal things with renting, which I agree takes place to a certain extent, none of it is bad. Also, why the **** everyone is so obsessed with "eating bugs"? Its like "5G towers cause COVID" level of retarded.

Honestly, I know it's trolling from their end, but the whole 'were coming for your children' when you combine drag queen story hour, them talking about gay sex around grade schoolers, parents taking kids to drag shows and people being half-naked shaking their junk in front of kids at pride parades..... to the average joe on the street the whole 'coming for your children' thing doesn't look like trolling.
One should think twice before uttering "we are coming for your children" in any context. Especially, when it comes from a group, which a lot of people (rightfully?) suspect in being pedophiles.

Coola Yagami

07-02-2023, 02:14 AM

Outside of replacing your personal things with renting, which I agree takes place to a certain extent, none of it is bad. Also, why the **** everyone is so obsessed with "eating bugs"? Its like "5G towers cause COVID" level of retarded.

I'm not really sure. I think the general idea is instead of eating meat, eat bugs, even though technically speaking you're still eating animals. There have been pushes for that sort of thing and certain smaller companies have already started sneaking ground up crickets and such as part of the ingredients in their chips.

Andrew NDB

07-02-2023, 02:26 AM

Honestly, I know it's trolling from their end, but the whole 'were coming for your children' when you combine drag queen story hour, them talking about gay sex around grade schoolers, parents taking kids to drag shows and people being half-naked shaking their junk in front of kids at pride parades..... to the average joe on the street the whole 'coming for your children' thing doesn't look like trolling.

I'm shocked that it's not more obviously noticed by regular people. Boom, there's a sudden -- out of nowhere -- push for drag queen story hour in elementary schools. OK. So surely there's also a push at the same time for, like, burlesque shows with women doing the same, right? Oh, there isn't? So why is it specifically drag queens -- men dressed as women -- that is the focus and what is being pushed? Why is that -- specifically -- so important to these people? And we all know the answer. And so do they.

Cowabung-Gal

07-02-2023, 02:02 PM

Attitude towards Jews in nazi Germany was very well known and to shame of global community it was ignored, because, of the fear of another big war.
Ignorance doesn't make for good arguments.

There were all kinds of signs that things would get ugly under a Nazi takeover, one example being the publication of Hitler’s book Mein Kampf. The German Jews dismissed those signs and thought that the Nazis wouldn’t last long enough in power to go to such extremes anyway. Then, before they could escape from Germany, it was too late.

Their attempts will not be successful.

What makes you so certain of that? Because the People won’t let it happen? Most of them still believe in the system and can’t even avert their eyes from the mainstream media, which is the ultimate propaganda tool for the government, so when you reveal ugly truths to them like kids are being exposed to naked guys at Pride parades, they scoff at you and refuse to believe it

Coola Yagami

07-02-2023, 06:41 PM

so when you reveal ugly truths to them like kids are being exposed to naked guys at Pride parades, they scoff at you and refuse to believe it

Or they turn you into the bad guy for pointing it out.

Sumac

07-04-2023, 11:07 PM

I'm not really sure. I think the general idea is instead of eating meat, eat bugs, even though technically speaking you're still eating animals. There have been pushes for that sort of thing and certain smaller companies have already started sneaking ground up crickets and such as part of the ingredients in their chips.
So what? In some countries people are eating bugs and? It is unrealistic to phase out meat industry in just few years, bar major disaster.
I am not really sure what is rationale behind this conspiracy.

There were all kinds of signs that things would get ugly under a Nazi takeover, one example being the publication of Hitler’s book Mein Kampf. The German Jews dismissed those signs and thought that the Nazis wouldn’t last long enough in power to go to such extremes anyway. Then, before they could escape from Germany, it was too late.
Do you seriously comparing genocide with phasing out paper money?
Is it a trolling or some brain worms?

