So, what's the REAL story?

[Vegita-San]

The Tyre Nichols attack... first time I've heard of this one.
but, since the usual twitter supsects are going on about their usual ways and bringing up george floyd again, one has too ask...'what's the real story?'

[IMJ]

What are the details?

[ChosenOne]

There they go again, stoking the flames of societal breakdown over another dead junkie... :roll:

[Coola Yagami]

Who is this now?

[Galactus]

Who is this now?

A black American Fedex worker who was pulled over in Memphis and beaten by five police officers. He died in the hospital three days later.

Notable in this situation is all five of the officers in question were black themselves and have been fired and charged with a number of crimes including assault and third degree murder.

[ChosenOne]

Who is this now?

Saint Floyd the II of the BLMites, aka some idiot drug user/pusher who really should've listened when the police told him to stop running and is now poised to become the sponsor for the 2023 Mostly Peaceful Protests.

Notable in this situation is all five of the officers in question were black themselves and have been fired and charged with a number of crimes including assault and third degree murder.

F*cking racists!

[Coola Yagami]

A black American Fedex worker who was pulled over in Memphis and beaten by five police officers. He died in the hospital three days later.

Notable in this situation is all five of the officers in question were black themselves and have been fired and charged with a number of crimes including assault and third degree murder.

Holy crap. Did they give a reason why the stopped him and what led to such an altercation? Is the story getting brushed under the rug because it wasn't 'the evil white man' that did it but four fellow black people taking down one of their own?

[Jester]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/memphis-braces-video-fatal-police-encounter-with-black-motorist-2023-01-27/

[RaphaelinSTL]

****ing pigs.

[IMJ]

I don't know the further details as to the stop itself or what this guy was doing in the car. But I am going to say this - the cops - of any color :roll: - do not simply drag people out of a car if they do nothing.

You don't do anything but what the cops say.
You don't run away from the cops.
You don't jive turkey or hood rat at the cops.

If you don't do those things, then it's likely they won't even remotely get physical with you. What happens in these circumstances is that the cops are out there always fearing for their lives. And when someone gets stopped and they compound the problem -

1. People get mouthy with, or hoodrat at, or victim-play at the cops. They get pulled out of the car.
2. Then they bug up when getting pulled out even though they caused it, so they fight the cops. Control the situation as is procedure. They get put on the ground and sprayed.
3. Then they bug up at their "victimization" even though they caused it, so they run from the cops. "Stop or we'll shoot" as is procedure. They get put in the ground.

Don't you people understand this?

[ChosenOne]

Don't you people understand this?

Leftists aren't known for their intellect or respect for the authorities. More like sneering contempt, really. Their underdeveloped hive minds can't figure out why we absolutely need well-funded police, nor why said police more often than not makes the right call in how they approach a suspect.

There's no time to bring up someone's life history and interview their loved ones when it comes down to a decision between a fleeing suspect's life (and this guy ran twice in quick succession) and the lives of the officers and any nearby innocents. The police orders you to stop and you don’t comply, you run away or you fight back, you're making a choice right there. Whatever happens next is on you, and you alone.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know the further details as to the stop itself or what this guy was doing in the car. But I am going to say this - the cops - of any color :roll: - do not simply drag people out of a car if they do nothing.

You don't do anything but what the cops say.
You don't run away from the cops.
You don't jive turkey or hood rat at the cops.

If you don't do those things, then it's likely they won't even remotely get physical with you. What happens in these circumstances is that the cops are out there always fearing for their lives. And when someone gets stopped and they compound the problem -

1. People get mouthy with, or hoodrat at, or victim-play at the cops. They get pulled out of the car.
2. Then they bug up when getting pulled out even though they caused it, so they fight the cops. Control the situation as is procedure. They get put on the ground and sprayed.
3. Then they bug up at their "victimization" even though they caused it, so they run from the cops. "Stop or we'll shoot" as is procedure. They get put in the ground.

Don't you people understand this?

Doesn't that only work for white people though?

