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AquaParade

01-31-2023, 02:54 PM

Doesn't just look uninteresting, it looks horrible.

When Marvel launched with "Iron Man", they took a 3rd or mmmaaayyybbbeee 2nd tier character and propelled him to a 1st tier household name. Because they had to. Iron Man had been in development on and off with Nick Casavetes for years - they had written assets already in place and it was the most "filmable" character Marvel had ownership of at the time because their I.P.'s were spread out everywhere.

You can't replicate that as a "formula". It just worked for a variety of reasons.

They aren't replicating Marvel's formula by launching with only B-list characters. They are doing Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman....as well as things like The Authority and Swamp Thing.

DC should launch with their strongest characters and go no deeper than Green Lantern who is also a 3rd tier or occasionally 2nd tier DC character depending on the event.

They are. The only caveat being a couple small projects, like an animated series - big deal, leading up to Superman.

Going no deeper than Green Lantern sounds lame. Why not bring both popular characters and lesser known characters out? This is a best of both worlds approach.

Inversely, some of these could be fun. I grew up with Swamp Thing on film and it was neat. The Authority is a bizarre pick, but that could be DC's next sophisticated "Watchmen". But for "Universe Building"?

I'm a huge fan of Moore's Swamp Thing and an adaption of that story, done better than the decent television series could really be something special in the world of horror and DC.

Andrew's automatic assertion that it will flop is funny. It's basically an assumption that a Swamp Thing movie can't make money, period. With the right approach, budget, creative team, Swamp Thing, like most things, could be a smash. Let's wait a little bit before deciding what is going to flop, based on a name.

The Authority is a bizarre, yet awesome choice. It's the type of stuff audiences are proving they crave by watching Joker and The Boys in such huge numbers. People like edgy comic book adaptions. Marvel won't do it (Deadpool pending), so DC will. Ironically, Snyder would be an appropriate choice, based on the comics.

Honestly they should have completed Snyder's vision and then relaunched with mostly stand-alone films and an occasional crossover film if things went well. We are already seeing with Marvel that long-form continuity can be entertaining but also stifling on a long-enough timeline. This is where you say "it's films not comics" when it comes to the source-material instead of saying that when there is a nonsense deviation on film.

They should have let Snyder finish Justice League part 1 and just axed 2, yeah. We are still getting stand-alone films, thankfully. Batman part 2, Joker, the Coates Superman (if it ever happens), etc.

IMJ

01-31-2023, 05:10 PM

They aren't replicating Marvel's formula by launching with only B-list characters. They are doing Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman....as well as things like The Authority and Swamp Thing.

:roll: There is one "A" list intellectual property on that list and it's Superman. One.

Swamp Thing is an absolute obscure d-lister known more within the hobby on Alan Moore's inclusion than known in public based on the character himself. It's the same thing with the Authority.

What are you talking about with that sentence you wrote there?! Are you honestly trying to convey that this is an "A-List slate"!?!? The slate doesn't include Wonder Woman, and it doesn't include Batman - and Pattinson's Batman was hardly fully backed by the fandom at large. And in that sentence the follow-up is Authority and Swamp Thing?!?

Going no deeper than Green Lantern sounds lame. Why not bring both popular characters and lesser known characters out? This is a best of both worlds approach.

It is a both world's approach, but not even remotely the best of both worlds approach. The only character property on that list that stands to drum up any grassroots excitement is likely Booster Gold. And maybe, maybe The Authority but I'd guess that could be the same general-population curiosity that Watchmen got.

Andrew's automatic assertion that it will flop is funny. It's basically an assumption that a Swamp Thing movie can't make money, period.

I don't think Andrew's mental calculus on that was as shallow as the presumption that "a Swamp Thing movie can't make money". Why was that your go-to re that comment? ;) Swamp Thing has a lot of challenges to becoming successful for today's movie-goer including grass roots support from fans and social-acceptance from a puritan generation who likes to talk about "global warming" but won't put their money where their mouths are.

For my end of it, I'd say that Swamp Thing could make money, but I see it as an effort for it to make enough to justify a sequel. I think it could break even, but it that's because it won't take much to make a Swamp Thing flick again.

The Authority is a bizarre, yet awesome choice.

Like I said - The Authority can hit that Watchmen / Squadron Supreme level of curiosity. But like I was getting at earlier - they are Universe building. A lot of these properties don't lend well to that. They should've put their best I.P.'s forward and gone no deeper on film than Green Lantern and used those as launch pads for these other weaker I.P.'s.

RaphaelinSTL

01-31-2023, 05:20 PM

I haven't liked a single DC thing in nearly over a decade outside of Joker and last year's Batman movie. When I see this slate, Superman: Legacy interests me because I'd like to see Superman outside of the ****** Snyder death hold and Swamp Thing because I love that character a lot.

Batman Brave and Bold doesn't interest me in the slightest as I don't prefer solo Batman stories.

Fan reaction outside of this forum seems much more positive to this slate.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 05:28 PM

:roll: There is one "A" list intellectual property on that list and it's Superman. One.

:roll: Ummm, no. There is a Superman and a Batman movie on the slate. Two Batman movies. And a series that will likely feature Wonder Woman. :roll:

Swamp Thing is an absolute obscure d-lister known more within the hobby on Alan Moore's inclusion than known in public based on the character himself. It's the same thing with the Authority.

Lol, what is a "d-lister"? We aren't doing the alphabet here.

Swamp Thing is lesser known yes, let's call it "C" or "B" and avoid trying to be hyperbolic. That said, he's already had two theatrical films and a mini-series, which is more than Iron Man had before 2008. I'd never argue he's a "A-lister", but again that's what Batman and Superman are for.

No one argued that these are all "A-list" characters. Quite the opposite was said. It's a mix.

You argued that DC was doing what the MCU did by launching with only lesser-known characters. That's not true.

What are you talking about with that sentence you wrote there?! Are you honestly trying to convey that this is an "A-List slate"!?!? The slate doesn't include Wonder Woman, and it doesn't include Batman - and Pattinson's Batman was hardly fully backed by the fandom at large. And in that sentence the follow-up is Authority and Swamp Thing?!?

The slate does include Batman. Yes, two Batman films. The Reeve's one, as well as "Brave and the Bold".
What are you even talking about? Maybe I should let you catch up before I address the rest of your points.

I'm guessing you just read the titles, without taking two minutes to see what they actually represented. Piece of advice: You really shouldn't use the eye-roll emoji without doing your homework.

This is when you would say something like “Oh boy, that’s ‘dromers’ for ya! Always want to have an opinion, but don’t want to do the work!” ;)

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 05:35 PM

Andrew's automatic assertion that it will flop is funny. It's basically an assumption that a Swamp Thing movie can't make money, period. With the right approach, budget, creative team, Swamp Thing, like most things, could be a smash. Let's wait a little bit before deciding what is going to flop, based on a name.

WB has shown 0 ability to generate a DC hit in quite some time. Does anyone even remember the last one? Now you think James Gunn (whose only foray into DC has been a huge flop) is going to make Swamp Thing a big hit? There's no way. I'm not even sure throwing Guillmero Del Toro at it would guarantee much of a turnaround.

Superman, Batman, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, there's decent hooks to these things. Swamp Thing... I'm not seeing it. Maybe if this was like Phase 2 or 3 of an otherwise successful DCEU relaunch with a proven record and even then, eh.

And yeah, how far should we look into the "Legacy" subtitle of Superman? Like, maybe he has his gay sons already? That'd go against him being a young, new news reporter, as was mentioned would be the case here. Then "Legacy" like... the Supergirl from The Flash is there and he's showing her how to carry his on? Superboy is around, too? Steel? Make it like a Superman ensemble movie? Ugh, if so.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 05:38 PM

WB has shown 0 ability to generate a DC hit in quite some time. Does anyone even remember the last one? Now you think James Gunn (whose only foray into DC has been a huge flop) is going to make Swamp Thing a big hit? There's no way. I'm not even sure throwing Guillmero Del Toro at it would guarantee much of a turnaround.

Joker and Batman were both hits. People here will try to downplay their success, but it's quite silly to do so. Both those films did "really well" at worst, in terms of both critical and financial success.

Joker is now the top-grossing R-rated film of all time. It's wearing the championship belt. On a miniscule budget.

The Batman grossed $800m with a six-week theatrical window and instant stream date. Then it had huge streaming numbers.

Both films have won numerous awards and were hits with critics, and a favorable portion of fans.

If that argument doesn't work for you, toss it out the window and remember that we aren't dealing with the same WB or DC that we were dealing with six months ago. It hardly makes sense to judge them based on the last few years, in their current state.

I do think it's silly to automatically assume Swamp Thing will be a "flop". Horror movies are in a renaissance period right now. If you can do this film with a decent budget and a strong approach, there is certainly a more than fair chance that it can make it's money back and then some.

I have no clue why Swamp Thing wouldn't be successful, based on what we know, which is basically nothing.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 05:49 PM

Joker and Batman were both hits.

Sorry, I mean stuff that isn't non-DCEU intended stuff.

The Batman grossed $800m with a six-week theatrical window and instant stream date.

Still ending notably lower than BvS, TDKR, and TKR.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 05:54 PM

Sorry, I mean stuff that isn't non-DCEU intended stuff.

Still ending notably lower than BvS, TDKR, and TKR.

Why does it matter when DC made the last “non-DCEU” hit? Doesn’t seem relevant, especially considering that wasn’t Gunn or Zaslav’s work.

The Batman was in theaters for six-weeks and went straight to streaming. No film, Batman or otherwise, has ever been put in that position. $800m, with the positive fan and critical reception, makes it an undeniable hit.

It also wasn’t the first film to have Batman fight Superman, and feature the first live-action Wonder Woman, so I wouldn’t compare it to BvS.
Initial films in a new series also have more legwork to do. If you look at any successful comic book adaption, the sequel almost always makes more. There’s probably an exception out there, so whoever can find it gets a cookie, but generally speaking, that’s how it goes.
Compare it to Batman Begins instead and it paints a much different picture.

It’s almost unimaginable to think Part 2 won’t make more than part 1 made. That’s typically how it goes when you have a successful first film.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 06:00 PM

Why does it matter when DC made the last “non-DCEU” hit?

Because this is the new DCEU. Movies they're making that are designed to fit under a particular umbrella of other movies. The last time they did this was... the old DCEU. I hope that clears it up.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 06:02 PM

Because this is the new DCEU. Movies they're making that are designed to fit under a particular umbrella of other movies. The last time they did this was... the old DCEU. I hope that clears it up.

Key word being “new”.

You’re saying that Swamp Thing will flop because the old DCEU was trash?

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 06:28 PM

You’re saying that Swamp Thing will flop because the old DCEU was trash?

I'm saying Swamp Thing is a D list property and -- of recent times even going back a ways -- WB has had a string of flops even with A list properties in the DCEU. Putting out a new Batman or Superman movie, there is a level of built-in audience and awareness that, say, a new Black Adam movie would not have. So not only does it have to be good, it has to be really good to even have a small chance. So while a Swamp Thing flop isn't a guarantee, it's pretty darn likely. With WB.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 06:35 PM

I just don’t understand why you’re acting like WB doesn’t know how to make a hit. Furthermore why you’re placing so much weight on the old regime, when there is a brand new one.

I really think trying to frame things around the DCEU only strengthens the point that the old DCEU came from another regime. Who cares what was or wasn’t the DCEU - it all came from the same place. Nothing was established. It all felt random.

We already know that lesser-known comic characters can still make for successful films. The MCU did it before they were successful.

If the Batman and Superman films are great, and there’s no reason to automatically believe they won’t be, then that gives something like Swamp Thing a little more credibility.

Really, the hyperbole into “D-list” character is a little desperate though. He’s had two live-action films, a television series, and was written by one of the most popular comic writers of all time. Swamp Thing isn’t that obscure. You guys are talking like this is Cave Carson or Kite-Man.

Autbot_Benz

01-31-2023, 06:39 PM

Swamp Thing isn't a D list property. Like Aqua said Swampy is B-C list.

He has had tons of runs in comics Len Wein Alan Moore Scott Snyder and The New Swamp Thing Levi Kamai written by Ram V. Also as a member of Justice League Dark in the comics.

Not to mention 2 Movies in the 80's a short lived cartoon a live action series in the 90's than the live action one on DC Universe a few years ago that sadly got cancelled .

Not to mention various animated cameos in Batman Harley Quinn Justice League Dark Justice League Action and JLD Apokolips War.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 06:40 PM

Fine, C list. And didn't Swamp Thing just have a live action TV show that didn't even last 1 season?

Autbot_Benz

01-31-2023, 06:42 PM

Fine, C list. And didn't Swamp Thing just have a live action TV show that didn't even last 1 season?

yes that was the DC Universe/HBOMAX show James Wan did.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 07:04 PM

Fine, C list. And didn't Swamp Thing just have a live action TV show that didn't even last 1 season?

It’s not a negotiation lol. Swamp Thing has cred to his name.
More than Guardians of the Galaxy ever had before Gunn came along and made them stars.

IMJ

01-31-2023, 07:42 PM

I just don’t understand why you’re acting like WB doesn’t know how to make a hit.

