Terminator 7

[Andrew NDB]

No, it's not actively in development but there are discussions. Also, Cameron would want it to focus more on the AI side of things.

https://comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/terminator/terminator-james-cameron-confirms-that-a-franchise-relaunch-is-being-discussed-a198493?fbclid=IwAR3ZcBqc-otimZKlS2c80xQaOgqJ1IZ05if5I2ro0C2nkTPfqRdl-ALh0lA#gs.b214.l47n3x

[member_removed]

Nope, I don't need this.

I paid to see Rise of the Machines, Salvation and Genesis. I was done after that.

I watched Dark Fate on streaming and felt absolutely justified I skipped it at the cinema.

Didn't each of Salvation, Genesis and Dark fate be intended to be the beginning of a new trilogy. I like to think of those 3 movies as the trilogy of failed trilogies.

I do like the idea of T1, T2 and Salvation being a trilogy that loops back around. In a never ending cycle of murder, mayhem, misery and war. Where Salvation acts as both sequel and prequel. If only Salvation had been better, I do think it this best of the non-Cameron films.

[TigerClaw]

Its unfortunately that they didn't continue on after Genisys, That one had a Skynet that came from an alternate timeline, a Skynet that took a humanoid form.
https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/T-5000

[newfan]

I saw a tweet about Cameron wanting to reboot the franchise, I've been interested in new Terminator movie news previously but I don't realy care now. I also don't like what they did to Connor in that last movie, felt like it made T2 all for nothing.

[Andrew NDB]

I saw a tweet about Cameron wanting to reboot the franchise, I've been interested in new Terminator movie news previously but I don't realy care now. I also don't like what they did to Connor in that last movie, felt like it made T2 all for nothing.

Of course. In the same way Genisys did "You guys liked T1 and T2, right? Well guest what? THEY NEVER HAPPENED now! Or happened radically differently, but don't matter now." Dark Fate went a step further as to even make SkyNET not matter. The machines in Dark Fate weren't connected to Cyberdyne or anything. Both made John Connor irrelevant, dead, or a villain. Which is a weird bit of pasta. In both cases, both playing to their fans while at the same time hurling poo at them with the same hand.

The best loop was what T3 introduced, whether intentionally or not. It created a self-perpetuating loop of two different Judgement Days. Forevermore. And perfectly. I've explained before but would gladly again... it's pretty straight stuff. But Terminator movies after T3 needed to avoid time travel like the plague. They didn't.

Genisys had two big things working against it: PG-13 and casting. Dark Fate had script and general premise (SkyNET doesn't matter and neither did anything in T1 and T2 even though we're supposedly honoring them. Also, we're really mad about border control so a lot of border patrol should die because it should be open). Which is a far bigger thing.

[Sumac]

So what's the point?
Terminator is known for, well, Terminators. Take it away and it would be just another generic story about machines uprising against humans.

I don't doubt, Cameron would be able to execute it well, but why tie it to the franchise that was beaten to death and beyond? He certainly have enough clout (so far) to make it work as a separate project. Unless he wants to show everyone how its done.

Though given track record of old creators returning to their stories (Ridley Scott and Alien, Shane Black and THE Predator) and given lukewarm reaction at Avatar 2, I have my doubts to be honest.

The best loop was what T3 introduced, whether intentionally or not. It created a self-perpetuating loop of two different Judgement Days. Forevermore. And perfectly. I've explained before but would gladly again... it's pretty straight stuff. But Terminator movies after T3 needed to avoid time travel like the plague. They didn't.
Can give you a cliff notes about your idea of a T3 timeloop, please?
I think, I might have read it, sometime ago, but it was too much time ago for me to recall it.

As for John Connor, I find it hilarious, that supposedly main character of the franchise, dies (or was supposed to die in OG script to Salvation) in all sequel movies. Its like writers are afraid of utilizing Connor in a straightforward manner and need constantly to do something to him. And if in T3 it was kinda justified and ultimately averted, in the rest of the movies it feels dumb. Its like telling the same joke over and over, just worse with each time.

I felt like Genisys had potential (if it was not for the shoddy casting and some out of place comedy). At least, if you still want to do something with time travel outside of "hunter and hunted" premise. Like this movie pretty much establishes SkyNet and "someone" playing time travel chess with terminators, kind of an interesting premise, if it was better executed.

