Governors sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities

[Andrew NDB]

Namely, DeSantis sending them straight to Martha's Vineyard and Kamala Harris' front yard:

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[Jester]

Is there a problem on the southern border? Yes.

Is it okay to use human beings as props in your little political game to "own the libs?" No.

This whole thing just comes off as petty and just another attempt to score political points with his base.

[IndigoErth]

Well what happened to ours?? Thought he was sending some to Biden's beach house? People were waiting to act and no plane showed up. :lol: Maybe someone told him there's no sanctuary city here and that where he was going to drop them at, the southern end, is the redder part of the state. :trazz: I'm completely sure that would have won some republican fans.

That said though, quite morally bankrupt to lie to people, leave them not even knowing where they've ended up, and use them as political pawns.


It's Texas's own border, I feel they have 100% right to control it, humanely and on their dime... We don't exactly tell them to get over here with shovels and replenish our beaches for us or defend us from Jersey drivers crossing over. Sure, we don't have that sort of border problem, but luck of the drawl when state territories were decided. No one stopping them from breaking off and then doing what they want.

[Leo656]

I know, I'm pretty hardline about illegal immigration but that is some absolute scummy sh*t to do to another human being. :lol: Like at least load 'em into a big slingshot (or trebuchet) and huck 'em back over into Guatemala or whatever so they're not all displaced and confused. Don't gotta be all "Get in the van, we have candy" about it, Jesus.

[Leo656]

We don't exactly tell them to get over here with shovels and replenish our beaches for us or defend us from Jersey drivers crossing over.

It's not OUR fault you f*ckers can't merge and if you're not comfortable taking a jughandle at 95mph GET THE F*CK OFF THE ROAD.

[IndigoErth]

Psh, it's a wonder you all even understand what the lines are for.

[Autbot_Benz]

It's Ron Desantis doing this he is pretty scummy himself

[Leo656]

Psh, it's a wonder you all even understand what the lines are for.

Suggestions, like everything else.

The NJ State Driver's Manual is one-page, large text. It reads, "Cop Didn't See It? I Didn't Do It." We ain't f*ckin' around over here, we got places to be dawg. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, I think it's wonderful. And these are all only people who sign up for this willingly (despite stories of this being unwilling), being told where they're being sent with maps and instructions of who to call and where they can go for this or that.

Meanwhile, border towns who are not sanctuary cities are just expected to absorb tens of thousands of illegal immigrants every few days? That's normal and fine and a good policy, but 50 illegal immigrants in Martha's Vineyard, that is a catastrophe and requires the National Guard to step in?

[The Deadman]

Is there a problem on the southern border? Yes.

Is it okay to use human beings as props in your little political game to "own the libs?" No.

This whole thing just comes off as petty and just another attempt to score political points with his base.

AOC literally went down to the border and staged a photoshoot where she grabbed a fence and pretended to cry, thus using those people as her own political game. It happens on both sides.

[ChosenOne]

This is why there'll never be a tax on hypocrisy: the left would go broke in under a week.

[IndigoErth]

Meanwhile, border towns who are not sanctuary cities are just expected to absorb tens of thousands of illegal immigrants every few days?
If they can waste tax dollars sending them elsewhere and mislead them... why didn't they trick them and send them home?

Or heck... use those tax dollars and their scheming nature to help them fix home so they'll want to stay and stop coming. It's weird how much money we'll throw elsewhere in the world but neighbors to the south are a mess and that causes people to keep showing up here, yet we shrug and won't attempt any aid that would also benefit us in the end.

[Andrew NDB]

If they can waste tax dollars sending them elsewhere and mislead them... why didn't they trick them and send them home?

Oh, that's an easy question. They can't send them home because that's illegal to do now (the options are: release them immediately, right there in Florida or Texas or wherever or send them to sanctuary cities which portend to have all the resources and support that incoming illegal immigrants would ever want or need). And there wasn't any misleading. That was made up.

Or heck... use those tax dollars and their scheming nature to help them fix home so they'll want to stay and stop coming.

I'm good with that, too, so long as there's a checks and balances of the money actually going to that. I seriously have doubts that's possible.

yet we shrug and won't attempt any aid that would also benefit us in the end.

There really isn't any way to throw money at and then solve the problems in Mexico. It's pretty much we go in with the military and root out the cartels city by city in concert with legitimate Mexican authorities (which is assuming we can spot which ones aren't already corrupted), or nothing is going to get better.

[Leo656]

Mexico's an irredeemable lost cause because of the cartels. Best-case scenario, someone razes the coca fields and napalms every known home and hideout of every cartel kingpin, military officer and government official down there, installs our own people and start over.

Of course, even that ultimately wouldn't work because "our own people" would just take over the traffic, anyway.

Ultimately, South America and the Middle East can never be saved, or redeemed, because the entire world runs on cocaine and heroin. That's the sad and ugly truth of it.

[Andrew NDB]

People tend to paint with too big of a brush when talking about places like Mexico, though. The cartels are a very huge, very real threat in large parts of the country, absolutely. But the entire country? Are you sure? Like the people coming from Mexico, claiming hardship because of one cartel or another. Mexico is a BIG country. We're supposed to believe there's not ONE town in the whole country that's pretty OK where they'd probably be alright? There isn't? Bullsh**.

Colombia, you'd think it was war-zone with cocaine smeared over all the bullethole infested walls if you just read the news and nothing else. I see the FB walls of my 20+ cousins and aunties over there in Bogota posting how awesome their lives are everyday, nary a single complaint. No drugs or scary stuff of any kind. Just dancing and exploring wilderness and family gatherings. That said, I'm sure there's areas of Colombia not like that, that are more like we would imagine.

Venezuela, that really is a sh**hole now, though. Total economic collapse -- go communism! Everyone I knew there is now in Ecuador or Mexico.

[CyberCubed]

Everything I learned about the cartels I learned from Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul. So I assume it's the same as you see on TV, the whole country is filled with thieves and murderers. Only the old women and children are innocent.

[Coola Yagami]

People tend to paint with too big of a brush when talking about places like Mexico, though. The cartels are a very huge, very real threat in large parts of the country, absolutely. But the entire country? Are you sure? Like the people coming from Mexico, claiming hardship because of one cartel or another. Mexico is a BIG country. We're supposed to believe there's not ONE town in the whole country that's pretty OK where they'd probably be alright? There isn't? Bullsh**.

Colombia, you'd think it was war-zone with cocaine smeared over all the bullethole infested walls if you just read the news and nothing else. I see the FB walls of my 20+ cousins and aunties over there in Bogota posting how awesome their lives are everyday, nary a single complaint. No drugs or scary stuff of any kind. Just dancing and exploring wilderness and family gatherings. That said, I'm sure there's areas of Colombia not like that, that are more like we would imagine.

Venezuela, that really is a sh**hole now, though. Total economic collapse -- go communism! Everyone I knew there is now in Ecuador or Mexico.

Eh, I'd say that until the cartels discovered my small town and made it hella dangerous. Rival members shooting each other in broad daylight, never mind the tourists that may or may not be in the way, body parts found in car trunks, etc.

While I left Mexico for personal reasons, it was just in time. The cartels were moving in, murders started racking up in our small sleepy town and cops quit or retired in droves because they were more equipped to deal with the town drunks, stoner teens and domestic dispute rather than actual big bad guys with military grade weapons. They had to bring in out of town guys to somewhat deal with them.

