Nick Fuentes & Kanye West

[robertfiduciary]

So looks like white nationalists and Holocaust deniers are hanging out with the former President at Mar-a-Lago.

And yet... crickets here in "Current Events."

That's so weird! I wonder why that is :roll:.

(Hope you all had a Happy Holiday. Yes, even the two or three of you who seem to be posting your views from... well, closets. Big, big closets).

[1987]

Lol that narrative just came out like 2 days ago everyone probably busy for the holidays :lol:

Anyways, yep! You are correct, 100%. you nailed it! :D

“white supremacist trump hosts antimesemetics nazis kanye west and nick fuentes”

that is indeed the new narrative we see playing out “christo nazis vs antifa/lqbtqiaxyz” but may be harder to control the narrative now that twitter is out of their hands

Happy Holidays!

[ChosenOne]

A black Nazi, mind you... :lol:

[robertfiduciary]

Oh, zing! You men sure got me with all your clever semantics! Wow! I'm surprised you can post so much between MENSA meetings.

But, neither of you seem willing to rebuke the fact that known anti-semite, Holocaust deniers are hanging out with your Presidential hero at his post-Presidential home.

No defense of it at all?

Except your clever little little linguistic misdirects, I mean?

Nothing of substance as a viable defense, then?

Shocked, I tell you. I. Am. Shocked :o

[Leo656]

"Show me your friends and I will tell you who You are."

[robertfiduciary]

That's it. 110% yes.

"Show me your friends and I will tell you who You are."

[ChosenOne]

Leftists are like musical instruments: the most hollow make the loudest noises.

[Vegita-San]

A black Nazi, mind you... :lol:

damn it, beat me too it. was going to ask if kanye was the white nationalist.

can anyone explain to me who the frig nick fuentes is?

Also, can we at least all agree kanye needs to stay far, FAR away from the white house?

[Leo656]

Sadly, among black people there's never been any shortage of Sheep Following The Wolf.

Black hatred of Jews is nothing new, nor is it any secret; Kanye won't be the last and Flava Flav wasn't the first. You can't say "Just because they're a minority, they can't also be a bigot." That is SO not true. Black people generally hate gay people, too, and you'd think they'd make natural allies as likewise "oppressed minorities", but no, because black people think gay sex is "gross", and a lot of them were also indoctrinated into some fundamentalist sect of Christianity which preaches that nonsense. Not to mention Asians and how they collectively hate Everyone. And so on, and so forth. All bigotry requires to take root is a small, infertile mind, and that can be found in anyone.

You can absolutely be a minority and ALSO be a bigot. It is very, very disingenuous to even imply otherwise. The fact that Kanye espouses some of the same opinions as people who would in turn see him dead as well just exposes the astounding levels of his ignorance. Maybe he thinks Those People wouldn't still see him in the ground because of his skin color, just because he pushes similar talking points as they do; he's wrong, but it's whatever, some people gotta learn the hard way.

He's so stupid he can't even see how those people are using him as a minstrel to embolden their cause. "Even THIS n***** hates y'all other n*****s, and the Jews, too!" That's what he's good for, to them, if he can't see it then he's even dumber than I thought, and that's scary.

[Cowabung-Gal]

All bigotry requires to take root is a small, infertile mind, and that can be found in anyone.

Well, smart and talented people can be real bigots, too. Even Karl Marx, the god of the socialists, hated black people.

[Leo656]

To be "fair", back then everyone did.

I think it's pretty scary/dumb that anyone in 2022 would hold up Karl Marx as anything but a clown but that's a whole other topic. Frankly I think Ayn Rand spent a lot more time living in Reality but that's not the kinda thing you're supposed to say out loud, either.

[Sumac]

This is why all notions of "intersectionality" are ********.

[1987]

For what it’s worth here’s Trump’s response to the media reaction of this event

https://i.imgur.com/ty7PErU.jpg?6

So Trump had a black man over for dinner, the outrage is that he’s not a Dem plantation black man. And they say “antisemetic” as it’s the worst possible form of bigotry, it’s been said time and time again don’t say anything bad about the Jews. Why idk, maybe cause the NWO is run mostly by Jews? You’re not allowed to question the narrative of the holocaust, whether everything about it is true or not, there is an official narrative that must not be questioned.

But white liberals get a hall pass to be as racist as they want towards conservatives who are black, hispanic, asian, or any race, and they have “white guilt” and label white conservatives as white supremacists. That’s liberal privelege, if they don’t like your political beliefs they can say anything they want, as long as they don’t talk bad about the Jews, they’ll be fine. As long as their views line up with the corporations that fund them.

[ChosenOne]

Trump: does nothing

Leftards: Trump is racist!

Trump: invites black man to a meeting

Leftards: Trump is antisemitic!

Trump: supports Israel

Leftards: Trump is provoking the Palestinians!

Trump: starts Middle East peace talks

Leftards: Trump is trying to distract us from the problems at home!

Trump: addresses the problems at home

Leftards: Trump shouldn’t poke his nose in our business!

Trump: stops addressing the problems at home

Leftards: Trump should do something!

Trump: does something

Leftards: Orange Man bad!

And on and on and on the meaningless downward spiral goes... :roll:

[IndigoErth]

Well at least Trump got something right putting "advice" in quotes. You've got to be in a really bad place mentally to take advice from him of all people.

Also talks about Kanye like some troubled guy taken off the street out of the goodness of his heart... :lol:

Trump might be good at scheming and being opportunistic, but he's terrible at handling his own PR.

[joe-eyeball]

So looks like white nationalists and Holocaust deniers are hanging out with the former President at Mar-a-Lago.

And yet... crickets here in "Current Events."

That's so weird! I wonder why that is :roll:.

(Hope you all had a Happy Holiday. Yes, even the two or three of you who seem to be posting your views from... well, closets. Big, big closets).

Because other than a couple of Trump obsessed individuals on here with yourself included, nobody gives a sh!t you sad sack!

[Coola Yagami]

You’re not allowed to question the narrative of the holocaust, whether everything about it is true or not, there is an official narrative that must not be questioned.



This makes you sound like a holocaust denier too. You can't be serious.

I mean how can anyone deny something so horrific? There are photos, interviews, very few (if any) survivors that still have the tattoos. They found the actual camps. I'm sure there are records of a drastic drop in the Jew population around that timeframe.

Come on now. It's a literal part of history. You gonna start saying slavery was never a thing and Abe Lincoln never existed?

It's one thing to go against the woke idiots out there, but you're going way too much into the opposite direction here.

[Jester]

Serious or not, last straw.

[Sumac]

This makes you sound like a holocaust denier too. You can't be serious.

I mean how can anyone deny something so horrific? There are photos, interviews, very few (if any) survivors that still have the tattoos. They found the actual camps. I'm sure there are records of a drastic drop in the Jew population around that timeframe.

Come on now. It's a literal part of history. You gonna start saying slavery was never a thing and Abe Lincoln never existed?

It's one thing to go against the woke idiots out there, but you're going way too much into the opposite direction here.
I am not even sure what is the point of denying it. Does it really matter, if it wasn't 6 million people killed, but 5,9? It is still a horrible crime against humanity and anyone who says otherwise, whether they are motivated by anti-semitism or stupidity, should get their head checked.

Its like here, people saying that Stalin was a great ruler and that "his rule wasn't so horrible, because, repressions weren't so bad and it wasn't few millions people who have died, but just few thousands".

Those tragedies shouldn't be measured by amount of people who had died. It doesn't matter were it 10 people or 100 or 1000. It is death of innocent people, who'd done nothing except being in a cross hair of a bloodthirsty dumb**** regime, who wanted to make them scapegoats for its failures and use it as a tool of fear to oppress others.

[Coola Yagami]

..... why did the dark clouds suddenly start lifting?

..... where is all this sunlight coming from?

[Cowabung-Gal]

This makes you sound like a holocaust denier too. You can't be serious.

I mean how can anyone deny something so horrific? There are photos, interviews, very few (if any) survivors that still have the tattoos. They found the actual camps. I'm sure there are records of a drastic drop in the Jew population around that timeframe.

Come on now. It's a literal part of history. You gonna start saying slavery was never a thing and Abe Lincoln never existed?

It doesn’t matter if there are records or mountains of evidence that prove that the Holocaust actually happened. A person who is truly brainwashed will only believe what the system wants him to believe.

Yuri Bezmenov experienced this form of brainwashing firsthand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPsKvG6WMI

[Leo656]

Serious or not, last straw.

..... why did the dark clouds suddenly start lifting?

..... where is all this sunlight coming from?

EX3mZd6Ihuw

[Coola Yagami]

EX3mZd6Ihuw

lmao

I never understood why he called himself The Good Guy, but now I remember that Vince probably would have raised holy hell if he called himself The Bad Guy.

[IndigoErth]

Oopsie... looks like someone crossed that line too far and stepped on a ban mine.

[Leo656]

lmao

I never understood why he called himself The Good Guy, but now I remember that Vince probably would have raised holy hell if he called himself The Bad Guy.

Definitely a little "wink wink nudge nudge" going on with that. Scott was a cheeky bastard.
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LMAO "Ban Mine". :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

is 1987 Banned for good ?

If so this is the best early Christmas gift ever

[ssjup81]

Definitely a little "wink wink nudge nudge" going on with that. Scott was a cheeky bastard.
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LMAO "Ban Mine". :lol:And this is why we all love and miss Scott Hall. :-)

[neatoman]

is 1987 Banned for good ?

If so this is the best early Christmas gift ever

I hope so, I have no clue if that guy was ever here for legitimate reasons or if he just wanted to spout conspiracy theories... Or if he was some guy who hijacked someone else's account.

[Leo656]

I hate to presume but I'd think it's permanent, they've been "under surveillance" for a long time. They never contributed a single f*cking thing here; stick 'em on the shelf next to Jarrah White and the other loons who only ever came here because the homeless people got sick of listening to them rant.

[IMJ]

I hope so, I have no clue if that guy was ever here for legitimate reasons or if he just wanted to spout conspiracy theories... Or if he was some guy who hijacked someone else's account.

I always had the impression that he was one of the older poster who re-registered her maybe to be provacitive or problematic-by-intent. Much like Robert Fiduciary.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't he also the same person who said Putin's invasion of Ukraine was "fake" and wasn't really happening, or was that someone else? Either way it's obvious the person was a troll.

[Mayhem]

Black hatred of Jews is nothing new, nor is it any secret; Kanye won't be the last and Flava Flav wasn't the first. You can't say "Just because they're a minority, they can't also be a bigot." That is SO not true. Black people generally hate gay people, too, and you'd think they'd make natural allies as likewise "oppressed minorities", but no, because black people think gay sex is "gross", and a lot of them were also indoctrinated into some fundamentalist sect of Christianity which preaches that nonsense. Not to mention Asians and how they collectively hate Everyone. And so on, and so forth. All bigotry requires to take root is a small, infertile mind, and that can be found in anyone.
This is sadly, very true. Some of the worst intolerance and racial tension here in the UK is often between West Indian and Indian/Pakistani communities for whatever reason.

A lot of black people are either Christian or Muslim, so yes the bum sex is right off the table acceptance wise. For whatever reason they tend to be even more ultra conservative religion wise than us white folks.

It's so bad, and this is a true story, one of my managers from an old job, who was moderately Christian from the West Indies, legally changed his surname to something else (I think his mother's or grandmother's maiden name) because it was very close to the word "batty". If you know your Caribbean slang, a "batty boy" is basically a male sex escort, and I think people were using the term jokingly with him without quite realising what it meant.

[Andrew NDB]

I was OK with 1987 as a far right counterpoint until the "bring bigotry back" stuff. Yeesh. No.

[Vegita-San]

I was OK with 1987 as a far right counterpoint until the "bring bigotry back" stuff. Yeesh. No.

I thought he was a tad tooo over the top in some ways. but totally missed that. this is exactly what the left is trying to do so they can step in and 'fix' it again.

[Prowler]

To be "fair", back then everyone did.

I think it's pretty scary/dumb that anyone in 2022 would hold up Karl Marx as anything but a clown but that's a whole other topic. Frankly I think Ayn Rand spent a lot more time living in Reality but that's not the kinda thing you're supposed to say out loud, either.

I read the Communist Manifesto years ago and, once I finished it I thought "how can anyone actually think Communism is a good idea?". I do wonder if communists truly have read Marx.