[IMJ]

Doesn't that only work for white people though?

That's what a certain cross section of society would have you believe as they deflect their own behaviors.

I watched the shoulder cam video of the stop. The guy is resisting and arguing every step of the way. He's looking back at the police, as if he's in charge, telling them he is complying the whole time without actually complying.

And so let me tell the "Galactuses" of the Technodrome another thing that you probably haven't ever considered in your liberal, critical, holier-than-thou lives - when someone tries to kill you, it isn't like a TMNT flick with a bad guy face-off. Most of the time the bad guy walks up and knifes you with a concerned look on his face while asking you if you are okay. And while he asks that as if he wants to help you, he continues to put the knife in and out over and over.

So when a kid is stopped by police, looking back at them to tell them you are complying isn't complying. Getting up and running away isn't complying. Shutting the f up and letting the authorities in charge run the show IS complying.

Now there is clearly more to this story about the cops hitting the guy over the shoulders with their batons, and kicking the guy and so on. THAT is a problem. But see - by the time that happened the kid had already broken about a dozen other laws by the point he ran away. But for you liberal brain trust out there, had this guy not been in "punk manipulation mode"- e.g saying he was complying when he wasn't, escaping a stop, etc, then he'd probably be alive and the whole thing wouldn't have escalated.

Now as to the post-escape interaction? That is 100% on those fools in uniform. Once the guy is in cuffs, and controlled, it's over. So if the kid was alive when they caught him and cuffed, he should be alive right now. It's definitely a 360 degree issue, so those cops will definitely have something to answer for. If you get your guy subdued, it's over - the police shouldn't turn themselves into a mob action.

[FrederikWolferson]

Black cops beating up a black man is somehow white peoples fault because "internalized racism" or something yadda yadda yadda...

[ssjup81]

Black cops beating up a black man is somehow white peoples fault because "internalized racism" or something yadda yadda yadda...The guy speaking out on behalf of the family, and the family, didn’t bring up race. They were pretty much saying black or white, police brutality and using excessive force is a problem.

[ChosenOne]

Black cops beating up a black man is somehow white peoples fault because "internalized racism" or something yadda yadda yadda...

White people inducted those black men into the police force as race traitors, dontcha know? So obvious! /s

The guy speaking out on behalf of the family, and the family, didn’t bring up race. They were pretty much saying black or white, police brutality and using excessive force is a problem.

So's running from the police TWICE after they repeatedly and explicitly order you to stop.

[ssjup81]

So's running from the police TWICE after they repeatedly and explicitly order you to stop.I don’t know the details, but five cops beating up on one person seems excessive to me regardless of what the person did.

[ChosenOne]

I don’t know the details, but five cops beating up on one person seems excessive to me regardless of what the person did.

Agree to disagree.

[ssjup81]

Agree to disagree.All I know is that it was a routine traffic stop. If the person was defiant, which is wrong, how is that grounds for being pummeled? The guy wasn’t even all that big. Did he attack or pull a weapon out on the cops in question? Either way, this does seem like excessive force to me.

[ChosenOne]

All I know is that it was a routine traffic stop.

It was, before he ran. Twice. You'd be surprised at what comes up during routine traffic stops, up to and including serial killers. Like I said, agree to disagree.

[IMJ]

There are a few very simple facts to address:

1 A suspect's attitude in a police interaction dictates the methodology of outcome. If you are getting arrested, then the arrest is happening. The end. If you ghetto-up your attitude or mouth while being arrested, the chances of you dying increase greatly. The end.

2 A cop who subdues and cuffs a suspect ends the physical altercation & the interaction is over beyond transport. The end. If you are arresting someone you use the force necessary to complete the arrest and once it's done, it's done. If a cop toughguys-up after someone is in custody, the chances of that cop going to prison increase greatly. The end.

[Zulithe]

I don't like or support what happened one bit. But once again the popular narrative is that the attack is based out of white supremacy. It doesn't matter that all involved where black, it was still white supremacy to them.

We are not going to make progress in the right direction if we are pointing fingers at the wrong culprit.