Other than expenses, it's one reason I don't think I'll ever return there, and it's said cause my folks are buried there.

[Jester]

AOC literally went down to the border and staged a photoshoot where she grabbed a fence and pretended to cry, thus using those people as her own political game. It happens on both sides.

Very true that's why I have no use for any politician Republican Democrat conservative or liberal I'm done

[mrmaczaps]

Biden did this repeatedly in the dead of the night... so, its just fine thing to do because he did it.


In theory, its funny AF. In practice, it just helps the tyrants/democrats/traitors to this nation help fvck over cities that cannot help the people who already live there and adds to the homeless populations.

Its all going according to the plan: NWO.

[Coola Yagami]

Biden did this repeatedly in the dead of the night... so, its just fine thing to do because he did it.



When Biden does it it's ok, he's the good guy here. And if he caught doing something shady... um... at least it's not Trump right?

It all makes sense now. Make Trump so big of a pariah that no matter what **** the next guy does (in this case Biden), people can just ignore it and say 'at least it's not Trump'.

[mrmaczaps]

When Biden does it it's ok, he's the good guy here. And if he caught doing something shady... um... at least it's not Trump right?

It all makes sense now. Make Trump so big of a pariah that no matter what **** the next guy does (in this case Biden), people can just ignore it and say 'at least it's not Trump'.

If not for double standards, the lunatic left wouldn't have any at all.

[AquaParade]

Calling this a stunt doesn’t make it bad. Sometimes you need to make a point.

[Vegita-San]

Calling this a stunt doesn’t make it bad. Sometimes you need to make a point.

that the so called 'sanctuary cities' are full of virtue signaling nonsense. fl and texas called them on their bluff.

[AquaParade]

that the so called 'sanctuary cities' are full of virtue signaling nonsense. fl and texas called them on their bluff.

Yes, 100%.

The Left preaches to these people for their votes and nothing more.

[Leo656]

And the Right does nothing but whip up hysteria among the Bible-thumpers, it's all the same sh*t it's just a matter of whether you prefer your trash in a red can or a blue one.

Real Life exists in between polar extremes, but current-day politics is nothing BUT polar extremes and that's why things are only gonna get worse and not better. "YOU guys are Satan!" "No, YOU!" It's stupid. And so is anyone who sincerely thinks "their side" are the good guys.

When the cameras are off, these suits all go to the same coke-and-hookers parties. They're not really enemies, they don't believe in any of the sh*t they say they do, they don't practice the same values they insist other people live by under their legislation... it's like watching pro wrestling, these people are playing characters and if you think it's sincere you're an ignorant redneck, end of story. It's all about manipulating emotions to trigger a response.

2022 and we STILL need to point this out to people, that's what drives me crazy. Nobody in the 1% is your friend and it doesn't matter whether they wear a red tie or a blue one. It's f*cking theater, it's show biz. Jesus.

[ChosenOne]

There he goes again about the Bible and religion even though no one brought it up. Telling.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, the sentiment isn't entirely wrong. The Republican party invariably brings religion into things sooner or later when it really doesn't need to and keeps killing any chance of changing minds. Republicans could talk about anything that centrists might agree with about the border, about taxes, or how children shouldn't be mutilated and transed... but as soon as it becomes "And this is against God!" then to anyone who is a "hard atheist" they are now a crazy person (or at the very least suffering from delusion) and anything they said prior to that, even if it got through to them, is now invalidated.

Which is not to say that Republicans need to not be religious, it is to say them bringing religion into their rhetoric hasn't and isn't going to help them reach across the aisle. Which is what they really should be trying to do.

[Leo656]

There he goes again about the Bible and religion even though no one brought it up. Telling.

It's concrete proof of who the Stupidest People are.

God has nothing to do with Religion. "Christians" don't read the Bible. They spew their own bigotry and claim "That's what God told them to think." Except when you pop that book open and disprove it. Then they screech and say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!" even when it literally says in black and white that they're wrong.

There might be a God, and I allow for that possibility. But anyone who practices organized religion of any kind is a Provable F*cking Moron and they're too dumb to have any say in anything, let alone force people to fall in lockstep behind them. Religion Is A Cult. I can say it louder if you like. The fact that you've apparently been indoctrinated into said cult doesn't change the fact that it IS, in fact, a cult, Kirstie Alley.

The Republican Party of Right Now is nothing but the Christian Taliban. They weasel their way into people's favor by promising "small government" and then they flip flop and demand that their values become Everyone's Values. You have idiots like Boebert screeching about "The U.S. SHOULD be a Christian Nationalist country!" when freedom of religion (and also FROM religion) was THE predominant principle this country was founded on in the first place. They're a scam. "Small government", but they wanna criminalize gay marriage and ban contraceptives, because "The Bible" says those things are bad. :roll: AND IT DOESN'T EVEN ACTUALLY SAY THAT! :lol: "Religious" people literally just make sh*t up, it's lunacy. If people wanna be bigots, they can do so on their own time, not try and make bigotry National Policy.

I have just as much to say about how retarded hardline Democrats are - and OH BOY are they - but at LEAST most Liberals have the good sense to be Agnostic, if not outright Atheist. They don't hold their entire value system on what they *think* they read once upon a time in a fairy-tale book.

Seriously, can anyone who actually practices ANY religion go ahead and put me on Block/Ignore already? I don't really like being confronted with that kind if stupidity. I'm not saying "people who believe in God", that's fine. I mean Religion, which is a Cult. I can tolerate people who say "I believe in God but it's more of a personal thing." I cannot and will not tolerate people who say "I am a (Insert Religion Here)." I don't willingly engage with openly ignorant people who wear ignorance on their sleeve like a badge.

I mean c'mon, I'm being "scolded" by someone from f*cking Portugal, which jokes aside, has the notoriety of being both incredibly Christian and incredibly under-educated, according to Google. Funny, that's how it works over here, too! :lol: The more Bibles there are in any one place, the dumber people are, like Texas and Mississippi. It's literally 1:1. Gimme a f*cking break. Only very stupid people get their values from fairy tales, past the age of 5. Grow up.

I didn't make it a rule that "All Religious People Are Morons" but it IS an easily-proven fact, so if you take issue with it, maybe try reading Actual Books once in a while and shake off the indoctrination. Just a thought. I know you won't, but at least I can say I tried. :lol:

[Leo656]

Well, the sentiment isn't entirely wrong. The Republican party invariably brings religion into things sooner or later when it really doesn't need to and keeps killing any chance of changing minds. Republicans could talk about anything that centrists might agree with about the border, about taxes, or how children shouldn't be mutilated and transed... but as soon as it becomes "And this is against God!" then to anyone who is a "hard atheist" they are now a crazy person (or at the very least suffering from delusion) and anything they said prior to that, even if it got through to them, is now invalidated.

Which is not to say that Republicans need to not be religious, it is to say them bringing religion into their rhetoric hasn't and isn't going to help them reach across the aisle. Which is what they really should be trying to do.

100%.

I agree with Conservatives about a great many things. But when they start playing the whole "God Empowered Me!" game I know for a fact I'm listening to a f*cking lunatic.