What makes you so certain of that? Because the People won’t let it happen? Most of them still believe in the system and can’t even avert their eyes from the mainstream media, which is the ultimate propaganda tool for the government, so when you reveal ugly truths to them like kids are being exposed to naked guys at Pride parades, they scoff at you and refuse to believe it
Because, majority of the people won't like it. Grudging acceptance is not a real acceptance - it comes from someone from a country where grudging acceptance was the norm for the whole 20th century and even now.
People can be scared into a submission, but fear doesn't equal brainwashing. As soon as regime changes most of the people will support new thing.

Also, don't think of people as easily manipulated vegetables. You are basically parroting SJW rhetoric at this point.

Everyone have their own reasons for having an opinion and it goes deeper than "muh TV said this and that". Majority of people do not want to think why they support one thing or the other, but its usually comes from ignorance, not malice (like people who support trans, because they don't know disgusting details about them and see them as "oppressed victims").

Like I, myself, less than a decade was a SJW, largely out of ignorance, since I never took my time to sift through their ideology, what it entails and what values and how they are supporting. I just heard: "we are good guys for equality and Gays and Blacks are people too!" which was (and technically still is) completely OK with me. Its just when I got through their ideology and saw their rhetoric in all its sordid details, it has become obvious who they are and what they are really fighting for.

Also, third trans shooter this year. This one also fan of BLM. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12264195/PICTURED-Cross-dressing-gunman-July-4-Philly-bloodbath-left-five-dead-BLM-supporter.html)

FredWolfLeonardo

07-04-2023, 11:37 PM

I didn't know you saw yourself as once being an SJW.

Fascinating.

Cowabung-Gal

07-05-2023, 12:00 AM

Do you seriously comparing genocide with phasing out paper money?
Is it a trolling or some brain worms?

Genocide only happens in authoritarian regimes devoid of democracy. But if we continue to give more power to the government, like allow them to control our bank accounts through a digital central banking system, then we’ll eventually lose that democracy, especially if the younger generation is unaware of the dangers of big government. The Marxist Left hates the nuclear family and wants to destroy it (or “disrupt” it as BLM puts it) because children with no real parental authority in their life will instantly turn to the government for security and safety, they will believe everything they are told through propaganda without question, and they will easily become the government’s tools. It’s how Hitler and Stalin came into power.

https://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2022/01/13/column-california-should-abolish-parenthood-name-equity/6513756001/

https://www.newsweek.com/no-president-biden-children-dont-belong-government-opinion-1703558

Also, don't think of people as easily manipulated vegetables. You are basically parroting SJW rhetoric at this point.

The mere existence of SJW’s is proof that people can easily be manipulated.

Coola Yagami

07-05-2023, 12:52 AM

So what? In some countries people are eating bugs and? It is unrealistic to phase out meat industry in just few years, bar major disaster.

I mean... it's unrealistic, but that pretty much seems to be the end goal. That whole thing about 'taking care of the cows to reduce cow farts' or whatever nonsense they're planning..... I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up 'accidentally' killing the cows and increasing the push for bugs.

Personally I don't get the whole push for bugs either. Not like cows are gonna run out.

Andrew NDB

07-05-2023, 12:59 AM

I mean, when you subtract the actual crazy people decrying the stuff... it's not made up stuff. It's real stuff. The methane cows exude is increasing emissions and increasingly making the climate hotter, in the long term. Especially since there's just, well, more and more people from one generation to the next. So that means more and more cows and more and more farting. We can laugh about it, but it isn't slowing down. I'm good with kicking the can down a while, but... eventually this will have to be addressed.

The way I see it there's two options. We can make there be less people, through things like China policies, or we keep the floodgates open for people to just do whatever and just innovate our way through things as we've had a pretty great track record of doing so far.

Mayhem

07-05-2023, 04:05 AM

Or what some of the push is, wean people off eating so much meat, into eating more vegetables and other "meat" products (be it pseudo protein or insects or whatever) instead to reduce the number of cows etc needed in the world.

Andrew NDB

07-05-2023, 10:52 AM

Metalwolf

07-05-2023, 02:43 PM

The way I see it there's two options. We can make there be less people, through things like China policies, or we keep the floodgates open for people to just do whatever and just innovate our way through things as we've had a pretty great track record of doing so far.