We can tackle policing issues without wrapping it in blanket of blame on white people. The rise of racial hatred against white people is one of the most important issues in our society today, and we have a huge chunk of the population who refuses to acknowledge that it is exactly that: racial hatred.

If you seriously blame white supremacy, then do you think that is also the cause of state violence in other countries as well? Ignorance.

[IMJ]

There is an easy solution to the problem. Look at and correct your own behavior, public conduct, and presentation of self. That's it. It works for cops and society's "victims".

[Galactus]

This has been on the prime time news here in the UK for two days so I don't think this story has been buried under the carpet.

Allegedly he was stopped because the cops thought he was driving recklessly. If that's the case then surely the proper procedure should be to ask him to get out of the car, ask to see his drivers license, ask him if he's had anything to drink etc. What they should not have done was instantly try and drag the guy out of his car. I don't know how much IMJ knows about human nature but when someone puts there hands on you unexpectedly it's a natural reaction to resist. Putting aside the totally understandable distrust of the police that most black Americans have people have a natural fight or flight reaction. In this case he wasn't trying to fight the cops he was trying to get away from the people physically assaulting him for no reason. Sadly running away is one of the worst things guys can do to cops. They call it the "run tax" if you make them run they'll punish you more for it. That's why even when he was appropriately subdued they carried on beating for another two minutes.

I don't think the fact that the police in this case were black changes anything. This is part the culture of the police force that is ingrained into recruits at the academy and compounded when they actually serve; Black people are more of a threat and you can't take any chances with them. That's why so many white mass shooters are taken alive while guys like Tyre Nicols who at best may have committed a minor traffic offence (and the validity of that claim is being debated) ends up lynched to death.

Where the racial element does change things is the aftermath. Look how swifty the officers were fired and charged compared to the many white cops that are merely suspended pending investigation. Even more important is how the media is treating this; Fox News of all places are condemning these five cops instead defending them or coming up with bogus excuses like they usually do. Tyre is actually being spoken about as a victim. They are so far not trying to drag up any dirt on him to make out in some way he had it coming. Of course that may very well be because he was a legit decent guy but you shouldn't have to be a proverbial saint for people to feel sorry you being killed by the police.

[ChosenOne]

Boo-hoo. Here's hoping you never have any sort of reason to call the police, those dastardly villains.

[Coola Yagami]

Where the racial element does change things is the aftermath. Look how swifty the officers were fired and charged compared to the many white cops that are merely suspended pending investigation. Even more important is how the media is treating this; Fox News of all places are condemning these five cops instead defending them or coming up with bogus excuses like they usually do. .

Dude, good catch! I didn't notice that, but you're right! If they were white they would have just been suspended or whatever, but these guys were fired on the spot.

[ChosenOne]

Dude, good catch! I didn't notice that, but you're right! If they were white they would have just been suspended or whatever, but these guys were fired on the spot.

Yep, yep. Just ask Derek Chauvin. Oh... Hol'up.

[Coola Yagami]

Yep, yep. Just ask Derek Chauvin. Oh... Hol'up.

Yeah but wasn't that like waaaaaay later? Wasn't a lot of the BLM backlash and stuff because he was just suspended at first and not fired?

[ChosenOne]

Yeah but wasn't that like waaaaaay later? Wasn't a lot of the BLM backlash and stuff because he was just suspended at first and not fired?

Nope, the very next day. BLM gonna BLM, they'll grasp at any straws for an excuse to burn and pillage stuff.

[Coola Yagami]

Nope, the very next day. BLM gonna BLM, they'll grasp at any straws for an excuse to burn and pillage stuff.

Damn, the details have become fuzzy to me. It feels like the whole George Floyd thing was eons ago.

[member_removed]

The guy was asshole and so was George Floyd, assholes gunna asshole.

As for this case if five Tennessee black cops want to go after one person, I hear Megan Hall is free.