They're in my own family, too. I've mentioned this before, my niece insists she's got it all figured out. "God hates _________." Pop open a Bible, show her where it either says the OPPOSITE of what she believes, or nothing at all, and she flips out. :lol: Even her mother thinks she's an idiot, and her mother is also Catholic. She just also knows a cult when she sees one.

I'm of the mind that God is a possibility but he's not the one in any books, and he probably hates those people for all the sh*t they do and say in his name.

[Andrew NDB]

I have just as much to say about how retarded hardline Democrats are - and OH BOY are they - but at LEAST most Liberals have the good sense to be Agnostic, if not outright Atheist. They don't hold their entire value system on what they *think* they read once upon a time in a fairy-tale book.

And look where that's gotten them.

Yikes. And more yikes.

[Leo656]

Only the Lunatic Fringe, just like the Right. All Extremists Are Lunatics.

I've got tons of Conservative friends/family and tons of Liberal friends/family, and none of them can understand just where the extremists in their own party came from or why they believe the nonsense they believe. Most Liberals I know think talking to 5-year olds about being trans is retarded and wrong. Most Conservatives I know have no problem with abortion or gay people or non-whites. In Real Life, MOST people are centrists who lean a little bit one way or the other, such as myself.

The problem is, right now only the extremists have the mic and they're the ones who can set policy. Polls show that MOST people on either "side" feel like they don't even recognize their own political party anymore and are worried about the future if things stay on course. "These people no longer represent my values." That's real, and it's how most people feel no matter what their political persuasion. But nobody "up top" is listening, they're too busy whipping up a feeding frenzy.

[Vegita-San]

Fun fact. the Bible was most likely written by a homeless person on the street looking for a better life for himself.

I tend to be conservative. Convince me with a good argument that it's a good idea, maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe I won't. but you can't just s ay 'mu feelings' and expect a positive response.

I sometimes think Republicans bring up religion to antagonize the opposition. with them distracted over nonsense, better chance of getting things past them

[Andrew NDB]

Only the Lunatic Fringe, just like the Right. All Extremists Are Lunatics.

Call them the fringe all you want. Meanwhile they're busy re-writing school textbooks, still bringing in the drag queens into the classrooms and changing real policies in the most horrible ways. The right isn't doing anything like that.

[Leo656]

Fun fact. the Bible was most likely written by a homeless person on the street looking for a better life for himself.

I tend to be conservative. Convince me with a good argument that it's a good idea, maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe I won't. but you can't just s ay 'mu feelings' and expect a positive response.

I sometimes think Republicans bring up religion to antagonize the opposition. with them distracted over nonsense, better chance of getting things past them

100%. They recognize that those people are very easily persuaded and won't do a lot of fact-checking. They have their own preexisting beliefs, and they willingly fall in lockstep behind anyone who will loudly claim to feel exactly the same way. "Religious" people are incredibly easy to manipulate and exploit, because they are ignorant and proud of it; just look at Scientology, and how many otherwise-rational people fall into THAT cult. "They got me to stop doing drugs!" Yeah, so does any reputable rehab center, OR you can just not do drugs to begin with, it doesn't mean these people have divine powers, for f*cks' sake. But people fall for it!

Republicans used to have other things they could trumpet, but now all they have is the whole "We were chosen by God!" thing, and most of them don't even believe it, or at least they don't live it. So many of them scream "family values" while cheating on their wives with any number of mistresses. It'd be funny if it wasn't disgusting.

I'm pretty much conservative with regard to matters of economics and immigration and liberal on many social issues. I don't care who marries who or who's f*cking who and I don't think it's anybody's business. Some of my beliefs are VERY right-leaning, such as we really ought to give drug dealers the death penalty, and furthermore, those executions should be public as a deterrent. In fact, all executions should be; worked "back in the day". But there are plenty of things I'm much more liberal about, like if you sincerely hate gay people in 2022 I think you need f*cking therapy.

Real Life isn't black or white (or Red or Blue). It's all shades of gray, or "purple" as the case may be. That's why "down the line" people who only vote by Party rather than on specific issues drive me crazy. Being a "Republican" or "Democrat" doesn't make anyone a good person, and in fact, it's just one more religion, another label to divide people.

[Leo656]

Call them the fringe all you want. Meanwhile they're busy re-writing school textbooks, still bringing in the drag queens into the classrooms and changing real policies in the most horrible ways. The right isn't doing anything like that.

It's SUCH a small percentage of their party, though.

A poll I read the other day said that as many as 70-80% of ALL American adults are against "drag queen story hour" and "pushing gay/trans on kids". Those numbers suggest that most Liberals think it's bullsh*t, too, just like you. They're afraid to speak out about how they really feel because they don't want to be "J.K. Rowling'ed".

From the flip side, those same polls ALSO say that most Republicans ae NOT in favor of banning those "questionable" books from schools, for example, they just don't want kids younger than a certain age to have access to them. But just like the Liberals who are against Drag Queen Story Hour, they stay quiet because they don't want to become pariahs among "their own group". Neither party allows for anyone to take a moderate position anymore, but most people don't like that.

Most conservatives AND liberals in this country feel like the politicians holding the mic for their party are taking things way too far. So it's disingenuous to say only one side is being nutty when the common rabble universally feels under-represented across the board. Most conservatives are against book-banning. Most liberals think 5 is too young for Sex Ed of any kind. The only people pushing for those things are lunatics. And "being a lunatic" holds NO political affiliation, it's a mental disorder that exists independently of other labels.

[Mayhem]

You have idiots like Boebert screeching about "The U.S. SHOULD be a Christian Nationalist country!" when freedom of religion (and also FROM religion) was THE predominant principle this country was founded on in the first place.
Everything else about the post this section comes from I absolutely agree with, but I have to pull you up about this. Nothing has changed in 400 years, that’s the sad truth. The reason those people left England on ships such as the Mayflower and landed in “the new world” in 1620 wasn’t because they were being persecuted for their religion. It was because the government of the time under James I outlawed their prejudices and religious persecution of others, including punishment and torture. They literally left because they weren’t allowed to do what is happening right now, and has for centuries before, demonise others for not being Christian enough, or Christian at all.

[IndigoErth]

Everything else about the post this section comes from I absolutely agree with, but I have to pull you up about this. Nothing has changed in 400 years, that’s the sad truth. The reason those people left England on ships such as the Mayflower and landed in “the new world” in 1620 wasn’t because they were being persecuted for their religion. It was because the government of the time under James I outlawed their prejudices and religious persecution of others, including punishment and torture. They literally left because they weren’t allowed to do what is happening right now, and has for centuries before, demonise others for not being Christian enough, or Christian at all.
You can have them back now?

[Leo656]

That's very interesting if true, as Over Here they teach you the opposite. From pretty much First Grade on, they teach in American History that the Church of England was oppressive and archaic and that more free-spirited people uprooted and came over here so they could be as religious or not as they felt like. They illustrate this by pointing out what a melting pot of religions and independent beliefs modern America is, and how this isn't something you see anywhere else in the world because everywhere else is so much less tolerant.

I can see how what you say could also be true, though, and it would definitely explain a lot. I'm just saying that must be one of those things "America" as an entity is very deeply ashamed of, because from Age 6 they tell you this country was founded by settlers who didn't want to be locked into any one belief system at all.