Well by that logic Batman v Superman should've eclipsed the first Avengers flick by every metric.

Swamp Thing isn't a D list property. Like Aqua said Swampy is B-C list.

That's a rough call, but Swamp Thing isn't even remotely a B-list property. The character had one acclaimed publication run by a top tier industry author. You're telling me that Swamp Thing would be seen by the greater fandom as upright there with the Flash, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter?!? And you're citing an obscure animated movie cameo?!?Q Furthermore, one where the character was paraded in as a simp-joke and slowly dropped back into the swamp after being used as a Deus Ex Machina out of nowhere?

I don't know where you guys are coming from with some of this analysis. :lol: One of my favorite Marvel characters of all-time is Quasar. I have a pretty neat little Quasar collection of stuff that I've amassed over time, yet even in my absolute love for the character and secret desire to own the Quantum Bands I still would be able to admit that the character is, at best a Marvel C-Lister. I mean c'mooonnnnnnnnn....:lol:

And what's even funnier is that some people here are focusing on f'n "Swamp Thing" as their best defense when in fact this production slate is loaded with some deeper crap than even that. I love the GOTG flicks - I really do - but Gunn didn't do much else for Marvel there and let's face it - Suicide Squad didn't exactly spawn a franchise to build a universe around -ahem-.

I think Gunn can pull something together, but anyone who sees that announcement slate should be scratching their heads and not even remotely pimping it as "brilliant". :roll: Especially for "Universe" building.

Oh yeah, a DC Universe on film culminating into a "Crisis" movie featuring "Young Superman" and "Swamp Thing" rallying the characters like "Enemy Ace" in biplanes transporting the Creature Commandos and Amanda Waller into space and time against the Anti-Monitor after a stint on T.V. That's the feature film the fandom needs.... -barf-

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 07:48 PM

IMJ

01-31-2023, 07:56 PM

Love Marvel. No clue who Quasar is lol. You’ve convinced me there actually are “D-list” characters, I’ll give you that.

IMJ, you didn’t even realize this slate had a DCU Batman film and you’re still out here debating about it with the attitude of a 14 year old girl. Go to bed lol.

I tease in jest, but c’mon. You wanna get attitude, you should at least know what you’re talking about - that’s required.

No I knew it. I read it earlier today that they were giving Pattman a sequel. But my point was that it wasn't on the announcement list and not originally cited here. Also, even if everyone believed that particular Batman franchise was great, it's still one off-universe, awkward addition to a complete D-List movie plan.

All I'm saying is that anyone who read this announcement and reacted like it's amazing or great news is a DC Simp or is pretending to be intellectual to comic book guys who know better. Also, telling me I should know what I'm talking about and the sole thing you've got for that is that I didn't know at an earlier time that a new Batman movie was coming is ridiculous. Having that knowledge wouldn't change a single point I've made here. "Oh okay they added a Pattinson Batman sequel... well that cements it, Gunn is brilliant".

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 07:57 PM

No I knew it. I read it earlier today that they were giving Pattman a sequel. But my point was that it wasn't on the announcement list and not originally cited here. Also, even if everyone believed that particular Batman franchise was great, it's still one off-universe, awkward addition to a complete D-List movie plan.

All I'm saying is that anyone who read this announcement and reacted like it's amazing or great news is a DC Simp or is pretending to be intellectual to comic book guys who know better.

Wow.

You still don’t know.

All you are indicating is that you don’t do your research before talking out your butt, dude. This “anyone who reads this announcement and…” is a thinly veiled insult coming from someone who has no clue what they’re talking about lol.

It’s also just embarrassing - “pretending to be intellectual to comic book guys who know better” - Man, what circles do you hang around in that has you thinking people behave this way? No one does this, but it sounds eerily close to projection.

“The Brave and the Bold” is a Batman movie, set in the DCU. It’s on the slate, as seen in the first post.

Galactus

01-31-2023, 08:01 PM

Y'know when they were cancelling everything left right and center I grudgingly accepted it was for the best. There were some aspects of the DCEU that worked but overall it's seen as a tainted brand by joe public and really the best thing to do would be to reboot the whole thing. Just say whatever happens at the end of Flashpoint starts a whole new DCEU. I would have personally tried to keep most of the actors but it's seems the rumours were true that Affleck wasn't interested in anything beyond cameos and Cavill wanted more money than WB thought he was worth. Plus you have to assume that they may not be willing to commit to another ten year plan. Thus starting completely from scratch was the way to go.

I assumed they'd keep things simple:

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Justice League

If that worked then in Phase 2 you can add a deeper cut like Swamp Thing. This just seems way too ambitious for a brand that needs to regain the public's confidence.

IMJ

01-31-2023, 08:11 PM

“The Brave and the Bold” is a Batman movie, set in the DCU. It’s on the slate, as seen in the first post.

I shouldn't be proud of this, but it's very likely that I actually own more Brave and the Bold comic books than you do. Unless you are a hardcore DC guy of some kind.

You don't know that a Brave and the Bold movie would actually feature "Batman" in this climate. Additionally, it would be another ensemble movie and not necessarily a Batman vehicle dude.

It's a low tier slate, missing their strongest I.P.'s and with much slated for television. It's not exciting. But I understand you like and somehow identify with Swamp Thing. So I'm excited for you considering that's your thing... Swamp Thing. With a name like Aquaparade I'd have thought you'd like fishy characters, but I guess moss. Moss is your thing. Slowly moving moss from a one trick pony director announcing a $#!( slate of movies. Buy that ticket. :)

I'll wait for a trailer, but right now this seems like a planned flop.

Plus you have to assume that they may not be willing to commit to another ten year plan. Thus starting completely from scratch was the way to go.

Yeah I mean... on those merits that's a solid point.

I assumed they'd keep things simple:

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Justice League

If that worked then in Phase 2 you can add a deeper cut like Swamp Thing. This just seems way too ambitious for a brand that needs to regain the public's confidence.

Maybe they are "subverting expectations". You know... like The Last Jedi. The kind of thing were most regular people are left scratching their heads, but a bunch of coffee-shop-guru-yuppies, balding and wearing thick-rimmed glasses and black sweaters would think it was great as if it was a one-off artfilm. Actually, now I can see why Aqua is excited about this.... :)

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 08:12 PM

I shouldn't be proud of this, but it's very likely that I actually own more Brave and the Bold comic books than you do. Unless you are a hardcore DC guy of some kind.

You don't know that a Brave and the Bold movie would actually feature "Batman" in this climate. Additionally, it would be another ensemble movie and not necessarily a Batman vehicle dude.

It's a low tier slate, missing their strongest I.P.'s and with much slated for television. It's not exciting. But I understand you like and somehow identify with Swamp Thing. So I'm excited for you considering that's your thing... Swamp Thing. With a name like Aquaparade I'd have thought you'd like fishy characters, but I guess moss. Moss is your thing. Slowly moving moss from a one trick pony director announcing a $#!( slate of movies. Buy that ticket. :)

I'll wait for a trailer, but right now this seems like a planned flop.

It’s already been confirmed that it’s about Batman. Holy crap, dude lol. Put down the keyboard and do your research.

I thought we’d have to wait a few years, but this thread is already gold.

RaphaelinSTL

01-31-2023, 08:36 PM

Still ending notably lower than BvS, TDKR, and TKR.

Though truthfully, BvS cost a **** more to make and sunk like a rock in the following weeks. TDKR followed one of the biggest movies of all time in TDK.

The Batman came off the stink of those terrible Snyder films while doing its own thing in a time too where theater attendance wasn't a surefire thing if your movie wasn't Marvel.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 08:46 PM

RaphaelinSTL

01-31-2023, 08:51 PM

DC has always kind of sucked anyway, so this ain't no sweat off my back ... but again, a horror-esque Swamp Thing and Superman redo sounds fun.

ChosenOne

01-31-2023, 09:00 PM

I don't know where you guys are coming from with some of this analysis. :lol: One of my favorite Marvel characters of all-time is Quasar. I have a pretty neat little Quasar collection of stuff that I've amassed over time, yet even in my absolute love for the character and secret desire to own the Quantum Bands I still would be able to admit that the character is, at best a Marvel C-Lister. I mean c'mooonnnnnnnnn....:lol:

How do you feel about the high likelihood that the first Quasar we get in the MCU might be Phyla-Vell instead of Wendell?

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 10:36 PM

To sum up the announcements: a Superman movie we already knew about, a Supergirl movie, a Batman movie -- sort of, a Green Lantern show we already knew about, and then a bunch of weird The Suicide Squad-level sh**.

Lol damn this slate really messed you up. What were you expecting? This isn’t even the entire “first chapter”.

I’m pretty shocked people are complaining. They covered the gamut from A-lister to C-lister and announced an entire connected universe, essentially.

“a Batman movie - sort of”? What is “sort of” about it? It’s a Batman movie…
Just seems like you’re desperate to disqualify everything however possible tbh.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 10:42 PM

“a Batman movie - sort of”? What is “sort of” about it? It’s a Batman movie…

I'm aware of the Batman: The Brave and the Bold cartoon, but The Brave and the Bold is traditionally an ensemble book that only sometimes includes Batman. And Gunn is big into those old books.

Now, I'm sure Batman will have a decent size part in it.

AquaParade

01-31-2023, 10:45 PM

I'm aware of the Batman: The Brave and the Bold cartoon, but The Brave and the Bold is traditionally an ensemble book that only sometimes includes Batman. And Gunn is big into those old books.

Now, I'm sure Batman will have a decent size part in it.

Gunn said Brave and the Bold is a “father and son Batman movie”. It’s a Batman movie. About Batman and Robin. The DCU version.

Did anyone else here actually listen to or read the announcement before getting excited or extremely pissed off?

Turo602

01-31-2023, 11:20 PM

Gunn said Brave and the Bold is a “father and son Batman movie”. It’s a Batman movie. About Batman and Robin. The DCU version.

Did anyone else here actually listen to or read the announcement before getting excited or extremely pissed off?

Yeah, I don't understand the confusion either. Seemed pretty f*cking straightforward.

I'm not too thrilled about it though, but at least they're moving forward with something. It's hard to be excited right now without knowing much of anything about these projects. Still butthurt about Cavill and Affleck, so whoever they get to be in these roles have big shoes to fill.

I'm not convinced DC is saved or on the right track until we see something. But it is at least a little reassuring that they realize the importance of Superman and Batman. But overall, a lot of these projects just feel random and with no real direction like we had with Snyder and the whole Darkseid thing. I also don't know how I feel about them doing Supergirl this early either. Feels kind of forced.

Andrew NDB

01-31-2023, 11:49 PM

I think Supergirl is just, "Well, we have this new Supergirl from Flash, and that tested really well so..." Which is fine. If Gunn feels strongly the actress and character are going to connect with people in The Flash then better to get a project with her going than to wait 5 years and then see, as has been the strategy so far. For all we know she was the test audience's favorite part of it.

It's a bit "interesting" that she is the "Woman of Tomorrow" and Superman himself is "Legacy," though. But that may be looking into this too far.

Also, no actors playing 2 characters in the DCEU and let's do Aquaman 3, so that blows out the stupid Momoa as Lobo rumors. Even though Momoa as Lobo wouldn't have been the stupidest announcement amongst that list.

ZariusTwo

02-01-2023, 04:20 AM

Just found out Creature Commandoes was a legit comic book from back in the day written by J.M DeMatties, who's best known for Spider-Man classics like Kraven's Last Hunt.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 06:22 AM

The couple people in here flipping out don’t even know what’s actually on the slate. Kinda telling. I think some people just want to be angry.

CyberCubed

02-01-2023, 06:32 AM

I think it's pretty dumb to have two new Batman at the same time. So they retire Affleck's Batman, but we still have Matt Reeve's Batman and now another brand new Batman in this Damian Wayne movie? Isn't this kinda dumb, especially since we have a new Superman? They could have just worked Matt Reeve's Batman into this new bigger universe since it was a reboot.

I mean this is the same mistakes they were having before, now having multiple versions of the same character in movies in different continuities. And then this is in addition to the sequel of The Joker movie which is its own thing as well.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 06:53 AM

No, Matt Reeves was never going to play ball with that.

Elseworlds stories are cool. You get the benefits of a shared universe and the benefits of creative-freedom at the same time. Batman, being a versatile character, is well suited for this.

On one hand, it is strange to see such a constantly revolving door of actors playing Batman, but if the market supports it and the quality is high, it’s only a good thing.

Chris

02-01-2023, 07:41 AM

Honestly, he announced more than I was expecting at this point and I'm on board for it. I want DC to do well. Hopefully they can finally crack it this time.

Creature Commandos is a very out of the box choice for the first project and I think safe to say on no one's radar.

Waller getting her own series is good (and good writers attached). This feels a bit like some of the early New 52 stuff where a series that was already planned has been moved to the new universe. Since they confirmed it takes place between seasons 1 & 2 of Peacemaker we know it's not a full reboot (more on that in a second)

Superman: Legacy - the big relaunch (they called the previous 2 series aperitifs). There's a lot riding on this and they need it to connect with the general audience in a way both Superman Returns and Man of Steel didn't manage to do. The description they gave is generic but also says they're going for a more classic interpretation of character. I'm optimistic. Yes, Cavill was done dirty (they even said as much at the press event) and I would have loved to see him get another shot under a new director, but after the years of back and forth and changing plans I'm more than ready for a fresh start without the baggage of the previous era.