I have no idea how Marx thought about black people. But speaking of another communist, Che Guevara disliked black people and was also homophobic.

I was OK with 1987 as a far right counterpoint until the "bring bigotry back" stuff. Yeesh. No.

I don't know how you ever thought he was anything but a nutjob.

Honestly, man, as entertaining as your dislike of FW TMNT and the Bay Turtles plants is, I don't understand why you love to watch the world burn to the point of liking people like 1987 and C42.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know how you ever thought he was anything but a nutjob.

It's not a crime to be a nutjob, really.

Honestly, man, as entertaining as your dislike of FW TMNT and the Bay Turtles plants is, I don't understand why you love to watch the world burn to the point of liking people like 1987 and C42.

I never said I liked 1987. Commenter42? That guy was awesome. What was wrong with him? Good lord, he's been gone for 6 years now.

[Leo656]

Same sh*t as 'zaps, unrelenting personal attacks and insults whenever someone disagreed with them. Enough people complained until he was finally Banned. And THEN he snuck back in with at least one Alt account which was grounds for Double-Banning.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

C42 is still among us.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLlw4HyjFvEbndkoSbhlx3YVhUz5hc4 oG6sg&usqp=CAU

[Andrew NDB]

C42 is still among us.

I thought there was a chance he could be Reflected_Reflections or whatever, but I don't put a lot of stock there.

[Drose18]

is 1987 Banned for good ?

If so this is the best early Christmas gift ever

I guess the jewish NWO hes so afraid of took him down :D

Hope he eats ****

[Cowabung-Gal]

Kanye walked out in the middle of the Timcast podcast last night, which is pretty childish if you ask me. I mean, how do you expect to become the leader of the free world if you can’t even handle tough questions? And Biden hid from reporters behind the Easter Bunny. :lol:

[Jester]

Kanye walked out in the middle of the Timcast podcast last night, which is pretty childish if you ask me. I mean, how do you expect to become the leader of the free world if you can’t even handle tough questions? And Biden hid from reporters behind the Easter Bunny. :lol:
20 minutes into a 2 hour podcast and he and Fuentes and Milo bolted.
And the questions weren't even that tough...just push back on who the They was trying to hurt him. Tim used they to mean the media, Ye...well...we know.

[ProphetofGanja]

I think it's important that we consider how fully-immersed mega-celebrities like Kanye West can become in smoke and mirrors, worlds of illusion.

If someone makes it THAT big in the entertainment industry, their rise to fame is going to be seized upon by vested interests, capitalizing on their stardom and appeal to the public and using it to great effect at opportune times (think: distraction, bolstering public support for something, etc.).

Kanye definitely went through a period of time where so much of his daily life was handled by assistants and interns, and when someone's access to news, social media, and information in general is so tightly controlled it becomes very easy to shape their worldview towards certain ends. Kanye has obviously been off the leash for a while now, and it's very apparent that he has an incredibly warped perspective on some things (remember that presidential run? :lol:). But at the same time, that doesn't mean he's not right about some things... Food for thought

[IMJ]

I was actually impressed with what he had to say about having handlers his entire life.

Wouldn't have minded hearing more before he bugged up.

[robertfiduciary]

Kanye.

Elon.

Trump.

That Alex Jones interview. Yikes!

Y’all still super sure you’re playing for the right team?

[Coola Yagami]

What's the problem with Musk other than having too much money than he knows what to do with?

I got zero defense for Trump and Kanye.

[robertfiduciary]

It was a House Judiciary GOP (Republican) tweet.

They finally took it down, like an hour ago.

What's the problem with Musk other than having too much money than he knows what to do with?

I got zero defense for Trump and Kanye.

[Andrew NDB]

Kanye.

Elon.

Trump.

That Alex Jones interview. Yikes!

Y’all still super sure you’re playing for the right team?

Is that the way this game works? I rattle off a couple more names of far left whackjobs than you can do the opposite of and I win the prize?

What are we, 3 years old?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Y’all still super sure you’re playing for the right team?

What’s this talk about “teams”? Is Hunter Biden part of your “team” too? Or Mark Zuckerberg? Or John Fetterman?

Y’all really sure you wanna play this game?

[robertfiduciary]

Wow. Triggered much?

As I previously stated, I was merely repeating a tweet the HOUSE JUDICIARY GOP (aka the Republican Party) had tweeted some time ago, and had left up until today.

That was all.

Sorry it bothered you so much, I guess.

And by your own logic, I guess the House Judiciary GOP IS 3 years-old?

Is that the way this game works? I rattle off a couple more names of far left whackjobs than you can do the opposite of and I win the prize?

What are we, 3 years old?

[IMJ]

Wow. Triggered much?

As I previously stated, I was merely repeating a tweet the HOUSE JUDICIARY GOP (aka the Republican Party) had tweeted some time ago, and had left up until today.

That was all.

Sorry it bothered you so much, I guess.

And by your own logic, I guess the House Judiciary GOP IS 3 years-old?

There is nothing actually intelligent about anything you ever have to say.

The only thing you've mastered is provocation without depth, and straw-grasping in order to make statements so as to appear that you are making cogent points. My experience is that people who have developed those strategies as second-nature-interactions are societies dregs - the life angry who have mastered nothing tangible or measurable beyond verbal-jitsu.

You are a nothing-burger. A weirdo on the TMNT forums playing a level of sophistication that greater society has clearly not awarded you with. You're a faker. A tourist. I've never once seen you weave together a truly cogent thought of depth using any level of quantum-computing to analyze a situation. Instead you are an early Atari barfing out Pong and I literally don't know anyone here on the boards who has a modicum of respect for you. Go back to your basement and wrap yourself in your Raphael blanket, boy. Given the personality and opinions you project here, it is very obvious to anyone with a brain-that-thinks and eyes-that-see that you have nothing of merit going on in the real world.

[robertfiduciary]

Ah.

You can't defend the message ("I like Hitler." - renowned Republican, Kanye West) so you decide to attack the messenger pointing out how utterly gross it is ("That's pretty freaking disgusting, yo." - Me).

That's fine, dude. Good for you.

I think you're maybe projecting at me a little? But I don't know you.

And nor do I want to.

"I literally don't know anyone here on the boards who has a modicum of respect for you."

Dude, I do not care what other people think. Or what YOU think other people think.

The only reason I've continued to pursue this little endeavor is simple:

I have received several messages from members here who have thanked me for speaking my mind (hi, y'all!). They're not comfortable with confrontation, or maybe they care about their reputation. Maybe something else. I don't know.

But what I do know is they've been incredibly kind and supportive. And I appreciate them.

So, go ahead and keep making your long-a$$ paragraphs of jumbled word-soup. "I've never once seen you weave together a truly cogent thought of depth using any level of quantum-computing to analyze a situation. Instead you are an early Atari barfing out Pong." I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. When I first read it, I thought maybe you were having a stroke. Just a big, big bunch of random words strung together, trying to sound smart, and failing.

Sound + Fury = Nothing.

I did smile at the most coherent part of your attempt at putting me in my place though. The part where you said:

"You're a faker. A tourist."

I might suggest that it's you who are the faker here, sir. Considering you stole that line from David Fincher's 1999 classic film Fight Club. Edward Norton's character says it to Helena Bonham Carter's character. All of which was based on a book by a guy named Chuck Palahniuk. But I bet you probably wouldn't read the book. Because, you know.

Chuck's gay. Not that it should matter.

But it sure seems to with some of you around these parts. (Fun fact! I've lived my entire life never ONCE getting upset about straight people in TV and movies. It's nice. Some of you should try it. When you watch or see or read something about gay folks in some media... just choose not to consume that media. Easy peasy!).

So in conclusion Your Honor, if something comes up that seems important and relevant in the world, and it seems *conveniently* being ignored around these parts, I might go ahead and share it. If you're troubled by the message, well, then, you can just go ahead and ignore it. Or not!

Again... don't care.

And I would never, ever have a Raphael blanket. Donatello's been my favorite from the start. Weird that you'd choose the angry turtle in your little example. Wonder why your brain went there?

Anyway, thanks for reading gang. I am off to go have a lovely dinner with some wonderful people.

-Rob

PS - I would HAPPILY be considered one of "society's dregs" (which is how you
actually spell it), then whatever world you live in.





There is nothing actually intelligent about anything you ever have to say.

The only thing you've mastered is provocation without depth, and straw-grasping in order to make statements so as to appear that you are making cogent points. My experience is that people who have developed those strategies as second-nature-interactions are societies dregs - the life angry who have mastered nothing tangible or measurable beyond verbal-jitsu.

You are a nothing-burger. A weirdo on the TMNT forums playing a level of sophistication that greater society has clearly not awarded you with. You're a faker. A tourist. I've never once seen you weave together a truly cogent thought of depth using any level of quantum-computing to analyze a situation. Instead you are an early Atari barfing out Pong and I literally don't know anyone here on the boards who has a modicum of respect for you. Go back to your basement and wrap yourself in your Raphael blanket, boy. Given the personality and opinions you project here, it is very obvious to anyone with a brain-that-thinks and eyes-that-see that you have nothing of merit going on in the real world.

[IMJ]

Ah.

You can't defend the message ("I like Hitler." - renowned Republican, Kanye West) so you decide to attack the messenger pointing out how utterly gross it is ("That's pretty freaking disgusting, yo." - Me).

No.

I have no desire or positioning to defend Kanye West. See, this is my point about you - you are creating your own galvanizing confrontation with most of your posts. You are inventing your own enemies and assigning them a positional value.

You just did it again here with

Ah.

You can't defend the message ("I like Hitler." - renowned Republican, Kanye West)

But see you don't get it. I don't care about your message. I don't care about your positioning. I don't care to defend "Kanye West" whom I also don't care about in society's game at all. I only care that you are basically just an @$$hole.

That's it. Your entire position is in question - again - because you are flinging words in a positional argument without even knowing who your opponents or proponents are and then assigning word-value to that nothingness. Which then brings us back to exactly what I said about you right up there in post #51. If you aren't a child, you definitely have the developmental level of one who simply just learned how to argue. That's it.

[Coola Yagami]

The funny thing about 'lol just don't watch gay media' is that straight people always get blamed when such gay media failed. Bros was so bad even certain gay people didn't care to watch it, but somehow it's the straight peoples fault it failed.

Also, let's all try to watch our tempers and political nonsense. It's heavy banning season for people starting a political ruckus and no one honestly cares who the hell Trump had dinner with.

[IMJ]

The funny thing about 'lol just don't watch gay media' is that straight people always get blamed when such gay media failed. Bros was so bad even certain gay people didn't care to watch it, but somehow it's the straight peoples fault it failed.

Also, let's all try to watch our tempers and political nonsense. It's heavy banning season for people starting a political ruckus and no one honestly cares who the hell Trump had dinner with.

I was reading an NPR thread on Facebook after the Bros' box office dropped and the thread was literally littered with NPR readers going on about what kind of tragedy the box office was. Immediately followed up with posted reasons and excuses why they didn't pay to go and see it - I swear to God, posts like "this is ashame, this movie would've had my support but the local theater near me closed and I could go see it" and other nonsense like that.

[Coola Yagami]

I was reading an NPR thread on Facebook after the Bros' box office dropped and the thread was literally littered with NPR readers going on about what kind of tragedy the box office was. Immediately followed up with posted reasons and excuses why they didn't pay to go and see it - I swear to God, posts like "this is ashame, this movie would've had my support but the local theater near me closed and I could go see it" and other nonsense like that.

I mean I can excuse the local theater being closed. No movie is worth driving over to the next town to see unless (insert your favorite Hollywood babe here) has a lengthy topless scene in it maybe. Or in this case, unless Jason Mamoa and Chris Hemsworth have a literal dick measuring contest on screen or something. The irony is, a lot of gay people I know told me the main character they got for Bros was nowhere hot enough to justify him being such a player.

But there were a lot of lazy ones that were like 'it shoulda just been on Netflix'. Naw, if you want a certain thing to be a success, you get off your ****ing ass, you whip out your wallet and you ****ing go buy a ticket.

[IMJ]

Yeah I mean regardless of the excuse there is clearly a ton of hypocrisy going on when it comes to supporting these projects that 1,500 people across the internet are "demanding" when they appear to be an entire civilization.

[robertfiduciary]

I spoke to the Godmother tonight (Godmother: head of the Gay Mafia), and he said that the next time a movie about straight people, with straight leads, doing straight things and just going down to hetero town... the next time a movie like that bombs...

