Sony's Madame Web movie [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

IMJ

06-28-2022, 02:12 PM

The only real legs Sony could get out of turning their licensing of Spider-Man as an I.P. into a "universe" would be a solid Spidey trilogy, a Spidey 2099 trilogy (which if done like a Blade Runner flick could be amazing) and maybe punctuated with some luck from a "stretch" film like they got away with using Venom.

Having a bunch of bad guy movies coalesce into a Sinister Six film was always a ridiculous and awful idea.

MsMarvelDuckie

06-30-2022, 08:26 AM

Given Madame Web's position and connections in the comics, this could be kind of intriguing. I would definitely watch it, if only to see how they weave in the multiverse with her. (Anyone remember her part in the final arc of Spider-Man TAS?)

Andrew NDB

06-30-2022, 11:16 AM

The only real legs Sony could get out of turning their licensing of Spider-Man as an I.P. into a "universe" would be a solid Spidey trilogy, a Spidey 2099 trilogy (which if done like a Blade Runner flick could be amazing) and maybe punctuated with some luck from a "stretch" film like they got away with using Venom.

There's got to be something preventing Sony from doing that with respect to their deal with Disney/Marvel. Like, why in the world would they be doing a Morbius or a Madame Web movie when they could be doing Miles Morales movies as the "Sony Spider-Man"?

MsMarvelDuckie

07-01-2022, 05:55 PM

member_removed

07-02-2022, 05:09 AM

Simple. Miles doesn't have a huge cast of side character's and villains to work with! You could literally mine Peter's side character's and random villains for YEARS and never even scratch the surface of the full roster!

Yeah, but, You could do Venom vs Miles or anyone vs Miles. People would still watch it.

Enter the Spider-Verse did well enough for a couple sequels.

The Miles PS game did well enough, I think his an established enough character to fly solo.

Ideally I'd like to see Sony and Disney come to some kind of custody agreement. Where Disney can the film rights Peter Parker and Sony can do live action Miles. Keep the two universes separate (outside of multiverse).

Andrew NDB

07-02-2022, 05:56 AM

Yeah, but, You could do Venom vs Miles or anyone vs Miles. People would still watch it.

Enter the Spider-Verse did well enough for a couple sequels.

The Miles PS game did well enough, I think his an established enough character to fly solo.

Ideally I'd like to see Sony and Disney come to some kind of custody agreement. Where Disney can the film rights Peter Parker and Sony can do live action Miles. Keep the two universes separate (outside of multiverse).

I feel like there is untold hours and hours of boardroom conversations about just this between Sony and Marvel.

But yeah. There has to be things in whatever agreement they reached and then renewed at the 11th hour (remember the stories about Tom Holland calling Bob Iger drunkenly?) about what Sony can and can't do, as in if they still want to earn tons of cash from MCU Spider-Man stuff. Because surely Sony would be dumping out Miles Morales movies and Spider-Man 2099 movies maybe not before Venom, but certainly before they'd arrive at stuff like Morbius and Madame Web. Like, even if whatever they did with Morales and Spider-Man 2099 was clearly in another universe. Even that would surely be more profitable than either thing.

ZariusTwo

08-13-2022, 06:25 AM

Reported cast of characters and plot details

Dakota Johnson is Cassandra Web
Sydney Sweeney is Julia Carpenter
Celeste O’Connor is Mattie Franklin
Isabela Merced is Anya Corazon
Emma Roberts is playing Mary Parker

https://www.thecosmiccircus.com/exclusive-madame-web-cast-characters-confirmed/

Rumoured plot is Cassandra recruits female Spiders from across the Spider-Verse to travel back through time to prevent Peter Parker's mother Mary from being murdered by Spider-Totem hunter Ezekiel Simms before Peter can be born

Andrew NDB

08-21-2022, 11:21 PM

I really can't fathom who would want to be involved in a Sony Marvel movie that isn't Spider-Man. Did they not watch Venom 2 and Morbius before putting pen to paper? It's not going to be good.

Andrew NDB

09-16-2022, 06:23 PM

Bumped back into 2024 now:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-delays-kraven-garfield-web/

IMJ

09-16-2022, 06:45 PM

Worst concept and use of I.P. spinoff for a movie ever.

Sumac

09-17-2022, 03:02 AM

Bumped back into 2024 now:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-delays-kraven-garfield-web/
So most likely eliminated.
Good job, Sony! As always.

