Colorado LGBTQ Club Mass Shooting

[1987]

This seems like another false flag during transgender awareness month

18 injured and 5 dead in a mass shooting at Club Q in Colorado Springs, CO

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/20/us/colorado-springs-shooting-gay-nightclub/index.html

I wonder if this is some stunt to make Lauren Boebert look bad? She’s the infamous mom who told Beto “Hell No, you’re not taking away our guns!”

Angry leftists on twitter are already blaming her since this happened in her state, since she’s pro 2A and they’ve labeled her transphobic. Everything gotta be politicized these days.

Thoughts and prayers for the victims of this senseless false flag terror attack.

[triplexxx]

Always terrible to hear horrible things like this happening. At least they a couple civilians took the guy down. May those eho died rest eell in heaven, may those injured and the families of the victims be comforted and recover, and may the suspect receive his just punishment.

[1987]

The shooter has identified themselves as non-binary and uses they/them pronouns. Here is CNN talking about it and one reporter accidentally misgenders the shooter on air

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1595372222541361154?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Also seen some news articles pop up indicating that this lgbtq bar was hosting all ages drag shows.

Apparently armed ANTIFA militants are “standing guard” at drag queen story hours

https://twitter.com/alexstein99/status/1594075517497606148?cxt=HHwWiIC82ZjPpZ8sAAAA

[Coola Yagami]

This is odd. How will the media spin it when the shooter is 'on the right side'. He's not the big bad MAGA shooter the media was hoping he'd be.

This is why I hate media. Their job should just be to report the news regardless the politics and narrative behind it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Apparently armed ANTIFA militants are “standing guard” at drag queen story hours

They’ll gear up and guard the libraries to protect the drag queens from potential shooters, but they won’t guard the schools to protect the children?

[Andrew NDB]

The left wing news is taking this and running with it, too. Now the narrative is that if you're not all on board with celebrating drag queens performing in front of small children then you're basically complicit in murder, right along side the gunman.

Also, turns out the shooter was non-binary. Whoops!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-non-binary-public-defenders-say

[ChosenOne]

The left wing news is taking this and running with it, too. Now the narrative is that if you're not all on board with celebrating drag queens performing in front of small children then you're basically complicit in murder, right along side the gunman.

Also, turns out the shooter was non-binary. Whoops!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-non-binary-public-defenders-say

Guess that makes me Jack the Ripper. Oh, well.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Also, turns out the shooter was non-binary. Whoops!

He’s just pulling an Ezra Miller so that system will take it easy on him for being part of an oppressed group.

[IndigoErth]

Only thing the media has me mentally raising a brow over is that, as it too often goes when a shooter is a white guy, now we're hearing about his being a victim of bullying. It would be one thing if it was an obvious motive against specific targeted individuals, but when some creep just goes and shoots up innocent people... they shouldn't even bother bringing that crap up. There aught to be no sympathy for someone who does that, harming people who had no involvement in his own history.

Not really buying the "non-binary" bit. If you don't want to be labeled as either then why when changing your name choose a particularly masculine sounding one...

Apparently his mother is a piece of work herself with her own record of arrests and father with a past in drugs and appearing in porn, so sounds like it's a whole family of wackos.

[Autbot_Benz]

Not really buying the "non-binary" bit. If you don't want to be labeled as either then why when changing your name choose a particularly masculine sounding one...

Apparently his mother is a piece of work herself with her own record of arrests and father with a past in drugs and appearing in porn, so sounds like it's a whole family of wackos.

Same he is using Non Binary to try and get out of getting a Hate Crime pinned against him. His dad is no better

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1595519454900805649

[Leo656]

Correct, as far as anyone can tell the "non-binary" label is just a Hail Mary play from his public defenders to try and get a more lenient sentence.

His Dad is sadly not the only person happy about what he did. Every news article I read on the subject has FAR too many comments underneath it saying some variant of, "Well, that's what Those People GET, for __________." It's disgusting. It's bad enough things like this happen at all; when people start CHEERING for it because "ewww gey buttsexks makes me nervous, my kid sez dey're gey and I know it's just cuz dey wuz gr00med!" that's when I start praying for the nukes to drop. People are f*cking disgusting.

Wanting people dead for being gay is like Thing #285 on the "Things More People Should Just Kill Themselves Over" list, because it just makes a person like, the BIGGEST piece of sh*t.

[Andrew NDB]

And article writers on both sides tend to fan the flames more than not. And boy, I watched an interview with that dad and yeesh. As many videos as I could point to on the left of pink-haired people screeching about this or that, that is equally damning of the "Right." Which isn't to say either example is a fair sampling. Crazy people are going to crazy.