Very interesting. I guess it's one of those things where later on they figured out how things "should" be regarding freedom of religion, and they just pretend the "Early Installment Weirdness" didn't happen. :lol:

Regardless, by the time of the drafting of the Constitution it was pretty well-decided that there should be no Official State Religion and that's the way it's supposed to be. People who want America to be a "Christian Nationalist Nation" are plain and simply anti-American.

[AquaParade]

Both the left and right have gone nuts but more so the left as of late. It doesn’t help that they seem to have 90% of mainstream media and Hollywood on their side. That’s what makes it worth pointing out.

It’s weird that people are so quick to call out Fox but not to the same degree as CNN. At least until recently, imo. Anecdotal, but that’s what I’ve seen.

[Leo656]

I disagree the Left is "worse". They're not the ones saying every woman who goes to the hospital for a miscarriage should get the Spanish inquisition, or that gay people can't get married, or that pharmacies shouldn't have to sell you condoms if they take personal exception to it, or that pregnant women shouldn't be allowed to travel out of state, or...

The Left is "worse" if you REALLY hate gay/trans people and think your kid being exposed to them will "make them catch teh gay", but I'd argue that right now the Right is more offsides about things that Actually Matter. As in "bigger problems than a black mermaid."

Y'all know I rail HARD against the Left about force-feeding people "identity politics" and how they used the pandemic as a tool to garner favor, and sh*t like that. But I think when you have "fire and brimstone" people on the Right talking openly about taking over the entire government and "f*ck anyone who isn't wearing a crucifix" I think the pendulum has swing too far the other way, and I think those things have more serious consequences for a lot more people, in general.

Basically, as of Right Now, I think the Dumb Sh*t the Right is saying/doing is worse than the Dumb Sh*t the Left is saying/doing. That tends to shift, as last year it was the opposite. Nothing is ever concrete.

[ChosenOne]

You misunderstand, I'm not saying you're wrong - even though conservative doesn't necessarily mean religious, myself being an atheist - but that it's ludicrous, or at least bizarre, to consistently bring up religion when no one else here does or uses that argument. Not that I've seen. You sound like you're tilting at a very particular windmill that pisses you off. It's entirely your prerogative, of course, but it's odd. Just... Odd. These are not the nerds you're looking for.

Also, seriously? Portugal hasn't been anything like that old stereotype since at least ten years before I was born. I can guarantee you any one single state in the South is more religious today than my entire country has been in the last four decades combined. Come visit if you like, see for yourself. (Yes, I do have rooms for rent, why do you ask?)

[Andrew NDB]

Let's do a little tally of the "bad" things each party is up to.

Democrat Party: Indoctrinating kids in schools into controversial alternative lifestyles. Normalizing things like drag queens to very young kids and wanting to parade them in front of them (in multiple states now). Bringing forth efforts to allow and even encourage confused pre-16 year olds to get their breasts carved off, onto hormones and puberty blockers (this is already happening) and then taking kids away from parents who aren't cool with that. Reducing standards in school testing so that failing students get pushed through prematurely. The resurrection of affirmative action in ESG-based programs, giving opportunities and career paths to people based on their skin color, not any kind of merit. Pushing Critical Race Theory being taught in schools. Radically going after the 2nd Amendment. Very interested in getting "hate speech" into legislation so that they can readily circumvent the 1st Amendment. The stranding thousands of Americans in Afghanistan, which indirectly gave Putin the only encouragement he needed to begin the Ukraine invasion (basically, surrendering in one "war" and creating another one). Attempting to use power they didn't have to mandate vaccines that don't do what they say they do (I'm not saying they don't work at all). Trying to bend the world to its will by controlling the language (this is how you arrive at things like "latinx" and how "sexual reassignment surgery" quietly became "gender confirmation surgery," to name just one example). The weaponization of the arts and intentional misrepresentation (over-representation) of racial groups and LGBTQ in films, TV, comics, video games with a clear redirection from an emphasis on story or character to "identity" (and creating an incentive structure around that). Shrinking the military even as we have an increasing bullseye on our heads. Reducing standards in the military to allow for 90 pound women to do the same roles as 200 pound men on the battlefield. Pushing green policies that don't make any sense and punish people with measures that won't actually make any meaningful difference in environmental conditions. Removing the country's self-reliance in getting oil. Openly taking measures to defund the police, with an undercurrent of actually wanting to abolish the police. Going soft on criminals, letting repeat offenders back onto the streets who keep getting thrown back in over and over again (even murderers being let out and going back to murdering). Pursuing a continuance of pre-COVID special, emergency voting regulations despite nobody and no group saying they had any problem getting their vote in without it. Allowing and encouraging the BLM riots, calling for the bailout of the criminals in the crime wave that ensued. Actively inciting a race war by insisting systemic racism exists and is prevalent in everything in the country, thereby dividing the country in a way not seen in decades. A blatantly open borders policy, allowing illegal immigrants into the country by a rate of about 10,000 per day.

Republican Party: OK, sure, they went after abortion on a federal level and that's dumb. Yes, occasionally there are Republican leaders who talk about God when they shouldn't.

I in no way see how it's remotely close. Democrats are directly and implicitly harming society on just about every level, right now. Not hypothetically, not maybe in the future. Right now and clearly, plainly for all to see.

[Leo656]

Put simply, in the United States the most outspokenly "conservative" people are also the most devoutly Bible-thumping. It's nearly 1:1. You're not from here, Chosen, so perhaps it's not something you're as strongly aware of. This is why "conservatives" and "religious nuts" get lumped together so easily and frequently. They really are one and the same almost always, over here.

You don't find too many people in this country screaming "KILL THE GAYS!" unless they're wearing a crucifix, for example. Or talking about how "women should just keep their legs crossed" or who can and can't get married or whether mixed-race couples are immoral or who a bakery Can and Can't deny service to. Those aren't just "conservative viewpoints", in America they are OVERWHELMINGLY "Conservative Christian Viewpoints". Agnostic Conservatives - and they do exist - typically don't care about ANY of those things, and are "conservative" for tax- and immigration-related reasons. Most Republicans I know in Real Life? ALL they care about is tax rates and curbing illegal immigration because that is an economic issue as well even if people spin it as a social one. But the "fire and brimstone" Republicans are LOUD, and they present the impression that there are no "moderate conservatives". The ultra-religious ones make ALL of them look bad, because they're absolute nutbars.

And it becomes an issue because the Devout can't leave the Agnostic be. They just can't. Even within my own family, it's mostly Catholic, but "shades" of Catholic. On my mother's side, it's mostly people who vote Democrat, but they're also Catholic. On my father's side? "You CAN'T be a Catholic and a Democrat, you simply can't! It's forbidden! You're going to Hell!" So it becomes an issue even between people who share the same general religious beliefs.

Put simply, if a person is going on a forum or a comments section and repeatedly screaming "Keep your disgusting gay lifestyle to yourself", they're 100% wearing a crucifix. If they care more about keeping women from getting abortions than they do keeping guns out of schools, they're always carrying a Bible. Otherwise, they'd just nod and keep their opinion to themselves, OR say it once and move on. The ones who get on the "YOU SICK PEDO PIG YOU'RE GONNA BURN IN HELL FOR BEING GAY ALL HAIL KING TRUMP" rants and make it a full-time job are Religious Whackos 100% of the time.