I'd say we're running out of the ability to innovate without it making the problem worse.

Innovation, real innovation, would be learning to see technology as a tool and not an eternal magical panacea to somehow always solve mankind's hubris and carelessness and stupidity one day 'tomorrow.' It's trap is that it tricks us into a feeling we always have enough time and can always can put things off, making us think we can 'innovate' around the problem so much before we run out of time. It's why stuff has been put off (like climate change) because people are expecting innovation to always ride in and save the day three seconds before midnight on the doomsday clock, even as we decide to keep rolling the dice on our chances.

Sumac

07-06-2023, 01:31 AM

Genocide only happens in authoritarian regimes devoid of democracy.
I've got bad news for you - Western Democracy exists mostly on paper, like it always did. Majority of stuff decided by rich elites between themselves behind the curtains and people's opinion accounted only in general. And when it does its usually used by power hungry politicians to boost their own power, until they won't depend on crowd anymore.

This is how we got to the point were some countries can put a penalty on you for calling pedofreak "a man" instead of "a woman". None of it would have passed a referendum amongst normal people, but here we are.

The Marxist Left hates the nuclear family and wants to destroy it (or “disrupt” it as BLM puts it) because children with no real parental authority in their life will instantly turn to the government for security and safety, they will believe everything they are told through propaganda without question, and they will easily become the government’s tools.
It won't work, since people are predisposed to have families. It didn't work with real Communists in Russia in power in the beginning of 20th century, it wont work with keyboard warriors and their pedo allies calling for it.

On that note, I find the whole concept to be absurd. I've recently read article, which argued that "society should be changed, because, families harm often Homosexuals and trans and the only way to combat it is to abolish families". Imagine being so retarded that you want to abolish something as natural as family, because, 1%+ is unhappy with theirs.

As if their idea of "family units" will work and they would always treat their children right.

It’s how Hitler and Stalin came into power.
No.
It was much more complex process and it was not just, because, "children believed everything they have been told".

The mere existence of SJW’s is proof that people can easily be manipulated.
You can replace SJW with anything from Christianity to Scientology.
It doesn't specifically pertain to the SJW in any way shape or form.

I'd say we're running out of the ability to innovate without it making the problem worse.
Not really - the main enemy of progress is governmental policies and various fear-mongers, including people on both Left and Right. As well, as interests of corporations to preserve their power and influence.

I am not advocating for total mad scientists experiments, but West puts so much red tape around various stuff, that scientists either move to China or give up on their experiments all-together.

Cowabung-Gal

07-06-2023, 01:56 AM

I've got bad news for you - Western Democracy exists mostly on paper, like it always did. Majority of stuff decided by rich elites between themselves behind the curtains and people's opinion accounted only in general. And when it does its usually used by power hungry politicians to boost their own power, until they won't depend on crowd anymore.

So if you believe that, then why is so hard to believe that the rich elite want to reduce the population through their ridiculous woke policies? After all, the smaller the population, the easier it is to control.

You can replace SJW with anything from Christianity to Scientology.
It doesn't specifically pertain to the SJW in any way shape or form

So people in general are easy to manipulate then.

We keep going back and forth on history lessons but it’s like no one wants to acknowledge the signs that history is about to repeat itself. What makes us any different from our ancestors? That we have iPhones and Pop-Tarts while they didn’t? We still deal with wars and slavery is still alive in some countries. And the so-called “progressives” want to bring back racial segregation and argue that it’s for the “safety” of black people. A large portion of humanity refuses to learn and it’s destroying our society.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but at least I’m not burying my head in the sand like a lot of people are.

Andrew NDB

07-06-2023, 02:04 AM

So if you believe that, then why is so hard to believe that the rich elite want to reduce the population through their ridiculous woke policies? After all, the smaller the population, the easier it is to control.