[Coola Yagami]

That's another thing. It's always this huge number of cops that go after a single black dude as if he's the freakin Juggernaut or something. Like it seems it's always like 'WE GOT A BLACK MAN, I REPEAT, WE GOT A BLACK MAN. ALL HANDS ON DECK!!!! ALL SQUAD CARS REPORT TO THIS LOCATION ASAP!!!"

[Cowabung-Gal]

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The anti-racist activists and politicians say, “We need to get rid of racism!” over and over every day, but here’s what they will never admit: they actually don’t want to get rid of racism. They need racism because it gives them purpose, money, and power. Without conflict, there’s no need for a savior who has all the solutions. They deliberately keep racism alive while claiming that they want to put an end to it.

That’s why they make up things like “internalized white supremacy” and will call these black cops “racist” for their actions. To the rational person who doesn’t fall for propaganda and actually uses their brain, that makes no sense whatsoever. But to the person who lets the MSM do the thinking for them, that makes perfect sense.

[Dpooly84]

I don’t know the details, but five cops beating up on one person seems excessive to me regardless of what the person did.

At least there's one logical thought in here, allot of y'all need to think about what your saying. In what world does running from the cops deserve to be beating to death? Get outta your basement

[ChosenOne]

Sorry, I left the world's smallest violin in my other pants.

[IMJ]

In what world does running from the cops deserve to be beating to death? Get outta your basement

I don't think anyone said that. You are hearing what suits your own woe-is-me I'm persecuted agenda/culture. Nobody said the guy deserved being beat to death. Actually it's exactly the opposite.

[TurtleManiac]

It says here he died of cardiac arrest 3 days after the incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11641063/amp/Motorist-suffered-cardiac-arrest-kidney-failure-struggle-two-officers.html

Initially I thought he died at the scene or same day but didn’t know all the details. That is crazy if the beating caused him to go into cardiac arrest 3 days later.

Also was reading on Twitter rumors that 2 of the officers were new diversity hires after the police were defunded, lowered the hiring qualifications, and they possibly had ties to some street gangs. Some users suggesting this may have been a targeted attack.

[Coola Yagami]

It says here he died of cardiac arrest 3 days after the incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11641063/amp/Motorist-suffered-cardiac-arrest-kidney-failure-struggle-two-officers.html

Initially I thought he died at the scene or same day but didn’t know all the details. That is crazy if the beating caused him to go into cardiac arrest 3 days later.

Also was reading on Twitter rumors that 2 of the officers were new diversity hires after the police were defunded, lowered the hiring qualifications, and they possibly had ties to some street gangs. Some users suggesting this may have been a targeted attack.

Hmm that could be. Makes a lot more sense than 'it's internalized racism'.

Sadly that won't stop people from saying' no no no, none of that, stop asking questions, stop looking into it, it's and open and shut case of white supremacy."

[Anarchistguy]

Doesn't that only work for white people though?

No. It works with everybody. I've never had any problems with the police as a black man because I've never mouthed off or acted arrogant at them.

[Vegita-San]

It says here he died of cardiac arrest 3 days after the incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11641063/amp/Motorist-suffered-cardiac-arrest-kidney-failure-struggle-two-officers.html

Initially I thought he died at the scene or same day but didn’t know all the details. That is crazy if the beating caused him to go into cardiac arrest 3 days later.

Also was reading on Twitter rumors that 2 of the officers were new diversity hires after the police were defunded, lowered the hiring qualifications, and they possibly had ties to some street gangs. Some users suggesting this may have been a targeted attack.

Now, THAT makes alot more sense. maybe they found another gang member and finally 'got' him?

THIS is why you have to ask 'what's the REAL story' these days.

[IMJ]

No. It works with everybody. I've never had any problems with the police as a black man because I've never mouthed off or acted arrogant at them.

My man! Right there - a man who sees the forest for the trees.

[Warhorse]

I don't know the further details as to the stop itself or what this guy was doing in the car. But I am going to say this - the cops - of any color :roll: - do not simply drag people out of a car if they do nothing.