Mileage may vary in other parts of the world. I don't live there, I live Here. Google fills me in on the rest but I admit Google-Fu is not a precise science. In the good ol' USA, though, "conservative" in the general sense really does imply "Bible-thumper". If for no other reason than they are the most aggressive sub-section of the party. They have the numbers and are also the most vocal. Those are simply facts.
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Andrew, you care more about keeping gay/trans people away from small children than about keeping speeding bullets away from small children. Forgive me, while I share your general feelings about the subject of Drag Queen Story Hour and "trans sex ed for kids" that is in NO way comparable and in no way "doing more harm to more people" than subjecting pregnant women to police investigations and banning contraceptives and outlawing gay marriage. And the Religious Right DOES want those things to happen and is also taking steps to ensure that it happens.

They also lied about "letting the states decide" about "certain issues", because once "the states" voted the way the Republican politicians did not want them too, NOW they say "It's too big an issue, we can't allow them to vote, we're just going to tell you how it is and then you deal with it."

So, they lied. "States Rights" is bullsh*t anyway on its face, but they absolutely lied. That was just some sh*t they said to buy time until they could amass enough power to enforce their policy on a federal level. That was always the endgame, don't pretend otherwise. They never had ANY intention of letting the citizens of those states vote on that or ANY issue they felt might not go the way they wanted.

It's like Carlin said: "If voting mattered, they'd never let us do it." Well, now that they know how people would actually vote if left up to them, suddenly the Republicans don't want to let them vote. How convenient. :roll:

You're also ignoring that I pointed out earlier, according to polls most voting Democrats don't want gay/trans sex ed for young kids, either. It is ONLY the most extreme and crazy people who want that, and most Democrat voters agree that's too far. Just like most voting Republicans think we ought to have stricter background checks for people who buy guns, for example.

You keep saying "The Left" and "The Right" as if either side is a hivemind. They're not. I admit I do my fair share of generalizing but I'm actually trying to have a serious conversation right now and the fact is most people who actually vote don't agree with the more extreme positions on either side of the aisle.

I also wanna know, sincerely, why gay/trans stuff is your Hot Button. Like it's the ONLY political thing I see you get SO fired up about. You say it's just about "young kids in school" but I've known you long enough to have seen you say enough to suggest you just really don't like those people, period. Not trying to put you on the spot or anything, just saying, I notice this is SUPER important to you and I have questions. I sincerely think there are much bigger issues going on in the world than that. And I say that while mostly agreeing with you on the matter as relates to schools. I'm just saying I think for you it's a much deeper issue, based on how you present.

[ChosenOne]

Half my family's American. Way to assume.

This isn't the 1950s anymore. Just as many conservatives aren't religious as those who are. And they're entirely capable of arguing against abortion without ever once quoting the Bible or whatever stereotype you subscribe to, like I have, while also being responsible enough to argue in favor of and use contraception, like I do. You're just biased and/or conditioned to only hear the vocal minority spewing their inane beliefs.

[Leo656]

And I have family in Ireland and Poland, I don't pretend to know sh*t about what happens over there just because I get a postcard or a FB message.

Put simply, if your feet aren't the ones on the ground, you can Assume what goes on in a place but you don't Know.

Believe me, I hear more about "What NJ is like" from people who have never been here and never will. You don't know dick about a place unless you physically exist in that place.

[IndigoErth]

Most western countries look at their conservatives then at our conservatives and be like...

https://i.imgur.com/HWAq4h6.gif

because they're absolute nutbars.
https://i.imgur.com/NX59E2m.jpg

[ChosenOne]

And I have family in Ireland and Poland, I don't pretend to know sh*t about what happens over there just because I get a postcard or a FB message.

Put simply, if your feet aren't the ones on the ground, you can Assume what goes on in a place but you don't Know.

Believe me, I hear more about "What NJ is like" from people who have never been here and never will. You don't know dick about a place unless you physically exist in that place.

Sigh... I'm starting to figure you out. Man, what a letdown. Never meet your heroes, they say.

Tilt away at those windmills, sir knight. Tilt away.

[Leo656]

Most western countries look at their conservatives then at our conservatives and be like...


Except Italy, they're about to elect Female Hitler apparently. :lol: Like literally.

That's why you have to cut the nuts off this sh*t before it festers and the rot spreads. Same rhetoric. "Evil foreigners" and "ungodly values" and "immoral wickedness" and "We Are The Righteous" and blah blah blah. Next thing you know your political "leaders" are outspokenly being racist and your party members are saying Hitler had the right idea (this refers to someone in the Italian conservative party who was very recently removed for saying exactly that, but their name escapes me right now).

[Leo656]

Sigh... I'm starting to figure you out. Man, what a letdown. Never meet your heroes, they say.

Tilt away at those windmills, sir knight. Tilt away.

I "figured you out" a while ago. I was your "hero" when I was making jokes at trans peoples' expense and being outspoken about how sh*tty Campbell's writing is. :lol: That was it and that was all. You "liked" me because I was/am outspokenly "insensitive" to trans people and you found it amusing.

My views on that topic haven't changed, incidentally. BUT. I will forevermore be suspicious of anyone who immediately sends me a Friend request for Those Reasons. If someone ever sends me a Request within 5 seconds of me saying "A guy in a dress still isn't a woman", I now know enough to ignore it because those people find me amusing for ALL the wrong reasons and I don't want their support.

You weren't the only one, though.

[IndigoErth]

Except Italy, they're about to elect Female Hitler apparently. :lol: Like literally.

That's why you have to cut the nuts off this sh*t before it festers and the rot spreads. Same rhetoric. "Evil foreigners" and "ungodly values" and "immoral wickedness" and "We Are The Righteous" and blah blah blah. Next thing you know your political "leaders" are outspokenly being racist and your party members are saying Hitler had the right idea (this refers to someone in the Italian conservative party who was very recently removed for saying exactly that, but their name escapes me right now).
:teek: Eek! Guess we next get to watch Italy play this game...

[ChosenOne]

I "figured you out" a while ago. I was your "hero" when I was making jokes at trans peoples' expense and being outspoken about how sh*tty Campbell's writing is. :lol: That was it and that was all. You "liked" me because I was/am outspokenly "insensitive" to trans people and you found it amusing.

My views on that topic haven't changed, incidentally. BUT. I will forevermore be suspicious of anyone who immediately sends me a Friend request for Those Reasons. If someone ever sends me a Request within 5 seconds of me saying "A guy in a dress still isn't a woman", I now know enough to ignore it because those people find me amusing for ALL the wrong reasons and I don't want their support.

You weren't the only one, though.

Back then I found your antics amusing, like a pet or a court jester. Sadly the edginess and abrasiveness is all you have.

[Leo656]

Those were the only posts you ever even commented on. :lol: C'mon. You found my "transphobia" amusing and then you discovered we actually have very little in common otherwise.

That's 100% on you, buddy! I'unno what else to tell ya.

[ChosenOne]

Those were the only posts you ever even commented on. :lol: C'mon. You found my "transphobia" amusing and then you discovered we actually have very little in common otherwise.

That's 100% on you, buddy! I'unno what else to tell ya.