There is also "Terminator Multiverse" established in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, so time travel in Terminator can be something more interesting. The problem is to use it right.

[Prowler]

I wasn't aware there were already 6 Terminator films. I thought there were only 3 or maybe 4 at best.

[Xav]

Though given track record of old creators returning to their stories (Ridley Scott and Alien, Shane Black and THE Predator) and given lukewarm reaction at Avatar 2, I have my doubts to be honest.How was Shane Black the creator of Predator? He's only credited as an actor in the first one. Also was the reaction to Avatar 2 really lukewarm? Because I checked the reviews and they seem to be mostly postive.

[member_removed]

I wasn't aware there were already 6 Terminator films. I thought there were only 3 or maybe 4 at best.

If it makes things easier for you, nothing after Judgement Day is really worth watching.

How was Shane Black the creator of Predator? He's only credited as an actor in the first one. Also was the reaction to Avatar 2 really lukewarm? Because I checked the reviews and they seem to be mostly postive.

I had a quick look and yeah nothing, I could've sworn he worked as a script doctor or made some uncredited rewrites. But I can't see anything online to collaborate this.

[frank_one]

"Terminator" is not an appealing name anymore. Let it rest for a decade or more and maybe then viewers will have the last two horrible movies removed from their memory and will again be willing to pay for something with the name "Terminator" on it. Right now "Terminator" means "junk".

[Andrew NDB]

Can give you a cliff notes about your idea of a T3 timeloop, please?

Here's the gist of it, "linearly":

Step 1: 1997 - Judgement Day. SkyNET goes live.
Step 2: 2029 - SkyNET loses to TechCOM forces. Sends back T-800 to kill Sarah Connor before John is born.
Step 3: 1984 - Sarah and Kyle Reese destroy the T-800 but leave the CPU to be found by Cyberdyne Systems.
Step 4: 1995 - CyberDyne Systems is destroyed by Sarah, John, and a reprogrammed T-800.
Step 5: 1997 - Judgement Day does not happen.
Step 6: 2032 - With TechCOM, John defeats SkyNET... but then is killed when he sees a T-800 with the T101 skin. SkyNET sends back a T-X to kill John's "generals" to 2004 so Kate sends back the murderous T-800, now reprogrammed.
Step 7: 2004 - Cyber Research Systems (CRS) who inherited the T-800 data from CyberDyne Systems, cause Judgement Day when they bring SkyNET live.
Step 8: 2029 - Back to Step 2. And Future John isn't killed by a Terminator with the T101 skin because this John is ready for it.

That is just basic version of it. And I'm probably forgetting important details.

I had a quick look and yeah nothing, I could've sworn he worked as a script doctor or made some uncredited rewrites.

Yeah, he did. That's how he got the part, largely for convenience's sake with the script doctoring as they went.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the gist of it, "linearly":

Step 1: 1997 - Judgement Day. SkyNET goes live.
Step 2: 2029 - SkyNET loses to TechCOM forces. Sends back T-800 to kill Sarah Connor before John is born.
Step 3: 1984 - Sarah and Kyle Reese destroy the T-800 but leave the CPU to be found by Cyberdyne Systems.
Step 4: 1995 - CyberDyne Systems is destroyed by Sarah, John, and a reprogrammed T-800.
Step 5: 1997 - Judgement Day does not happen.
Step 6: 2032 - With TechCOM, John defeats SkyNET... but then is killed when he sees a T-800 with the T101 skin. SkyNET sends back a T-X to kill John's "generals" to 2004 so Kate sends back the murderous T-800, now reprogrammed.
Step 7: 2004 - Cyber Research Systems (CRS) who inherited the T-800 data from CyberDyne Systems, cause Judgement Day when they bring SkyNET live.
Step 8: 2029 - Back to Step 2. And Future John isn't killed by a Terminator with the T101 skin because this John is ready for it.

That is just basic version of it. And I'm probably forgetting important details.



Yeah, he did. That's how he got the part, largely for convenience's sake with the script doctoring as they went.
There is a new timeline that was created from Terminator: Dark Face, In which an AI called Legion, Which is the successor to Skynet.