Lanterns - not the Berlanti series (after all those years in development that's now dead). Sounds like a different approach, starting grounded with room to go much, much bigger as the DCU story unfolds. Again, really hopeful for this.

The Authority - all I really know about them is from the recent Morrison mini series and PKJ's recent Action Comics run. Again, not a project I would have expected but definitely something that will expand the universe and heroes that will be an interesting contrast to the more traditional heroics of Superman and the other JL characters.

Paradise Lost - THR lists it as a prequel series to the films, the quotes from Gunn and Safran never actually say this, just that it's set before Diana is born. Good way to start setting up the Amazon mythology whilst they figure out which direction they are going to go with WW herself.

The Brave & The Bold - honestly not sure why they didn't throw Batman before the title or even just go with Batman & Robin (1997 flashbacks aside). Bruce and Damian plus more members of the Bat Family will make sure it's different enough from Reeves & Pattinson's films. Will be nice to get that more comic book Batman with the extended family.

Booster Gold - honestly this one feels in Gunn's wheelhouse and I think will work in a series far better than it would as a movie.

Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow - not sure if this will be Sasha Calle or not, I like how they are positioning her rather than making her a Clark clone (something the TV series was guilty of at times) but honestly not a fan of that King story. Hopefully it will work better as an adaptation.

Swamp Thing - I was enjoying the Wan series before WB killed it after the AT&T buy out so I'm curious to see what they do here. Again, not something I would have thought of as "phase 1" but DC's "chapters" are bigger than Marvel's "phases" (at least their early phase 1&2) and we don't have the full Chapter 1 yet so there's almost certainly something that these off the wall choices are building into that we're not seeing yet, plus it's good to see they aren't afraid to go deep right off the bat. The last thing anyone wanted was another round of JL origin movies.

As the for this year's films - it pretty much sounds like the door is being left open and how hard or soft those character's reboots are depends on how things go this year (hence why there's no Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash or Shazam announced). Specifically speaking about Momoa they said he viewed Aquaman as a trilogy, he also loves Lobo, he won't be playing 2 characters, and they will figure it out after Aquaman 2.

Basically if the films make mega money (or the audience really love the character cameo in the case of WW) then there's a chance they could come back with a soft reboot. But if not they have the option to do a harder reset. Or it could simply be the decision has been made but they don't want to confirm it (or announce projects that would confirm it) before those films come out.

On continuity it's not a total reboot, Flash resets the universe, after that Blue Beetle is stand along enough it can be part of the new DCU and Aquaman 2 apparently leads to Superman somehow but 100% only canon begins with Gunn & Safran's first project.

Based on that I'm guessing that for any returning actors it will be a similar situation to Daredevil in the MCU. The history is probably very close to what has already been seen but not exactly and you won't need to have watched those films and shows to understand anything that comes next.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-01-2023, 09:57 AM

I think it's pretty dumb to have two new Batman at the same time.

Doesn't surprise me with how WB and DC milk Batman for what it's worth.

IMJ

02-01-2023, 10:27 AM

How do you feel about the high likelihood that the first Quasar we get in the MCU might be Phyla-Vell instead of Wendell?

Many of us in those circles basically feel that's a foregone conclusion. It would suck, especially when married against the fact that it would be amazing to see such a deep cut character on-screen in the first place, but then they'd SJW the character. Phylla is a disasterous mess. Avril a close second.

Did anyone else here actually listen to or read the announcement before getting excited or extremely pissed off?

I think that's the thing about pop-culture with deep fandoms that you don't understand. You are sort of demanding further research over a topic that people are either going to be into or they aren't. At this point only some solid trailers or actual production info might draw people in if they don't like something. It's pop culture - it's supposed to be fun and most people don't want to have mental consideration over bull$#!( like this. They get excited or they don't....

Yeah, I don't understand the confusion either. Seemed pretty f*cking straightforward.

I'm not too thrilled about it though, but at least they're moving forward with something. It's hard to be excited right now without knowing much of anything about these projects. Still butthurt about Cavill and Affleck, so whoever they get to be in these roles have big shoes to fill.

I'm not convinced DC is saved or on the right track until we see something. But it is at least a little reassuring that they realize the importance of Superman and Batman. But overall, a lot of these projects just feel random and with no real direction like we had with Snyder and the whole Darkseid thing. I also don't know how I feel about them doing Supergirl this early either. Feels kind of forced.

This echoes my sentiments as well, pretty precisely.

My only thing about the Brave & The Bold thing is that given Gunn has talked about "younging up" DC on film I imagine TBAB to be a Damian Wayne launchpad for the most part. Not a fan of "offpsring" or "cross generational characters" myself. But hey, I've got a pretty long Batman run including the Morrison books, so maybe this will be my excuse to get rid of them, so there's that.

Good news for other people here though - they can finally get that glowing green Swamp Thing Nightlight they always needed in the lower outlet near the door of their bedroom. :)

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 10:29 AM

I think that's the thing about pop-culture with deep fandoms that you don't understand. You are sort of demanding further research over a topic that people are either going to be into or they aren't. At this point only some solid trailers or actual production info might draw people in if they don't like something. It's pop culture - it's supposed to be fun and most people don't want to have mental consideration over bull$#!( like this. They get excited or they don't....

Bro, you made an ass out of yourself. Just own it and move on.

If you want to roll your eyes at people and insult them for having a different opinion on a movie slate....take the time to know what's on that movie slate. All the info was readily available. No one expected you to be the expert until you adopted the attitude of a 14-year old girl and got sassy.

You don't know that a Brave and the Bold movie would actually feature "Batman" in this climate. Additionally, it would be another ensemble movie and not necessarily a Batman vehicle dude.

You say something like this, which highlights how misinformed you are, and then say it's my fault for expecting people to know what they are talking about. That's rich, man. RICH lol.

Andrew NDB

02-01-2023, 11:00 AM

As the for this year's films - it pretty much sounds like the door is being left open and how hard or soft those character's reboots are depends on how things go this year (hence why there's no Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash or Shazam announced). Specifically speaking about Momoa they said he viewed Aquaman as a trilogy, he also loves Lobo, he won't be playing 2 characters, and they will figure it out after Aquaman 2.

Basically if the films make mega money (or the audience really love the character cameo in the case of WW) then there's a chance they could come back with a soft reboot

Yeah, it sure seems like that's the case. It just seems a bit cowardly, since by the same token there is no guarantee that the "new" projects on the slate will fare any better than, say, Shazam 2 or Aquaman 2. I'd say just commit to it all now or throw it away.

On continuity it's not a total reboot, Flash resets the universe

Which was a bit of an announcement itself. A lot of people have always been assuming that's what would happen, but now they're coming out and saying it. And that's a bit of a spoiler, isn't it?

What I'm most curious about is if this was always the case. If The Flash was always going to reset the DCEU, or if this is something new, say, Gunn introduced.

CyberCubed

02-01-2023, 11:06 AM

Most of these announcements are for TV shows that will probably just have 8 episode seasons. It's not really a big deal. All the older CW and HBO DC shows are all ending or over and they're just replacing them with shorter shows.

All that really matters are the movies. Nobody is going to care if a Booster Gold TV series or a Amazon island before Diana was born show does well or not.

IMJ

02-01-2023, 11:09 AM

Bro, you made an ass out of yourself. Just own it and move on.

If you want to roll your eyes at people and insult them for having a different opinion on a movie slate....take the time to know what's on that movie slate. All the info was readily available. No one expected you to be the expert until you adopted the attitude of a 14-year old girl and got sassy.

You say something like this, which highlights how misinformed you are, and then say it's my fault for expecting people to know what they are talking about. That's rich, man. RICH lol.

Your response is 100% gaslighting man. You are so butthurt that most people don't like this movie slate that you are digging in really deep here. This whole "expert" thing is born of your manuevering, not mine. I never claimed expertise, and surely finding out about a "Batman" movie release four hours after the announcement instead of right away does not put a chink in my conversation armor at-all.

Your whole response is ridiculous. It doesn't even remotely match up to the conversation I was having. Go grab your Mossman He-Man figure and suck your thumb in the corner until you cool off. Nobody is happy with the film slate, or bare minimum nobody understands this outline when measured against "Universe building". :lol: Go read a 30 year old Swamp Thing trade to get ready for the DCU heyday happening 5 years from now. You'll feel better.

It's okay Aqua. It's okay. shhhhhhhhhh..... Here man - I'll make you feel better so as to be effective, okay? "AquaParade you know more about DC comics than I do, and you are infinitely more informed about this sucky DC Comic Movie-slate than I am. And that's probably because you needed something to create excitement but it sucks so badly for me that I didn't "Do the movie-announcement research" needed to be able to actually tell you that this slate sucks".

There now you are the expert of James Gunn DC property slates. Congrats. Except for the fact that most of these announcements that you've made inextricable from your being for some reason actually suck!

I love you, man. Aqua you... are awesome and informed. About the James Gunn DC Comics movie announcements. Big thumb's up. Love you man. Congrats on your big moment.

Most of these announcements are for TV shows that will probably just have 8 episode seasons.

Exactly. But some people here -ahem- "jumped the Gunn" so badly that they are freaking out that this whole announcement is nothing-burger suckiness.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 11:12 AM

Your response is 100% gaslighting man. You are so butthurt that most people don't like this movie slate that you are digging in really deep here. This whole "expert" thing is born of your manuevering, not mine. I never claimed expertise, and surely finding out about a "Batman" movie release four hours after the announcement instead of right away does not put a chink in my conversation armor at-all.

Your whole response is ridiculous. It doesn't even remotely match up to the conversation I was having. Go grab your Mossman He-Man figure and suck your thumb in the corner until you cool off. Nobody is happy with the film slate, or bare minimum nobody understands this outline when measured against "Universe building". :lol: Go read a 30 year old Swamp Thing trade to get ready for the DCU heyday happening 5 years from now. You'll feel better.

It's okay Aqua. It's okay. shhhhhhhhhh.....

Exactly. But some people here -ahem- "jumped the Gunn" so badly that they are freaking out that this whole announcement is nothing-burger suckiness.

"Gaslighting" is the most abused term these days.

What happened is you said something incorrect, with attitude, and got corrected. That's it.

You can feel however you want about the slate, but don't have attitude when you don't know what you're talking about & don't play victim when you get called out.

I'll tell you again that no one expected you to know there was a new Batman movie....until you decided to insult people who felt differently you. As seen here, for example:

All I'm saying is that anyone who read this announcement and reacted like it's amazing or great news is a DC Simp or is pretending to be intellectual to comic book guys who know better.

Why would you say something like this when you don't even know what's on the slate? What an overreach. How bizarre is that.

You know someone is really melting down when they accuse you of "gaslighting" them for correcting their misinformation and calling out their poor attitude.

IMJ

02-01-2023, 11:20 AM

Aquaparade sitting at his computer looking for any arguable nuance in the James Gunn DC Slate thread -

"NNOOOOOOOOOOOoooo!!! AAHHHHH!!!! I NEEEED this winnnnnn!!!!"
"GOD GIVE ME SOMETHING! I NEEEEEEDDD this WINNNN!!!!"

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

F'n Aquaparade.... shakes head :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"I NNNEEEEDDD IIIIT!"
Take your lithium, man. Swamp Thing is eternal. He will be there for you when you awaken.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 11:22 AM

Am I the only one here who is seeing this guy talk total crap over a movie slate, only to realize he doesn't even...know what is on the slate?

No one expected this guy to be informed. I just expected him to only speak - harshly - on things he was informed on. And then pulling the "gaslighting" card??
Idk, just weird.

Look how bad he wants the Swamp Thing joke to stick. Several people had to inform him that Swamp Thing isn't "D-List", but he's reverting to that over and over with me, because he doesn't want to discuss the rest of the slate and how misinformed he was. That's him trying to divert attention away. Pretty transparent.
I'll humor it though. I love Swamp Thing and this guy needs a win.

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Anyway, I think this is a great slate, personally. It appeals to my tastes, what can I say.

The writers they have on board are an interesting mix of great and awful though - they have Drew Goddard alongside Christina Hodson. The next big step is seeing who they get lined up to direct. That will be a big deal to me.

Zulithe

02-01-2023, 12:40 PM

I am pretty excited about the lineup, it is a well-rounded basis that has something for everyone. But a lot of this will come down to casting, writing, and director choices which we don't know much about yet.

Sumac

02-01-2023, 01:03 PM

Plans are plans, WB had a lot of those over years.
Let's see how this batch will get...

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 01:32 PM

Plans are plans, WB had a lot of those over years.
Let's see how this batch will get...

Plans are plans, yes, but that was a different WB. No point in holding the new neighbors accountable for what the old ones did.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 02:09 PM

James Mangold (Logan) in talks to direct Swamp Thing.

Surely just a d-lister about to flop.

ChosenOne

02-01-2023, 02:12 PM

WB is just marginally better than Sony when it comes to comic book movies.