Going after the 2nd amendment is absolutely about control. An unarmed populace is one you can steamroll over, and we've seen it time and time again. The reducing population, I think, is mostly stemming from an overall liberal (though I'm really hesitating to use the word "liberal" because this is really a "hard leftist" thing, which is different, but it began with liberals) utopia dream. Though honestly I don't think it's a bad one, I hate to say it, though not remotely in the way they're going about it. But sooner or later it WILL catch up with us and then we'll be able to do very little about it.

So people in general are easy to manipulate then.

If COVID was an experiment, and I'm not suggesting it was, then we already have our answer. And so does big government. And... oh, boy, did they learn a lot of data.

And the so-called “progressives” want to bring back racial segregation and argue that it’s for the “safety” of black people.

It's a tale as old as time, if you read history. This is, maybe not step 1, but step 3 or 4 on the journey.

Mayhem

07-06-2023, 04:34 AM

That's not going to happen.
The eating more vegetables part, the move to other sources of protein part, or both?

When I hit 40, I re-evaluated some of my lifestyle and made some changes. Not massive ones, but better ones, reducing red meat intake (in preference for more chicken and fish), more veggies and fruit, less processed sugars, and so forth. While my joints are bitching about me approaching 50, the rest of my body is in pretty excellent shape from the recent health screen I had.

Cowabung-Gal

07-06-2023, 10:24 PM

Warning: language

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So even Pride month is becoming increasingly unpopular with the gays and trans

The next YouTube video has a disturbing image so I’ll just provide the link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6mPAMRPPmo

Barkworm

07-07-2023, 12:56 AM

The eating more vegetables part, the move to other sources of protein part, or both?

When I hit 40, I re-evaluated some of my lifestyle and made some changes. Not massive ones, but better ones, reducing red meat intake (in preference for more chicken and fish), more veggies and fruit, less processed sugars, and so forth. While my joints are bitching about me approaching 50, the rest of my body is in pretty excellent shape from the recent health screen I had.

Good for you! I‘ve been doing the same thing for a while and I‘m in the shape of my life.

You‘re completely right about reducing meat in your diet equaling fewer ecological problems. But as many other issues, the simple solutions are TOO simple for people who see their personal `freedom`(in reality it‘s just their egotism) as more important than anything else.

It‘t the same with speed limits on highways here. Every study (as well as common sense) indicate that speed limits would reduce carbon emissions siginificantly but NO - Germans just take too much pride in being the only European country where you could go 130 miles per hour on the highway if you want to.

Andrew NDB

07-07-2023, 02:49 AM

Barkworm

07-07-2023, 03:30 AM

I've seen enormous examples of people almost just eating meat that are flourishing when even before they were suffering. So I'm not sure about that. And if we're talking about stuff like "Impossible" meat, as in meat made from plants... that's a whole other subject. Like, you want to grow boobs, go ahead, at least in some options being pushed. Although if one wanted to go vegan (not me!) there IS some fascinating options to basically replicate meat taste and satisfaction.
Oh, I‘m not against eating meat at all nor do I think there aren‘t benefits about eating it. I was strictly talking about the reduction of meat in your diet to reduce carbon emissions. That‘s something I firmly believe in.

Mayhem

07-07-2023, 04:03 AM

Indeed, nutritionists recommend about 20% of our food intake should be protein, be it meat or whatever source. The other 80% being plants and vegetables and a bit of dairy (you need to consume some fat in your diet, it's unhealth otherwise). Willing to bet a lot of people have a consumption rate far in excess of that.

Barkworm

07-07-2023, 05:17 AM

The other 80% being plants and vegetables and a bit of dairy (you need to consume some fat in your diet, it's unhealth otherwise).
You actually need lots of fat in your diet for several reasons, it just needs to be "good" fat, like nuts or oily fish. Look at Italy, everything is drenched in olive oil and they have a ridiculously low number of people with cardiovascular disease.

Sumac

07-07-2023, 09:39 AM

So if you believe that, then why is so hard to believe that the rich elite want to reduce the population through their ridiculous woke policies? After all, the smaller the population, the easier it is to control.
You have answered your own question - because those policies are so ridiculous and bizarre, so barely anyone will follow them or they are just hard to implement in real life. If anything COVID had proven how slow and bureaucratic machine is in many Western countries. And you seriously expect this same machine being effective, when implementing plans of elites?