That timeline was the result of a Terminator who successfully killed John back in the 90s, and the new future's resistance leader was a woman.

[Andrew NDB]

There is a new timeline that was created from Terminator: Dark Face, In which an AI called Legion, Which is the successor to Skynet.

That timeline was the result of a Terminator who successfully killed John back in the 90s, and the new future's resistance leader was a woman.

I know. It's sh**.

[TigerClaw]

I know. It's sh**.
I enjoyed it besides people calling it woke, But whatever, It is what it is.

[Andrew NDB]

I enjoyed it besides people calling it woke, But whatever, It is what it is.

The woke stuff aside it was horrible. "Remember Sarah Connor and John Connor? And how good the first two Terminator movies were? Guess what! Now Sarah and John and those movies don't matter at all! In fact, we're going to kill John! And SkyNET itself? Not relevant anymore! Aren't you excited about this movie now??!?!"

It's just a bizarre series of choices. And Genisys did a similar thing, too. They make it like a nostalgia trip for T1 and T2 fans... while at the same time wiping T1 and T2 out from continuity during the movie. It's just weird.

[TigerClaw]

The woke stuff aside it was horrible. "Remember Sarah Connor and John Connor? And how good the first two Terminator movies were? Guess what! Now Sarah and John and those movies don't matter at all! In fact, we're going to kill John! And SkyNET itself? Not relevant anymore! Aren't you excited about this movie now??!?!"

It's just a bizarre series of choices. And Genisys did a similar thing, too. They make it like a nostalgia trip for T1 and T2 fans... while at the same time wiping T1 and T2 out from continuity during the movie. It's just weird.
The problem with the Terminator movies, Its just a retread of the first one, Every movie had the same plot, Just different situations and different timelines.

[Sumac]

Here's the gist of it, "linearly":
That is just basic version of it. And I'm probably forgetting important details.
Thanks.

But I wonder: is this timeline takes into account that OG Skynet should have been rewritten with a SkyNet from 2004 and when does it send T800 and T1000 to the 1984 and 1991, respectively?

Because, if events of T1 is a regular timeloop, it should have been broken by events of T2 (though it does not effect existence of John Connor, for some reason).

Assuming those events were reinstated by SkyNet 2004 (via it being somehow aware of them or via information supplied by TX and trying to keep timeline intact), it still would've mean that those are not the same Kyle Reese and T800 from T1. And what about events of T2? Do they count as a timeloop, specifically recreated by SkyNet 2004 to keep its existence intact?

Time travel is one heck of a minefield for theories. :teek:

Genesys and Dark Fart doesn't count. As much as Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Genesys specifically is a reboot, where SkyNet and someone else playing chess via time travel, SCC is a mess involving "multiverse" and Dark Fart is, well, a fart.

[Andrew NDB]

Savage, Arnold flat out says "Genisys" and "Dark Fate" weren't written well.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/schwarzenegger-is-done-with-terminator/

[Sumac]

Savage, Arnold flat out says "Genisys" and "Dark Fate" weren't written well.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/schwarzenegger-is-done-with-terminator/
Can he return money for all the fans in the world who saw them? :lol:

[Xav]

The woke stuff aside it was horrible. "Remember Sarah Connor and John Connor? And how good the first two Terminator movies were? Guess what! Now Sarah and John and those movies don't matter at all! In fact, we're going to kill John! And SkyNET itself? Not relevant anymore! Aren't you excited about this movie now??!?!"

It's just a bizarre series of choices. And Genisys did a similar thing, too. They make it like a nostalgia trip for T1 and T2 fans... while at the same time wiping T1 and T2 out from continuity during the movie. It's just weird.I wonder if they were trying to copy the success of the Star Wars sequels? Follow the plots of the previous films. Kill off the hero of the old films, having the new lead be a young women, having a "new" villain whose exactly the same as the old villain except with a different name.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if they were trying to copy the success of the Star Wars sequels? Follow the plots of the previous films. Kill off the hero of the old films, having the new lead be a young women, having a "new" villain whose exactly the same as the old villain except with a different name.

Probably that exactly, at least with Dark Fate. TFA with a little "let the past die, kill it if you have to" Last Jedi mixed in along with angry political revenge stuff.