You don't do anything but what the cops say.
You don't run away from the cops.
You don't jive turkey or hood rat at the cops.

If you don't do those things, then it's likely they won't even remotely get physical with you. What happens in these circumstances is that the cops are out there always fearing for their lives. And when someone gets stopped and they compound the problem -

1. People get mouthy with, or hoodrat at, or victim-play at the cops. They get pulled out of the car.
2. Then they bug up when getting pulled out even though they caused it, so they fight the cops. Control the situation as is procedure. They get put on the ground and sprayed.
3. Then they bug up at their "victimization" even though they caused it, so they run from the cops. "Stop or we'll shoot" as is procedure. They get put in the ground.

Don't you people understand this?

I don't agree with this at all. I have had a childhood friend who was raped by a cop when she was 13, so if a cop is trying to order me to do something when I know I did nothing wrong, then I will question him. Last I look, they work for me, not the other way around. And there are a lot of dirty and corrupt cops out there.

[IMJ]

I don't agree with this at all. I have had a childhood friend who was raped by a cop when she was 13, so if a cop is trying to order me to do something when I know I did nothing wrong, then I will question him. Last I look, they work for me, not the other way around. And there are a lot of dirty and corrupt cops out there.

And I disagree with your point completely, but it's because you missed the mark completely in your reply to what I've said. For example, where did I say that you should never question the cops? Where was it established that a wrongdoing wasn't committed? Where did I say that "if you know you've done nothing wrong then you never question the cops about the interaction?"

Basically, please point out what you are addressing in my post and then make a point that actually matches up to my post. This was idiotic. It'd be like you posting that hot dogs are the best food ever and my reply to it is that I don't agree with that at all because when I was younger I choked on a meat product and now I'm verrrrryyy careful whenever I interact with a meat product.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I used to be in the “Back The Blue” club myself, then the lockdowns began. Cops would arrest those who didn’t want to wear a mask and crack down on businesses that didn’t follow every single rule, but at the same time they would let BLM gather in multitudes and burn down those same businesses. It was during the lockdowns when I realized that my “heroes” weren’t who I thought they were. Some are in fact good and will defy the fascists in power, but sadly not enough of them do.

[IMJ]

I used to be in the “Back The Blue” club myself

I think there is a happy medium. I definitely have been overrun in my life by an overzealous cop - usually when I was younger on a traffic stop or something like that.

But I think, for my hand in it, is that I'm not digging in on arbitrarily simply backing the police. But I am digging in on that there is a pattern to these events and that the people involved tend to bring their hoodrat-assertions and cultural-garbage into police interactions and then wonder why their problem gets worse.

then the lockdowns began. Cops would arrest those who didn’t want to wear a mask

I don't remember one single example of this. I'd guess that if anyone was arrested it's because they took a "can you wear a mask" interaction and went all Power Rangers generation on the cops. Once again as if these people are worldly. The same fools stormed the Capital Building noting that "it's our building".

There are plenty of bad cops out there. But there are a LOT of cops.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I don't remember one single example of this. I'd guess that if anyone was arrested it's because they took a "can you wear a mask" interaction and went all Power Rangers generation on the cops.

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And these are just a few examples.

Look, my brother is a cop, so I know that there are good cops and that not all cops are bad. But you have to remember, they work for the State, and whatever the State tells them to do, they are expected to follow those orders. “I’m just doing my job” is a scary thing to hear, especially if it’s coming from someone in law enforcement.

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[ChosenOne]

I used to be in the “Back The Blue” club myself, then the lockdowns began. Cops would arrest those who didn’t want to wear a mask and crack down on businesses that didn’t follow every single rule, but at the same time they would let BLM gather in multitudes and burn down those same businesses. It was during the lockdowns when I realized that my “heroes” weren’t who I thought they were. Some are in fact good and will defy the fascists in power, but sadly not enough of them do.

Can't afford to be idealistic when you have mouths to feed back home, and getting suspended or even booted from the force for disobeying orders won't do them any favors. That's Real World 101.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Can't afford to be idealistic when you have mouths to feed back home, and getting suspended or even booted from the force for disobeying orders won't do them any favors. That's Real World 101.