Andrew NDB

02-08-2023, 02:38 PM

oldmanwinters

02-08-2023, 02:40 PM

https://fandomwire.com/its-really-female-driven-emma-roberts-claims-madame-web-will-revolutionize-superhero-industry-dominated-by-masculinity/

"Really female driven" and "will revolutionize superhero industry dominated by masculinity."

Sure to flop harder than Morbius, in other words.

:tlol:

Revolutionize?

Didn't other movies already do that?

Maybe it would be more accurate to promote it as "Normalizing" a trend?

Sumac

02-09-2023, 12:12 PM

"Really female driven" and "will revolutionize superhero industry dominated by masculinity."
********.
How about instead of revolution you just make a good story?

ProphetofGanja

02-09-2023, 05:47 PM

I really can't fathom who would want to be involved in a Sony Marvel movie that isn't Spider-Man. Did they not watch Venom 2 and Morbius before putting paper to pen? It's not going to be good.

Some people's agents are getting fired :lol:

Andrew NDB

05-22-2023, 09:22 PM

They can't wait to show us the "powerhouse of badass females."

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/madame-web/madame-web-star-sydney-sweeney-says-she-cant-wait-for-the-world-to-see-powerhouse-of-badass-females-a203396#gs.0ef3.yxrdbt

Yeah. Flop.

ZariusTwo

11-15-2023, 08:08 AM

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IMJ

11-15-2023, 11:27 AM

Looks like something that will launch a new franchise of amazing story telling for wine moms and men who tell themselves that they are "enlightened". Just like the Marvels did!

-thumb's up-

The keys to the entire Spider-Man franchise and the best they can do is continue churning out movies about Spider-Man villains.

Coola Yagami

11-15-2023, 01:37 PM

ZtAlt2O_t28

Not gonna lie. Movie looks good. Other than mention of spiders and that weird evil spider-man symbiote looking dude, it could have just been it's own thing and I would have probably still watched it.

oldmanwinters

11-15-2023, 02:21 PM

I swear I'll never see the word "Madame" without thinking of the French teacher joke in Rocky V.

I never thought Sony would finally forge ahead with all these "Spider-fam" character movies that don't include Spider-man.

Andrew NDB

11-15-2023, 05:49 PM

Honestly, it looks interesting in a "wow, they really threw everything and the kitchen sink into the trailer" way. I wouldn't expect the level of quality to be anything superior to Morbius or Venom 2. Which is, to say, it'll be crap.

Barkworm

11-15-2023, 10:34 PM

Hahahaha, oh my god, is this for real? It looks absolutely f*cking hilarious in the most horrible way. And that main actress is as charismatic as a sea cucumber. Great work!

Andrew NDB

11-15-2023, 11:12 PM

If this flops -- and it will -- and Kraven flops -- which it will -- maybe Disney will be in a stronger negotiating place to finally buy back all the Spider-Man rights from Sony. And I'm really surprised Sony allowed Marvel to NOT let them use Spider-Man in their villain movies. That would be like the one thing that could have made them work. And again, we're getting a THIRD Venom movie with a Venom that hasn't even so much as crossed paths with Spider-Man? Preposterous.

Sumac

11-16-2023, 12:17 AM

Sony won't give rights up - they are too greedy for that.
Unless Gisnep outright buys them, they will clutch them to the end.

And I think its one of the few properties of theirs, which actually attracts some attention from people.

ZariusTwo

11-16-2023, 01:41 AM

The keys to the entire Spider-Man franchise and the best they can do is continue churning out movies about Spider-Man villains.

Madame Web isn't a villain. She's long been an ally of Spideys', she was a big deal in the 90s animated series, where she mentored Peter and moulded him into the champion of the multiverse

Barkworm

11-16-2023, 03:27 AM

Ooooh, it‘s that horrible actress from the Fifty Shades films! What a great fit for this trainwreck.

IMJ

11-16-2023, 10:38 AM

Madame Web isn't a villain. She's long been an ally of Spideys', she was a big deal in the 90s animated series, where she mentored Peter and moulded him into the champion of the multiverse

Ohhhh okay. Love Spider-Man but my Spidey collection pretty much runs ASM volume 1 #'s 298 - 400 and a few other outliers here or there. I don't know that I've ever read a Spidey book with Madame Web in it....

Either way this looks like another stretch-use of the I.P. for more "Spider-Man clones" on-film. No pun intended about the clone thing.... :lol:

Ooooh, it‘s that horrible actress from the Fifty Shades films! What a great fit for this trainwreck.