No, I found your wit amusing. That said wit was only ever brought out by transphobic remarks is on you. It was never my expectation that we be a perfect match in every aspect, is that a requirement for two people to interact? Were you hoping I'd propose to you or something? So weird.

[ChosenOne]

And you're missing my point tonight entirely. I even agree with you regarding religion, all I said is that maybe you should save that counterpoint for when someone brings up, y'know, the point. Not an ureasonable suggestion, methinks.

[Cowabung-Gal]

“I think that I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and bites you in the @$$!”

It’s like that time when Jenny Durkan sang about how great and wonderful the “Summer Of Love” was…then she changed her tune after all that “love” suddenly showed up in front of her house. :lol:

[Leo656]

And you're missing my point tonight entirely. I even agree with you regarding religion, all I said is that maybe you should save that counterpoint for when someone brings up, y'know, the point. Not an ureasonable suggestion, methinks.

No, that isn't how I like to operate. I always cast a wide net on purpose and if you paid attention you'd realize that. It's the same reason I preemptively shut down people's nonsense counterpoints before they even bring them up; it saves time. Regardless of topic, when I speak I've already considered the opposing opinion and discarded it as being without merit. If I bring it up and tear it apart before they get a chance to bring it up, it's simply more efficient that way.

And to reiterate my point that you're SO hung up on: Most bigots are religious, man. Or at least, they like to hide behind religion as an excuse to hate and oppress women, non-whites, and gay people. You apparently like to hold yourself up as an example of how people can still be bigoted but not have a religious crutch. Okay? You're still outnumbered. I didn't make the rules, I just report. Congratulations on your hatred of women and not-straight people despite apparently not being a cult member. It's still a sh*tty way to be, and you're still a statistical minority because Most Bigots Are In Fact Religious Conservatives.

I have 1% more respect for you because your bigotry is at least honest and you don't pretend "God" told you to feel that way. That does not change the fact that that's the line MOST people who hold those views like to hide behind, sorry. "I don't hate gays/minorities/women, but GOD is pretty clear about it and I try not to make him mad!" That's what most of them say. You have the same internet I do, click around and see it for yourself. Or better yet, take a plane to the Carolinas and see/hear it out loud in real time.

I mean, religious people didn't necessarily invent being a closed-minded bigoted asshole. But they definitely perfected it and make it a point to get the most practice at it. Whattya want me to do, lie? Nah.

[ChosenOne]

Once again, way to assume something about me that's just not true. You'll forgive me if I don't go detail about what it was, but I genuinely chuckled. You always think you know people, huh? Must be nice to feel so righteous.

And you seem to equate being conservative with being a bigot. Ironically, that makes you the bigot.

So you lay down your views preemptively. Okay. But what if the people who need that verbal smacking don't happen to read it equally ahead of time? Therein lies the snag.

[Andrew NDB]

Let me try this another way.

Me? What do I care about, and what have I cared about most in the day-to-day mostly my whole childhood into adult life? The answer is entertainment. Comics. Movies. TV shows. Video games. Also, the dream that I might one day be in that pool of people making that stuff. Maybe a little too much? Sure. Guilty as charged.

Still with me? Now, who are the people firmly within the party that has co-opted and controls whole swaths of that, contorting it into ridiculous shells of its former self in the name of "progressive" movements and made up identity politics?

Now, also me. As a parent (and I do cringe a little even saying that, as the CDC lady did that a year ago with "as a mother, I have a bad feeling mass deaths are going to happen" and she was, of course, wrong... but this isn't about feelings) I understand this component is alien to people who aren't interested in being parents. Who are the people trying to warp kids and take away kids from parents not OK with the latest week's currently pushed agenda?

The Democrat party. And while I have strong feelings about illegal immigration (particularly as a direct byproduct of that my mother being processed legally and correctly after much strife from Colombia), defunding of police, showing weakness worldwide and causing new wars as a result, and most especially the Democrat party trying their best to split the country in two racially and otherwise/othering anyone who doesn't agree with their radical agenda... those are the two big ones for me. Now it's too close to home, for me. Republicans want to save potential lives via stopping abortions? Personally I say snuff them out, if the parents don't want to be parents. Best thing that could happen to those potential lives. But I don't care. All I say is, at least their cause makes logical sense and is coming from a genuinely good place. Is saving a perceived life a bad thing, as a cause? Compared to drag queen hour? What are you talking about? Everything I see emanating from the Democrat side is coming from some sick patch of narcissism.

To circle back? Guess what I have now the least interest in being involved in, after chasing an entertainment career since about the 4th grade? Entertainment. The Democrat party has scorched the earth there. Salted it. Made it radioactive until a hypothetical new generation makes it not. It's sad. Not in a "Feel sorry for me" sad, but in general, for the people I'm sure were of generally like minds that just wanted to make the best stories to entertain people and hone their craft. Because that's the fun part. But the fun has been completely removed from the entertainment industry unless you are independently wealthy. I used to dream about working at DC or Marvel! Now, as a result of the Democrat party and their influence... guess how much I'm interested in working there? None! I know, big surprise. Because I'd get maybe two issues into writing Superman or Batman before someone tweets a post from me on the Technodrome anytime from 200X to now and I'm done for. Or they don't do that and I'm prodded to add this or that into the mix to maintain proper ESG quotas. Meanwhile I'm getting sticky notes about ESG and I'd just as soon go drive a truck and make $35 an hour if that's the case.

This sh** is coming from one side and one side only. And if you want to make it about religion then those guys at least have real values even if some of them are wrong on their face. You can disagree with them. You can vote against them. But at least they are actual values coming from a true and honest place, despite what we can say about this religious institution or the other. What or where are the values of the Democrats coming from, exactly? That's what I want explained to me. And not with a hand wave and "oh, well all politicians and parties are the same blah blah." Honestly, I really wish I was religious with what's going on. I envy those guys, even. Must be nice, though maybe not so nice with how they're being attacked worse than those who are actually doing the real damage.

[Mayhem]

I'll just throw in the note that the people who are white supremasists tend to be the least supreme beings...

As for left versus right, we don't see that hugely here, mostly because religion doesn't influence policy that much, compared to the US whereas it's the beacon of all things. Even though in my experience, and other people I know who are religious but not followers of organised churches, that the most loud Christians bashing the book tend to be the ones least following the teaching. As soon as you point that out, they start screeching you've called them out on their hypocracy...

That's very interesting if true, as Over Here they teach you the opposite. From pretty much First Grade on, they teach in American History that the Church of England was oppressive and archaic and that more free-spirited people uprooted and came over here so they could be as religious or not as they felt like.
Much available to Google, but this short extract from the TV show QI (which does its utter best through detailed and comprehensive historial research to correct widely held misconceptions under the section heading of "General Ignorance") noted...

"The story of the American Pilgrim Fathers is a complete fabrication. They did not land on Plymouth Rock, but in Provincetown, Massachusetts; they did not sail on the Mayflower; and they did not flee from religious persecution. In fact, they wanted to carry out religious persecution, and create a country in which there could be no dissent from Puritanism. They hated the religious freedoms in England. In 1660 Puritans hanged a woman, Mary Dyer, for being a Quaker."

[Leo656]

And you seem to equate being conservative with being a bigot. Ironically, that makes you the bigot.