You can blame us.

Your straight story with straight characters and straight actors bombed because of the gays.

Our bad.

Sorry about that, y'all.

I'm also sorry that it seems so many of you took the "blame" that the movie laid at your feet even though it was pretty obvious that they were trying to defend their work, and it's poor box office showing, which I think is a perfectly normal thing to do regardless of who you sleep with.

There was... yuck. I don't even remember his name. But there was a guy, who entered this contest, right? And he "won," which I put in quotes, because he won on a technicality. The actual votes for the contest he lost.

By a lot.

So then he goes on this years long tirade. About how the votes were rigged, and how there was tampering in the voting process. He railed and railed against everyone. Over and over again. For YEARS.

Then, get this! Dude enters the contest AGAIN.

This time he loses! Both technically, and actually!

And here's the thing. He's STILL out there blaming everyone but himself.

The makers of "Bros" defense was natural. They thought they did a good job, the world didn't agree, and they were upset about it. I'm also willing to wager (because we're clever like this) that they realized ANY publicity they could get for the movie would at least sell a few more tickets.

So, any story they could get in the press, they did.

And I bet I could count on one hand all the straight folks who took the claim that it was their fault (how thin skinned can you be?) personally.

And I bet they're all on this very message board.

[IndigoErth]

And I bet they're all on this very message board.
Well...not as many as several days ago.

[member_removed]

Well...not as many as several days ago.

Nice one, gold!

[Leo656]

I mean, this may come as a shock to some people here, but "Whining for months (YEARS?) about movies I was never gonna watch in the first place" isn't a thing well-adjusted people in Real Life actually do.

My reaction to like 99% of the stuff people post here anymore is consistently "Jesus, f*ck, how bored ARE you people?!"

There is SO MUCH any of you could be doing instead of the stuff you actually do. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Organize a toy drive in your neighborhood. Take an art class. Try to figure out Pro Tools (that one'll keep you busy for a while). Finally convert all those old VHS tapes to digital.

"Crying on a dying message board about movies you were never gonna see and how they're directly responsible for the downfall of ALL pop culture at large"? Idiot Loser Talk. Go the f*ck outside.

[Turo602]

I mean, this may come as a shock to some people here, but "Whining for months (YEARS?) about movies I was never gonna watch in the first place" isn't a thing well-adjusted people in Real Life actually do.

My reaction to like 99% of the stuff people post here anymore is consistently "Jesus, f*ck, how bored ARE you people?!"

There is SO MUCH any of you could be doing instead of the stuff you actually do. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Organize a toy drive in your neighborhood. Take an art class. Try to figure out Pro Tools (that one'll keep you busy for a while). Finally convert all those old VHS tapes to digital.

"Crying on a dying message board about movies you were never gonna see and how they're directly responsible for the downfall of ALL pop culture at large"? Idiot Loser Talk. Go the f*ck outside.

Ain't that the f*cking truth. I roll my eyes whenever I see a thread about some random f*cking movie like Bros, The Woman King, and Strange World because I know exactly what the conversation is going to be about and it ain't about hype and anticipation. It's the same old sh*t, thread after thread, because somehow, dancing on the grave of a woke film is something people feel compelled to do on a TMNT forum. This place is not only an echo chamber, but the people here seriously have no f*cking life with how often they feel the need to talk about the same sh*t under a new film title.

[Andrew NDB]

It's the same old sh*t, thread after thread, because somehow, dancing on the grave of a woke film is something people feel compelled to do on a TMNT forum.

Yeah? Please tell us and describe, then, the enlightened and "correct" way that people must post on a TMNT forum. Go on. Lay it all out there. Since you take chagrin with people's... posting habits, I guess? (also a weird thing to fixate on, possibly a more grievous offense if we were to rank them) Let's hear it and discuss. I'm all ears.

And separately, I can assure you many of the people "chiming in" on the things you're pointing to in not entirely correct terms have some of the busiest and most lively everyday lives you'll ever know. Also, there is an obvious disconnect. There seems to be a perception that when someone, say, starts a thread about a movie that's probably going to fail (to use your example) -- that surely has to be someone cringing at their monitor, teeth clenched, angry at the world, looking to spread anger and hatred or something as they seethe... I can only speak for myself and maybe another couple here, but far from it, man. I'm laughing my a** off or at least wearing a sh**-eating grin when I post those, and I don't do any of that from a place of malice. You're (I say "you're" but I mean that in a general sense) the ones projecting that on us, and it must be coming from your own worldview because it sure isn't coming from ours.

[Leo656]

This place is not only an echo chamber, but the people here seriously have no f*cking life with how often they feel the need to talk about the same sh*t under a new film title.

What's sad is I know for a fact that some of 'em actually have good s*t going on, which makes "the crusade" all the more disappointing. They literally have much better things to do and to talk about but they CHOOSE to bark at the moon about the Woke Boogeyman, every single available opportunity.

Why? "Awwww dude it's SO important, we gotta Fight Back! We can't let 'em ruin pop culture!" A'ight, have at it there, Don Quixote and Friends, lemme know how it turns out. I'm sure screaming into the abyss on a dead forum is gonna make it allllll better.

For me the Woke Boogeyman sh*t is the new "Simpsons Have Sucked For 25 Years" bullsh*t. The people whining about the content are officially annoying me MORE than the content itself. I can ignore the content; it's much harder to ignore the whining.

NONE of this sh*t is important. I personally don't even have time to watch TV or movies, I'm checked out, I don't care. They can make EVERY new thing "woke garbage" for all I care, it doesn't and won't affect me at all. But even before that, most movies and TV shows "weren't for me" for various reasons. People made fun of me, called me a cynic and a joyless bastard for saying "I don't get excited about movies or shows anymore," but turns out as usual I'm just ahead of the curve.

It is SO EASY - and liberating - to just Stop Giving A Sh*t. "If I see something I like, I'll care Then. Otherwise, it's whatever." Super easy. I've been like that for a long, long time. And it's a LOT healthier that hawking EVERY single new movie, show, comic or game that comes out and putting it under some kind of microscope even when it clearly has nothing to do with you.

People wanna be upset, so they make themselves upset. But it's bullsh*t.

[Leo656]

Yeah? Please tell us and describe, then, the enlightened and "correct" way that people must post on a TMNT forum.

It's just probably THE dumbest place to try and fight a Culture War at such a loud volume.

Half the people here are Actually Clinically Retarded, so ask yourself Who are you arguing with on these topics and Why is it so important that they be on your side?

I'm outspoken that I'd have NO problem with this place dying for good since TMNT is a dead brand entirely. It'd be for the best. But of ALL the places for anyone to come and screech about how many gay people and minorities are crammed into every show and movie these days...

It's like going to the circus and trying to start a conversation about Climate Change, or convert people to Mormonism. "You're gonna pull this HERE? Really? Wow, okay, uh... I mean, 'you have the right' I guess..."

[Andrew NDB]

It is SO EASY - and liberating - to just Stop Giving A Sh*t. "If I see something I like, I'll care Then. Otherwise, it's whatever." Super easy. I've been like that for a long, long time. And it's a LOT healthier that hawking EVERY single new movie, show, comic or game that comes out and putting it under some kind of microscope even when it clearly has nothing to do with you.

People wanna be upset, so they make themselves upset. But it's bullsh*t.

While I'm probably not too far behind on the eventual, "I'm just going to stop giving a sh** now" train, I think you're painting things with a too black and white brush here. It isn't only "I'm upset at this thing" or "I'm totally cool with this thing."

For me, personally, most of the "provocative" stuff I post here and there is just to elicit conversation. And what a crime, that. Conversation on a message board. Does some of what I post actually upset me? In terms of entertainment media, very little. There is like 2 or 3 franchises that are near and dear to me that can get "upset" out of me. The rest is just, "Oh. Look at that. They're doing the thing again. Discuss!"

What's going on in the world, that's another story.

It's just probably THE dumbest place to try and fight a Culture War at such a loud volume.

Half the people here are Actually Clinically Retarded, so ask yourself Who are you arguing with on these topics and Why is it so important that they be on your side?

You see a "fight" here and suggest that I care that anyone be on "my side" when I honestly don't care. I post here because it amuses me. That's never changed. If it one day ceases to I will stop. It really isn't any more complicated than that beyond my enjoyment of others' posts, yours included.

It's like going to the circus and trying to start a conversation about Climate Change, or convert people to Mormonism. "You're gonna pull this HERE? Really? Wow, okay, uh... I mean, 'you have the right' I guess..."

Do you have an alternative idea for a "best practice" of what to talk about here? Maybe theories about what's in Seth Rogen's heart or something? Chiming in on "Rise of the TMNT" episode re-runs? I got nothing.

[Turo602]

"Oh look, movie about gays. Discuss..."

Yeah, that doesn't sound like someone just trying to elicit a conversation.

[Andrew NDB]

I have nothing to say and can't/won't respond to your post properly, so I'm just going to make up something you didn't say and leave it at that.

Ah, bravo! See? I can do it, too.

[Leo656]

I'm laughing my a** off or at least wearing a sh**-eating grin when I post those

And this is something about some people I never have and never will understand. "I enjoy stirring up sh*t. I get a kick out of it."

I just don't get it at all. Life is a grind, who has time or energy to throw rocks at peoples' feet just to watch them dance? "It's all in good fun!" Then you're kind of a sociopath, just sayin'.


For me, personally, most of the "provocative" stuff I post here and there is just to elicit conversation. And what a crime, that. Conversation on a message board.

So the fact that dozens of people in just the last year or two ended up quitting the place because they're 100% sick of those "conversations"... some of them even using Your Name Specifically as the reason... "He just never stops stirring sh*t and it's tiresome already"... how much does that matter, then?

Assume you're being sincere and your intentions are 100% pure. Assume you really do just want to "start a little conversation". The FACT is, your attempts - YOURS, specifically - have had the exact OPPOSITE effect as you've said you wanted. Rather than "more conversation", there is LESS, because someone else rage-quits EVERY time you work your gimmick.

So I'm curious what your take from that is. I'm gonna guess "F*ck 'em then, the pussies", BUT that only reveals that your motives aren't as pure as you claim, if that's your gut reaction to discovering that it is partly Your Fault the place is as dead as it is now.

For what it's worth, Yes I try and defend you to those people. Doesn't matter, they're sick of politics on what is supposed to be a "lighthearted" conversation board, and they're sick of constantly hearing about the Woke Boogeyman from you and two or three other people. They admit you are not the worst person here but that is also part of the problem; "He's too f*cking smart to consciously CHOOSE to use his powers for Evil." They expect nonsense and idiocy from people like 'zaps; they got used to much better from You, and they're disappointed and fed up with Post-Flashpoint/New 52 Andrew.

Just reporting. Do with that information what you will. Just know with full certainty that your attempts to "stimulate conversation" have had the polar opposite effect as your stated intent. If your intentions were sincere, you'd stop, and we'd all get to see if any of those people who left ever come back.

OR you could keep it up until the entire forum is just you and Cubed talking about how cool the place was circa 2005. I ain't your Dad.

[Leo656]

Do you have an alternative idea for a "best practice" of what to talk about here? Maybe theories about what's in Seth Rogen's heart or something? Chiming in on "Rise of the TMNT" episode re-runs? I got nothing.

Actually, yes. "How do we get a hold of Krang, pool our financial resources, and buy the site just to put it out of its misery once and for all?" would be a fantastic place to start some Actual Conversation.

TMNT is dead. There is no Staff and almost nobody wants to be. The Staff that exists desperately want to quit but remain out of obligation. The forum has outlived its usefulness. People WERE talking about Other Stuff, until they quit for reasons I've already explained. So whatever, let it all be over already. I am 100% fine with it. Closure is an important part of Life.

[Turo602]

Ah, bravo! See? I can do it, too.

I don't need to regurgitate what Leo has already done a great job at addressing. He knows you far better than I do and even he sees through your half-hearted attempts to absolve yourself. I mean, that is why you took offense to my comment right? Of course, it's always you making those same exact threads for the same 4 or so people. You can ask Simon Cowell to sing all you want, I don't need to have the solution to be able to state the very obvious problem around here and by your own admission, you do all this for your own amusement and I've known this about you already. You always get off on stoking the flames and you did indeed make a thread about a movie you have no interest in watching because it was about gay people and you clearly didn't know how to move on with your day without letting us all know just how funny you thought the concept was.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, that is why you took offense to my comment right?