This is the same reason, why totalitarian countries fail in the long run: because, they are so big and ineffective any order turns into a mess, while passing through the different structures. And you expect multiple bureaucratic machines from different countries to work together flawlessly?

So people in general are easy to manipulate then.
As I said before, do not underestimate humans and don't think of them as some sponges. This makes you similar to a SJW. Or a Fascist.

We keep going back and forth on history lessons but it’s like no one wants to acknowledge the signs that history is about to repeat itself. What makes us any different from our ancestors? That we have iPhones and Pop-Tarts while they didn’t? We still deal with wars and slavery is still alive in some countries. And the so-called “progressives” want to bring back racial segregation and argue that it’s for the “safety” of black people. A large portion of humanity refuses to learn and it’s destroying our society.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but at least I’m not burying my head in the sand like a lot of people are.
Your arguments don't make sense. Simple as that and sounds like a paranoid fear-mongering.

You say that history about to "repeat itself" but I'd like to know how? What exactly will be repeated?

The fact that West allows itself to be manipulated by bunch of idiots is nothing new, neither its the end of times.

So even Pride month is becoming increasingly unpopular with the gays and trans
It was unpopular for a few years by now, when instead of celebrating authencity of LGBs, it has become about pedotrans and "their struggle".

Actually this June seemingly was relatively low on support of LGBBBQ/ lunatics - not in the least, because, of harassment campaign surrounding Hogwarts Legacy, Budweiser (and others) retarded ad campaigns featuring "most oppressed community in the world) and few trans-shooters.

Cowabung-Gal

07-07-2023, 12:50 PM

And you expect multiple bureaucratic machines from different countries to work together flawlessly?

We wouldn’t have the UN if that vision was impossible. It’s a start.

You have answered your own question - because those policies are so ridiculous and bizarre, so barely anyone will follow them or they are just hard to implement in real life.

Unless you demoralize the populace to the point where they’ll believe and do anything you ask.

As I said before, do not underestimate humans and don't think of them as some sponges. This makes you similar to a SJW. Or a Fascist.

All it takes is one edited clip of a tragedy from the mainstream media to turn an entire city of usually rational people into a jungle of inconsolable and destructive animals.

As Agent K said, “A person is smart; people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals”.

If I were an SJW or a fascist, I wouldn’t tell the truth and allow people to come to their own conclusions. I’d instead try to manipulate or dumb down the populace and make them my useful idiots.

Your arguments don't make sense. Simple as that and sounds like a paranoid fear-mongering.

You say that history about to "repeat itself" but I'd like to know how? What exactly will be repeated?

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Coola Yagami

07-07-2023, 06:28 PM

Unless you demoralize the populace to the point where they’ll believe and do anything you ask.

All it takes is one edited clip of a tragedy from the mainstream media to turn an entire city of usually rational people into a jungle of inconsolable and destructive animals.

The first thing was pretty much CoVid lockdowns.

That second thing was pretty much George Floyd.

That's why things like 'murder hornets' and 'monkey pox' seemed to have vanished into thin air. It didn't cause the massive uproar TPTB had been hoping for so they dropped it for whatever else. And by now 80-90% of the general populous stopped being afraid of CoVid whether they're vaccinated or not so pushing another variant, booster or 'winter of death' is off the table since they know it won't work anymore.

DarkFell

07-07-2023, 06:59 PM

It‘s the same with speed limits on highways here. Every study (as well as common sense) indicate that speed limits would reduce carbon emissions significantly but NO - Germans just take too much pride in being the only European country where you could go 130 miles per hour on the highway if you want to.
My stepmom loved driving fast out there on her last international trip before her retirement from The Army base that she served.

My father was stationed in Augsburg back when East and West Germany was still a thing. He brought up Alligator Mountain. I don't know much about it, but it was brought up that it was a rather mean place to drive near.