So should we excuse the you-know-who’s for simply following the orders of the big bad dictator with the funny mustache? Or the militsiya for following the orders of the Soviet Union? They had a choice to disobey their orders but chose to stay in line and millions died as a result. “I’m just doing my job” is not an excuse, never has been, never will be.

[ChosenOne]

So should we excuse the you-know-who’s for simply following the orders of the big bad dictator with the funny mustache? Or the militsiya for following the orders of the Soviet Union? They had a choice to disobey their orders but chose to stay in line and millions died as a result. “I’m just doing my job” is not an excuse, never has been, never will be.

Oh, no, I didn't say excuse them. Just to consider their point of view and their personal stakes. We have to understand them if we expect to make them see reason.

[IMJ]

And these are just a few examples.

No, they aren't. And you aren't going to like this, I can see it already because it's going to challenge your thought processes on your position. Those people were not arrested for "not wearing a mask" - not one of them. You have to remember that basically any space that you go into other than your home, does not belong to you. Even public spaces that you contribute to with taxes do not belong to you.

And so whether you agree with the masking laws or not, it isn't your place, or the place of any of those people in your examples, to force your way into a space and then refuse to leave when the person in charge of that space says you have to go. It'd be like saying that a 7-11 has a sign that says "No Shoes No Service" and they call the cops on a customer without shoes on who is giving them a hard time about their policy. That customer will be removed, but the media and the peasants will state overtly "Man arrested for NOT WEARING SHOES in 7-11!"

It's a lie and a twisting of a very important intellectual truth. And that intellectual truth is that by not leaving someone else's property when they tell you to, you are now harassing them and trespassing there. Those people were not arrested for "not wearing masks" despite what the media headlines post to manipulate a sheep-constituency of society in their viewing numbers.

So I'm sorry but your examples are literally and categorically wrong whether anyone in this community has the breadth of thought to recognize that or otherwise.

[Coola Yagami]

No, they aren't. And you aren't going to like this, I can see it already because it's going to challenge your thought processes on your position. Those people were not arrested for "not wearing a mask" - not one of them. You have to remember that basically any space that you go into other than your home, does not belong to you. Even public spaces that you contribute to with taxes do not belong to you.

And so whether you agree with the masking laws or not, it isn't your place, or the place of any of those people in your examples, to force your way into a space and then refuse to leave when the person in charge of that space says you have to go. It'd be like saying that a 7-11 has a sign that says "No Shoes No Service" and they call the cops on a customer without shoes on who is giving them a hard time about their policy. That customer will be removed, but the media and the peasants will state overtly "Man arrested for NOT WEARING SHOES in 7-11!"

It's a lie and a twisting of a very important intellectual truth. And that intellectual truth is that by not leaving someone else's property when they tell you to, you are now harassing them and trespassing there. Those people were not arrested for "not wearing masks" despite what the media headlines post to manipulate a sheep-constituency of society in their viewing numbers.

So I'm sorry but your examples are literally and categorically wrong whether anyone in this community has the breadth of thought to recognize that or otherwise.

But the whole issue was the mask though right? Like if the owner didn't care and just leave the people alone and not get the cops involved, there wouldn't be an issue.

But this was peak 2020/2021 and everyone was scared so it's kinda understandable though excessive.

[ChosenOne]

But the whole issue was the mask though right? Like if the owner didn't care and just leave the people alone and not get the cops involved, there wouldn't be an issue.

But this was peak 2020/2021 and everyone was scared so it's kinda understandable though excessive.

People were just eating the fear and panic they were fed by MSM to move jabs, can't blame 'em.

[Coola Yagami]

People were just eating the fear and panic they were fed by MSM to move jabs, can't blame 'em.

Exactly. People seem to forget they had a death counter that was rising everyday plastered all over TV. If we had one of those for the regular flu, we'd all be flipping out too.