You're doing it again! No, wrong. I'm apathetic to your comment, same as I'm apathetic to you.

And this is something about some people I never have and never will understand. "I enjoy stirring up sh*t. I get a kick out of it."

Your words, not mine.

I just don't get it at all. Life is a grind, who has time or energy to throw rocks at peoples' feet just to watch them dance? "It's all in good fun!" Then you're kind of a sociopath, just sayin'.

This implies I'm looking at the members here as some kind of puppets. I'm not. Is that how you look at them, or something? They're going to do what they're going to do.

So the fact that dozens of people in just the last year or two ended up quitting the place because they're 100% sick of those "conversations"... some of them even using Your Name Specifically as the reason... "He just never stops stirring sh*t and it's tiresome already"... how much does that matter, then?

To me? Not at all. Which isn't to say there isn't far left-leaning people around here that I do miss, even if I disagree with them on a ton. Candy Kappa, great poster. CylonsKlingonsDaleks, super great guy. Even plastroncafe! Wonderful woman, even if she made posts I fervently disagree with. And so on. Though I honestly can't say it's a very long list beyond some super OG posters that left long before the world and entertainment went nuts.

Assume you're being sincere and your intentions are 100% pure. Assume you really do just want to "start a little conversation". The FACT is, your attempts - YOURS, specifically - have had the exact OPPOSITE effect as you've said you wanted. Rather than "more conversation", there is LESS, because someone else rage-quits EVERY time you work your gimmick.

So I'm curious what your take from that is. I'm gonna guess "F*ck 'em then, the pussies", BUT that only reveals that your motives aren't as pure as you claim, if that's your gut reaction to discovering that it is partly Your Fault the place is as dead as it is now.

My take is mostly, "Well, there isn't much I can do about that." While certainly missing certain posters that were eh, victims of being around troublesome posts? I guess? I literally don't know what I can do about that.

"Say less," as the kids say these days?

OR you could keep it up until the entire forum is just you and Cubed talking about how cool the place was circa 2005. I ain't your Dad.

What are you talking about? I didn't show up until 2007. When I was all but ran out for saying how bad the 2007 movie was (soon after, though, came the "Crystal Skull"-like collective post-refractory period of "er, wait... that really wasn't the best Turtle movie of all time, was it?"). I didn't even return for years. The forum was busy but a sh**hole back then. The only great thing going for it was the fanfiction and fanart going on. That was a f**ing renaissance. Everyone and their mom was creating. Whether it was art or fanfiction or Livejournals or hand-crafted Geocities/Fortunecity/Tripod websites. The Ring of Green. The Undies thing. Spork. That was amazing thing to be a part of, but it wasn't like a thing confined to this board. It was all across the fandom and other Turtle boards and groups. And other fandoms.

Actually, yes. "How do we get a hold of Krang, pool our financial resources, and buy the site just to put it out of its misery once and for all?" would be a fantastic place to start some Actual Conversation.

I actually hit up Krang like 2, maybe 3 years ago offering to buy. I offered a couple thousand, if memory serves. I don't really have that to give right now, though I'm sure that prospect wouldn't serve all these anonymous current or ex-members who are disappointed in me for not agreeing with them politically or otherwise.

[Leo656]

Andrew and I are friends but we're also very different people and I confess to sincerely not understanding the Why of a great many things he and others choose to put out into the world. Sometimes it just seems like needless discord.

Regardless, I will continue rooting for everyone to consistently be the Best Version of Themselves.

[Turo602]

You're doing it again! No, wrong. I'm apathetical to your comment, same as I'm apathetical to you.

And back to bullsh*tting. Not surprised.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean..... they can stop putting out these kinds of movies and go back to making good ones? Like honestly, how many of these movies have to fail before they realize that joe public doesn't give a ****. Bomb after bomb, it's like they like to light money on fire like that one scene in The Dark Knight, and sometimes they push the envelope so far even their beloved China won't play their movie so they lose out on that sweet Chinese revenue since they can't pull their heads out of their asses.

I mean... at least the Mario movie looks good right? And the Sonic movies were fun. Smile was worth a few jumps. Not everything needs to push 'the narrative'. People sure loved that Top Gun sequel. Let's get back to fun movies.

[Andrew NDB]

And back to bullsh*tting. Not surprised.

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I mean..... they can stop putting out these kinds of movies and go back to making good ones? Like honestly, how many of these movies have to fail before they realize that joe public doesn't give a ****.

We have the new Disney CEO basically apologizing to the world with gritted teeth a couple of days ago about Disney getting too political because the last CEO got fired for pushing that and Florida costing them billions. They know. Mostly.

I mean... at least the Mario movie looks good right? And the Sonic movies were fun. Smile was worth a few jumps. Not everything needs to push 'the narrative'. People sure loved that Top Gun sequel. Let's get back to fun movies.

There is a lot to celebrate in the last couple of years. A return to normalcy (relatively) in theaters. Genuinely straight-up good movies with no agenda, these seem to be rewarded, with exception. Mario movie looks great. Indiana Jones 5 looks great!

Avatar is going to be the big anomaly. But not actually an anomaly. If I'm wrong, I'm willing to accept the egg on my face. But I think it's going to be big. And by anomaly I don't mean it's going to be a "woke" movie. I mean it's a perceived woke movie that's still going to be huge because it's clever about it. As in, it's not even a woke movie at all. China has already accepted it and they haven't accepted any American films for quite a while now. As much as Cameron says this or that, I suspect the end result will be a straight up good movie.

[Turo602]

https://c.tenor.com/o4WTpAglWyoAAAAM/mad-men-conversing.gif

So that's why you were crying for a proper response after you wrote 2 whole paragraphs to me. Sure thing.

[Andrew NDB]

So that's why you were crying for a proper response after you wrote 2 whole paragraphs to me. Sure thing.

Yes. Yes, I was crying. Please tell me again the part where I was crying, I'd love to relive that.

:lol:

[Turo602]

Yes. Yes, I was crying. Please tell me the part where I was crying, I'd love to relive that.

:lol:

Like a baby. Anyway, apathetic you say? :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Get a room you two.

[Andrew NDB]

Like a baby. Anyway, apathetic you say? :lol:

What? That was a question. A question you didn't answer. Like the other slew of questions you didn't want to address. This is your party and you've laid the table covers and I'm just here.

[Turo602]

What? That was a question. A question you didn't answer. Like the other slew of questions you didn't want to address. This is your party and you've laid the table covers and I'm just here.

Oh, I addressed it. I'm just not playing your stupid game. You're 40 years old, you should know exactly why your questions were dumb and petty. I'm not going to be roped into a meaningless debate that tries to skirt the issue as if what I said was somehow out of line.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, I addressed it. I'm just not playing your stupid game. You're 40 years old, you should know exactly why your questions were dumb and petty. I'm not going to be roped into a meaningless debate that tries to skirt the issue as if what I said was somehow out of line.

No, you absolutely side-stepped it. You handed Leo the baton and said he did the work for you and that was that. You haven't actually addressed any of the posts where I actually sent you more than a meme in any meaningful way. And throwing out age? Is this going to help your case? What is your case, exactly? You need to actually define that before you throw out these things, otherwise these are just things

[Turo602]

No, you absolutely side-stepped it. You handed Leo the baton and said he did the work for you and that was that. You haven't actually addressed any of the posts where I actually sent you more than a meme in any meaningful way. And throwing out age? Is this going to help your case? What is your case, exactly? You need to actually define that before you throw out these things, otherwise these are just things

And? What's your problem? I don't need to waste time repeating stuff that's been said. You wanted answers, they were provided, but now it's not good enough because it's not from me? I'm not trying to pile on you and have you answer to me what you're already answering to Leo, but you love redundancy.

And even if Leo hadn't posted, I still have no interest in playing your game. You're shifting the problem onto me and trying to get me to answer meaningless questions like it somehow diminishes what I had to say and you only did so because you took offense, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to absolve yourself with just having some fun and creating discussion.

Let's say I answer your questions, what does it change? What exactly does it have to do with my original post? And yeah, your age does matter, because I shouldn't even have to tell you how to conduct yourself on a message board.

[The Deadman]

Ah.

You can't defend the message ("I like Hitler." - renowned Republican, Kanye West) so you decide to attack the messenger pointing out how utterly gross it is ("That's pretty freaking disgusting, yo." - Me).

That's fine, dude. Good for you.

I think you're maybe projecting at me a little? But I don't know you.

And nor do I want to.

"I literally don't know anyone here on the boards who has a modicum of respect for you."

Dude, I do not care what other people think. Or what YOU think other people think.

The only reason I've continued to pursue this little endeavor is simple:

I have received several messages from members here who have thanked me for speaking my mind (hi, y'all!). They're not comfortable with confrontation, or maybe they care about their reputation. Maybe something else. I don't know.

But what I do know is they've been incredibly kind and supportive. And I appreciate them.

So, go ahead and keep making your long-a$$ paragraphs of jumbled word-soup. "I've never once seen you weave together a truly cogent thought of depth using any level of quantum-computing to analyze a situation. Instead you are an early Atari barfing out Pong." I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. When I first read it, I thought maybe you were having a stroke. Just a big, big bunch of random words strung together, trying to sound smart, and failing.

Sound + Fury = Nothing.

I did smile at the most coherent part of your attempt at putting me in my place though. The part where you said:

"You're a faker. A tourist."

I might suggest that it's you who are the faker here, sir. Considering you stole that line from David Fincher's 1999 classic film Fight Club. Edward Norton's character says it to Helena Bonham Carter's character. All of which was based on a book by a guy named Chuck Palahniuk. But I bet you probably wouldn't read the book. Because, you know.

Chuck's gay. Not that it should matter.

But it sure seems to with some of you around these parts. (Fun fact! I've lived my entire life never ONCE getting upset about straight people in TV and movies. It's nice. Some of you should try it. When you watch or see or read something about gay folks in some media... just choose not to consume that media. Easy peasy!).

So in conclusion Your Honor, if something comes up that seems important and relevant in the world, and it seems *conveniently* being ignored around these parts, I might go ahead and share it. If you're troubled by the message, well, then, you can just go ahead and ignore it. Or not!

Again... don't care.

And I would never, ever have a Raphael blanket. Donatello's been my favorite from the start. Weird that you'd choose the angry turtle in your little example. Wonder why your brain went there?

Anyway, thanks for reading gang. I am off to go have a lovely dinner with some wonderful people.

-Rob

PS - I would HAPPILY be considered one of "society's dregs" (which is how you
actually spell it), then whatever world you live in.

Triggered much?

[IMJ]

"Oh look, movie about gays. Discuss..."

Yeah, that doesn't sound like someone just trying to elicit a conversation.

Look man, it's about content & people.
The content informs the conversation in every fandom, man. Guys, the simple fact is that the convo is galvanizing because of the content.

The people inform the responses they get. This place was a raging-opinion-dumpster fire-culture. And it shows how weak that culture was that people started leaving when faced with unassailable counterpoints. And it's not about hate - Turo you and I are both in the greater Chicagoland area - you know as well as I do that on that fact alone it's likely that we each know a pretty fleshed out bundle of people day-to-day. If you accept that, then consider where am I coming from. Many of those clowns we pushed back on would say in hushed circles that I'm the worst offender - but if that's true then it's only because I put them in such hard check that the mirror held in front of them cut 'em to the core and they won't admit it. They're just mad because someone pointed out the truth about 'em that they thought they wouldn't have to wear.

I don't need to waste time repeating stuff that's been said. You wanted answers, they were provided, but now it's not good enough because it's not from me?

I mean, in some ways I do understand if people are sick of hearing it. I'm longing for a day where forced "woke this or woke that" isn't even part of the mix. But what? You want to start a thread and play-pretend that the only thing to say is that "xyz was awesome!"? So I'm not saying "no" to you guys, and I'm not saying that I disagree 100% with you or Leo's f'n rants the las few days. But I would like some honest f'n justification to consider.....

[Coola Yagami]

Look man, it's about content & people.
The content informs the conversation in every fandom, man. Guys, the simple fact is that the convo is galvanizing because of the content.