Be careful! The forum virtue-signalers will predict that this movie will do very well, just like Craptain Marvel 2! Don't want to be at odds with the opportunists by making any misstep in your communication that they can pounce on for their self-victory!

Coola Yagami

11-16-2023, 11:19 PM

I mean, I haven't seen the Fifty Shades movies, for obvious reasons, but she seemed good in this trailer. I have no real complaints. Just that it looks good enough to stand on its won without the 'not-Spider-Man' villain.

ZariusTwo

11-16-2023, 11:42 PM

Ohhhh okay. Love Spider-Man but my Spidey collection pretty much runs ASM volume 1 #'s 298 - 400 and a few other outliers here or there. I don't know that I've ever read a Spidey book with Madame Web in it....

She wasn't nearly as big of a deal in the comics when she was introduced prior to the animated series. In the books, se was very mysterious and ominous but didn't offer much in the way of enriching Peter as a character

Her most famous story from the period was "Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaught", an all time classic from Roger Stern, which actually deconstructs her whole shtick and turns her into a damsel in distress that Peter ultimately fails in protecting.

Andrew NDB

01-10-2024, 11:15 AM

Costume reveal:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/madame-web-final-costume-revealed/

IMJ

01-10-2024, 02:10 PM

It will make ten dollars at the box office and then the clowns here who didn't pay to see it will complain about how people are seeing "woke" everywhere they go and how this movie needed a shot.

Andrew NDB

01-10-2024, 02:12 PM

It will make ten dollars at the box office and then the clowns here who didn't pay to see it will complain about how people are seeing "woke" everywhere they go and how this movie needed a shot.

But if only we would just stop noticing, things would be so much better. Why does it bother you so much? Etc., etc., the usual playbook.

Andrew NDB

02-03-2024, 05:13 AM

And this is really surprising from Sony. Continuously. Here they have an opportunity to do things that Disney/Marvel wouldn't do or allow... i.e., get buried in DEI and other virtue signaling, and just do weird but provocative things that push the meter that you wouldn't dream of Disney/Marvel doing... and apparently -- instead -- this is something much worse than anything Disney/Marvel has put out of the MCU. Which has always been my complaint about stuff like Venom. Here Sony has this chance to dip their toe sort of into Marvel and do whatever they want... and they choose to do something super sanitized, and in this case even diving full bore into everything that made stuff like Birds of Prey and The Marvels fail... spectacularly.

Sumac

02-03-2024, 07:09 AM

Sony was always trying to be extra sanitized and generic.
They were never like early-MCU, which occasionally flirted with more extra ideas.

Basically, Sony's main motivation is not to make art, but to make money. They completely exclude any notion of creative process from equation, producing the most sanitized crap possible. They lucked with Raimi, but ruined his efforts and then ****ed up Webb and Garfield movies. If it was not for Marvel, I am sure third reboot of Spider-Man would have been a failure.

Sony is like opposite of Fox-men series.

frank_one

02-03-2024, 08:29 AM

Basically, Sony's main motivation is not to make art, but to make money.Are you serious?

neatoman

02-03-2024, 09:23 AM

Are you serious?

Maybe he is, not sure if he is but he might be.

Anyway, when it comes to the Spider-Man license, there is also the matter of maintaining that license. They know the possibility of losing it is always there, so sometimes, they will just make a movie at the lowest possible budget just to be sure Disney doesn't take over.

Sumac

02-03-2024, 09:53 AM

Are you serious?
Yeah, yeah, I made a funny. :lol:

What I should have said is that Sony doesn't really care about any artistic merit of their projects, unlike early-DC and early-Marvel. They just copypaste most used formulas and call it a day.

Autbot_Benz

02-13-2024, 09:56 AM

No surprise early reviews are coming out and shocker its another Sony Stinker

https://i.imgur.com/YQfYXZ9.png
https://i.imgur.com/9eaRBpD.png

Bahamut810

02-13-2024, 11:20 AM

No surprise early reviews are coming out and shocker its another Sony Stinker

https://i.imgur.com/YQfYXZ9.png
https://i.imgur.com/9eaRBpD.png

Apparently its been getting the 'empty theatre' treatment. I cant wait for the next Deadpool (who is crapping on these movies apparently) to blow everything out of the water.