And yes, fast driving was also brought up.

Sumac

07-08-2023, 06:52 AM

We wouldn’t have the UN if that vision was impossible. It’s a start.
Because, UN proved itself to be exactly useful...how?

All they can is to make proclamations, which do not necessitate any consequences. They have peacekeepers, but once again, they are not exactly G.I. Joes who fight dictators and terrorism.

If anything UN proves that international bureaucracy is clumsy and ineffective. Its existence is as effective as an European Union, which is to say not effective at all.

Unless you demoralize the populace to the point where they’ll believe and do anything you ask.
Demoralization is possible only in perpetually declining conditions.

Regardless of how you view recent technological progress and "culture wars" it does not happen in the West, no matter attempts of fear-mongering lefties to say that World is to be flooded, burnt, killed by racists and homophobes, killed, if you don't wear masks / wear masks and whatnot.

For example modern day Russians are extremely passive exactly, because, last decades of Soviet Union had betrayed everything empire stood for, not to mention even before that they didn't had a lot of influence on decisions of government due it being dictatorship.
Than Russians were betrayed by so called "Young Democrats" and promises of the free market. This is how you get extremely complacent population.

AFAIK, nothing like this occurs in the West, despite attempts of both sides to present the world like its being torn apart by either transpedos or rampant Nazis behind every corner.

All it takes is one edited clip of a tragedy from the mainstream media to turn an entire city of usually rational people into a jungle of inconsolable and destructive animals.

As Agent K said, “A person is smart; people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals”.
While he is not wrong, I've yet to see examples of it in the modern West, when it comes to civilized people.
Not bunch of activists or crazy freaks.

If I were an SJW or a fascist, I wouldn’t tell the truth and allow people to come to their own conclusions. I’d instead try to manipulate or dumb down the populace and make them my useful idiots.
First, you should be very careful while pretending that you are telling truth.
You yourself is not isolated from manipulations and misinformation. Not to mention personal biases. As such your "truth" might be just as misguided as someone else's lie.

Second, there is such thing as a "useful idiot". Someone who tries their best to help, believing in sanctity of their mission, but in reality they just being (unwillingly) goaded into helping someone's agenda.

You might not realize it, but your proclamations might help other to goad them into web of lies, which is why any statement about "truth" should always be taken with a barge of salt.

The first thing was pretty much CoVid lockdowns.

That second thing was pretty much George Floyd.
Interestingly, despite both events being handled in extremes manipulative manner, they didn't manage to change status quo a lot: people stopped caring about COVID and riots had stopped being a topic and if anything served as another divider for a population.
It doesn't help that BLM was outed as bunch of grifters.

Cowabung-Gal

07-08-2023, 08:45 AM

Demoralization is possible only in perpetually declining conditions.

And everything is just hunky dory here in the West?

While he is not wrong, I've yet to see examples of it in the modern West, when it comes to civilized people.
Not bunch of activists or crazy freaks.

Okay, how about the 2016 election? How many “civilized people” suddenly became the most deranged and angriest people on the planet overnight? And how many of them still are to this day? You can thank the mainstream media for that one.

First, you should be very careful while pretending that you are telling truth.
You yourself is not isolated from manipulations and misinformation.

And I could say the same thing about you.

You might not realize it, but your proclamations might help other to goad them into web of lies, which is why any statement about "truth" should always be taken with a barge of salt.

So when someone says that there are only two genders, should I take their proclamation “with a barge of salt” because it conflicts with someone else’s “truth” since they believe that there are more than two? After all, truth is subjective right?

It sounds to me like you’re in denial that the West will ever fall or become dystopian, like the very thought of it scares you. And it is scary. There are many who are trying to keep this country from falling apart and fighting to protect our Constitution from the commies at the White House, but let’s face it: good times make weak men. Americans in general have lived a comfortable life for the last century and it’s made us lazy and even stupid. Many don’t care if the government does strip away our rights as long as they “take care of our needs”, which they do a crappy job of anyway.