The people inform the responses they get. This place was a raging-opinion-dumpster fire-culture. And it shows how weak that culture was that people started leaving when faced with unassailable counterpoints. And it's not about hate - Turo you and I are both in the greater Chicagoland area - you know as well as I do that on that fact alone it's likely that we each know a pretty fleshed out bundle of people day-to-day. If you accept that, then consider where am I coming from. Many of those clowns we pushed back on would say in hushed circles that I'm the worst offender - but if that's true then it's only because I put them in such hard check that the mirror held in front of them cut 'em to the core and they won't admit it. They're just mad because someone pointed out the truth about 'em that they thought they wouldn't have to wear.



I mean, in some ways I do understand if people are sick of hearing it. I'm longing for a day where forced "woke this or woke that" isn't even part of the mix. But what? You want to start a thread and play-pretend that the only thing to say is that "xyz was awesome!"? So I'm not saying "no" to you guys, and I'm not saying that I disagree 100% with you or Leo's f'n rants the las few days. But I would like some honest f'n justification to consider.....

Exactly. Want us to stop bitching about the woke crap, stop making woke crap. Or at least leave it to new properties like Bros. Leave our established 80s and 90s properties the hell alone.

Even something potentially non-woke like the Mario movie where Nintendo doesn't care what the woke want and will do things THEIR WAY, and they're still trying to find hidden politics in it. Just stop it.

[Andrew NDB]

Exactly. Want us to stop bitching about the woke crap, stop making woke crap.

Yeah. Did you see me making a lot of "political posts" 10 years ago? I bet you didn't. I wasn't even politically minded at all until media forced the issue and entertainment itself was weaponized by the left.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah. Did you see me making a lot of "political posts" 10 years ago? I bet you didn't. I wasn't even politically minded at all until media forced the issue and entertainment itself was weaponized by the left.

Nowadays the push to politicize everything is so strong, they even say choosing to stay out of politics still counts as taking a political stance. You just can't win.

Hell, most leftists automatically consider you taking a 'apolitical stance' to still be right wing even thought you're choosing to opt out of both.

[Leo656]

Exactly. Want us to stop bitching about the woke crap, stop making woke crap

So "just getting a life and Actual Problems Worth Complaining About" just not an option, or...?

[Coola Yagami]

So "just getting a life and Actual Problems Worth Complaining About" just not an option, or...?

Naw.

That's not how we roll in The Drome, yo.

Besides, entertainment is supposed to get your mind off your real life and actual problems, not constantly bombard you and remind you of them. The art of escapism is all but dead nowadays.

Even when you go into escapism (like Kong V Godzilla, was it good no? was it fun seeing them **** **** up, yes), they complain about having a movie just be entertaining without cramming whatever the latest woke narrative is. Like a movie just can't be a movie anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

Nowadays the push to politicize everything is so strong, they even say choosing to stay out of politics still counts as taking a political stance. You just can't win.

"Your silence is deafening" and so on. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

"Your silence is deafening" and so on. :lol:

IKR, they all read from the same script.

[Vegita-San]

Yeah. Did you see me making a lot of "political posts" 10 years ago? I bet you didn't. I wasn't even politically minded at all until media forced the issue and entertainment itself was weaponized by the left.

Bingo. Exactly my point of view. only my issues started on the Replica Prop Forum. First place ANYWHERE I encountered the woke mind virus and was gob smacked by some of the replies.

Post Number 1, was complaining about how a skimpy, over weight cosplayer got so much attention for her cheap costumes, when women who don't show skin with AMAZING costumes go un mentioned. I got beaten down on that one like the world was ending...apologized, and they brushed off the apology like I was in the wrong for doing it. Red Flag #1.

Post Number 2 that is still legendary on that forum, was constantly trashing feigbusters, and having fun doing it. By that point, I wasn't going to stop with my opinion and pointing out the truth on such matters, and got banned on my only internet forum in 30 years of online stuff.

A little while after that, I learned about the term 'woke'....and trump did his video complaining about the ghostbusters movie. after all the flack I got for bringing up facts, that got me interested in him then. And why I still can't believe the left can't let him go long after office.

only reason I got 'political' is because politics ruined my favorite escapisms. only way to fight back is to stay on top of it.

[Vegita-San]

trying to help rob see the light on twitter, before he reaches Dimaggio levels of TDS insanity, but don't think it's going to happen.

Although, he DOES avoid commenting on videos like the one I posted, where cops let protestors into the building on the 6th... so maybe there is some hope for him yet. otherwise, he just comes back with anger, rather than talk about it.

[Coola Yagami]

trying to help rob see the light on twitter, before he reaches Dimaggio levels of TDS insanity, but don't think it's going to happen.

Although, he DOES avoid commenting on videos like the one I posted, where cops let protestors into the building on the 6th... so maybe there is some hope for him yet. otherwise, he just comes back with anger, rather than talk about it.

There is no cure for TDS.

Now I do know J6 snapped a lot of his supporters out of it, but that just strengthen the resolve of the antis and made it worse.

[IMJ]

Bingo. Exactly my point of view. only my issues started on the Replica Prop Forum. First place ANYWHERE I encountered the woke mind virus and was gob smacked by some of the replies.

I made one post on the replica props forum in my life. It was to sell a Blade Runner blaster that was sold out. Immediately got destroyed by like three of the loud-mouth posters over there on the peasant-thinker principle of "new guy wants to sell" and then of course "my asking price" and all of the laugh emojis.

Literally sold that blaster in a day for almost a grand shipped to a guy in Sweden. Next post on the RPF groups was from some other guy who simply said "He sold it". :lol:

My top three fandoms for cults of personality?

RPF
Indiana Jones guys
Ninja Turtles..... people

[Leo656]

"Fighting back" in an unwinnable "war" is futile.

EVERY generation ages out of pop culture and says "This new sh*t is AWFUL! Back in MY day we had GOOD stuff! They ruined it!" This is one of the most consistent things about human beings. The things that got "ruined" and the sinister "they" who were behind it all, those things are variables, but it's ALWAYS the same basic thing.

And those people NEVER "win". They just keep watching, playing or listening to the Old Stuff they liked when they were young, and ignoring or bitching about New Stuff. Same sh*t, different day.

Watching y'all spit into the wind every day is tiresome. You're like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out how to f*ck a football and getting more and more upset that you can't. You ain't "winning" sh*t. Accept it.

We're getting old, and "this stuff isn't for Us anymore." There are graceful ways to deal with that. Y'all ain't cracked it yet.

[IMJ]

We're getting old, and "this stuff isn't for Us anymore." There are graceful ways to deal with that.

I do agree with this 100%. This is 100% true.

On that note when is your next MOTU O video? I get a kick out of your MOTU O thrills..... 8)

[Turo602]

Look man, it's about content & people.
The content informs the conversation in every fandom, man. Guys, the simple fact is that the convo is galvanizing because of the content.

I understand that, but that's a very different topic. I know certain talk is inevitable when it comes to various fandoms. I'm not talking about the Marvel threads, the Star Wars threads, and so on. I think it's fair to say a great many of us do indeed share an actual interest in those topics and of course, we're going to talk about the elephant in the room. But Bros? I've seen the trailer to that movie at least 3 times this year when going to the theater and not once have I felt compelled to talk about it nor did I feel attacked in any kind of way by it. It's simply not for me.

[Andrew NDB]

But Bros? I've seen the trailer to that movie at least 3 times this year when going to the theater and not once have I felt compelled to talk about it nor did I feel attacked in any kind of way by it. It's simply not for me.

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[Leo656]

I do agree with this 100%. This is 100% true.

On that note when is your next MOTU O video? I get a kick out of your MOTU O thrills..... 8)

Working on it actually! :lol: My wife does the editing whenever she feels like so we are legit like 6 or 7 videos behind. I did a video on some Masters of WWE Universe figures like 4 months ago but she hasn't gotten to it yet. I nag her every day about it but she also edits the match videos for the shows I'm on so she's always kinda swamped. We'll get to it. I REALLY need her to get to the MOTU Origins and Masterverse stuff though because it's all in totes still in the package and I need to open it all ASAP before I drown in it.

People will be informed.

[Leo656]

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The "and" is that it is unhealthy to be SO obsessed with things that 1. You were never the audience for and 2. You never had any interest in seeing to begin with.

I know you're not big on therapy or counseling but ANY mental health professional would immediately tell you and several others here that your behavior is in fact deleterious to your own mental health.

To borrow a quote from myself, "Just SAYING 'I don't care' and then bitching a ton about a thing isn't how it works. You have to ACTUALLY Not Care and some of y'all care A LOT when you shouldn't."

"So many gay folks in movies and TV now!" is just this generation's "Can you believe they have to put colored folk in EVERY movie nowadays!" One would think we'd all be self-aware enough NOT to replicate the same behaviors we make fun of our grandparents for. Yet here we are.

[IndigoErth]

Go the f*ck outside.But I did! It was cold.

[Coola Yagami]

The "and" is that it is unhealthy to be SO obsessed with things that 1. You were never the audience for and 2. You never had any interest in seeing to begin with.

I know you're not big on therapy or counseling but ANY mental health professional would immediately tell you and several others here that your behavior is in fact deleterious to your own mental health.

To borrow a quote from myself, "Just SAYING 'I don't care' and then bitching a ton about a thing isn't how it works. You have to ACTUALLY Not Care and some of y'all care A LOT when you shouldn't."

"So many gay folks in movies and TV now!" is just this generation's "Can you believe they have to put colored folk in EVERY movie nowadays!" One would think we'd all be self-aware enough NOT to replicate the same behaviors we make fun of our grandparents for. Yet here we are.

Wait wait. Hold on. THEY'RE PUTTING COLORED FOLK IN MOVIES NOWADAYS??????

[Andrew NDB]

The "and" is that it is unhealthy to be SO obsessed with things that 1. You were never the audience for and 2. You never had any interest in seeing to begin with.

People keep throwing around words like "obsessed" and "losing your mind over ____." Stop doing that. Is that what you guys do in the day to day? Because it's not what I do in the day to day. You and Turo are, like, obsessed with me being obsessed. And I'm not, remotely. Though you tell me which of the two behaviors sounds like the more unhealthy predilection.

I know you're not big on therapy or counseling but ANY mental health professional would immediately tell you and several others here that your behavior is in fact deleterious to your own mental health.

No offense -- and I'm not pointing any fingers -- but looking to any Technodrome members for medical or worse yet mental advice would probably be one of the biggest imaginable mistakes someone could make. I think it's pretty safe to wager.

[Turo602]

I've never once claimed you were obsessed. Yet you seem to be fighting against that narrative pretty hard for some odd reason. Like you know what you're doing looks bad and unhealthy, yet try to justify it with a "sh*t eating grin" like it makes the behavior more acceptable.

[IMJ]

I understand that, but that's a very different topic. I know certain talk is inevitable when it comes to various fandoms. I'm not talking about the Marvel threads, the Star Wars threads, and so on. I think it's fair to say a great many of us do indeed share an actual interest in those topics and of course, we're going to talk about the elephant in the room. But Bros? I've seen the trailer to that movie at least 3 times this year when going to the theater and not once have I felt compelled to talk about it nor did I feel attacked in any kind of way by it. It's simply not for me.

Okay, see I appreciate this response. It clarifies things for me - and in that clarification yeah I agree with you.

For example, when you were hashing it out with Andrew I wasn't clear that your point was on that movie, or even that your point was so specific to that example. I thought we were entering that "stop pushing back on woke $#!(" phase of a blanket statement.

But you know what? I hear you on your point specific to the "Bros" flick above. And in that regard I hear you even on how that could be a blanket example of "dude it's not for me, who cares about it to talk about it then". That's the truth, I hear you. But the discerning reader will also know that I don't really assault that stuff out of spite - I go in on the commentary when I link it to behavior or manipulation, etc.

But yeah. I do see your point. I asked for clarification man because many Dromers - especially those who ran to the Discord - they don't compute nuance, you know?

[Vegita-San]

The "and" is that it is unhealthy to be SO obsessed with things that 1. You were never the audience for and 2. You never had any interest in seeing to begin with.

I know you're not big on therapy or counseling but ANY mental health professional would immediately tell you and several others here that your behavior is in fact deleterious to your own mental health.

To borrow a quote from myself, "Just SAYING 'I don't care' and then bitching a ton about a thing isn't how it works. You have to ACTUALLY Not Care and some of y'all care A LOT when you shouldn't."