Andrew NDB

02-01-2023, 02:33 PM

James Mangold (Logan) in talks to direct Swamp Thing.

Surely just a d-lister about to flop.

Mangold makes good movies. It doesn't mean anyone will show up but that definitely improves the odds a bit.

Kind of a pity to waste him on Swamp Thing. It'll just come out, bomb, then he'll talk about how he knew, deep down he should never do a comic book movie and will swear them off forever, like Martin Campbell.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 02:42 PM

Zulithe

02-01-2023, 03:38 PM

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 03:47 PM

I appreciate your avatar AquaParade! Maybe you were like me as a kid in the 90s, I watched Swamp Thing (82) Return of the Swamp Thing (89) and the live action TV series (90-93) over and over. I looked forward to new episodes of the show on USA Network on weekend nights. I personally think the first season is the best but anyway. I *MAY* be in the minority, but I don't think they should have gotten rid of Jim the way they did. They literally had him kidnapped and shipped to south america where he became a slave in order to write him out of the show. Sheesh! That's like the worst fate for any kid character I can think of from that period.

Oh, and the Swamp Thing toon, which wasn't bad. As well as the Kenner figures from the show. Some of my most played with figures. I just really loved Swamp Thing, the horror and supernatural elements of it, and the mysterious setting of the Swamplands itself.

The '19 series was pretty good but apparently failed to make much of a wave, but I'm hoping this new movie can top it. I guess the '19 series wasn't THAT big of a failure or they wouldn't already be considering a film.

Thanks. I just changed my avatar to see if I could get IMJ to literally melt, but I am warming up to it.

I’ve never actually seen any of the Swamp Thing adaptions, sans the 2019 series. That show had awesome visual effects but left me a little cold. I’ve been considering checking out the old movie adaptions, out of curiosity, because I am such a big fan of the comics. In particular the Alan Moore and Rick Veitch runs.

Really, that Alan Moore run has to be one of the greatest runs in comics. I’ve been meaning to read both the Mark Millar/Morrison run and the recent series by Ram V and Mike Perkins.

IMJ

02-01-2023, 04:04 PM

Mangold makes good movies. It doesn't mean anyone will show up but that definitely improves the odds a bit.

Kind of a pity to waste him on Swamp Thing. It'll just come out, bomb, then he'll talk about how he knew, deep down he should never do a comic book movie and will swear them off forever, like Martin Campbell.

Bare minimum with Mangold in charge, at least we know that Swamp Thing dies in the end. :lol: Then he can grow an offspring so it's not the legacy character anymore and DC will be sloppy seconds to Groot. Except Swamp Thing glows a soft-warm green, so that's cool. :)

Thanks. I just changed my avatar to see if I could get IMJ to literally melt, but I am warming up to it.

NOOooohohoho....I don't actually care about Swamp Thing... you do. :) Besides after your implied talk that you are expert, it looks like you are tourist, instead! At least I grew up seeing the Swamp Thing movies. :) At least I watched that character whose avatar you are pimping there now.... you didn't! HAHAHAHHAHA It's even better now!!! Aqua gettin' fresh with a little moist piece of moss he keeps next to his Turtles and film collection... mwa mwa mossmanny I love youuuuuu.....

:)

Ah yes. - Scratches chin cerebrally- This movie slate of Swamp Thing and some F-Lister I.P. T.V. shows shall truly reinvigorate a Film Universe.

OHMY**** I N G GAWWWDDD! YOU AREN"T EXPERTS YOU DIDN"T READ THE SLATEIDIDBUTNOTYOUuuuu! OH MY GOD!!! -bangs on keyboard and eats the keys- AHHH Give me this win INEEDTHISWIIIIIN!!

Dude, stop Aqua-Parading around the room and clean it. That moss in your room that's so warm and soft? It's not supposed to be there - if you clean the room and remove the sticky old action figures the moss will go away.

:lol::lol::lol: ;) Because your Daddy never told, I will.... I love you, son.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 04:23 PM

Wow, that worked better than I expected.

Andrew NDB

02-01-2023, 04:30 PM

Wow, that worked better than I expected.

That's your takeaway from that? :lol:

I want to be clear that I’m not against you having a negative opinion on the slate, it’s just the way you present it seems extremely …pouty?
It seems like you’re mad at the slate. Am I getting that right? Are you mad at the slate?

Again with the "You guys are losing your MINDS!! ahahahaha!!" sort of rhetoric. No, I'm not mad at the slate. The only time I've felt anything beyond apathy for the DC "slate" in years is the 5 minutes when it looked like we'd get another Cavill Superman movie. I guess my invested interest in the HBO Max Green Lantern show went from "dread" to "possible hope," so there's that going on. But yeah, other than that, right back to apathy. Now, I understand you seem pretty heavily and emotionally invested in the slate that was unveiled so I can also understand how a little bit of projection might be happening.

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 04:37 PM

That's your takeaway from that? :lol:

Again with the "You guys are losing your MINDS!! ahahahaha!!" sort of rhetoric. No, I'm not mad at the slate. The only time I've felt anything beyond apathy for the DC "slate" in years is the 5 minutes when it looked like we'd get another Cavill Superman movie. So yeah, right back to apathy. Now, I understand you seem pretty heavily and emotionally invested in the slate that was unveiled so I can also understand that a little bit of projection might be happening.

I can understand how I seem emotionally invested but the truth is you guys were literally getting smarmy when you didn’t even realize what movies were actually announced. You just looked at the titles and went off. I am emotionally invested in people knowing what they’re talking about, sure.

I’m just saying you seem to have a passionate hatred for the slate. What would you have wanted announced?

Autbot_Benz

02-01-2023, 05:11 PM

the recent series by Ram V and Mike Perkins.

The Ram V run is fantastic. It's a new swamp thing in that run. The artwork is really well done . There are 3 books covering the whole 16 issue run. The final book is out next week

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 05:14 PM

The Ram V run is fantastic. It's a new swamp thing in that run. The artwork is really well done . There are 3 books covering the whole 16 issue run. The final book is out next week

Sweet. I saw some of the artwork and I knew I had to get to it eventually. Have you read the Mark Millar run? Curious about that one.

Autbot_Benz

02-01-2023, 05:44 PM

Sweet. I saw some of the artwork and I knew I had to get to it eventually. Have you read the Mark Millar run? Curious about that one.

no just Len Wein's and Alan Moore's run and his appearances in Justlce League Dark that Ram V did

IMJ

02-01-2023, 05:53 PM

That's your takeaway from that? :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude. He needs a win, man. :lol:

AquaParade

02-01-2023, 06:35 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude. He needs a win, man. :lol:

Wait, did you want a response to… that meltdown you posted? Idk what to say, man. Get well soon?

ZariusTwo

02-02-2023, 04:34 AM

I am somewhat happy Swamp Thing gets another chance, the HBO series wasn't that long ago, perhaps rather than reboot it should be a continuation of that show, i feel like they could be missing a trick if they don't do that.

No doubt a mix of Ram V and Alan Moore would be best for the film

The only time I've felt anything beyond apathy for the DC "slate" in years is the 5 minutes when it looked like we'd get another Cavill Superman movie.

Why has it suddenly become a thing to think Henry would have been the answer to DC's problems necessarily? Cavill would not have made any significant bank as Superman if he came back, that was proven when Black Adam came out. Henry is squandered potential, but it's been ten years, that's time enough to admit that nothing's worked out and we must move on to something new.

AquaParade

02-02-2023, 05:43 AM

Ooh Andrew’s meltdown is because he is mad at Gunn ditching Cavill. I can see it now.

Cavill deserved another shot but that’s not Gunn’s fault.

ProphetofGanja

02-02-2023, 05:52 AM

Yeah, Cavill was a good Superman but every movie he was in was just way too somber. They want a new energy going forward it seems

I still am curious about how they're gonna do this "soft reboot" of the DCEU since a handful of actors will be continuing their roles but most won't

AquaParade

02-02-2023, 06:08 AM

Though truthfully, BvS cost a **** more to make and sunk like a rock in the following weeks. TDKR followed one of the biggest movies of all time in TDK.

The Batman came off the stink of those terrible Snyder films while doing its own thing in a time too where theater attendance wasn't a surefire thing if your movie wasn't Marvel.

Exactly. Only people who don’t understand box office try to make the argument for BvS being more successful than The Batman. Theatrical window, production budget, IP involved, whether it’s an established series or a new take, etc

He doesn’t take this stuff into account. Andrew repeats this point quite often, then gets push back, and waits a few months before saying it again.

Yeah, I don't understand the confusion either. Seemed pretty f*cking straightforward.

Extremely straightforward. Only a couple people here struggled with knowing what was actually on the slate before throwing a tantrum about it. Bizarre, man.

I think WB has just, somewhat understandably, become a hotbed for many people. They could announce anything today and there’d be people screaming at them for whatever the last regime unceremoniously did.

Andrew NDB

02-02-2023, 01:02 PM

So basically if The Flash is a hit and people love Sasha Calle's Supergirl, she'll probably be Supergirl in the Supergirl movie.

https://comicbookmovie.com/the-flash/dc-studios-dont-know-whether-the-flashs-sasha-calle-will-star-in-supergirl-woman-of-tomorrow-a200205?fbclid=IwAR3lsH3S95L0SCVlDW1AdvUaAZXp-b3VhgxOglq7tVqa313FpbAUFATecAU#gs.0dce.owrvdl

IMJ

02-02-2023, 03:41 PM

AquaParade

02-03-2023, 08:13 AM

James Gunn says no DC film will be rushed:

"We are not going to put hundreds of millions of dollars into a film where a screenplay is only two-thirds of the way done and we have to finish it while we’re making the movie... it's a mess."

Thank goodness for this one. Guy really learned not to follow the weaknesses of the MCU it seems, because he also said something about having films that “actually feel different”, rather than films that just pretend to be different genres.

These have been two of my major complaints with the MCU for a while now. Wonderful to hear he’s not taking that approach.

I mean, if he didn’t seem so close to Feige, I’d think he’s out for blood, because a lot of these approaches he’s boasting are in opposition to what the MCU has clearly been doing.

That plus the slate Gunn has chosen, which is right up my alley, and I almost couldn’t be more thrilled.

Only downside for me is I’ve never been able to stay fully engaged with one of Gunn’s films. The humor doesn’t click with me. James Mangold is one of the best picks you can get for Swamp Thing though, so as long as the strong directors keep coming in, we’ll be golden.

I’m happy to say one of the reasons I was looking forward to Gunn taking over is the fact that directors will want to work with a guy like him who understands their perspective. That’s looking to be true.

Supposedly there is a “big name” director also on the slate but they didn’t announce the project because the director is notoriously slow. Very interesting. Who’s a big name that’s known for being slow? Quite a few of them, really. Any guesses?

Here’s my next prediction: we are going to see quite a few MCU directors step aboard this train. It’s going to be their chance to make a superhero movie in a similar but -ideally - better environment. Gunn already formed relationships with some of these people, so the ground is laid.

I would not be surprised to see the Russo bros, Scott Derickson, Edgar Wright, or maybe even Favreau if we are lucky. Anyone from that side of the fence is a strong possibility imo. Especially anyone who had a project go south over at Marvel. This is their redemption, following in the footsteps of Gunn.

Jester

02-04-2023, 05:49 PM

I wasted my time/life watching this so I thought I'd torture you with it as well:
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oldmanwinters

02-04-2023, 06:57 PM

Gunn really has the mad scientist look going.

Dpooly84

02-04-2023, 07:44 PM

He looks like the mayor of whoville lol

AquaParade

02-10-2023, 05:47 AM

Out of this whole slate, I think The Authority adaption is the one I am most looking forward to or at least curious to hear more about. I feel lucky to have the first issue in nm condition. Very cool series. Sort of a mix between “The Boys” and “Justice League”.

It’s a hugely influential comic. The book was known for birthing the trend of “widescreen comics”, which is basically a comic book visual style that’s highly cinematic, slick and epic in scope. The Authority’s success directly led to Marvel doing “The Ultimates” comic (same artist - Bryan Hitch, same tone), which was a huge influence on the MCU.
It all comes full-circle.

Second to that is Superman. I’m a huge fan of Man of Steel but I’m excited to see a different angle on it. Especially with Morrison’s influence. Compared to Man of Steel, it could sort of be the “yin” to that “yang”. I like moody Superman and poppy Superman. I’ll take both. I’ve been dying to see another great Superman film for a while.

Third is definitely Swamp Thing, which would probably be higher a few years ago, but some of the itch was scratched when the HBO show directly adapted the Moore comics. It wasn’t perfect by any means but it scratched an itch, if that makes sense. I probably just need to see a trailer later on and my excitement will shoot right back up.

And then there is Brave and the Bold, which rounds out the last of my list.
I’m definitely not sick of Batman, and the fact that they are adapting Morrison’s work, in a sense, is more than I could have reasonably asked for, but we’re getting it. The only caveat is I’m spoiled with Batman stuff and variety is the spice of life.

As for the rest of the list, I can’t be bothered to even remember what it is at the moment. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it, I just don’t care about the other projects as of now. The Batman part 2 and Joker part 2 are also about as high as possible but I’m just talking about the Gunn stuff right now.