Nope, only the ones who prove it out loud! My next-door neighbors on either side have giant "TRUMP" banners up (although the one keeps it hung in his garage out of respect for the neighbors who may not share his views). Good people, very friendly, well-liked by everyone on the block. One of them is Hispanic; our dogs "play" together through the fence. The other one gives rides on his 4-wheeler to the neighborhood kids in the Summertime.

I know for a fact not every conservative is a hateful asshole. But most of the ones who loudly thump their Bibles are. "Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles" kinda thing.

You always think you know people, huh? Must be nice to feel so righteous.

When people tell me who they are I listen, yes.

And it feels GLORIOUS. My sense of self-importance has a lot to do with why I've barely aged a day in over 20 years. :)
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Mayhem: I can believe it. We do have a tendency to gloss over the uncomfortable parts of our history over here, and that's nothing new. By coincidence in reading about a completely different topic last night I came across a few things that do strongly support what you're saying, for sure.

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Andrew: The talking heads pushing "Drag Queen Story Hour" are nuts, yes, but as I keep pointing out, as of last week it appears at least 75% of registered voters - including Democrats - ALSO think that stuff is all nonsense. They don't want to vote for that. The problem is, they're being "forced" to choose between voting for THAT or voting for someone who wants to do Handmaid's Tale LARP.

Most voters are actually moderates. Most liberals are okay with gay/trans people existing but they don't want trans kids playing sports or sharing their locker rooms with their daughters. Most conservatives don't want books banned, they just want them moved to a more age-appropriate space in certain cases. Most people want COMPROMISE on these sorts of issues.

But "compromise" doesn't get people emotional enough to go vote. So you have both sides doing this Extreme Polarity sh*t where they take an issue to its most extreme conclusion even though almost nobody on the street agrees with those positions. So you have people who don't want to ban books, but vote Republican because at least the Republicans won't let people with penises in the girls' bathroom. And people who don't agree at all with Drag Queen Story Hour, but still vote Democrat because they have a daughter and want her to have options over her own medical care and decisions.

Put simply, most people who vote don't fall in lockstep with the party or the politicians, but they end up having one big issue that "forces" them to pick a side even if they find some other things their party espouses to be repugnant. Personally, it's why I don't vote at all.

[Vegita-San]

I'm a conservative. I've hated religion and renounced it since a kid cause it didn't make sense to me then, and doesn't now. I'm not hateful even when someone is hateful to me (most of the time I ignore them.).

I feel like most of this LGTB stuff is derangement nonsense. I'm ok with LGB. But anything else after that is knew age 'pay attention to me, ree' nonsense.

nice to see you don't hate all of 'em.

[Leo656]

People are People. I admittedly generalize as a rule but face-to-face I take individuals as they come.

I mean it's like how I KNOW all chicks are gay but when I meet one who swears they're not and we actually get along, I'm perfectly fine letting them live in denial and I don't try and push too hard. :trazz:

[ChosenOne]

I know for a fact not every conservative is a hateful asshole. But most of the ones who loudly thump their Bibles are. "Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles" kinda thing.

See, something we agree on. But even for those who are assholes, it stems from being religious more than it does from being conservative. We might not have Baptists and all those other hardline offshoots but we do have to deal with Jehovah's Witnesses over here, including some of my stepfather's sisters, and you should hear some of the putdowns I've had to deliver over the years. Absolutely zero tolerance for their pushy crap.

Disclaimer: I do own two Bibles, one in Portuguese and one in English, but then again I own a sh*t ton of books in my home library that I've never read and don't think I ever will.

[Leo656]

I prefer Jemima's Witnesses because at least then you get free waffles.

[neatoman]

There is a JW church near where I live. For some reason they seem to keep their propaganda campaigns to the nearest train station, like they don't even bother to spread out.

[IndigoErth]

There is a JW church near where I live. For some reason they seem to keep their propaganda campaigns to the nearest train station, like they don't even bother to spread out.
I mean, we can trade if you'd like...



edit: So... with TS Ian having now formed and the forecasting so far sounding like it's expected to nail Florida as a pretty strong hurricane... if it rips FL a new one and DeSantis goes crying for help, I wonder how he'd react if all those jobless immigrants were then shuttled off and sent to him to lend a hand in the clean up.

He and FL would get their help, two can play that game by trading them around, would save tax dollars and budget and they can earn their stay for the time being...

[ChosenOne]

edit: So... with TS Ian having now formed and the forecasting so far sounding like it's expected to nail Florida as a pretty strong hurricane... if it rips FL a new one and DeSantis goes crying for help, I wonder how he'd react if all those jobless immigrants were then shuttled off and sent to him to lend a hand in the clean up.

He and FL would get their help, two can play that game by trading them around, would save tax dollars and budget and they can earn their stay for the time being...

First there was TDS, now there's DSDS. Oy...

[IndigoErth]

First there was TDS, now there's DSDS. Oy...
First there were empty kindergarten responses, now there's... oh, still that.

[ChosenOne]

First there were empty kindergarten responses, now there's... oh, still that.

I couldn't put a better label on wishing a hurricane on people you disagree with myself.

[IndigoErth]

So reading comprehension is not a strong point for you. Understood.

Or lets be honest, it's probably tied to an apparently rather deep conservative need to twist and misconstrue anything a "liberal," or even just a perceived liberal or moderate conservative, ever says. If you're not making us out to be evil bad guys all the time, well then you just aren't a good enough con.

[ChosenOne]

So reading comprehension is not a strong point for you. Understood.

Again with the empty kindergarten responses.

Or lets be honest, it's probably tied to an apparently rather deep conservative need to twist and misconstrue anything a "liberal," or even just a perceived liberal or moderate conservative, ever says. If you're not making us out to be evil bad guys all the time, well then you just aren't a good enough con.

Nothing you say requires misconstruction.

[IndigoErth]

Actually based on other bickering it seems you do that a lot, but okay.

You're "not" misconstruing but say I'm wishing a hurricane on people, sure. The only thing I offered is that the people he is immorally using as political pawns are sent to help if FL needs it. So it's wrong to at least get them involved with something positive for this nation if they are going to be here? Put them to work to earn their room and board? Why, because he wouldn't want them there? Oh well. And so easy for you to give a damn about what that guy wants, rather than the situation of those people or what actually goes on here, when you aren't here. :thumbsup: Limited reading comprehension or only seeing what only gets people into trouble.

[ChosenOne]

Fascinating. :sleep:

[Andrew NDB]

So if I go to a bus station and a guy offers me a free ticket to Springfield (and some free meals, drinks, a map of where I'm going with locations and numbers of supportive facilities when I get there) and I say yes and sign a form that says I agree to go there... that is the bus station guy sending me there? How?

[Mayhem]

I got second hand experience of what JW was like as a good mate of mine grew up in such a household (but he was never one himself). Ditto I used to date someone from a Mormon family (but she was oestracised as she was Catholic instead) to understand that religion better too.

[ChosenOne]

I got second hand experience of what JW was like as a good mate of mine grew up in such a household (but he was never one himself). Ditto I used to date someone from a Mormon family (but she was oestracised as she was Catholic instead) to understand that religion better too.

The thing that irks me the most is their stance on blood transfusions and other medical procedures. One of my stepfather's sisters lost a perfectly healthy daughter at a young age and strongly suspected the girl had been deliberately poisoned by a neighbor but still didn't agree to an autopsy to make sure. I'm not a father but if that were my baby girl lying dead, I'd absolutely want to know how and why. It's just a bizarre cult with a bizarre set of beliefs.