Andrew NDB

02-13-2024, 11:31 AM

Everything Sony does on their own with Spider-verse stuff is truly baffling. Hopefully this wakes them up, but I doubt it.

Autbot_Benz

02-13-2024, 03:22 PM

16% on Rotten Tomatoes Damn

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/madame_web

IMJ

02-13-2024, 03:37 PM

Everything Sony does on their own with Spider-verse stuff is truly baffling. Hopefully this wakes them up, but I doubt it.

It's because they are grasping at straws over how well they handled Spider-Man back in the early 2000s. Basically to Sony it's a license in their portfolio to exploit and their evidence is "Raimi's Spider-Man". They are making exploitive decision to retain the license. Simple fact is that it would be hard enough to build a real "Universe" solely from Spider-Man family I.P.s, let alone build a universe that doesn't involve actual Spider-Man.

If they were smart they'd have churned out another Garfield flick immediately after No Way Home and put some supporting characters in it where if one of those gained traction then give them a movie. Instead they crap out these movies with awful end credits scene. The whole thing has become a parody of itself.

Andrew NDB

02-13-2024, 05:41 PM

If they were smart they'd have churned out another Garfield flick immediately after No Way Home and put some supporting characters in it where if one of those gained traction then give them a movie. Instead they crap out these movies with awful end credits scene. The whole thing has become a parody of itself.

Yeah, they could've easily revealed Garfield as the Venom/Morbius universe Spider-Man. It wouldn't have been much, but it would've been relatively exciting and would've utilized No Way Home as a suitable springboard. By now there'd already be posters with Garfield and Tom Hardy for Venom 3 or Amazing Spider-Man 3, and people would be going gaga.

There's got to be some super restrictive rights issue within whatever deal there is for Marvel Studios to be allowed to use Spider-Man. Like, as long as that deal is active, Sony can't do anything with any Spider-Man in a live action movie. It has to be.

TheCanadiandrome

02-14-2024, 09:24 PM

planning on seeing this Friday, i hope it's good

Andrew NDB

02-15-2024, 11:08 AM

i hope it's good

What are you, high?

IMJ

02-15-2024, 04:32 PM

Well it sounds like Earth's enormous misogyny population showed up for this one to buy the anti-tickets for it.

Where are the typical forum $#!(bags to go on about those misogynists? Because I'm sure they went and paid for this one, right?

robertfiduciary

02-15-2024, 06:03 PM

IMJ

02-15-2024, 06:42 PM

Have you possibly looked for "typical forum $#!(bags" in a mirror?

I'd be willing to wager you'd find at least one there.

Imagine being butthurt about a claim someone made about a movie (2023's Little Mermaid) in 2024.

Couldn't be me.

:lol:

Oh the typical irony of a sociopath leftist. Clearly that mirror you speak of fell on you, because you were compelled to respond with clear cope over realizing that you must be one of the forum $#!(bags rather than not being one.

Imagine being so deep in your losing cause that you have to go down kicking and screaming; and with increased anger each time because the loss is culturally-wide and coming on so badly. That's robert fiduciary - Dromer. Virtue-Signaler. Life-Angry. Champion-in-his-own-mind. Clown.

And yet I oppose you fairly openly. Because I'm right. But you? You're a coward hiding behind another forum alias as tightly as you can. What have you got if you were out in the open?

Robert Fiduciary - buggin' up that the "misogyny" manipulation doesn't work anymore, so he kicks up his tantrum a new notch.

robertfiduciary

02-15-2024, 06:57 PM

So you're super "witty" comeback was that you're rubber, and I'm glue? And that everything I say bounces off of you, and sticks back to me?

Got it. Sure wish I was as clever as... a kindergartener.

And full disclosure: I don't even know what "forum alias" is.

But you sure put me in my place!

Back to the circus with me, I guess.

:lol:

Oh the typical irony of a sociopath leftist. Clearly that mirror you speak of fell on you, because you were compelled to respond with clear cope over realizing that you must be one of the forum $#!(bags rather than not being one.

Imagine being so deep in your losing cause that you have to go down kicking and screaming; and with increased anger each time because the loss is culturally-wide and coming on so badly. That's robert fiduciary - Dromer. Virtue-Signaler. Life-Angry. Champion-in-his-own-mind. Clown.

And yet I oppose you fairly openly. Because I'm right. But you? You're a coward hiding behind another forum alias as tightly as you can. What have you got if you were out in the open?

Robert Fiduciary - buggin' up that the "misogyny" manipulation doesn't work anymore, so he kicks up his tantrum a new notch.