All that said, this list will probably change drastically once the creative teams come together. At the end of the day, the artists themselves are going to play a bigger role in my enjoyment than what characters they are working with. Execution is 99% of the job.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2023, 11:08 AM

I'm mostly looking forward to seeing "The Batman Part 2" getting slapped with the big "ELSEWORLDS" logo that Gunn says it supposedly will get slapped with. And then me probably not watching the movie.

AquaParade

02-10-2023, 11:24 AM

I'm looking forward to the logo too. I'm glad they are doing multiverse stuff. We need different flavors of comic book films. MCU became too homogenized.

Should be interesting to see how general audiences react to Brave and the Bold vs Batman Part 2.

"Brave and the Bold" is a Batman movie, for anyone who didn't read the slate. I wonder if there will be a big fan divide between the two different films. All depends for now, but yeah it will be interesting if nothing else.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2023, 11:32 AM

AquaParade

02-10-2023, 11:44 AM

Honestly, I'm really curious what Gunn has in mind for the DCEU Batman. I saw potential in the Affleck Batman eventually hitting that sweet spot between Burton and Nolan with the door open for more comic accurate and larger-than-life stuff to show up so the coming of The Batman definitely made for a little bit of mourning of that. But this? This could could be even better. Particularly with Grant Morrison being the big influence for all of this. Morrison's Batman run in particular is phenomenal. The idea of getting that Batman, on the screen? Wowzers.

That's what I'm feeling. Morrison's Batman is incredible. I'd love to see The Black Glove, Dick as Batman, Flamingo, etc.
It's a completely off-the-wall, cerebral take on Batman, but it's unlike any Batman we've seen on-screen before. It celebrates the history of the character and embraces the heightened reality that many fans seem to be craving in the wake of both Nolan and Reeve's grounded takes. I still appreciate the grounded version of Batman but I'm also ready for something else.

Who knows if we will actually see those other elements aside from his version of Robin, but Gunn is probably the only guy who was ever going to be in the position and right mindset to attempt it.

It's really hard to grasp what it will be like until we at least know the director though. If they do go all in on the Morrison influence, It's interesting to think about who would be the appropriate director for something like that.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2023, 11:46 AM

It has to be Matthew Vaughn. Right? lol, Guy Ritchie maybe?

AquaParade

02-10-2023, 11:47 AM

It has to be Matthew Vaughn. Right?

That's a very interesting proposition. I have to mull on who I'd think it could be, be but that's better than any realistic suggestion I can think of at the moment.

Edit: Maybe Sam Raimi? He recently expressed desire to do Batman, which I'm letting influence me, but he also has a great take on slightly gothic but still colorful material. I can see him doing Batman RIP. Vaughn is good choice too and probably wants to do it. Who doesn't want to do Batman, for that matter.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2023, 11:53 AM

That's a very interesting proposition. I have to mull on who I'd think it could be, be but that's better than any realistic suggestion I can think of at the moment.

Edit: Maybe Sam Raimi? He recently expressed desire to do Batman, which I'm letting influence me, but he also has a great take on slightly gothic but still colorful material. I can see him doing Batman RIP. Vaughn is good choice too and probably wants to do it. Who doesn't want to do Batman, for that matter.

That's if "Multiverse of Madness" hasn't soured him on doing big budget comic book movies entirely. Which is likely. Also, that movie was BAD. If anyone could possibly woo him, though, it'd be someone like Gunn.

I remember Vaughn circling around Superman in the past, but it never happened. Hell, maybe he ends up doing Superman: Legacy yet.

AquaParade

02-10-2023, 11:58 AM

That's if "Multiverse of Madness" hasn't soured him on doing big budget comic book movies entirely. Which is likely. Also, that movie was BAD. If anyone could possibly woo him, though, it'd be someone like Gunn.

I remember Vaughn circling around Superman in the past, but it never happened. Hell, maybe he ends up doing Superman: Legacy yet.

I've tried finishing that movie like three times and I love Sam Raimi. Can't do it.

I think it's likely that soured him but I think it's just as possible he would want a chance to do another one, where he actually has a bit of agency. I believe it was during the MoM press tour, that he basically told Warner Bros to hit him up for Batman. Holy grail character, so he'd probably do it if they asked.

Vaughn was definitely close to doing Superman. Wouldn't be surprised to see him on Legacy.

Sumac

02-11-2023, 02:31 AM

Are we talkin about grounded take or more comic book-like?
Because, in the first case, I am not sure, if Raimi is a good figure for a grounded version.

Andrew NDB

02-11-2023, 03:21 AM

Are we talkin about grounded take or more comic book-like?
Because, in the first case, I am not sure, if Raimi is a good figure for a grounded version.

Not grounded. The grounded people can be sated with more Pattinson zipping around Gotham in his $300 squirrel suit in the Matt Reeves Elseworlds stuff.

But not TOO fantastical, I hope. As long as there's room for a monstrous Killer Croc, a Bane using venom that isn't retarded, Mr. Freeze and the presence of actual Lazarus Pits and the like, I'm happy.

AquaParade

02-11-2023, 07:16 AM

If we are going by Morrison’s Batman, which is what Gunn has been referencing, it will be rather fantastical. But fantastical in a sort of psychedelic way. I’m not holding my breath for Gunn to adapt more than just Damian, but if so, **** will get weird.

Even when Morrison is grounding the more fantastical elements of the comics, it’s still very inventive and mind bending.
One of the elements of his Batman story is that Bruce basically creates/self-programs a backup personality/mental operating system of himself to take over for his surface consciousness, should it ever be incapacitated.
When Bruce is inevitably incapacitated, you get to see Batman without the humanity of Bruce Wayne - and he runs around in a purple & yellow suit. It’s wild stuff.

Morrison also has him facing an enemy who claims to be Thomas Wayne back from the dead, then possibly the devil, etc. There are many mysteries and hard to explain events.

We see Dick Grayson take over as Batman for a bit. There is a future timeline in which we see Damian taking over as Batman. Much of it is focused on legacy of the character. Accounting for much of his history, recontextualizing it, then looking towards the future.

Then he also just does stuff like fight ninja-man-bats. So it’s definitely rooted in the heightened-reality side of Batman stories. Sometimes it’s bombastic “Justice League fantastical” and sometimes it’s more akin to something you’d get from Stanley Kubrick or David Lynch.

All in all, it’s really hard to imagine Morrison’s work being adapted to film. If he only picks up elements like Damian, I won’t be surprised. Either way, I’m sure it’ll still lean into the zanier side of Batman.

I think Raimi could absolutely nail the Dick and Damian era of the Batman comics, but who knows if they’ll even get to that.

neatoman

02-11-2023, 01:15 PM

I wasted my time/life watching this so I thought I'd torture you with it as well:
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Ugh, MovieBob. I can't believe I used to watch this guy's videos on the regular... What did he say this time?

Autbot_Benz

02-17-2023, 08:35 PM

https://i.imgur.com/USM3j7U.jpg

AquaParade

02-18-2023, 05:52 AM

That’s a pretty great list. Some people will complain because it’s not members of the JL, but that’s weird. In the upcoming slate, We’re getting Batman (2x), Superman, Robin, Green Lantern, and more, so I really will never agree with the people implying this is a slate of “d-listers”, when it’s literally just not.

Hell, some of those lesser known characters like Authority or Swamp Thing may be unknowns to general audiences, but people who read comics would never refer to them as such, given their highly influential runs. Alan Moore’s ST is one of the most revered superhero comics of all time, no exaggeration.

Batman, Superman, Robin, and GL are some of the biggest names in DC comics. Especially when you consider they already have a current Aquaman and possibly Wonder Woman atm. It’s really just plain inaccurate to call this a “d-list” slate but to each their own.

But as for this list of somewhat lesser known, but still awesome characters. I’d be happy with most of them. In particular, I’d love to see The Court of Owls, Freeze, Deathstroke, Constantine, and of course, Dick Grayson as Batman.
Those are the five I’d pick, but I’m pretty sure Lobo is going to take one of those spots.

Just the possibility of Dick as Bat now has me more anxious to hear about Brave and the Bold than Batman part 2. I just love those comics too much.

ProphetofGanja

02-18-2023, 08:49 AM

Personally I'm hoping for some Zatanna and some other Justice League Dark members

Autbot_Benz

02-18-2023, 10:03 AM

Personally I'm hoping for some Zatanna and some other Justice League Dark members

you and me both

Autbot_Benz

02-19-2023, 12:04 PM

https://i.imgur.com/oj93Nh0.png

James Gunn
@JamesGunn
Replying to
@BabySmurkyy

@bleedingcool
and 2 others
Clark Kent is in Legacy.

Andrew NDB

04-03-2023, 12:57 PM

Alan Moore’s ST is one of the most revered superhero comics of all time, no exaggeration.

And I'm sure he'd be delighted to see them adapt more of his stuff.

AquaParade

04-03-2023, 01:00 PM

And I'm sure he'd be delighted to see them adapt more of his stuff.

Not at all, but the point remains lol.

That said, I doubt he really cares much if Swamp Thing is adapted. He won't watch it, but his real issue is with stuff like Watchmen, where every time it's adapted or used, it's another measure that keeps Alan from ever getting the rights to the story, as was in his contract.

So if anyone wonders why Alan Moore is so grumpy over Watchmen in particular, that's why. Doing anything with Watchmen is basically a "fuk you" to Alan Moore. Granted, it's usually a "fuk you, I love you, and they're gonna do this with or without me - please forgive me."

I mean, I'm pretty sure all DC has to do to keep the rights away is keep the book in print, but still.

Andrew NDB

04-03-2023, 01:05 PM

Not at all, but it was still weird to call it D-list.

D- list may be a bit harsh. I'd say it's about a C+ list, if I was to be generous.

He won't watch it, but his real issue is with stuff like Watchmen, where every time it's adapted or used, it's another measure that keeps Alan from ever getting the rights to the story, as was in his contract.

So if anyone wonders why Alan Moore is so grumpy over Watchmen in particular, that's why.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-10-19/watchmen-hbo-embarrassing-comics-creator-alan-moore

I also like his quote about the horrible Watchmen TV show:

"When I saw the television industry awards that the Watchmen television show had apparently won, I thought, ‘Oh, god, perhaps a large part of the public, this is what they think Watchmen was?,’” he added. “They think that it was a dark, gritty, dystopian superhero franchise that was something to do with white supremacism. Did they not understand Watchmen?"

AquaParade

04-03-2023, 01:13 PM

D- list may be a bit harsh. I'd say it's about a C+ list, if I was to be generous.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-10-19/watchmen-hbo-embarrassing-comics-creator-alan-moore

I also like his quote about the horrible Watchmen TV show:

"When I saw the television industry awards that the Watchmen television show had apparently won, I thought, ‘Oh, god, perhaps a large part of the public, this is what they think Watchmen was?,’” he added. “They think that it was a dark, gritty, dystopian superhero franchise that was something to do with white supremacism. Did they not understand Watchmen?"

Can't blame him. I'd be pissed too. That said, I watched it. And I'd like to see someone else adapt Watchmen again. Not a quasi-sequel, but another take on the graphic novel. One that matches the tone of the comic more than Snyder's film, but is maybe a little less rigid in it's devotion to the source material when it comes to general plot. I don't need to see every panel on-screen again, as neat as that was.

I can understand why someone would refer to Swamp Thing as "C-list". That's pretty much how people referred to Iron Man before he went big. I mean, Swamp Thing has had a Wes Craven film so he's probably more recognized than Iron Man was at the time but it's debatable.

As someone who has read a ton of comics, I find it objectionable, because Swamp Thing is near-unanimously touted as one of the greatest comic runs of all time....but if someone isn't clued into that or simply ignores it, I guess it wouldn't come into play.

It also depends on how you weigh these sorts of things. To me, a comic character who has one of the greatest runs in comics...simply isn't a "C+ list comic character."
But if you are just measuring by general audience public perception, I can understand that. Show Swamp Thing to your neighbor and they may not know who he is. If that's your scale, I agree.

I still can't vouch for Gunn's slate being anything near a "D" or "C" list though, because it literally has the two most popular superheroes ever on it, among others.

IMJ

04-03-2023, 01:43 PM

If they are going the Alan Moore route I would be all-in for Mongul on the big screen, adapt one of the best Superman stories ever told in "For The Man Who Has Everything".

I love that book -

https://i.imgur.com/pHw6e7sl.jpg

All of Moore's Superman stuff ran with deeper thought across his storytelling.

AquaParade is playing the "expert" DC nerd, but he's never even read "Swamp Thing". If he has seen any of the pages, I've never seen him drop any hobby wisdom that even indicates he did more than maybe thumb through an Omnibus. He used to make a routine @$$ out of himself arguing with Leo about DC comics too.... :LOL: He needs a "win". The AquaParade nerd-win over a crappy, sub-par DC film slate. He's leaving all of us no choice but to think that his whole social-acceptance hinges on his DC movie argument.