"So many gay folks in movies and TV now!" is just this generation's "Can you believe they have to put colored folk in EVERY movie nowadays!" One would think we'd all be self-aware enough NOT to replicate the same behaviors we make fun of our grandparents for. Yet here we are.

this is just a blanket statement from someone who really doesn't care. But, for those of us who do, we want to preserve what works...Legends are around for a reason. They resonate with you no matter what background you are from.

A person from 200 years in the future could relate to our version of batman just as we did today. And if we travelled to the future, he should STILL be the same relatable character, albeit slightly adapted to fit the future. However, if the left destroys that narrative, because they are not creatives who can tell good stories, nor do they care too, those life lessons are gone and forgotten about because no one cares anymore. that's not good.

if you don't care, that's fine. your prerogative. if others care enough to try and preserve and fight for what they like, that's their prerogative . if we where all like you, the world would be a rather boring (or is it scary? ) place :).

[Turo602]

if others care enough to try and preserve and fight for what they like, that's their prerogative .

Go fight on Twitter then. That's where all the creators are at that will listen to the loud public opinion and shape their work around. Screaming into the void of a dead echo chamber forum literally accomplishes nothing.

[Leo656]

Wait wait. Hold on. THEY'RE PUTTING COLORED FOLK IN MOVIES NOWADAYS??????

I forgot that the electricity in Mexico is spotty, senor. :lol:

[Leo656]

Andrew: Having gone through "the system" and learning to recognize my own bad behaviors is what makes it so easy to see them in others.

Saying "I'm NOT obsessed!" over and over isn't how it works. You ARE obsessed with "the woke agenda" because it is 99% of ALL you talk about here anymore. You start threads about stuff you were never gonna watch, you talk a ton about stuff you hate... That is textbook obsessive behavior. I'm telling you this in the hopes that you might take steps to recognize and correct. Insisting "But I'm NOT obsessed tho!" is no different from someone who can't stop coughing insisting they don't actually have a cold. Denial changes nothing. Sometimes we don't realize we're acting a certain way until we've been informed. Also, no person with an unhealthy obsession EVER admits to it because we all KNOW obsession is an unhealthy state of mind.

So, you've been informed. How you react is up to you. I must say, "No I'm not!" is disappointing. Evidence strongly suggests otherwise.

Vegeta: Nah, y'all mufukka's pathetic. Wailing impotently (f*cking auto-correct) every day as if you can punch out the ocean. You're officially the Old Men Yelling At Clouds you like to poke fun at.

The Batman of Today has next to nothing in common with 1939 Batman so your example in trying to illustrate your point is shoddy. Stuff lasts a while, sure. But it NEVER stays static, it always changes, and EVERY generation insists that the stuff coming out Now is garbage. Again, y'all are turning into Memes with this sh*t. It's sad. Be productive in life, don't waste it screaming about the Woke Bogeyman. You're allowed to abandon old hobbies and pursuits and take up new ones. It's part of life, just embrace it.

[IMJ]

But, for those of us who do, we want to preserve what works...Legends are around for a reason. They resonate with you no matter what background you are from.

Poetic!

Go fight on Twitter then. That's where all the creators are at that will listen to the loud public opinion and shape their work around. Screaming into the void of a dead echo chamber forum literally accomplishes nothing.

Eh, arguably we did accomplish something. Sure, the board is more of that echo-chamber that everyone loves to tagline nowadays, but before several of us pushed back hard it was an echo-chamber of misguided rage in support of public displays of destruction, and furthermore was this by a vocal and widely uninformed group. Many of those people were part of the new-hate - where they hated a hater but the catch was they were scarlet lettering anyone they hated as a hater in order to hate on them. So I don't miss those mf'ers at all.

I mean look at it now - several of us are pushing ideas back and forth in this thread like regular people, and even in disagreement and it's not even remotely the $#!(show that it was. Most of the worst offenders and tail-riders went over to discord. Just something to consider.

I mean the worst it got here in this convo was f'n Leo buggin' up as he bristled over with potential "mod ban power" for God's sake. :lol::lol::P:D I mean you guys are annoyed at pointing out woke $#!(, but for God's sake get a grip even on that - going on about woke $#!( is still a viable issue, whereas the old guard here were counter-culture @$$holes who just pushed general life-anger about anything they could call "bad" as if they were the educated elite or something. I'd call pushing back on them an accomplishment in terms of social groups.

[CyberCubed]

*reads the last several pages*

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[Vegita-San]

the more people tell me not to do something, and use insults along with it, the more apt I am to continue doing it, because I know i'm on the right track.

As IMJ pointed out, this place was an echo chamber of left wing nonsense thanks to Voltron where people didn't talk as much. It's ALOT more open now.
that was worth fighting back for. I can come here now, and try and find out what's really going on in the world, as sad as that is considering that is supposed to be the MSM's job.. you can disagree, just don't be a jerk about it.

[neatoman]

Question, has anyone here ever actually cared about Kanye West or thought his work outweighed the fact that he's a walking meme? The first time I can even remember hearing about this guy doing anything was him interrupting Taylor Swift's award speech just to say Beyoncé should have won instead, him pulling a dick move like that reached my attention before any of his songs. To this day, I find South Park's "Gay Fish" song to be far better and more memorable than any real Kanye West song, including the one Gay Fish makes fun of.

[Andrew NDB]

No, never cared about Kanye. He had a couple of singles that were memorable before he became a walking mental health avatar. His latest behavior shouldn't be anything overly surprising. He should not be allowed to be on TV and should be getting help.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm still confused why he was all covered up on that podcast like he was PatBat Riddler or something.

[IMJ]

Question, has anyone here ever actually cared about Kanye West or thought his work outweighed the fact that he's a walking meme?

Yeah. I mean - who are this guy's fans?

He's somehow managed to build a branded small-empire on his name and music, but I don't know that I could even tell you the name of a Kanye song or that I even remember hearing one on the radio. I have no idea what he thinks he's doing on this interview tour though. Maybe he thinks he's generating "press" but it really just looks like he's going around destroying everything he's built by sharing his observations and beliefs.

No, never cared about Kanye. He had a couple of singles that were memorable before he became a walking mental health avatar. His latest behavior shouldn't be anything overly surprising. He should not be allowed to be on TV and should be getting help.

Right? But it's weird though because this clown has somehow managed to maneuver into millions of dollars, maneuver his name into branding, and even managed to maneuver into Kim Kardashian's bedroom. So even amidst the guy's folly, look at what he's pulled off. It's like... wtf?

[IndigoErth]

this place was an echo chamber
Blinded by bias, huh? It's still one. And of nonsense.

[ChosenOne]

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Normal people can't form an echo chamber, only leftists can.

[The Deadman]

I'm still confused why he was all covered up on that podcast like he was PatBat Riddler or something.

Cause he thinks people are actually out to either kill him or throw him in jail.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I'm still confused why he was all covered up on that podcast like he was PatBat Riddler or something.

“Bring out the gimp.”

Sorry, couldn’t resist. :lol:

Cause he thinks people are actually out to either kill him or throw him in jail.

…but they already know that it’s him behind the mask.

[ChosenOne]

…but they already know that it’s him behind the mask.

Worst Masked Singer contestant ever

[IndigoErth]

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Normal people can't form an echo chamber, only leftists can.
How many dead brain cells does it even require to believe that.

[ChosenOne]

How many dead brain cells does it even require to believe that.

If that level of projection ever works, you might consider moving on to astral. There could be a breakthrough in the cards for human spirituality all thanks to you! ;)

[Jester]

Echo chambers know no political persuasion. People on the right or left can get lost in them all you need is voices that reinforce whichever bias you have. Before it wasn't an echo chamber. There were people on both sides speaking to issues. Voltron was a lot of things but he wasn't some ringleader of a left-wing echo chamber. I feel like it has sadly tipped the other way now though...and sadly my light hand has been the cause, enboldening antisemitism and cries of pedophile when someone dares disagree.

Sure...only Leftists can produce echo chambers...

[Andrew NDB]

Sure...only Leftists can produce echo chambers...

In the grander stage they really do, like, on a massive scale but... *sigh* OK. I just see 99.9% more people on the right forced into echo chambers they didn't want and fought against. Yet, there they are. Meanwhile, the people on the left are lighting fireworks and celebrating the echo chambers they've created. Banning 50 FB members while they were shouting "Amazing! Congratulations!" type posts. You don't see this from the other side.

Voltron was a lot of things but he wasn't some ringleader of a left-wing echo chamber.

Ah. OK. I think I understand super clearly now. I'll do my best to not offend the "users" here.

Please proceed. You as the sole standing representative of the Techndrome forums management. OK, let me satisfy this weird shadow movement here. I hereby pledge to only post updates about "The Shredder" and only that, or any fan-projects I'm involved with tangentially. Will that satisfy you, as the current person in charge of the Drome (obviously there is someone upstairs, but in lieu of said person)? I honestly don't care. I mean, whatever makes you happy. I have other things to do. This whole thing with Leo and whoever else is getting super shady and I'm more than OK with tapping out. Also, this is super silly. Here begins the renaissance, yes?

[Jester]

Yes Andrew this is all a deep state conspiracy to target specifically you.

No, that is not the case. As the lone moderator (emphasize on moderate) I'm trying to keep the forum on an even keel where people of all stripes can talk. But lately it does seem to have become one sided with only mainly voices on the right feeling safe to speak.

Heck, I consider myself Center-Right. But when conversations devolve into calling people pedophiles on a regular basis...or an -ist or -phobe on the other side it isn't productive. It also waters down those pejoratives.

[Sumac]

Ah. OK. I think I understand super clearly now. I'll do my best to not offend the "users" here.
Don't become a drama queen, please, you're better than that.

[Vegita-San]

Voltron was absolutely a left wing ring leader on here. he only let things go a few posts and then locked the thread or banned a user. That's not the way to go.

That being said, you can ABSOLUTELY have a right wing echo chamber. I don't want that either. I want my ideas to be questioned with LOGICAL arguments that make me re think my position. This happens alot more now thanks to Jester. And I am glad to have a more moderate place to go too where I am free to speak my mind and opinions.

Also, that being said, the left wing echo chamber is louder, it's filled with insults more than discussions, and it's just plain crazier these days. and most opinions from the left tend to be npc ones. they just regurgitate what the hive mind is saying. that doesn't help.

For instance, someone on the right posted an image claiming to be the democrats storming the Senate (?) to protest the confirming of kavenaugh. wondering why more people didn't call that an insurrection. was about to retweet that, when I saw someone from the left showing it was from a different event a few years earlier. I'd like more of that. rather than insults and 'you're the problem'...or just plain ignoring facts people can't dispute.

[Coola Yagami]

I will smash and destroy for Octopus Inc......

[FredWolfLeonardo]

As an employee of Octopus Inc., you have only one concern.

Unquestioning Obedience!

[The Deadman]

Don't become a drama queen, please, you're better than that.

Too late for that

[IMJ]

Voltron was absolutely a left wing ring leader on here. he only let things go a few posts and then locked the thread or banned a user. That's not the way to go.

That being said, you can ABSOLUTELY have a right wing echo chamber. I don't want that either. I want my ideas to be questioned with LOGICAL arguments that make me re think my position. This happens alot more now thanks to Jester. And I am glad to have a more moderate place to go too where I am free to speak my mind and opinions.

Also, that being said, the left wing echo chamber is louder, it's filled with insults more than discussions, and it's just plain crazier these days. and most opinions from the left tend to be npc ones. they just regurgitate what the hive mind is saying. that doesn't help.

I'm going to ask you guys - everyone here reading this thread - to read these four paragraphs, even if you think it's a "wall of text". Especially the end.

Vegita-sans post here basically -ahem- echoes my sentiments exactly.

Here's the question to ask internally - if people started trickling in who weren't meeting all of their opposition by calling them an "ist" or a "phobe" would we have pushed back so strongly in the first place? What about if this place had people posting with an emotional quotient higher than 0 - meaning those people who have nothing to add other than elitist eyeroll responses, or 100% snarky-prodding in lieu of any real wisdom? The answer is that we wouldn't have had to push back so strongly. And so it actually was never about "leftists" and "conservatives" here, but rather about maladaptive-people deconstructing the lives of regular people.