ZariusTwo

02-18-2024, 02:59 AM

Youtube reviewer Chris Stuckmann is taking heat for putting out a non-review video centred around Madame Web and trying to blame the studios exclisively for it's failings. Here's a vid talking about it.

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Andrew NDB

02-18-2024, 06:27 PM

neatoman

02-19-2024, 12:31 AM

Andrew NDB

02-20-2024, 12:22 PM

Well, I've seen the movie... I know the minimum budget Sony were allowed to set for a Spider-Man movie was 75 million in 2011, no idea what it is now but this thing made me seriously wonder if it had been lowered since then...

Apparently it was 100 million.

Here is a really infuriating fake takeaway from the movie:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-scraps-future-madame-web-plans/

“More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.

They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in The Marvels or Star Wars, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now.”

IMJ

02-20-2024, 12:37 PM

Well, I've seen the movie... I know the minimum budget Sony were allowed to set for a Spider-Man movie was 75 million in 2011, no idea what it is now but this thing made me seriously wonder if it had been lowered since then...

I haven't seen it but my understanding is that it's basically a "chase thriller". Those cost nothing to make - you and I could each get a business loan and get a street-level chase thriller made.

TheCanadiandrome

02-21-2024, 10:07 PM

What are you, high?

maybe, because i enjoyed it, as did the person i went with. for what it was, an origin story, i don't get people being pissed off about how the characters were portrayed, it's a f'n origin movie, wtf did ya'll expect, that they'd all have their powers and abilites and be established right off the bat? :-? :roll:

I haven't seen it but my understanding is that it's basically a "chase thriller". Those cost nothing to make - you and I could each get a business loan and get a street-level chase thriller made.

well there was a lot of chases yes :lol:

MikeandRaph87

03-06-2024, 05:20 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dakota-johnson-madame-blowback-ll-174345152.html

I found this article interesting. Johnson has decided to avoid taking roles in blockbuster due to studio interference changing what was presented before signing on and while not using the term Woke, emphasizes how audiences are frustrated and not wanting to be preached to by a cooperation, the audience considers a child that needs direction and molding, but the audience is smart and sees through the BS something the studios are going to have to understand or the Summer of Bombs will persist.

DarkFell

03-20-2024, 08:24 PM

** From The Spider-Man Ultimate Guide Book **

Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman #1) was exposed to radiation and eventually kidnapped by Hydra. She broke loose and took another path in life.

Julia Carpenter (Spider-Woman #2) participated in a government program that made people into super-heroes.

Martha "Mattie" Franklin (Spider-Woman #3) got her powers from some artifact and from participating in various ceremonies held by The Gathering Of Five.

** It's way too soon to mention Mayday Parker.

Since I'm not in any hurry to go see this movie, I still wonder if the events that brought the powers of the original three women were ever mentioned within the movie.

ZariusTwo

03-21-2024, 12:51 AM

Martha "Mattie" Franklin (Spider-Woman #3) got her powers from some artifact and from participating in various ceremonies held by The Gathering Of Five.

Mattie is also presently dead in the comics, she was killed in 2010 and briefly made a comeback as a clone in 2017 before dying again. She's not very popular.

DarkFell

03-21-2024, 12:11 PM

Ah, I didn't know about that. Thanks, mate!

I used to like Phil Urich and his uncle. (They found a Green Goblin weapon warehouse, and Phil fell into some goop that enhanced his strength without making him crazy like Norman Osborn was.)

Urich became the fourth Green Goblin before the editors put a stop to that. (That sucked because I liked the heroic Green Goblin idea.) When Phil came back, he was a complete wreck and he eventually became a Goblin-Knight..(?)

I take it that Phil's dead too.

KROW

03-21-2024, 09:45 PM

I used to like Phil Urich and his uncle. (They found a Green Goblin weapon warehouse, and Phil fell into some goop that enhanced his strength without making him crazy like Norman Osborn was.)

Urich became the fourth Green Goblin before the editors put a stop to that. (That sucked because I liked the heroic Green Goblin idea.) When Phil came back, he was a complete wreck and he eventually became a Goblin-Knight..(?)

I take it that Phil's dead too.

Me, too. Phil could've been the exception to the rule, but they killed him off due to him being addicted to being a Goblin and wanting power and glory too much. Personally, I think it was a dumb idea, but Marvel appears to be filled with a lot of those more often than not.