[Bahamut810]

I dont know if anyone else is paying attention to this but...the mass migration is well underway and TX is transporting people to the Sanctuary Cities of their choice and now...New York is trying to maintain their borders and have locations of entry for people and they are becoming overwhelmed because of the mass of people coming in.

The same thing they called racist. Huh...

https://youtu.be/BL0-A7tjB3k?si=9hKV3iOkPvb_DzRk

[BornAgain]

There’s nothing to even say. This exposes them.

[Cowabung-Gal]

There’s nothing to even say. This exposes them.

They never practice what they preach

[Andrew NDB]

Yikes... students are being pushed into distance learning because their school needs to suddenly house migrants?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/elon-musk-issues-warning-nyc-students-pushed-school-house-migrants-will-come-for-your-homes

[Bahamut810]

Yikes... students are being pushed into distance learning because their school needs to suddenly house migrants?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/elon-musk-issues-warning-nyc-students-pushed-school-house-migrants-will-come-for-your-homes

I mean...they are running out of places to put the migrants. They are also refusing to move to more affordable but less nice areas.

New York asked for it though, so what can you do?

[The Deadman]

I mean...they are running out of places to put the migrants. They are also refusing to move to more affordable but less nice areas.

New York asked for it though, so what can you do?

I mean, they really dont have any kind of pull when it comes to refusing to move anywhere else. They dont LIVE here. New York's just bowing down to them.

[Mayhem]

As the video implies, they are getting shipped to NYC because of the specific "right to help" law there. Can't seemingly do it anywhere else to offload the cost and keep the voters happy.

[TurtleManiac]

NY voted for this, and they will continue to vote blue no matter who. What’s next, they will demand citizens give up their homes to house illegal immigrants?

Coming from a family of legal immigrants who went thru the legal process of obtaining VISA to come to America, it is sad to see America being invaded by 3rd world illegal immigrants who don’t respect our country and it’s values.

One of President Trump’s 2024 campaign promises is to have the “largest deportation effort in history”. At this point it’s necessary, our borders have been wide open for 3 years, we simply don’t have the resources for all these illegal immigrants. It’s costing taxpayers a fortune, not to mention the rampant crime that goes un-checked.

[Andrew NDB]

One of President Trump’s 2024 campaign promises is to have the “largest deportation effort in history”

In all fairness, Trump said the same thing in 2016 but ended up deporting significantly less than even Obama did.

[Cowabung-Gal]

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Which is worse: to be for stronger border policies or to just let anyone waltz into this country and give them free money without even checking their backgrounds?

[Bahamut810]

In all fairness, Trump said the same thing in 2016 but ended up deporting significantly less than even Obama did.

Didn't he get the numbers down dramatically by working with Mexico to get them to discourage them from crossing their country? Whatever he was doing was working a lot better then whats going on now.

[Andrew NDB]

Didn't he get the numbers down dramatically by working with Mexico to get them to discourage them from crossing their country? Whatever he was doing was working a lot better then whats going on now.

That's probably a thing that's being overlooked right there. While Obama had more deportations... with Trump (particularly with the "remain in Mexico" policy), large numbers never even made it in to need to be deported to start with.

[Mayhem]

To be fair, if Mexico sorted out the drug cartels and that aspect better, there'd be less need for Mexicans to flee to the US...

[Andrew NDB]

To be fair, if Mexico sorted out the drug cartels and that aspect better, there'd be less need for Mexicans to flee to the US...

Which, of course, is not a valid reason to seek asylum anyway. And cartels, while embedded in large swaths throughout Mexico, generally don't just kill people to kill people. If you're not in a rival cartel and didn't snitch on anybody, they're generally not going to mess with you. And if you're in a part of Mexico where you don't like a certain cartel, Mexico is a big place... why not go somewhere else in Mexico where they're not?

It'd be like me dealing with daily drive-bys in Compton, California, then fleeing to Canada to seek asylum because I'm afraid of the Hoova Crips gang doing weekly drive-bys in my neighborhood, despite there being 49 other states and hundreds of cities I could move to instead. Which is ridiculous.

[IMJ]

Someone above said that these people are being dumped in New York, but the situation here in the Chicago area is a disaster. These people have been bused to the actual city and are staying in "Warming Buses" for God's sake.

There have also been caravans dropped off at Metra Train stations as far into suburbia as Naperville. :lol:

It's literally like distributing an army.

[Mayhem]

Until that video, I wasn't aware it was going on anywhere but NYC for the legal reason I stated previously. So the buses are literally coming in, and dumping (like fly tipping almost) immigrants and then fast tracking out of there? Surely that can't be legal?

Which, of course, is not a valid reason to seek asylum anyway. And if you're in a part of Mexico where you don't like a certain cartel, Mexico is a big place... why not go somewhere else in Mexico where they're not?
I don't know if the US laws are different to UK, but threat to life is a valid reason to apply for asylum here. A number due to certain African countries imprisoning, torturing, or killing homosexual people for starters.

As for moving elsewhere in Mexico, that generally requires you selling where you live. And if it's a terrible, crime ridden place... who is going to buy your property to afford to move out?

[Andrew NDB]

As for moving elsewhere in Mexico, that generally requires you selling where you live. And if it's a terrible, crime ridden place... who is going to buy your property to afford to move out?

Well I would hope not the United States taxpayer.

[TurtleManiac]

Texas ain’t playing these commie games. Texas National Guard is actually defending the U.S. border at Eagle Pass, sending illegal immigrants back and arresting those who cross illegally for criminal trespass.

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1748317738672525494

If only all border states would do this.

“They’re trying to save us from an alien invasion!” -April

[IMJ]

I honestly don't know what would be better - arresting border crosses and having the documentation with a court date (that nobody shows up for), OR arresting border crosses and putting them on a bus that immediately brings them 100 back into Mexico somewhere.

If they ever did the latter, give them a map showing the location of a legal entry point with the paperwork to apply for citizenship.

[Mayhem]

Well I would hope not the United States taxpayer.
Wasn’t suggesting anything the such, just it’s the crime equivalent of negative equity, you ain’t going nowhere as you can’t sell.

[TurtleManiac]

Group of illegals in NYC assault 2 police officers. 4 arrested and released without bail, I guess illegals don’t face the same legal consequences as citizens if they break the law?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrants-who-fled-allegedly-beating-nyc-police-use-stolen-phones-buy-cars-pools-home-report.amp

Allegedly they’ve fled from NY to CA via taxpayer funded bus fare, and now the DA wants to track them down, after setting them free.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13046721/amp/manhattan-DA-alvin-bragg-migrants-attacked-cops.html

Heard they won’t even get DUI’s or deportation if they are caught drunk driving, just catch and release. Very dangerous.

Inside the shelters for illegals, pretty wild, can only imagine the mental health issues in this type of environment

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1754997555791114385

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1754659529630134737

[Cowabung-Gal]

Ladies and gentlemen…slavery is coming back in America.

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So this was their true intention all along. Shocker there. :roll:

[Cowabung-Gal]

Wow. How despicable.

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“It’s all about race and brown people and-“ Oh, shut up, Joy. I mean, Squealer.

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