And I'm sorry Jester, but this place was a liberal-rage echo-chamber at the peak of it. For years the Drome forums became a sewer that wasn't for well-adjusted TMNT fans or even for kids who love their Turtles. It became a farm for maladaptive weirdos who wore their socio-political anger on their sleeve and were happy to burn people at the stake. And they got their psychological-turmoil further shaken when we finally held a mirror to them and they ran off to discord along with one of the forums aforementioned elitist eyerollers.

But regular people, left and right, who don't carry a dirt-ditch attitude should feel free to post here. And so Jester, I agree with you on that man. I do. We should and can have a fleshed out group here - but there is some credibility to Andrew's concerns, man. You disregarded his points there as "conspiracy" but I am concerned with your assessment of what should comprise that group given what you had to say here in this thread, as well as some of the posts and actions we've seen in the last week. For example, you say you're relatively centered, I know that I'm relatively centered but you're making statements that you feel only right-leaners feel "safe" to speak here. Feel. Safe. To speak. I mean that's hardly the end of the world, but Andrew's concerns aren't unwarranted.

I want to say to everyone here though - we have had a lot of internal banter the last week. A lot of internal opposition, but if you look at how this is unfolding - it's unfolding like constructive-deconstruction. And I'm going to ignore Deadmans post immediately above mine when I say that we didn't the ability to do this at all on these boards when the eyerollers and life-angry were posting constantly in the past. So keep the opinions and some of the argument coming - just don't f it up with Napolean Dynamite-ego or some kind of power play. I'm telling you those of us here are in a good place for this current argument - let it happen.

[member_removed]

Echo chambers know no political persuasion. People on the right or left can get lost in them all you need is voices that reinforce whichever bias you have. Before it wasn't an echo chamber. There were people on both sides speaking to issues. Voltron was a lot of things but he wasn't some ringleader of a left-wing echo chamber. I feel like it has sadly tipped the other way now though...and sadly my light hand has been the cause, enboldening antisemitism and cries of pedophile when someone dares disagree.

Sure...only Leftists can produce echo chambers...

I think the 24 cable news cycle has a lot of blame.

Both CNN and FOX are just talking heads already preaching to the converted.
No news, just opinions and we all know what those and assholes have in common.

[IMJ]

I think the 24 cable news cycle has a lot of blame.

Both CNN and FOX are just talking heads already preaching to the converted.
No news, just opinions and we all know what those assholes have in common.

I think there was a lot more than that going on stirring-up targeted groups. Twitter campaigns and so on at the grassroots level. Very curious actually to see what info-dump comes out of Elon Musk combing through the Twitter records and data.

[Mayhem]

Ten ton of bots apparently.

And I agree with Jester, echo chambers can appear on any side, but all I generally see are right wing ones online, and I'm definitely not in an echo chamber (despite their radically differing views, both here and in the US, I have friends on all sides of the political spectrum, it's the only way to understand opposing viewpoints and where people are coming from). If people complain about being forced out of conventional media and that's why they exist, maybe perhaps it's due to some of the stuff you post...? :ohwell:

(although I will say, the people I know who post about returning from FB jail, it's about 50:50 between which side of the political divide they are on, so it isn't just a ban the right wingers thing here)

Of course Trump won't go back to Twitter, it would be admission of the failure of Truth Social (headline, it already is a failure and a total hardline right wing echo chamber unsurprisingly).

[Coola Yagami]

Ten ton of bots apparently.

And I agree with Jester, echo chambers can appear on any side, but all I generally see are right wing ones online, and I'm definitely not in an echo chamber (despite their radically differing views, both here and in the US, I have friends on all sides of the political spectrum, it's the only way to understand opposing viewpoints and where people are coming from). If people complain about being forced out of conventional media and that's why they exist, maybe perhaps it's due to some of the stuff you post...? :ohwell:

(although I will say, the people I know who post about returning from FB jail, it's about 50:50 between which side of the political divide they are on, so it isn't just a ban the right wingers thing here)

Of course Trump won't go back to Twitter, it would be admission of the failure of Truth Social (headline, it already is a failure and a total hardline right wing echo chamber unsurprisingly).

It would have to be. Any leftist would never want to be caught dead in there. Do you think a woke leftist would want the scarlet letter of having a Truth Social Account to be found out?

[Leo656]

To Whom It May Concern (And You Know Who You Are)...

I'M not the one telling Banned users how to stalk/harass the Staff on their Real-Life FB pages during their family time, so kindly don't accuse ME of being "shady". That right there is Scumbag Sh*t and you oughta know better and be ashamed of yourself.

[IMJ]

To Whom It May Concern (And You Know Who You Are)...

I'M not the one telling Banned users how to stalk/harass the Staff on their Real-Life FB pages during their family time, so kindly don't accuse ME of being "shady". That right there is Scumbag Sh*t and you oughta know better and be ashamed of yourself.

:teek::teek:

I feel like this came out of left field... :teek:

That sounds like some real Dromer $#!( there though. Cut me outta that convo.....

[Leo656]

Not "left field" at all. Someone who oughta know better told one of the recently Banned members how to contact Jester in "real life" so they could whine about being Banned. Invasion of personal privacy and borderline "member harassment" in my opinion. Either way, not cool.

Andrew meanwhile brought my name up adjacent to such-and-such "being shady", and so I'm like "Nah dawg, not even." I'm wide-open with my mission: people here have proven they can't discuss politics without it turning foul, it's supposed to be verboten anyway and it's driven away far too many decent people (and NO, it's NOT just "the Libtards"). So I'm doing my part, like Powder and others before me, to restore the balance. This is not a political forum; if there's no TMNT conversation to sustain it then it should be shut down, end of story.

So yeah if wanting to see the posted rules enforced is "shady" then y'all need a new thesaurus. And also I'm not the one telling people how to stalk and harass the staff. That Person is lucky they're so well-regarded because people HAVE been Banned in the past for that kinda thing as well.

[Vegita-San]

:teek::teek:

I feel like this came out of left field... :teek:

That sounds like some real Dromer $#!( there though. Cut me outta that convo.....

agreed. also sounds kind of left in shutting down a conversation because you don't like how it's going.

that being said, doxing is not cool

[IMJ]

So I'm doing my part, like Powder and others before me, to restore the balance.

I understand where you are coming from. But I just think you are overcompensating.... a lot..... in your assessment of where it's at. The point I made in 135, for example, about Jester saying that he was centered and my declaration that I'm "centered" and so on - was that observing and then calling out societies trend for "woke $#!(" does not make a place a "right wing echo chamber". I'm asking you guys to look at your perception of that because it's nonsense.

Let's say for a moment that there is an issue regarding openly inviting left-of-center posters to speak up here. If there is, it's hardly done by the framework that yourself and Jester are saying it is. Not even close.

For example, we didn't hold a mirror up to the forum lefties because of their opinions. We did it because of their personalities - they were rotten $#!(bags. If we get some deeply liberal opinions here that aren't from $#!(bags or that don't reek of nothing more than "projected life-anger" then there is hardly going to be the same level of pushback. It's a simple calculus, Leo.

agreed. also sounds kind of left in shutting down a conversation because you don't like how it's going.

that being said, doxing is not cool

Yeah it kind of does sound that way. But above, at least, I'm just going to address Leo's position on it's own merits.

[Leo656]

Yeah, Cylons and Prowler and DarkFell and a bunch more are "rotten sh*tbags" and that's why they hate this place now. Sure.:roll:

Machias, the best Mod this place ever had, was a "rotten sh*tbag." Had NOTHING to do with the pervasive bad attitudes around here for the past few years at all.

[IMJ]

Yeah, Cylons and Prowler and DarkFell and a bunch more are "rotten sh*tbags" and that's why they hate this place now. Sure.:roll:

Machias, the best Mod this place ever had, was a "rotten sh*tbag." Had NOTHING to do with the pervasive bad attitudes around here for the past few years at all.

Uh. Well yeah that was my point. Leo - my opinion on it is that we pushed back on the people with the pervasive bad attitudes. But you know what? Those posters you mentioned above? PM 'em and tell them that the main problem-people all fled 100% or now hang out on discord. So Cylon and Darkfell should feel free to come back and join a more normalized discussion, even if people disagree with them. Prowler still posts here routinely and we have normal discussions without the aforementioned problem-people lurking.

I might be making "$#!(bag blanket statements" but that's obviously about the worst offenders who were here (and a few still are) and got pushed out. I don't even remember Machias making a post since before we pushed back anyway, and I am clearly not talking about the onlookers you mentioned.

And for the record man - all I'm going to say is that there could be people here that you are championing for who might not like you as much as you think. Don't be their patsy, brother. There are a lot more Dromer's here who I've worked with on sales and have supported my LLC - probably more than any single one of you reading this would have guessed. And I respect and appreciate the business support from every single one of them - and we aren't talking about two or three people here. But there's always chatter, even if it's a one-liner in an address/payment exchange. Don't think for a second that the "silent party" is comprised of people who want you to white knight for them given the userbase outcomes here.

[Turo602]

For example, we didn't hold a mirror up to the forum lefties because of their opinions. We did it because of their personalities - they were rotten $#!(bags. If we get some deeply liberal opinions here that aren't from $#!(bags or that don't reek of nothing more than "projected life-anger" then there is hardly going to be the same level of pushback. It's a simple calculus, Leo.

I'm sorry, but this is pure bullsh*t right here. Listen, I have no problem with you and based on all of our recent interactions, you seem like a decent dude, even if we don't 100% see eye to eye. But you and you alone just about made me give up posting in the toy section with your sh*tbag behavior.

I got into collecting NECAs about a couple of years ago, thought the collecting subforum would be a great resource and fun place to contribute without all the "projected life anger" of the general discussion but f*ck me for liking a figure, right? That was somehow a cause for attacking me because toys are such SERIOUS business... Not so much as an apology, no mod acknowledgement, nope. It was all just deleted and swept under the rug, life goes on for the protected.

That's the kinda sh*t that put me off back in the day about the video game section and well, the excuse that gamers are just assholes seems to apply to everyone now. Something clearly needs to change.

[IMJ]

I'm sorry, but this is pure bullsh*t right here. Listen, I have no problem with you and based on all of our recent interactions, you seem like a decent dude, even if we don't 100% see eye to eye. But you and you alone just about made me give up posting in the toy section with your sh*tbag behavior.

I got into collecting NECAs about a couple of years ago, thought the collecting subforum would be a great resource and fun place to contribute without all the "projected life anger" of the general discussion but f*ck me for liking a figure, right? That was somehow a cause for attacking me because toys are such SERIOUS business... Not so much as an apology, no mod acknowledgement, nope. It was all just deleted and swept under the rug, life goes on for the protected.

That's the kinda sh*t that put me off back in the day about the video game section and well, the excuse that gamers are just assholes seems to apply to everyone now. Something clearly needs to change.

I definitely have opinions on NECA's operating model, and openly have opinions on the boutique toys markets - I talk about it all the time. But blatantly $#!((ing on someone because they like a toy is not even remotely how I operate.

And so I don't know the thread you are talking about, but I know myself to the core and it doesn't even make sense that I would crap on you for "liking" a figure even if I didn't like it.

So I'm gonna say this first part and you aren't going to like it - but maybe you misunderstood something I was getting at or misinterpreted it. But the second part is simple - if I somehow actually did crap on you for liking a toy? Then I'm sorry for doing that and it's more likely I was making some kind of bigger point and got lost in doing so in the post. $#!((ing o people for what they like isn't my thing. Maybe I was ranting about NECA's model or something and it came out that way, but I'm hardly the guy, like some of these other guys, who $#!( on people for liking say "BST AXN" or something like that, man.

[Vegita-San]

pretty convenient that it was all deleted. post proof or it didn't happen. I highly doubt ANYONE on here is protected. especially not a 'right winger' when this place was more a left leaning haven.

Machias, as I recall, was basically voltron 1.0. then we have that other guy around here who drops in once every 2 years, expects people to remember him, acts like an iron fist of bluster, and then vanishes for another two years. had no idea who he even was, and I've been here for just about 20.

as for the other people you brought up, pretty sure at least two are on my ignore list. and I only do that if people are un reasonable jerks. or a cubed ;o).

[Turo602]

I definitely have opinions on NECA and openly have opinions on the boutique toys markets - I talk about it all the time. But blatantly $#!((ing on someone because they like a toy is not even remotely how I operate.

And so I don't know the thread you are talking about, but I know myself to the core and it doesn't even make sense that I would crap on you for "liking" a figure even if I didn't like it.