For example, I've never made any contention about Iron Man being a sub-A-list character before his movie showed up. Arguably a C/B-lister, but at least Iron Man had real comic runs. Whereas Aqua's phony Swamp Thing fandom is over a character who never even ran 300+ issues. Actually Swamp Thing could only run 24 issues during comics Bronze heyday :lol: Even Swamp Thing volume 2 couldn't hit it's 175 issue anniversary! It doesn't affect me personally though - not the way it affects Aqua. AquaParade's entire social-being seems to hinge on his phony-DC credibilty. :lol: Swamp Thing is categorically a C- and arguably a D-Lister.

Aqua once read Alan Moore as a guest-writer on Spawn. Now he claims he knows prestigious comics. For everyone else, this slate could definitely be considered lower grade. AquaParade is a simple thinker though - he says that it's a great slate because it has the "two most popular superheroes ever". So did Black Adam and Suicide Squad part 1. AquaParade dove "all-in" super early, but right now and upon announcement it looked like these are actually vehicles for other content - much the same way the first Suicide Squad put Affleck's Batman and the Joker in the trailers but it wasn't their movie. It's the same as pimping Cavil in Black Adam.

But Aqua is such a simp for his "DC wisdom" that he's dug-in on the word play draw for his "win". "Batman the Brave and the Bold". :lol: As if that is actually a full-on Batman flick rather than a draw for DC simps - just like the 1st Squad flick. But we will always have AquaParades word play and of course his DC Comics expertise - not across the whole hobby, not in any verifiable publication anywhere, mind you. Not anywhere credible in the hobby. But definitely here on the Technodrome forums. :lol: :lol: It's like he announced here that he was a "big DC fan", but has no reading and done nothing that we can verify for the hobby, but now he has to prove his "fandom" at all costs.

But for everyone else here, yeah I'm with you 100%. I'd love to see more DC Alan Moore on-film. Because so far I'm not excited at all about these DC film announcements. I'd like to be though - I've been reading DC, including Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, going back about 35 years now. I think, going back to the announcement day that the properties they chose were mistakes for grabbing audiences and for Universe building. Hopefully AquaParade gets lucky and his Brave and the Bold movie turns out to be his "Batman flick" as opposed to just more "Batman shows up in the Suicide Squad".

Andrew NDB

04-03-2023, 11:25 PM

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 09:18 AM

AquaParade is playing the "expert" DC nerd, but he's never even read "Swamp Thing". If he has seen any of the pages, I've never seen him drop any hobby wisdom that even indicates he did more than maybe thumb through an Omnibus. He used to make a routine @$$ out of himself arguing with Leo about DC comics too.... :LOL: He needs a "win". The AquaParade nerd-win over a crappy, sub-par DC film slate. He's leaving all of us no choice but to think that his whole social-acceptance hinges on his DC movie argument.

Bro, I don't need a win enough to sit here and lie, like you. Talk about desperate. :roll:

Here is me talking about my love of the Swamp Thing run, three years ago:

I love that Swamp Thing run. Speaking of Alan Moore, I just finished "From Hell".

It was incredible.

And another:

Is anyone else reading Immortal Hulk? I have the second deluxe hardcover on the way. I definitely enjoyed the first. To be reductive, I'd say it's like a lightweight version of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. Pretty dang good for a modern Marvel comic.

I'm also reading Brave New World for the first time since high school. Very fun book.

Aaand another:

My favorite DC characters to read about do tend to fall outside of the Trinity as well - Batman, Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Constantine, Joker, Dr. Fate, Deadman, Catwoman, plus all the Verigo stuff, which is in essence, a bit of an offshoot but still under the DC label.

Annd some mooooore:

One about The Foot. Here's an old post of mine I still stand by.

The general concept is so good...

Here's where I'd throw a wrench in your plan: I think IDW is the origin to adapt, for a few simple reasons:

A. It's more cohesive than the Mirage origin, and arguably easier to digest.

B. There's a lot you can do with the mystery and debate over whether they are really reincarnated or not (Alan Moore Swamp Thing, anyone?). IDW could have done more with this angle, I believe.

C. It's fresh, fun, and it works.
...

Anyways, love your outline either way, Powder.[/QUOTE]

Again, here is some..."Moore":

Yeah, should have figured. I've always liked the concept your suggesting though. Very 'Alan Moore Swamp Thing'.

Wow, it's almost like you're completely and totally wrong: This is a nutshell is what I have hoped for since the reincarnation aspect was introduced in issue #5. It's a bit like Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

Alright, almost done now. Here is one from 2013 lmao: I like what Tom is doing but I wouldn't be opposed to another writer taking the torch at some point down the line.

If it were me, I'd destroy the great new origin that Tom has come up with, chalking up all those memories of their past life as hallucinations due to the drugs they were injected with. It's not that I don't adore the new take on their origin, but I just think there'd be a ton of material to mine from that revelation. Yeah, I'm clearly influenced by Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

Don't worry, it won't be me.

Here is some Alan Moooooore from 2011:
Anyone else read Alan Moore's run on Swamp thing?

If they are going to throw the human aspect in there, I think it would be best if it was similar to Alan's run on swamp thing.

Basically what you have is the Swamp thing discovers that he is not Alec Holland, turned into a swamp creature, but instead a swamp creature that thinks he was once Alec Holland. The discovery that he never was human, but just retains the memories of a dead human was totally brilliant.

Screw it, everything must go. Here's me talking about Swamp Thing in 2010, around when I first got into the series:

Sounds like a great thread for me to "geek out" in :lol:

Lets see...I'm just going to list some of my favorite graphic novels and tpb's, and hope that it works as a "recommendation" for you.

Swamp Thing - I'm up to the third volume of the stories written by Alan Moore, and i'm falling in love with it. It's touching, haunting, and beautiful. It's really a great series, but not the most "traditional" comic book.
[B]

Woooof, you walked right into another hot one, my guy.:lol:
You're a regular "Charlie Brown".

It's sad that you feel the need to lie and conjecture to be right about a comic book character lol.

I've read the entire run multiple times. I own that new origin issue in a 9.6 cgc case, which is one of the only graded comics I own.

But IMJ says I haven't read it because he's never seen any proof of me reading it. We're strangers on a TMNT forum. What world is this guy living in? Welp, there's his proof lmao.

If you are going to disagree, you should do better than "liar!" based on nothing. This is how you end up in situations like we see above.:roll:
I'm trying to help you, man.

Now...let’s watch as IMJ either goes into full meltdown mode or moves the goal post. Because he certainly isn't going to own up to being incorrect. His best bet now is probably to do a 180 turn into an "you're so obsessed with Swamp Thing" bit and see what he can mine from that. That said, I'm betting he will just shift direction and try to change the debate from whether or not I've read Swamp Thing. Let's see.

Aqua once read Alan Moore as a guest-writer on Spawn. Now he claims he knows prestigious comics. For everyone else, this slate could definitely be considered lower grade. AquaParade is a simple thinker though - he says that it's a great slate because it has the "two most popular superheroes ever". So did Black Adam and Suicide Squad part 1. AquaParade dove "all-in" super early, but right now and upon announcement it looked like these are actually vehicles for other content - much the same way the first Suicide Squad put Affleck's Batman and the Joker in the trailers but it wasn't their movie. It's the same as pimping Cavil in Black Adam.

But Aqua is such a simp for his "DC wisdom" that he's dug-in on the word play draw for his "win". "Batman the Brave and the Bold". :lol: As if that is actually a full-on Batman flick rather than a draw for DC simps - just like the 1st Squad flick. But we will always have AquaParades word play and of course his DC Comics expertise - not across the whole hobby, not in any verifiable publication anywhere, mind you. Not anywhere credible in the hobby. But definitely here on the Technodrome forums. :lol: :lol: It's like he announced here that he was a "big DC fan", but has no reading and done nothing that we can verify for the hobby, but now he has to prove his "fandom" at all costs.

But for everyone else here, yeah I'm with you 100%. I'd love to see more DC Alan Moore on-film. Because so far I'm not excited at all about these DC film announcements. I'd like to be though - I've been reading DC, including Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, going back about 35 years now. I think, going back to the announcement day that the properties they chose were mistakes for grabbing audiences and for Universe building. Hopefully AquaParade gets lucky and his Brave and the Bold movie turns out to be his "Batman flick" as opposed to just more "Batman shows up in the Suicide Squad".

The bolded is just IMJ continuing to spout nonsense, which I've covered and negated above lol.

As for the rest, it's mostly IMJ still trying to arm-wrestle the slate argument back to being about the "quality" of the slate, as opposed to his meltdown over the factual matters of the slate. This is a theme for him. He got backed into a corner and is continually trying to argue that he is right because the slate "sucks".

But the reality is he is still embarrassed from speaking way out of turn at the start of this thread. Go see for yourself if you're curious.

Also, IMJ def didn't read Alan Moore's Swamp Thing lmao. It’s clear that he associates Alan Moore with high prestige, to the point that anyone claiming to read it is lying to seem cool or something equally insane.
This is IMJs projection of his own behavior. He thinks he’s prestigious if he reads Alan Moore. This dude is elementary.

As for "Brave and the Bold", it's a confirmed Batman and Robin movie. Will there be other characters? Sure, but they will be the main protagonists.
IMJ and Andrew are doubtful. Let's remember that for some more fun down the line :)

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 10:36 AM

Plus I'm pretty sure there's going to be a concerted effort not to show Batman in any truly solo movie, at least until Reeves is done with his boring trilogy. Out of respect to Reeves/professional courtesy.

Yeah, there's no real way to argue that Swamp Thing is not at least a C level character. He'd fairly niche. I remember when he popped up one time in the Kyle Rayner days of Green Lantern vol. 3, that was the first time I'd ever actually seen him in any DC comic, ever. I think that remains my only appearance of him I have or have ever read, and I have a pretty complete collection of GL comics, JLA and its spinoffs, and all, up through about 4 years ago. He's certainly a respected character, in his little corner. Way over there. No, keep going. Yeah, over there.

I agree. He's at least C-level.

Depends on how you weight it. You should read better comics tho. I guarantee none of those GL runs hold a candle to Alan Moore's work.
Put down those little green, yellow power ranger lantern books and read something good, Andrew.

And no one said “Brave and the bold” is a “truly solo movie”. You’re already trying to move the goalpost. Come on, man lmao. Too late for that.

IMJ

04-04-2023, 10:39 AM

:lol::lol:

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 10:44 AM

:lol::lol:

It's honestly smart of you to not dig in any deeper.

Easily the biggest "whoopsie" I've ever seen someone walk into here.:lol:

You're way more fun than Leo because you're easier to take down. Leo can be ridiculous but knows how to put up a sound argument that can't be destroyed quite so easily. You gotta do better if you want to be the new troll around here.:lol:

But I did call it:

Now...let’s watch as IMJ either goes into full meltdown mode or moves the goal post. Because he certainly isn't going to own up to being incorrect.

_____

Btw, have we heard any momentum on Mangold directing Swamp Thing? Hope that pans out. Only better choice would be Ari Aster or Robert Eggers imo, but that won't happen.

Andrew NDB

04-04-2023, 10:55 AM

I guarantee none of those GL runs hold a candle to Alan Moore's work.

That's a pretty dumb statement. Considering Alan Moore actually wrote some of it.

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 10:56 AM

That's a pretty dumb statement. Considering Alan Moore actually wrote some of it.

Nah, you're reading the color-coded power rangers stuff. Put it down and pick up some Alan Moore, boy.

A dumb statement would be you now inching towards "Well, Brave and the Bold won't be a truly solo movie", when no one on earth said it'd be a solo-story. Seriously, what is that?

IMJ

04-04-2023, 02:10 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 04:16 PM

"James Gunn Says It's Hard for Marvel to Make Good Movies After Endgame"

https://movieweb.com/james-gunn-says-it-is-hard-for-marvel-to-make-good-movies-after-endgame/

“I really want Marvel to keep making good movies. I think it’s really hard in the wake of the Blip. There’s this worldwide, universe-wide event that happened. And in truth, everybody would be stark raving mad at this point. So it’s hard to write stories in the wake of that. Which is why the ‘Guardians’ movies have been easier, because they’re set outside of that a little bit.”

Also:

"I think there is such a thing as superhero fatigue," the filmmaker tells Rolling Stone. "I think it doesn’t have anything to do with superheroes. "It has to do with the kind of stories that get to be told, and if you lose your eye on the ball, which is character. We love Superman. We love Batman. We love Iron Man. Because they’re these incredible characters that we have in our hearts."

"If it becomes just a bunch of nonsense onscreen, it gets really boring," he continued. "But I get fatigued by most spectacle films, by the grind of not having an emotionally grounded story. It doesn’t have anything to do with whether they’re superhero movies or not. If you don’t have a story at the base of it, just watching things bash each other, no matter how clever those bashing moments are, no matter how clever the designs and the VFX are, it just gets fatiguing, and I think that’s very, very real.”

This guy really gets it. This slate has a really good chance of kicking ass.

Andrew NDB

04-04-2023, 04:22 PM

This guy really gets it. This slate has a really good chance of kicking ass.

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZDIyMjU5MGZlNjljZWQ1ZGUwZTRjNzh hM2M2N2Y3ZDQ1MGQ1YTAzYSZjdD1n/3o7TKJgfPhqcck8elO/giphy.gif

Coola Yagami

04-04-2023, 07:40 PM

https://i.imgur.com/oj93Nh0.png

Sadly they already wasted their shot with Cassie Cain in that gawd awful Bird of Prey movie.