The facts are that the shooting happened, the leftist media IMMEDIATELY ran with the "Oh! Oh! Oh! It must be a far right extremist! And anyone that doesn't celebrate drag queen story hour must agree with this thinking! And this is 100% the reason Twitter needs to be censored!" before ANY facts came in about the shooter. Then the egg on face ensues. Then the non-binary thing drops and they're all confused and quiet and weird. Because they can't even bring themselves to question it. By their own rules, if someone says that they must be it, period. Part of a protected and victimized class, by default. And then more facts came in. Turns out he legally changed his name some time before this, threatened his mom with a bomb a little bit before that, and cops were called as a result. There were red flag laws in place there that weren't utilized. Now it's all being quietly shuffled away because it doesn't suit the narrative they shot off from the gate assuming it was a thing that turns out it wasn't. Which is about example #200 of this so far in about the past 2 years alone.

This particular skewing ONLY comes from one side. And they're never called out about it, largely because the right is too goddamned "whatever/non-issue" about stuff this. This SHOULD be a big deal! That this is continuing to happen in the media. People should be held accountable, possibly jobs lost (not "cancelled," but fired because they are doing the opposite of journalism, which is what their very job description should be). This whole incident will be buried and forgotten about in less than a week by the very people crying about it yesterday. Watch.

[mrmaczaps]

And the VA Walmart shooter was a black man who was also an employee... but thats not in the MSM any more either....

If democrats would stop shooting people, there would be like 99% less shootings. *shrug*

[ChosenOne]

And the VA Walmart shooter was a black man who was also an employee... but thats not in the MSM any more either....

If democrats would stop shooting people, there would be like 99% less shootings. *shrug*

Also like 99% less suicides.

[Mayhem]

He sounds like such a well rounded, well brought up individual, just like his father and representative grandfather (who voiced support for Jan6)… not :roll:

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/

The only part I’ll note that yeah, that’s ****ed up, you can see why he wanted to fight back, is that Wiki page mentioned… when we grew up it was names in the playground, now you have something millions of people can read and laugh at…

[Warhorse]

This is odd. How will the media spin it when the shooter is 'on the right side'. He's not the big bad MAGA shooter the media was hoping he'd be.

This is why I hate media. Their job should just be to report the news regardless the politics and narrative behind it.

Malcolm X figured their games out a long time ago.

“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”

[IndigoErth]

He sounds like such a well rounded, well brought up individual, just like his father and representative grandfather (who voiced support for Jan6)… not :roll:

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/

The only part I’ll note that yeah, that’s ****ed up, you can see why he wanted to fight back, is that Wiki page mentioned… when we grew up it was names in the playground, now you have something millions of people can read and laugh at…
Such a quality family, no wonder he is a total nutjob, but still no excuse for harming anyone who had zero involvement in his problems. While the bullying should have never happened, it's a bit easy to assume his own aggressive attitude may have been a part of ending up on the receiving end of that, rather than just being someone who was nice and an easy target to pick on...

Very detailed and informative article. Will just add, that it didn't include, is that Richard Fierro, one of the guys who took this creep down, had been there at the club with his wife, his young 20s daughter, her long time boyfriend, and some friends, supposedly celebrating a birthday and to see the drag show happening that day. The daughter's boyfriend, Raymond Green Vance, was one of the victims. Briefly came across Fierro talking to CNN the other day, he and both families obviously devastated by the loss.

[Leo656]

Very detailed and informative article. Will just add, that it didn't include, is that Richard Fierro, one of the guys who took this creep down, had been there at the club with his wife, his young 20s daughter, her long time boyfriend, and some friends, supposedly celebrating a birthday and to see the drag show happening that day. The daughter's boyfriend, Raymond Green Vance, was one of the victims. Briefly came across Fierro talking to CNN the other day, he and both families obviously devastated by the loss.

"tHis iS gOd'S WrATh aGaInsT sExiAl pErvErSIon!"
- Too many people, including about half of this forum probably

[IndigoErth]

"tHis iS gOd'S WrATh aGaInsT sExiAl pErvErSIon!"
- Too many people, including about half of this forum probably
Yeah, and those who go on like that were partly what I was thinking with that comment too.