[Wildcat]

He was technically in Salvation. He allowed them to use his likeness.

I really do enjoy all the movies in and of themselves but Dark Fate was the weakest one. It didn’t do anything different. Well the T800 gaining a conscious was cool. I thought of that before. I loved his scenes but that couldn’t be a whole movie.

There is one scene I find unintentionally mean. When they’re waiting for the guy to deliver the EMP. They show Sarah in silence listening to the T800 talk about interior design and Dani asks if she’s ok.

It’s funny but the timing is weird. As if they’re breaking the 4th wall. It’s hard to describe. They’re showing us how awful it is for her WHILE he’s doing comic relief. It’s very out of place.

Anyway still plenty they can do they just need to stop the go-back-to-kill plot.

[Andrew NDB]

My best idea for a new Terminator: ignore everything before. Just focus on one soldier in the Future War in 2028. Saving Private Ryan style. Some small but big battle in the bigger scope of things. Maybe even make it a non-theatrical Hulu thing or whatever. But make it super interesting and make us care about TechCOM and the fight. No time travel whatsoever.

[Barkworm]

My best idea for a new Terminator: ignore everything before. Just focus on one soldier in the Future War in 2028. Saving Private Ryan style. Some small but big battle in the bigger scope of things. Maybe even make it a non-theatrical Hulu thing or whatever. But make it super interesting and make us care about TechCOM and the fight. No time travel whatsoever.

I‘m not a fan or anything but isn‘t time travel one of the essential elements in the first one? I think that and a killer cyborg are the two things that you cannot leave out.

This is another one of these franchises where you should just let it die. The first two films are well known and popular but everything else is just there, no one really cares about it. The first film had a very basic premise, that‘s why it was great. The second one added to it nicely and they could have had a nice wrap up but that chance is long gone.

[Sumac]

I wonder if they were trying to copy the success of the Star Wars sequels? Follow the plots of the previous films. Kill off the hero of the old films, having the new lead be a young women, having a "new" villain whose exactly the same as the old villain except with a different name.
Most likely, gladly it didn't work out.

I‘m not a fan or anything but isn‘t time travel one of the essential elements in the first one? I think that and a killer cyborg are the two things that you cannot leave out.
I think, Terminator universe is much bigger that it doesn't need to rely on time travel as a crutch. Or at least not in a way it usually does, repeating the formula from an original movie.

In general, I am on board with a Andrew's idea - just make it a war movie set in a future. Not like a Salvation, which ha nothing to do with future shown in T1-T3 and with better characters than Beil and Whosthatton.

I am not on board with letting it die, since in my opinion it has a potential to be something greater. Its just greedy idiots are very risk averse and don't want to experiment with a material, outside designated parameters. If anything, people who are afraid that AI will write movies and recycle pre-existing stuff, has example in a Terminator franchise, that you don't need AI for that.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Savage, Arnold flat out says "Genisys" and "Dark Fate" weren't written well.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/schwarzenegger-is-done-with-terminator/

Well, duh. But Arnie still played in them because he wanted that big fat check. Nevermind that the new writers completely ruined the franchise as well as spat on the fans.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Can he return money for all the fans in the world who saw them? :lol:

He’d be too poor after :lol:

[sdp]

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2

[TheCanadiandrome]

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2
Tbh I can’t for the life of me disagree. But I’m in the minority who’s liked the last few Terminator movies

[Sumac]

It is still buffles me that people accepted T2 back in the day. If it came out today and wasn't made by Cameron we would collectively **** on it because they made horror antagonist into superhero. Imagine if Alien 2 was about xenomorph imprinting on some kid, becoming his loyal pet with funny dog behaviour and protecting the kid from Predator

Also that's why every new Terminator fails despite being strong IP. Because Cameron ruined it with T2
Hot take. I am almost sure a trollish one as well.

But, if I take your statement at face value, I'd say, that you are wrong - Xenamorphs are faceless monsters with no personality, but angry murder machines. Terminators, however, have human faces, and in case of T800 one needs to consider Arny's own image as a quintessential American Action Hero at the time.

Such change from a villain to a hero went well, because, no-one could have imagined him as a villain again. Besides, it made an interesting juxtaposition with T800 from the first movie, as well as presented Terminators not as mindless machines, but tools of whoever controls them. It would have been especially interesting, if Cameron went with his original plan an cast Michael Biehn as T1000.