Andrew NDB

04-04-2023, 07:49 PM

Sadly they already wasted their shot with Cassie Cain in that gawd awful Bird of Prey movie.

If they maintain Margot's Harley and her continuity so far (which since Peacemaker is continuing means that's likely) then yeah. And that means Black Mask and Montoya too, sadly.

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 07:51 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZDIyMjU5MGZlNjljZWQ1ZGUwZTRjNzh hM2M2N2Y3ZDQ1MGQ1YTAzYSZjdD1n/3o7TKJgfPhqcck8elO/giphy.gif

Well your predictions are constantly wrong, to be fair. Not that it’s a big deal.

But I guess we do have to wait and see. Could be a flop if no one of quality wants to work with Gunn or something, but he is saying all the right things.

But I mean, you were on board for Ant-Man 3 so this may not be your thing, idk. Seems like he is trying to be the opposite of current Marvel in a few key ways.
If watching the mess of cg spectacle that was the Ant-Man 3 trailer interested you, well, he’s pretty much saying he’s gonna do the opposite.

Andrew NDB

04-04-2023, 07:55 PM

It's true. I was wrong about The Batman being any good. And Ant-Man 3, with its fairly good trailers. Though I wouldn't say Ant-Man 3 was BAD. It just wasn't much of anything at all, same as Doctor Strange 2, though at least AM3 delivered on its subtitle and DS2 did not. There was no multiverse of madness to be seen, just like 2 universes and they weren't even that weird.

AquaParade

04-04-2023, 08:10 PM

Woooo, all subjective but I can’t imagine preferring Ant-Man 3 to The Batman.

The Batman has pacing that puts even me to sleep, but at least it has some artistic integrity. Gorgeous film, quality music, pretty good writing, and some decent action.

Ant-Man 3 is a soulless mess of computer animation that’s been screen-tested to death so as to ensure audiences are laughing every 15 seconds. It’s just… product.

But hey, if we all agreed, we’d have nothing to discuss.

Autbot_Benz

04-07-2023, 11:34 AM

James Mangold is writing Swamp Thing

"The truth is, I'm writing both right now, and who knows what's going to happen and what's gonna blossom first or second? So there's your thing, I'm doing Swamp Thing, there's your scoop. It's not a rumour, it's happening. I put it online."

https://collider.com/swamp-thing-movie-james-mangold-writing/

Directing it as well from what James Gunn said

James Gunn
@JamesGunn
Of course when we started charting the course for the DCU one of the first people I talked to was the super talented
@mang0ld
about writing and directing his passion project Swamp Thing. #SwampThing

AquaParade

04-07-2023, 11:45 AM

Mangold Swamp Thing and Gunn’s Superman.

Promising start!

Edit: btw There are somewhat credible rumors that Vaughan could direct The Authority. I think Andrew called that. Nothing confirmed, but good job if so. Maybe I’m misremembering idk.

Edit 2: nvm I think Andrew said Vaughan for Batman, but still his name is swirling around the slate, which is something.

Autbot_Benz

06-15-2023, 08:32 PM

It’s official: Andy Muschietti is going to the Batcave.

Ahead of the release of his superhero movie The Flash, Andy Muschietti has decided to keep his feet firmly in the land of DC.

Muschietti finalized a deal to direct The Brave and the Bold, the feature project that will introduce a new big-screen version of Batman, one that will fit into the expansive universe being developed by DC Studios heads James Gunn and Peter Safran.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/batman-the-brave-and-the-bold-director-1235331062/#recipient_hashed=45d33e03e1ce19d2d71fd1e56dc07e34 e53fa686e3c54c35516ab039a7423e93&recipient_salt=b71c5cef69a4b84ea07f33227b699e5f920 49638ad353dbfd61c85efd8d3be8c

Andrew NDB

10-15-2024, 12:21 PM

Uh oh... don't tell Aquaparade... The Slate™ might not all happen.

https://comicbookmovie.com/dc-studios/james-gunn-says-dc-studios-dcu-slate-remains-in-development-but-warns-some-may-not-come-to-fruition-a213979?fbclid=IwY2xjawF7g7dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYMvi bHKJr-lNIGwC6RdF0WaD3pC_Udysz_wFx6-b2M65p5GswrKtSXGvA_aem_5wViUzytr4fAMovPqUk6-g#gs.9d256f.g61avz

ZariusTwo

12-30-2024, 11:40 AM

Jason Momoa officially recast as Lobo. Will appear in the Supergirl movie

https://deadline.com/2024/12/jason-momoa-to-play-lobo-supergirl-woman-of-tomorrow-1236243776/

Andrew NDB

12-30-2024, 12:31 PM

Wouldn't have happened if Aquaman 2 hadn't have been a bust. But here we are.

LeotheLateBloomer

12-31-2024, 10:20 AM

The Batman Part 2 delayed to October 2027.:trolleye:

http://www.ign.com/articles/the-batman-2-has-been-delayed-by-a-year-once-more-and-will-now-arrive-in-october-2027

Andrew NDB

12-31-2024, 10:39 AM

The Batman Part 2 delayed to October 2027.:trolleye:

http://www.ign.com/articles/the-batman-2-has-been-delayed-by-a-year-once-more-and-will-now-arrive-in-october-2027

I hope it's delayed to 2037. What a horrible first movie that was.

IMJ

12-31-2024, 12:44 PM

The Batman Part 2 delayed to October 2027.:trolleye:

http://www.ign.com/articles/the-batman-2-has-been-delayed-by-a-year-once-more-and-will-now-arrive-in-october-2027

I could do without a sequel to that one too.... Christopher Nolan-lite Batman while everyone has waited basically forever for a comic-accurate Batman.

Andrew NDB

12-31-2024, 12:55 PM

ToTheNines

12-31-2024, 01:31 PM

It's really pretty infuriating. It looked like little by little, we were absolutely going to get some comic book accurate Batman stuff with Battfleck, but after years of waiting and promises that's all yanked away and it's like, "Oh here you go, here's an even more grounded and barebones version of Batman than the Nolan one." And that script was STUPID.

lol, why do you say it was stupid? Riddler being 100 percent justified until the climax? At which point he’s so blatantly evil that there’s no tough call to make by stopping him…

Andrew NDB

12-31-2024, 01:40 PM

lol, why do you say it was stupid? Riddler being 100 percent justified until the climax? At which point he’s so blatantly evil that there’s so tough call to make by stopping him…

The riddles were all dumb and easily solvable, there weren't any arcs to speak of anywhere in sight. They made Bruce Wayne completely unlikeable and it seemed like they were on some Joker-like kick of maybe making the Wayne family evil, but didn't quite commit to it? Just very bad and dumb choices all around. Everything that "worked" in the movie (which wasn't much) worked much better in the Nolan films.

ZariusTwo

02-24-2025, 12:06 PM

DC Studios update from Gunn and Safron

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-tv-shows-updates-superman-batman-1236145240/

-Goal is to produce two live-action movies per year, and one animated movie per year

-Goal for TV content is two-live action series per year, and two animated series per year

-Five animated series are in production, including a Green Lantern animated series set in the same universe as My Adventures With Superman and Starfire

-Sgt Rock and Clayface are top priorities, Clayface will begin shooting this summer and be released next year

-Development of Waller, The Authority, and Swamp Thing hascooled in recent months

-The Batman II script 'no closer' to completion, but encouraging signs

IMJ

02-24-2025, 01:47 PM

These filmmakers really all need to stop jerking off in public with little addresses and speeches about "the plan" or about "their brilliance" and just make the content.

Celebrate and do the public masturbation after you've released a banger of a publicly-accepted movie.

Omfg, more recently we've been seeing this at Disney. It's like every episode of the failed Acolyte was followed up with some presentation by the showrunners about their brilliance. It used to be that guys like Lucas did that 15 years after the fact when people demanded more content and access to their amazing movies.

Now? These f'n Hollywood filmmakers are all cosplaying "genius artists" about 2 minutes after their release. And in the case of the DC? For two years now and we haven't even had a movie yet.

ZariusTwo

05-01-2025, 01:43 AM

A cancelation.

https://www.thewrap.com/sgt-rock-movie-canceled-dc-luca-guadagnino/?

The Sgt. Rock movie won't go forward at Warner

ToTheNines

05-01-2025, 04:32 AM

I’m shocked!

IMJ

05-01-2025, 12:21 PM

But the SLATE THE SLATE!!! Anyone who wanted that cancelled simply can't have any merit as a source of experience or knowledge! THe SLATE!!!

whoof. sorry. Got possessed for a minute by a previous irrational, obsessed, maniac forum member. :lol:

Andrew NDB

05-01-2025, 12:27 PM

Get ready for Swamp Thing, though! An A lister! Actually 5 AAA diamond stars rated.

CyberCubed

05-01-2025, 01:47 PM

Andrew NDB

05-01-2025, 01:54 PM

They'd wait until after Supergirl to make any "hard" decisions. Though I shudder to think the lessons that would be learned if Superman tanks and yet Supergirl somehow does gangbusters. Can you imagine?

IMJ

05-01-2025, 02:51 PM

Get ready for Swamp Thing, though! An A lister! Actually 5 AAA diamond stars rated.

It's not possible that you are an informed Green Lantern fan because if you were you'd love this slate! Only one man, and he alone, can see how amazing this slate was - only he had the vision to understand the depths of this brilliance of movie announcements.

And now he'll have to make his own stop motion Sgt. Rock movie. Because it aint on the slate no more.

As for the actual continued convo - why did they pick that actress to play Supergirl? Isn't Supergirl basically an Aphrodite? A Cleopatra? A Pam Anderson? A... dare I say it.... Melissa Benoist?

sdp

05-01-2025, 05:54 PM

If Superman underperforms they'll definitely cancel half the planned movies besides the ones that are very far along or just keep the Batman-centric movies. They'll keep Supergirl since that's already underway, and the Brave and the Bold movie which is supposed to be the debut of this universes Batman and Damian Wayne? As far as I remember.

Then there's the Green Lantern TV series but that will go forward with HBO.

It's funny, just like with Man of Steel so many years ago, the whole plan relies on Superman being successful. When MoS failed, it took years to get the sequel and instead of Superman 2 it became a Batman movie featuring Superman basically and then Justice League which both underperformed and we all know how that went.

The Superman movie looks good but I mean I'm not going to watch it in theaters, I don't really think people will either. It also has a lot of "competition". But you know, I don't see the competition doing well either. You have Fantastic Four which are another set of superhero movies that have never been very successful and people in general are tired of cape movies. And you also have Jurassic World Rebirth, which dinosaurs could've hit with audiences as something different...but in case you're not familiar they added a Rancor like mutant, not even a hybrid dinosaur a straight up star wars looking gorilla monster as the main bad guy. So I hope everything fails but I guess one of the movies would have to "beat" the others.

Coola Yagami

05-01-2025, 06:00 PM

It's funny, just like with Man of Steel so many years ago, the whole plan relies on Superman being successful. When MoS failed, it took years to get the sequel and instead of Superman 2 it became a Batman movie featuring Superman basically and then Justice League which both underperformed and we all know how that went.

To be fair, I assume the MCU would have been quietly shelved if Iron Man just didn't resonate with audiences and bombed horribly.

I honestly don't know what made me see Iron Man to be honest. I know he's important in the comics, but he just didn't seem all that big to me, at the time, like Spider-Man, Wolverine or even Captain America. I guess I was just curious, but RDJ's energy just kept me hook all the way through. The way he wanted a Big Mac first thing upon being rescued and being returned to America.

Andrew NDB

05-01-2025, 06:18 PM

As for the actual continued convo - why did they pick that actress to play Supergirl? Isn't Supergirl basically an Aphrodite? A Cleopatra? A Pam Anderson? A... dare I say it.... Melissa Benoist?

I think it's good casting. Supergirl should be a little plucky thing, physically much smaller than Superman but still with real beauty. It's only in the modern era that Supergirl has become like "Superman's Equal" and Superwoman in everything but name.

Coola Yagami

05-01-2025, 06:51 PM

As for the actual continued convo - why did they pick that actress to play Supergirl? Isn't Supergirl basically an Aphrodite? A Cleopatra? A Pam Anderson? A... dare I say it.... Melissa Benoist?

What version of Supergirl have you been reading? Sure she's a pretty blonde, but she wasn't like a damn super model. Are you confusing her with Power Girl?

CyberCubed

05-01-2025, 07:40 PM

I mean doesn't Supergirl always start off as a teen? They intentionally cast a girl who looks young, especially if they plan on keeping her around if there's like 10 year plan for this universe. She'll age over time.

IMJ

05-01-2025, 08:17 PM

What version of Supergirl have you been reading? Sure she's a pretty blonde, but she wasn't like a damn super model. Are you confusing her with Power Girl?

Bro lol big tits doesn't mean "hot model", it just means big tits.
Supergirl is routinely crazy attractive. Power Girl isn't "hot" - she's a porn star on-page.