The biggest irony is I remember when there were reports of China spreading 'fear porn' over this all over their news outlets when the virus first escaped Wuhan. Then it comes over to states and they American news outlets are doing the exact same thing.

[ChosenOne]

The biggest irony is I remember when there were reports of China spreading 'fear porn' over this all over their news outlets when the virus first escaped Wuhan. Then it comes over to states and they American news outlets are doing the exact same thing.

Definitely, I still remember the (more than likely staged) videos of Chinese people collapsing randomly in the streets and in stores, which we now know full well is not a symptom of Covid. How delightfully ironic that their psy ops and their Fauci-sponsored research has now turned around and bit their collective ass far harder than it ever did the rest of the world... Gonna feel that in the next half of the century!

[IMJ]

But the whole issue was the mask though right? Like if the owner didn't care and just leave the people alone and not get the cops involved, there wouldn't be an issue.

Yes. Exactly. But this statement changes nothing that these people were not arrested because they didn't wear masks. They were arrested because they remained in a space in defiance of the space's owner. For example, that High Schooler in the first video could've done the exact same "stunning and brave anti-masking protest" in front of the school on the public sidewalk in front of the school property and the school itself could not have had her removed. This happens all the time. These people were not "arrested for not wearing masks". They were arrested because they acted like defiant kings and queens in spaces that did not belong to them.

Look man - regular people cluster their thoughts together about everything. They cluster their thoughts into the lowest-common-denominator and now life is easy. "Order to wear masks + girl does not wear mask + arrest = Girl arrested for not wearing mask". But people who specialize in this stuff, or people who know how to properly itemize their thoughts about reality in real-time will not only inherently know the situational nuance, but also understand it.

"Kid shouldn't have been killed by the police" = True
"Police had him in custody and it should have been over" = true
But:
"Kid shouldn't have been killed by the police"+ "Police had him in custody and it should have been over = Kid was innocent and did not cause this problem". ERRRRT! NOT true!

We self-dictate most of our situations. These people would have you believe that they were sitting around innocently eating dinner with their family after a hard day's work and the cops just walked into their lives for no reason and beat some black kid. ERRRRT! Bull$#!(!

If girl protested for "No masks!" like a civilian then she wouldn't have been arrested. But instead she protested while infringing in a public space (whether right or wrong) like she was some smiling superhero. "Look at me! Stunning and brave!" And she got arrested. For trespassing. Not for "refusing to wear a mask".

There are three kinds of people in these examples -

1. @$$holes
2. People who understand nuance, situational response and how to behave
3. People who just know better and don't focus on this $#!( because they are out living solid existences, making money and developing their lives.

See, people number 3 know better than all of us and are in the proper circles. And when they are asked about these topics, they know everything I'm saying is true, but they'll just patronize you and simply say "oh yeah it's terrible" and then quietly roll their eyes at people who say "people were arrested for not wearing masks".

But me? I'm here in this place. For reasons. So I discuss it. Clearly I'm not person #3. :teek:

[ChosenOne]

"Kid would still be alive if he hadn't run and tried to fight back." = True.

The only kind that matters and needs to be seriously hammered into some people's heads so sh*t like this can finally stop.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Y’all have way too much faith in the system.

The system sure didn’t save those kids during the Uvalde shooting. The cops in that particular situation stood by and did nothing while the students were being murdered inside the school. Some parents tried to rush in and save their kids (one mother did manage to get in and save her two kids), and what did the cops do? Arrest them on the spot. Now ask yourself this, who was in the wrong here, the parents or the cops?

https://www.insider.com/uvalde-mom-who-rescued-kids-school-says-police-intimidating-her-2022-6

Again I will stress, I support my local police. I’m not for that “defund the police” and “acab” bs at all. We need law and order and we need decent and reliable officers. BUT cops are not superheroes who will always do the right thing even if it means disobeying the ones in power. As controversial as this may sound, Frank Miller was right to portray Superman as a tool for the government. Even though he’s a “good guy” with godlike powers, he does everything the President orders him to, even arrest and/or kill his friend Batman. We like to paint our cops and soldiers as flawless heroes who will always defend the weak and innocent, but again, they are merely following their superiors’ orders. Regardless of how they may feel about those orders, they must follow them. One of the reasons the Soviet Union fell was because the army refused to fire upon their fellow citizens during the 1991 Coup. Had they followed their orders, it probably would’ve ended differently.