[Andrew NDB]

The movies needed to outgrow Schwarzenegger long ago, IMO. Unless they wanted to show human Arnold in the Future War (yes I've seen the Sgt. Candy deleted scene from T3 and its stupid).

[Sumac]

The movies needed to outgrow Schwarzenegger long ago, IMO. Unless they wanted to show human Arnold in the Future War (yes I've seen the Sgt. Candy deleted scene from T3 and its stupid).
Indeed, but failure of T4 scared them of doing so, so we get bunch of reboots.

[TheCanadiandrome]

We could all agree they maybe should’ve stopped at the first one lol, nah I kid, maybe after judgement day, at this point the horse has been beaten dead, resurrected, then beaten dead again

[Sumac]

We could all agree they maybe should’ve stopped at the first one lol, nah I kid, maybe after judgement day, at this point the horse has been beaten dead, resurrected, then beaten dead again
Or Cameron could move with T3 project, which he was mulling around for a time being.

[Andrew NDB]

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-already-writing-a-new-terminator/?fbclid=IwAR0vN2LUMpvleHEPIp_rpwyupO_V_D0pXosouqpu X_pY-RGyF_Mu284n20k

[Xav]

It would have been especially interesting, if Cameron went with his original plan an cast Michael Biehn as T1000.I thought that was just and rumor and Cameron originally wanted Billy Idol?

[Sumac]

I thought that was just and rumor and Cameron originally wanted Billy Idol?
I've heard there were a lot of ideas and using Biehn as T1000 was one of them. Strangely, I haven't heard about Billy Idol rumor.

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.
Oh...yes? No? IDK? :-?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Oh man those castings would've been trippy

[member_removed]

So, ah, James Cameron is saying he's actively writing Terminator 7 now.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-already-writing-a-new-terminator/?fbclid=IwAR0vN2LUMpvleHEPIp_rpwyupO_V_D0pXosouqpu X_pY-RGyF_Mu284n20k

Won't he be busy writing Avatar's 4 and 5? (I assume 3 is already filmed and in the can?)

[Sumac]

Won't he be busy writing Avatar's 4 and 5? (I assume 3 is already filmed and in the can?)
I think, A4 / A5 have already been written, considering how much was spent of pre-production.

[Andrew NDB]

I think, A4 / A5 have already been written, considering how much was spent of pre-production.

Yeah, he's openly said he didn't want to film anything until all the movies were written in advance.

[Andrew NDB]

Let's try this again.

The SkyNET loop (does NOT factor for Dark Fate):

Step 0: 1985 - John Connor is born to Sarah Connor and an unknown father.
Step 1: 1997 - Judgement Day. SkyNET goes live.
Step 2: 2029 - SkyNET loses to TechCOM forces. Sends back T-800 to kill Sarah Connor before John is born.
Step 3: 1984 - Sarah and Kyle Reese destroy the T-800 but leave the CPU to be found by Cyberdyne Systems. Kyle becomes John's father.
Step 4: 1995 - CyberDyne Systems is destroyed by Sarah, John, and a reprogrammed T-800.
Step 5: 1997 - Judgement Day does not happen, Sarah Connor dies of leukemia
Step 6: 2032 - With TechCOM, John defeats SkyNET... but then is killed when he sees a T-800 with the T101 skin. SkyNET sends back a T-X to kill John's "generals" to 2004 so Kate sends back the murderous T-800, now reprogrammed.
Step 7: 2004 - Cyber Research Systems (CRS) who inherited the T-800 data from CyberDyne Systems, cause Judgement Day when they bring SkyNET live.
Step 8: 2029 - Back to Step 2. And Future John isn't killed by a Terminator with the T101 skin because this John is ready for it.

Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995

Altered Timeline 2:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur, Sarah Connor dies of leukemia
2004 - Judgement Day
2032 - SkyNET loses, sends T-X to 2004, TechCOM sends a T-850 to 2004

Altered Timeline 3:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur, Sarah Connor dies of leukemia
2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
2018 - A SkyNET post is destroyed (Salvation)
2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s

Altered Timeline 4:
197X - Sarah Connor's parents are killed by a T-800
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, T-1000 is destroyed, Kyle Reese lives, Sarah and Kyle time-travel to 2017
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur, Sarah Connor does not die of leukemia (she isn't even there)
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
20XX - John Connor is made into a T-3000
2017 - The T-3000 is destroyed

Altered Timeline 5*
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur, Sarah Connor does not die of leukemia
1998 - T-800 kills John Connor
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
2022 - Rev-9 is destroyed
202X - Judgement Day happens
2042 - Legion sends a Rev-9 to 2022 to kill Dani Ramos

*It is interesting to wonder if the SkyNET that survived Genisys (from the after-credits) would go on to preserve history, but with one new wrinkle: sending one new T-800 back to 1998. But not that interesting. What a mess.

[Sumac]

A lot of inconsistences in this timelines.
I suggest few corrections:

The SkyNET loop (does NOT factor for Dark Fate):

Step 0: 1985 - John Connor is born to Sarah Connor and an unknown father.
Step 1: 1997 - Judgement Day. SkyNET goes live.
Step 2: 2029 - SkyNET loses to TechCOM forces. Sends back T-800 to kill Sarah Connor before John is born.
Step 3: 1984 - Sarah and Kyle Reese destroy the T-800 but leave the CPU to be found by Cyberdyne Systems. Kyle becomes John's father.
Step 4: 1995 - CyberDyne Systems is destroyed by Sarah, John, and a reprogrammed T-800.
Step 5: 1997 - Judgement Day does not happen, Sarah Connor dies of leukemia
Step 6: 2032 - With TechCOM, John defeats SkyNET... but then is killed when he sees a T-800 with the T101 skin. SkyNET sends back a T-X to kill John's "generals" to 2004 so Kate sends back the murderous T-800, now reprogrammed.
Step 7: 2004 - Cyber Research Systems (CRS) who inherited the T-800 data from CyberDyne Systems, cause Judgement Day when they bring SkyNET live.
Step 8: 2029 - Back to Step 2. And Future John isn't killed by a Terminator with the T101 skin because this John is ready for it.
Loop is valid only for T1.

Loop stops working after T2, because, if Judgement Day is postponed, so is the Future War, which means even, if Kyle Reese is sent back to the past it won't be from 2029 and it will be slightly different version of Kyle Reese.
T3 takes care of this by moving Future War 7 years forward.

Here is important thing: since Judgement Day and Future War are postponed it means that events of T1 and T2 can't occur as they were.

This puts us at odds with how Terminator continuum works - on one hand future can be changed (postponement of JD and FW 7 years forward). On the other, events that had already occurred in the past won't be changed, even if they have no causes anymore.

T2 essentially breaks T1 loop, by moving or canceling future events, but it does not effect anything in the past: John Connor still exists, as well, as Skynet's designs derived from T800 chip, even though neither Kyle Reese nor OG T800 no longer exist due to timeline changes.

T3 throws another wrench into this scheme, since it never-ever mentions previous time travels made by Skynet and Resistance in the future.

There are two possibilities: Skynet and Resistance sent their respective parties to the past somewhere prior to 2032, whether its done to preserve timeline (something which John Connor might know, but this means he should be the one to sent Kyle in the past first, before Skynet sends T800, since Skynet shouldn't know about time travels at this point) or just, because, it just happens like before.

Or those time travels simply don't happen at all (which is, IMO, more logical), which won't effect timeline in the slightest, since as we know breaking time loop and effectively erasing original Kyle and T800 has no effect on existence of John Connor and Skynet in the past.

Point is: T2 and T3 break time loop and basically mutually exclusive to T1 and each other.
Conclusion: most likely time travels from T1/T2 don't occur in T3 version of timeline, since there is no reason for them to.

Step 6: 2032 - With TechCOM, John defeats SkyNET... but then is killed when he sees a T-800 with the T101 skin. SkyNET sends back a T-X to kill John's "generals" to 2004 so Kate sends back the murderous T-800, now reprogrammed.
I don't think anything indicates that John defeated Skynet in 2032. More than that, T850 says that John and Kate children will play important role in the war, which means it will continue at least up until their maturity, so 2032 is not an end of the war.


Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995
AT1 doesn't make sense: T2 mentions that Skynet had sent T800 and T1000 at the same time to 1984 and 1991 respectively. There was no change "in-between" T1 and T2 timelines. Outside of Cameron retconning T1, but that is besides the scope of this conversation.

2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
I know it is a popular theory (which clears some plot holes in the movie and gives TX more importance), but its just a theory.

2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s
If I am not mistaking, it was T1000 who was sent to the 1970s by either regular Skynet or some of his future iterations (I don't think anyone mentions anything about Skynet sending T1000 in the Future War segment of the story, I think they only mention T800). OG T800 was still sent to 1984 and it was sent by a regular Skynet.

Who had sent Pops to 1970s is unknown. It could have been Techcom or its just another Skynet twist to manipulate timeline to a specific outcome (I wouldn't put it past writers to pull this off as "WHAT A TWIST" moment for a possible sequel). It could have been some third party we know nothing about.

Also, I don't think TDF fits anywhere in a regular timeline. Even if you can shove Genisys somehow into T1-T4 series, TDF completely contradicts it, like Sarah Connor Chronicles before it to the point that its either should be discarded or relegated to some alternate universe (which do exist, according to SCC).

Legion exists, because of events of T1 and T2, which do not happen in Genisys timeline and, in fact, they can not happen at all, since T1000 was sent to 1970s, instead of 1991 and Sarah has completely different life being raised by Pops. Not to mention she doesn't sleep with Kyle in 1984, so John Connor birth moved to...some undefined date in the future, if at all. Therefore none of the old time is valid in TG version of events and TDF simply can't happen. Neither do events of SCC, which follow T1/T2.

[Andrew NDB]

More T7 rumblings from Cameron:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/james-cameron-planning-new-terminator/

[CyberCubed]

There's literally no point for any other movies at this point other than John Conner winning the war in the future. They basically altered the timeline 3-4 times already sending a Terminator back in time over and over again, the plot has been done to death.

The timeline has been splintered after T2 (the original ending), to T3/Salvation, to Genesis and Dark Fate, which is 4 different branches in the timeline now, 5 if you count the Sarah Conner Chronicles TV show. I can buy all this happening as multiple branches of the timeline, but there's almost no point to do this anymore.

Just show John Conner in the future winning the war and be done with it.

[Wildcat]

Sorry for repeating myself but I thought of a couple new ideas. Thought I’d post them all together.

Terminator: Future Blood
John Connor travels back in time to recruit John Rambo.

Terminator: Fate of the Galaxy
Skynet sends back machines to instead take over other planets to ensure it’s existence and gain dominance over earth.

Terminator: The New Judgement Day
The original events were only delayed...to the far off future where Skynet must contend with Judge Dredd.

Terminator: War for Cyberdyne
After Skynet is launched and war breaks out earth is detected by someone who wants to form an alliance. Now John Connor must wage his battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons...but he won’t do it alone. Roll Out!

Terminator: Clash of the Timelines
The overuse of time travel causes a rip in the fabric of time where Skynet, Genisys and Legion along with their heroes are thrown together in an all out fight for survival. Only the T-Infinity https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/T-Infinity has the power to restore order

[Andrew NDB]

Cameron says there is "more than a plan" for T7 and beyond.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/james-cameron-on-terminator-future/

There's literally no point for any other movies at this point other than John Conner winning the war in the future. They basically altered the timeline 3-4 times already sending a Terminator back in time over and over again, the plot has been done to death.

You are, of course, right. But if I had to guess from the blurbs from Cameron in the link in this post above, it sounds like T7 will do a bit of a "Dark Fate" in that it'll wipe away everything since probably T2 again and introduce a new AI threat that isn't SkyNET or LEGION. Which makes me wonder now if LEGION was one of Cameron's few own ideas for "Dark Fate" and now he feels that the director bungled that in the movie. I just hope it's not like some kind of Terminator movie that borrows from stuff like the Child's Play remake and MEGAN where there isn't really Terminators walking around as much as its all of our household Amazon Alexas and Siris coming to kill us all.