ChosenOne

07-08-2023, 09:44 AM

I wouldn’t say the European is ineffective. Not when it has succeeded so spectacularly at stomping down and stifling the economies of several member countries, my own included, so that we're forced to import everything from a handful of others.

Coola Yagami

07-08-2023, 11:54 AM

Interestingly, despite both events being handled in extremes manipulative manner, they didn't manage to change status quo a lot: people stopped caring about COVID and riots had stopped being a topic and if anything served as another divider for a population.
It doesn't help that BLM was outed as bunch of grifters.

Eh, nowadays people are still getting cancelled or in some sort of trouble if they speak ill of the CoVid vaccine or BLM. As recent as that Spiderverse sequel you have character with BLM pins, and people complain about the people that complain about it. Sadly way too people still believe the BLM grift.

Sumac

07-08-2023, 07:23 PM

And everything is just hunky dory here in the West?
No, but neither it is anywhere else.
In fact, situation is much better, unless you are terminally online and consume media and news 24/7.

Okay, how about the 2016 election? How many “civilized people” suddenly became the most deranged and angriest people on the planet overnight? And how many of them still are to this day? You can thank the mainstream media for that one.
They are "activists" I was speaking about.
If person suddenly turns into zealous retard overnight they were never normal to begin with.

And I could say the same thing about you.
I never said I have any kind of "truth".
I now better than that, pardon my arrogance.
I can recommend you to temper your arrogance as well.

So when someone says that there are only two genders, should I take their proclamation “with a barge of salt” because it conflicts with someone else’s “truth” since they believe that there are more than two? After all, truth is subjective right?
Depends on a situation.

It sounds to me like you’re in denial that the West will ever fall or become dystopian, like the very thought of it scares you. And it is scary. There are many who are trying to keep this country from falling apart and fighting to protect our Constitution from the commies at the White House, but let’s face it: good times make weak men. Americans in general have lived a comfortable life for the last century and it’s made us lazy and even stupid. Many don’t care if the government does strip away our rights as long as they “take care of our needs”, which they do a crappy job of anyway.
It seems you are just a fear-mongering doomer, who is also arrogant and thinks she knows better than anyone else.

And all of those are mistakes.
They are understandable, given the context, but having moderation and humility, as well, as a clear perspective, as opposed to emotional gut reactions and "TAKE THAT" moments, will make you much more palatable to everyone.

I wouldn’t say the European is ineffective. Not when it has succeeded so spectacularly at stomping down and stifling the economies of several member countries, my own included, so that we're forced to import everything from a handful of others.
Its less a European strength, but an individual country weakness.
And greed of its elites.

Cowabung-Gal

07-08-2023, 07:50 PM

They are "activists" I was speaking about.
If person suddenly turns into zealous retard overnight they were never normal to begin with.

No, they’re not all “activists”. Not everyone who riots or acts like a total a-hole toward people with different opinions is an activist. Many are just regular people who allow the mainstream media to shape their way of thinking instead of doing the research themselves and coming to their own conclusions, so when the Establishment doesn’t get their way, to quote Joker, “Well, then everyone loses their minds”.

I never said I have any kind of "truth".
I now better than that, pardon my arrogance.
I can recommend you to temper your arrogance as well.

Sure, Dad

It seems you are just a fear-mongering doomer, who is also arrogant and thinks she knows better than anyone else.

Yeah, nowadays, truth-telling is considered to be “fear-mongering”. Maybe I am pessimistic, but if I were to “humble” myself as you think I should, then I’d just become an NPC who mindlessly consumes everything and wouldn’t know what to do when it does hit the fan, except maybe trust that our good friends the government will save the day. (Spoiler alert: they won’t). And I’m capable of changing my perspective on things. For instance, I don’t worship cops anymore like I used to before the lockdowns. Now I know many (but not all) of them are just tools of the system who will do unspeakable and unconstitutional things while using the excuse, “I’m just doing my job”

I don’t know better than everyone else, but I do know better than some in a couple of areas, like you do.

One of the most crucial mistakes a person can make is to get into the mindset of “That could never happen to me.”