Sure, I heard about a "club" and initially imagined some sweaty, risque place... but hearing that it was someplace a family got together at to celebrate someone's birthday and most in the group probably weren't even gay or whatnot, including the daughter's boyfriend who died... so it sounds like this was just a gay-friendly place welcoming in general to anyone, including a family group. Because good god who would ever go anywhere actually risque and inappropriate with their parents.

[ChosenOne]

so it sounds like this was just a gay-friendly place welcoming in general to anyone, including a family group.

So... A place.

[Coola Yagami]

So in other words it sounds like just a place but since a gay person or two were there they're trying to paint it as a hate crime?

[Leo656]

Stop being obtuse. If you read more than 5 minutes on the subject you'd know it's pretty much the only place in the entire town that isn't loudly and openly hostile towards gay people. Which is exactly why those people go there and in turn exactly why they were targeted.

"It might not be an anti-gay hate crime!" except for the fact that it absolutely was. Again, I am forced to beg you people to stop being obtuse, disingenuous, and/or flat-out ignorant.

[IndigoErth]

Was it targeted for that exactly reason... dunno. Haven't personally heard that this guy had writings or posts or rants or online about against gay people, though he certainly comes from people who sound like they're openly anti-gay.

The place is obviously geared toward the gay (etc) community, and they were supposedly having a drag show that night, but sounds like a place straight people felt comfortable also going... at least that one family and friend group who lost someone.

If it was target on purpose, and not just because it was a place with lots of people, then yeah, that would make it a hate crime. And what would be wrong with even acknowledging that if that is all on that one guy. Not sure why people get their back up over something some random criminal did being labeled a hate crime as if that affects them personally.

Definitely the reason I'm not buying the "non-binary" claim. If he didn't have any vendetta against specific people actually in that building and he was part of the LGBTQ+ community, then why on Earth would you try to harm the one business, and patrons in the place, that exists with people like you in mind. That entirely conflicts with that claim.

Would be like loving TMNT comics, but then torching the publisher's print shop.

[Andrew NDB]

This guy sounds too stupid to be making that stuff up. If I had to speculate -- and I could be way wrong -- it's a bit like that other gay club shootout a few years ago, but different. Dude became "in the community" but then felt super guilty/resentful and lashed out at "the community." Maybe his wacky father or criminal mother's words started to haunt him, who knows. This thing doesn't suit any agenda, really, and this seems to be really pissing people off.

[1987]

He was known to police. Arrested a year ago for felony menacing and first degree kidnapping but the DA decided not to pursuit charges.

Well we now know that this Club Q was hosting all ages drag shows which is generally frowned upon by the public. Could be some relation there as to a motive for the shooter, but now he just happens to be non-binary, so isn’t he a part of the community? By their own logic self identify is real. How will we ever know if this was a hate crime or not? The shooter appeared to be doped up on pharmaceuticals.

One transwoman call bs on the shooter being non-binary. But what if someone told him that he’s a man, imagine the outrage. Sounds like trans privilege?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisPlanteShow/status/1595462738318327808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

It seems there’s an agenda going here, now more than ever we’re seeing more and more virtue signaling for transgenders and this tragedy being used to condemn anyone who isn’t on board with the transgender agenda after this mass shootings. Companies going woke, not caring. National Hockey League has been trans virtue signaling alot lately. I'm legit confused. Why do people say "trans women are women?" Does that mean trans women should be treated like women? I thought trans women were just men who identify as women? So confusing…

https://i.imgur.com/DP3ynt1.jpg?1

[IndigoErth]

Possible, lashing out at "those people" instead of accepting it or taking responsibility. Not far off from the incels who do similar, resisting responsibility for their own negative behavior and lash out at others instead.

On the other hand, if he already has a lawyer, it could have been their idea.

[Sumac]

Apparently armed ANTIFA militants are “standing guard” at drag queen story hours
Idiots guarding pedos.
How fitting.

[ChosenOne]

Antifa is officially the left's equivalent to the Praetorian Guard.

[Coola Yagami]

The only problem with this is, if the shooter really is non-binary, then this story will disappear and be swept under the rug. It'll become another case of 'nothing to see here, folks' and that's what's really ****ed up.


Kinda like that non-white person that drive a vehicle into City Hall. The media was pretty much ready to call in J6 II Boogaloo but whoops, the driver wasn't white. Nothing to see here folks.

Either way, innocent people died for nothing. That's the real tragedy here.

[Leo656]

The only problem with this is, if the shooter really is non-binary

He's not, so no point in even "Well, IF"-ing about it.

[Mayhem]

Well, exactly. There’s more chance he’s actually a twink and lashing out as daddy and grandpops loathe twinks.