[neatoman]

Cameron says there is "more than a plan" for T7 and beyond.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/james-cameron-on-terminator-future/



You are, of course, right. But if I had to guess from the blurbs from Cameron in the link in this post above, it sounds like T7 will do a bit of a "Dark Fate" in that it'll wipe away everything since probably T2 again and introduce a new AI threat that isn't SkyNET or LEGION. Which makes me wonder now if LEGION was one of Cameron's few own ideas for "Dark Fate" and now he feels that the director bungled that in the movie. I just hope it's not like some kind of Terminator movie that borrows from stuff like the Child's Play remake and MEGAN where there isn't really Terminators walking around as much as its all of our household Amazon Alexas and Siris coming to kill us all.

Wasn't literally every movie since the second one meant to restart the franchise with a bunch of new sequels that never panned out? For that matter, aren't basically all of them meant to be sequels to the first two and ignoring the rest? Not that you could tell because they keep going back in time and changing the timeline, which means it literally doesn't matter if these movies are somehow connected or not.

And is there literally no plot imaginable that doesn't just a repeat of the first one's premise of sending a killer robot back in time? There's been six movies and two shows in this franchise, only one of which is not about a Terminator being sent back to kill someone important. Humanity rebuilding after Skynet was defeated or something might not sound all that exciting at first, but is it really too much to ask for some fresh ideas than just remaking the first one under the pretense of being a sequel for the seventh time?

[member_removed]

Salvation, Genisis and Dark Fate are a trilogy of failed trilogy starters.

All were heralded as the beginning of new Terminator trilogy. All failed, sucked and flopped.

I have no idea why Hollywood has a hard-on for trilogies. Just make one good movie, then keep making good sequels.

As a franchise Terminator can eat a bag robodicks!

[Andrew NDB]

It doesn't sound like this would be "A sequel" in the way that we would traditionally think of one. Not even a "requel."

[Wildcat]

I honestly like all of my ideas I posted before but realistically the last one, the timelines all crossing over, is definitely doable and would be awesome imo.

Sounds like he’s talking a full reboot but in terms of iconography being dropped I highly doubt he’d drop the general design of the terminator robots.

[Andrew NDB]

I honestly like all of my ideas I posted before but realistically the last one, the timelines all crossing over, is definitely doable and would be awesome imo.

I honestly thought what probably most people thought when they read that post. That it was a joke.

Wasn't literally every movie since the second one meant to restart the franchise with a bunch of new sequels that never panned out?

Salvation reasonably works as a direct sequel to T3, and I don't think T3 was ever poised as any sort of trilogy starter. But both as a result of and following Salvation is where everything drove off the cliff for no reason.

Salvation was BAD and neutered when it should have been the most brutal of all Terminator movies (we finally get to the Future War and it's PG-13? are you kidding me?) but it at least moved things forward and in a new direction. It's been "greatest hits" since then.

[Wildcat]

I honestly thought what probably most people thought when they read that post. That it was a joke. The comics have done major crossovers including Transformers. I don’t see why they’re too ridiculous for movies. I know they can’t really be done because of licensing though.

Still just keeping things Terminator...crossing the timelines works perfectly to tie everything together and has a unique twist that a specific Terminator has the power to fix everything. This is not over-the-top for this franchise. I mean it’s basically about the multiverse and the T-Infinity is an official character.

[Andrew NDB]

The comics have done major crossovers including Transformers. I don’t see why they’re too ridiculous for movies. I know they can’t really be done because of licensing though.

Still just keeping things Terminator...crossing the timelines works perfectly to tie everything together and has a unique twist that a specific Terminator has the power to fix everything. This is not over-the-top for this franchise. I mean it’s basically about the multiverse and the T-Infinity is an official character.

I would never have thought that Wendy's could ever be compared to a Super Nintendo... but then I tried their capers.

[Wildcat]

I would never have thought that Wendy's could ever be compared to a Super Nintendo... but then I tried their capers.I don't get the metaphor. I understand why crossovers with other franchises would be viewed as silly but a standalone Terminator movie about it's own multiverse is a legitimately viable idea.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't get the metaphor.

You made a ridiculous post. So I did the same thing.

[Andrew NDB]

Cameron's still writing it, but he's having a tough time of it:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/james-cameron-on-new-terminator-issues/

[IMJ]

Terminator: Salvation was actually a pretty solid movie. They should have continued with that and kept Christian Bale to be honest.