So I'm gonna say this first part and you aren't going to like it - but maybe you misunderstood something I was getting at or misinterpreted it. But the second part is simple - if I somehow actually did crap on you for liking a toy? Then I'm sorry for doing that and it's more likely I was making some kind of bigger point and got lost in doing so in the post. $#!((ing o people for what they like isn't my thing. Maybe I was ranting about NECA's model or something and it came out that way, but I'm hardly the guy, like some of these other guys, who $#!( on people for liking say "BST AXN" or something like that, man.

Believe me, there was hardly a misunderstanding. I remember it quite vividly as it was the first time you as a member had made any sort of impression on me and it wasn't good. I had made a comment about liking Super Shredder and you responded quite fairly and then I did as well, and from there you felt the need to start dunking on me with a clever picture and personal attacks which I didn't take kindly to and then poof, gone. Posts deleted without a single word.

It 100% happened. I know you think you know yourself, but maybe instead of pointing that mirror at others, try pointing it at yourself first. We all lose our way at one point or another and let the worst of ourselves out when we shouldn't. I know I'm guilty of this too and I'm not bringing this up because I think you should be punished for it. But I do think we need stricter moderation. We can point fingers all day long over who left over what member, but what's done is done. But rules can be set, rules can be enforced, and people can either change with them or reveal themselves for the problem they always were.

pretty convenient that it was all deleted. post proof or it didn't happen. I highly doubt ANYONE on here is protected. especially not a 'right winger' when this place was more a left leaning haven.

Jester has deleted many things in the past that he didn't want cluttering the forum. Sounds convenient for both of us.

But on the subject of protection, 1987 and Maczaps being around for as long as they've been sounds pretty protected. It was that very protection that enabled their behavior to get as bad as it did and while they don't get the sole credit for it, it's this protection/lack of enforcement that has made this forum deteriorate.

Not the liberals, not the right wingers, but lack of accountability. The people here are not equipped to discuss politics, let alone Ninja Turtles, because politics isn't the issue. The people here are just assholes and like the video game subsection in the past, have been given free rein to be assholes.

[IMJ]

Believe me, there was hardly a misunderstanding. I remember it quite vividly as it was the first time you as a member had made any sort of impression on me and it wasn't good. I had made a comment about liking Super Shredder and you responded quite fairly and then I did as well, and from there you felt the need to start dunking on me with a clever picture and personal attacks which I didn't take kindly to and then poof, gone. Posts deleted without a single word.

It 100% happened. I know you think you know yourself, but maybe instead of pointing that mirror at others, try pointing it at yourself first. We all lose our way at one point or another and let the worst of ourselves out when we shouldn't. I know I'm guilty of this too and I'm not bringing this up because I think you should be punished for it. But I do think we need stricter moderation. We can point fingers all day long over who left over what member, but what's done is done. But rules can be set, rules can be enforced, and people can either change with them or reveal themselves for the problem they always were.

Well, either way, maybe you are right. Maybe we do need some framework of deeper rule enforcement. As for everything else, it'd be easier to use that mirror if I could actually see the example you are talking about. But again, if I did chastise you or hurt your feelings over fandom towards a Super Shredder toy, then I apologize. That's the truth.

But on the subject of protection, 1987 and Maczaps being around for as long as they've been sounds pretty protected.

Nah, that wasn't moderator protection. That was moderator tolerance.

Not the liberals, not the right wingers, but lack of accountability. The people here are not equipped to discuss politics, let alone Ninja Turtles, because politics isn't the issue. The people here are just assholes and like the video game subsection in the past, have been given free rein to be assholes.

This is interesting because this is what I've actually been saying. Odd then that you and I are at odds here at this moment in time.

[Jester]

Did some digging and I have 2 old emails reporting the posts from the NECA thread (from December of 2020, right?). I should have called out the bad actors before just deleting the offending posts completely, and for that Turo, I apologize.

[Vegita-San]

Not the liberals, not the right wingers, but lack of accountability. The people here are not equipped to discuss politics, let alone Ninja Turtles, because politics isn't the issue. The people here are just assholes and like the video game subsection in the past, have been given free rein to be assholes.

totally false. once we got rid of the extreme left wingers, things stay pretty moderated on here. self moderated or otherwise.

usually people of a certain persuasion are the aggressors and insulters and hoping things get shut down.

I've never seen IMJ attack anyone either...although I don't visit the TMNT sections much anymore. but considering how easily some people are offended these days, I wouldn't be surprised to have it be a overblown misunderstanding.

[IMJ]

Did some digging and I have 2 old emails reporting the posts from the NECA thread (from December of 2020, right?). I should have called out the bad actors before just deleting the offending posts completely, and for that Turo, I apologize.

Jester, can you send me those screen caps? I'd like to see the extent of my post there. Like I said, I don't remember the details of something dug up from a couple years back and I've apologized for something that still has no contextual-reality for me.

But how about you let me see that material and then I can finish clearing the air over it. If I see the reality of it, then I'll own it in the discussion here.

[Jester]

That's just it...the posts are gone. All I have are the 2 report emails from two other members not Turo himself. And I can only assume I was the mod who did it because I think it happened after Voltron lost his mod powers.
One report says: This guy's just getting rude and ridiculous... I don't like reporting people, but this dude is just belittling this other guy over semantics.
The other just says, "so unnecessary."

[IMJ]

That's just it...the posts are gone. All I have are the 2 report emails from two other members not Turo himself. And I can only assume I was the mod who did it because I think it happened after Voltron lost his mod powers.
One report says: This guy's just getting rude and ridiculous... I don't like reporting people, but this dude is just belittling this other guy over semantics.
The other just says, "so unnecessary."

I understand. Can you PM me those screen caps where it points me out? I really want to understand this.

And again, on that note if at some point I was unnecessarily, rudely and ridiculously belittling Turo over what was otherwise a normal conversation about a Super Shredder toy, then I apologize. Unfortunately we have nothing tangible to go by for me to address "why" anything was said or even what whatever was said could have "meant".

Hence the problem with dredging up material from years back in this manner, guys. It invents a need for impossible-to-fill-accountability over conversation - be it good or bad.

And again, even with nothing tangible to go by here, I'm apologizing for hurting Turo's feelings two years ago when discussing the toys. He has clearly harbored thoughts about our convo for two years now and I'd like him to be able to put those emotions to bed.

[Jester]

None of the messages mentioned you specifically by name I'm assuming because they thought the post itself would inform me of who they were talking about.

PM me your email address and I will send you screen caps of the bodies of those emails (so as to keep the reporters anonymous) because it doesn't look like you can send attachments through PMs.

[Coola Yagami]

None of the messages mentioned you specifically by name I'm assuming because they thought the post itself would inform me of who they were talking about.

PM me your email address and I will send you screen caps of the bodies of those emails (so as to keep the reporters anonymous) because it doesn't look like you can send attachments through PMs.

I'm not sure I want screen caps of the body of the emails, but I do welcome all screen caps of the body of that there channel 6 news reporter that was most likely hot on this case.

[Turo602]

It was on page 55 of the Walmart Exclusive thread. What's there looks like a pretty normal back and forth, so I don't know if that'll jog your memory. But as Jester has pointed out, the rest was deleted so unfortunately there's nothing else I or anyone else can do personally to remind you. I don't even know if you saw my last reply or if you even responded to it, but all I know, is by the time I got back to it, the exchange was gone. I appreciate Jester looking into it once more and thank you both for the apology.

But I do want to make one thing clear, it's nothing new to me, so trust me, my feelings weren't hurt. Nor did I bring this up so I can get an apology, though I do greatly appreciate it, even more so that you lack the proper context and are still willing to take responsibility for it. Honestly, that means a lot. It's all water under the bridge to me and we've both had civil discussions since, which I admit, was odd to me after that first exchange.

But the reason I brought it up was to make a point that this attitude and behavior isn't exclusive to one party. It still exists and you yourself have been guilty of it and as a result, has kept me from posting in a section as freely as I'd like to. Not because my feelings were hurt, and I'm sure this goes for all the people that have since left this dump completely, but because there's just way better ways to spend my time than possibly agitating some asshole over toys or anything. I'm just too old for this sh*t, which is ironic because most of the people here are at least a decade older than me.

I've seen it all on the internet and I've dealt with every type of internet stereotype at one point or another. It's old and tiring and it's honestly a shame that it ever got as bad as it has on here. I haven't run away yet, but finding the energy to post around here is definitely difficult at times. This whole pointing fingers at liberals or right wingers, we need to let it f*cking go already. Politics destroyed this place, but it doesn't have to be the end of it. People just need to be mature, even if they're forced to by the rules.

[Vegita-San]

this is how mature adults handle it. and it's always nice to see, and I wish there was more of it in places like twitter. Most of the folks gone from here did NOT act this way, and that's why it's a much nicer place now. and hopefully stays that way for a long time to come.

The ONLY reason any of us really got into politics at all, was because it forced it's way into our material. Now, it's IMPOSSIBLE to get away from it by design.

The Drome didn't get ruined because we where into politics. the way politics forced itself into communities is where things get out of hand.

[IMJ]

None of the messages mentioned you specifically by name I'm assuming because they thought the post itself would inform me of who they were talking about.

PM me your email address and I will send you screen caps of the bodies of those emails (so as to keep the reporters anonymous) because it doesn't look like you can send attachments through PMs.

I appreciate your honesty there instead of continuing on context - glad I asked. Nah it's all here now in this thread. I'm over that one singular and dredged up from 2 years ago non-example that I've still apologized for.

-accused of something out of context for my normal patterns - just coming at a guy because I don't like a toy he likes? You guys can choose to believe I do that - but I don't.
-done in a thread that vanished because "oh IMJ was... protected"? By who? Certainly not f'n Voltron. And although I've never been at odds with Jester it's obvious that he's put off about the times I've had to galvanize myself against someone here. Jester has certainly never protected me on these boards. I don't have a problem with Jester, but don't make some mistake that I think he's ever been my ally - he hasn't.
-We find a complaint PM, but by association it must be me? I'm not named in this two year old "Post Report" though.

So look, I'll spell it out clearly - I'm not calling either one of you liars. But this is clearly a coordinated pushback that seems like "guilt by association" to me. There probably was a post of some kind. But I know how I think, I know what I do, and when I choose to do it - and I'd argue that Turo had his feelings hurt over nothing or that Turo said something somewhere that catalyzed whatever response he got from me.

What I do know is that in my entire life I don't think I could come up with even one example of myself literally bullying someone arbitrarily or being such a low-thought simp that I'd trash someone over something only because they "like something that I don't".

This fired shot from you guys in dredging up some two-year old, nothing burger post without real proof that I manhandled Turo in a blatant verbal assault. But I'll say it one last time - if I did something that hurt his feelings, I apologize for it. Now Turo - I've said it here several times. I said it authentically as well and I said it on good faith to whatever your now two-year old disdain for me is.

But I do want to make one thing clear, it's nothing new to me, so trust me, my feelings weren't hurt. Nor did I bring this up so I can get an apology, though I do greatly appreciate it, even more so that you lack the proper context and are still willing to take responsibility for it. Honestly, that means a lot. It's all water under the bridge to me and we've both had civil discussions since, which I admit, was odd to me after that first exchange

-edit-
Forget my last lines there, then. I just saw this. Right on.

this is how mature adults handle it. and it's always nice to see, and I wish there was more of it in places like twitter. Most of the folks gone from here did NOT act this way, and that's why it's a much nicer place now. and hopefully stays that way for a long time to come.

The ONLY reason any of us really got into politics at all, was because it forced it's way into our material. Now, it's IMPOSSIBLE to get away from it by design.

The Drome didn't get ruined because we where into politics. the way politics forced itself into communities is where things get out of hand.

Thanks for this. I'm sure somewhere there was a cohort of lurkers just eatin' this $#!( up not even having the capacity to understand how a guy like myself and a guy like Turo could banter, carry this on for three pages and both of us remain with enough tact and authenticity to still come out unscathed. And that lurker capacity I mentioned is my point about who I've been pushing back on in this place when I do it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Any leftist would never want to be caught dead in there. Do you think a woke leftist would want the scarlet letter of having a Truth Social Account to be found out?

Tim Pool is always inviting prominent leftists to his podcast so that they could express their own opinions on certain topics, and most of them end up chickening out. Of course, after receiving and rejecting the invitation, they continue to crap on him and call him a far-right bigot without any solid evidence to prove their statements.