The mask mandate was unconstitutional, and it just didn’t make any sense. Matt Strickland, the owner of a restaurant in Virginia, brought this up to the cops who tried to shut his business down because he refused to follow all of the mandates, and they told him, “It doesn’t have to make sense. The governor ordered it so you have to do it.” And Matt is a veteran who has fought dictatorship his entire life so he wasn’t going to have it. It was a long painful process, but he won in the end and got both his health department license and liquor license back.

My point? The system is not perfect and complying won’t make things better especially if they are the ones in the wrong.

[ChosenOne]

The system and the police aren't necessarily the same thing. Running from the police or assaulting officers sure as f*ck won't make things better either. I'll side with the cops over the perps and suspects any day of the week.

[IMJ]

"Kid would still be alive if he hadn't run and tried to fight back." = True.

The only kind that matters and needs to be seriously hammered into some people's heads so sh*t like this can finally stop.

That's exactly been my point. What happened with this kid was wrong and he should be alive. But had this kid's lifestyle not led to his mentality which in-turn led to his actions out in society, then....

-he wouldn't have told the cops he was complying when he wasn't
-he wouldn't have ran off
-he wouldn't have done anything else that created his own situation for those cops to f up in. He'd be alive if it weren't for his own actions.

Those cops were @$$holes through and through but that kid informed his police interaction 100%. With. His. Conduct.

Y’all have way too much faith in the system.

I mean.... you're just moving the goalpost now. That's intellectual dishonesty given the conversation.
Those cops were @$$holes through and through but that kid informed his police interaction 100%. With. His. Conduct.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I mean.... you're just moving the goalpost now. That's intellectual dishonesty given the conversation.

I’m just saying, not all cops are bad and a lot of them are in fact good. But I won’t lower my guard and trust them to be honest and noble all the time because 1.) they are people just like us so they, too, can be a**holes and 2.) they are servants of the system and unless they value their morals over the “law”, they will do even the unthinkable if they are ordered to. That’s why I defend the 2nd Amendment and why I believe in smaller government.

Those cops were all black and they still beat up that kid, so racism obviously wasn’t the issue here. They were just a**holes, like you said. And the cops who arrested people for not covering their faces and shut down small businesses for not following all the mandates were a**holes too. I got a serious reality check during 2020, and so did a lot of people. Cops are not that dependable nor are they completely trustworthy.

[Vegita-San]

I’m just saying, not all cops are bad and a lot of them are in fact good. But I won’t lower my guard and trust them to be honest and noble all the time because 1.) they are people just like us so they, too, can be a**holes and 2.) they are servants of the system and unless they value their morals over the “law”, they will do even the unthinkable if they are ordered to. That’s why I defend the 2nd Amendment and why I believe in smaller government.

Those cops were all black and they still beat up that kid, so racism obviously wasn’t the issue here. They were just a**holes, like you said. And the cops who arrested people for not covering their faces and shut down small businesses for following all the mandates were a**holes too. I got a serious reality check during 2020, and so did a lot of people. Cops are not that dependable nor are they completely trustworthy.


I thought the latter DID happen, but only over seas in places like Australia, IIRc..

[IMJ]

But I won’t lower my guard and trust them to be honest and noble all the time because

This sort of made me wonder how all of the social saboteurs and mis-framers, etc are going to fare when basically everyone is walking around with Google Glass otherwise discreetly recording every. Single. Thing.

I thought the latter DID happen, but only over seas in places like Australia, IIRc..

I think Australia as well... yeah.

[ChosenOne]

Having the whole story instead of just edited bits and pieces of any such given situation plastered all over is sure to make a lot of idiots hold their tongue. One hopes.