I think it's good casting. Supergirl should be a little plucky thing, physically much smaller than Superman but still with real beauty. It's only in the modern era that Supergirl has become like "Superman's Equal" and Superwoman in everything but name.

I dunno - Laura V or Melissa B are more "Supergirly" in my mind's eye than the new girl. I just don't find her very attractive facially to be honest.

sdp

05-02-2025, 12:22 AM

Nobody wants a fat ****ing cow as supergirl, I grew up with DCAU Supergirl and Loeb's Supergirl. To me Supergirl is ultra skinny and it's how it should be.
Powergirl is the fat "thick" one for chubby lovers.

IMJ

05-02-2025, 09:29 AM

I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. In my head canon, the perfect Supergirl is Michael Turner's from the Loeb Superman/Batman book. And that is a goddess.

Andrew NDB

05-02-2025, 10:26 AM

I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. In my head canon, the perfect Supergirl is Michael Turner's from the Loeb Superman/Batman book. And that is a goddess.

I actually have the Michael Turner Supergirl figure. It's the only Supergirl figure I own. But she's not, like, tall. She's rather short.

IMJ

05-02-2025, 10:23 PM

I actually have the Michael Turner Supergirl figure. It's the only Supergirl figure I own. But she's not, like, tall. She's rather short.

Yeah I mean - it's not the height, it's the glamorous overall package. Honestly the new Supergirl looks like she'd fit in more with the weird agenda-casting of The Last of Us. I'm just not feeling it.

On that note, I remember some years back DC Direct was doing some "artist accurate" releases that simply blow away what McFarlane is doing today. The Ed McGuinness releases from Superman/Batman looked amazing - I've always wanted those but never put them together.

I'm not sure if I ever saw the Michael Turner styled-figures. That would be another amazing set.

EDIT
OMFG dude I just saw the DC Direct Superman/Batman Return of Supergirl stuff... oh God it looks awful. SO disappointing. It looks like they took a schizophrenic person, made him study Turner's art and sculpt what he saw.

Andrew NDB

05-02-2025, 10:49 PM

Like I think I said in the other thread, a picture is one thing... but if you watch this Supergirl actress actually perform, like in the Game of Thrones spinoff, there's something to her.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2025, 04:39 PM

Update on the slate:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/wbds-batman-2-superman-2-film-slate-plans/

CyberCubed

08-07-2025, 05:21 PM

The Batman 2 not until 2027...and no Batman in James Gunn for the forseeable future? That really does not bode well. Making a Clayface movie seems dumb too. For trying to start a new universe they're already confusing it and taking too long to get the established heroes out.

sdp

08-07-2025, 05:52 PM

I wonder how many movies theyll get to release before DC just stops releasing movies after so many underperform or even worse bomb. Besides Batman 2 I don't see many doing big numbers.
I'm excited for Supergirl and even clayface though I don't think they'll perform particularly great.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2025, 06:35 PM

Besides Batman 2 I don't see many doing big numbers.
I'm excited for Supergirl and even clayface though I don't think they'll perform particularly great.

I wouldn't even say The Batman 2 is a sure thing, largely because the first one SUCKED.

I have a very bad feeling about Supergirl and I'm genuinely curious about Clayface.

IMJ

08-07-2025, 08:21 PM

That first Pattinson Batman flick did indeed suck. It's not really fair to say it was awful, but "suck" is probably about the right word.

That movie was as much Nolan-lite creeper fantasy as Superman Returns was Reeve-lite creeper fantasy.

I'll never forget the boss here turning to me as the credits rolled in, saying with a tone of boredom about her hilarious Mexicana accent "do you really think he was the right one to be Batman?"

I laughed my @$$ off.

LeotheLateBloomer

08-08-2025, 10:17 PM

I'll say this, if they can use the villain Shame in The Batman 2, that'll get my butt in the theater seat.

sdp

08-08-2025, 10:55 PM

I have a very bad feeling about Supergirl

I dare you to tell that to her face
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxIOV_7XwAAbORb?format=jpg

CyberCubed

08-12-2025, 05:32 PM

The question is will appear the people who saw Superman in theaters come back for Supergirl? It's kind of a "chick flick" thing, and doing Supergirl right after Superman feels kind of same-y even if you she might be in space for most of the movie.

sdp

08-12-2025, 05:43 PM

Supergirl is going to be a meme movie. Who is not going to be reposting a cute drunk supergirl doing ridiculous things.

CyberCubed

08-12-2025, 06:05 PM

I can't see a lot of masculine men going to see Supergirl. Only exception is if they're going with some females to watch it. Imagine macho men and dudebros with chains and tattoo's going on a line and saying, "One ticket for Supergirl, please?"

It's also been proven that female superhero led movies tend to do worse than male ones even in the past.

Mr. Entertainment

08-28-2025, 11:29 AM

Tyler Hoechlin wants to play Batman "possibly" in the new DCU.
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/623023-superman-tyler-hoechlin-wants-to-play-dcu-batman

Andrew NDB

08-28-2025, 11:51 AM

Every time I see "Such-and-such actors wants to play..." it is an immediate and complete nothing burger.

sdp

08-28-2025, 11:54 AM

To be fair, I assume the MCU would have been quietly shelved if Iron Man just didn't resonate with audiences and bombed horribly.
Well they didn't announce the plans for Avengers until after Iron man over performed.
I'm sure they expected a BO much smaller for Iron Man but I also think they expected Incredible Hulk to do better.
So unless both did really bad and the investors pulled the money, they would've gone all in even if they had done just decent numbers.

In a way they did, I don't remember Thor 1 or Captain America do particularly great, most people jumped on board with Avengers, and that's when Disney had already purchased Marvel, so it had the full marketing behind it.

Daytona

09-04-2025, 08:56 AM

nidza_maj2000

09-04-2025, 09:11 AM

Pretty interesting thread in retrospect. People didn’t believe Brave and the bold was gonna be a Batman movie and predicted this universe was doomed (to be fair that’s still possible I suppose).

I hope we still find a way to make the authority work but sounds iffy.

Well in my opinion this universe is really good so far and I count Suicide Squad, Blue Beetle and Peacemaker season 1 also in this universe

Andrew NDB

09-04-2025, 10:57 PM

People didn’t believe Brave and the bold was gonna be a Batman movie

Eh, I'm still not convinced. It's going to be a big team-up movie... with Batman. And Damian.

IMJ

09-05-2025, 10:33 AM

Well they didn't announce the plans for Avengers until after Iron man over performed.

It's entirely possible that I'm the one who put an "Avengers" gathering on their radar as something the fans wanted given my very early interview with Jon Favreau for Iron Man. I also think I had pretty strong influence over the military jet scene in the first movie as well, but well.... I don't expect anyone here to believe that I suppose. :lol:

Also, the Fury/Stark end credits scene wasn't shown at the pre-screen of the first Iron Man movie - I was at one of them. It was filmed super duper late in the process and saved for the normal distribution.

People didn’t believe Brave and the bold was gonna be a Batman movie and predicted this universe was doomed (to be fair that’s still possible I suppose).

This is where people twist words and it just sticks like flypaper. The concerns I saw here and elsewhere wasn't that "Brave and the Bold isn't a "Batman" movie", but rather that it wasn't the pure "Batman vehicle" that the Universe needed. But when a comment like that turns into an argument with clown world, then clown world just twists the words into whatever meaning they want to fight over.

CyberCubed

12-13-2025, 11:24 AM

So aside from Supergirl and Superman 2, is any of this stuff actually going to come out? We know the Green Lantern TV series is in production for HBO but other than that:

- There's a Clayface movie happening

Everything else is on the bubble? The first Batman appearance was supposed to be in a Brave and the Bold movie, but we haven't heard anything.

- The Swamp Thing movie? Is this even still happening?

- The Authority movie? LOL, this is not happening

- Peacemaker is confirmed finished, there won't be a season 3. Although Peacemaker himself is likely to return somewhere else.

- The Amanda Waller TV series? LOL, this is not happening.

- A Wonder Woman movie/reboot? I mean I suspect it'll happen eventually, but this is far off.

- Blue Beetle 2 with the guy from Cobra Kai? We haven't heard anything since

- Booster Gold movie? Yeah, no.

As far as it looks now, outside of Superman 2, Supergirl, and that weird Clayface origin movie and Lanterns TV series, everything else is on hold or too far out and possibly canceled.

sdp

12-13-2025, 12:01 PM

The universe's 10 year plan was always a bit iffy from the start with the selection of movies, rebooting, etc. But I don't understand the hateboner most people seem to have. I mean so far Superman was good, supergirl looks more of the same fun.

I do think most of the hate and praise online is from all the baggage of the Snyderverse getting killed. Snyder fans just continue to poop on anything that isn't snyder and snyder haters continue to praise anything that isn't snyder. I have no strong feelings either way so I don't care. I mean I do think the current plan is going to fail but it's not because of quality, people are just tired of capeshit.

IMJ

12-13-2025, 12:19 PM

- There's a Clayface movie happening

Dumb. Completely unnecessary. Even the Marvel Venom flicks - waste of resources. So many characters in the roster, but they do "villain as protagonist" movies even before doing anything valid with the villain himself.

Everything else is on the bubble? The first Batman appearance was supposed to be in a Brave and the Bold movie, but we haven't heard anything.

Gunn would do that - but yet we have never. NEVER gotten a serious, comic-book level Batman movie. The closest we got to that was Batman v Superman warehouse scene, and maybe the Parademon rooftop scene. That's it.

The Swamp Thing movie? Is this even still happening?

The only real legs this movie could have were if it was a true Universe-building movie that establishes the Swamp as some kind of "necessary nexus" or something. But honestly, all that needed to be said about Swamp Thing was said in the 80's flicks and maybe in the humorous Batman TAS Harley Quinn flick.

The Authority movie? LOL, this is not happening

If it did, say hello to DC's "The Eternals" level flop of apathy.

Peacemaker is confirmed finished, there won't be a season 3. Although Peacemaker himself is likely to return somewhere else.

Did anyone actually deeply care about this series, or did people watch it because it had the "Captain Marvel" effect? Watch it for the perceived "required viewing".

The Amanda Waller TV series? LOL, this is not happening.

:roll:

A Wonder Woman movie/reboot? I mean I suspect it'll happen eventually, but this is far off.

Probably ten years before we see a dedicated Wonder Woman movie again. Who knows how long before we see one of merit.

Blue Beetle 2 with the guy from Cobra Kai? We haven't heard anything since

Must have been another great choice for "the slate!"

Booster Gold movie? Yeah, no.

I hate to say it but Booster Gold might have been DC's big chance to push a C-Lister into some kind of limelight. Maybe. Maybe?

Andrew NDB

12-14-2025, 08:17 PM

Dumb. Completely unnecessary. Even the Marvel Venom flicks

Sony Venom flicks.

we have never. NEVER gotten a serious, comic-book level Batman movie. The closest we got to that was Batman v Superman warehouse scene, and maybe the Parademon rooftop scene. That's it.

I think there could be a case for some of the Keaton stuff in the Flash. Like in the Russian factory.

I hate to say it but Booster Gold might have been DC's big chance to push a C-Lister into some kind of limelight. Maybe. Maybe?

Not if those casting rumors turn out to be true and its Kumail Nanjiani.

ZariusTwo

01-23-2026, 03:52 AM

Brave and the Bold's writer same as the Flash

https://deadline.com/2026/01/batman-movie-brave-and-the-bold-christina-hodson-1236691827/

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkZCydmwNOVYIL4gGqALGZDD79beWXX 4j0wg&s

Andrew NDB

01-23-2026, 09:38 AM

And more importantly, Birds of Prey. This thing is DOA.

IMJ

01-23-2026, 11:19 AM

Gunn probably should have started by announcing a film slate that made sense for cultivating an audience.

And then he probably should have announced it in conjunction with a trailer for the first movie instead of waiting for years to get anything out there. It's just not looking good so far....

Andrew NDB

02-08-2026, 02:27 PM

"Paradise Lost" is cancelled, apparently.

https://www.joblo.com/paradise-lost-dc-studios-dead/

The slate is really falling apart.

CyberCubed

02-08-2026, 03:22 PM

It's safe to say The Authority and Amanda Waller show are dead too, and Peacemaker isn't getting a Season 3 although he'll show up somewhere else. Is the Swamp Thing show still happening?

All that's left is Green Lantern and that Clayface movie they're making for some reason. Also a Booster Gold show?

Andrew NDB

04-28-2026, 11:14 PM

Updates:

https://www.ign.com/articles/james-gunn-explains-why-the-authority-fell-by-the-wayside-it-didnt-work-in-terms-of-the-larger-dcu

IMJ

04-29-2026, 07:04 PM

They've been doing weird stuff with the Green Lantern trailer..... up, down.

Andrew NDB

04-29-2026, 07:22 PM

They've been doing weird stuff with the Green Lantern trailer..... up, down.

Allegedly it was due to music they thought they'd had secured but then it turns out they didn't and the trailer got yanked by copyright.

Which is disappointing, if true. When I heard about it going down I thought with hope, "Oh wow! They want to erase that trailer from history so that they can 'fix' the show and then put out a real trailer!"

Andrew NDB

07-31-2026, 02:54 PM

Another one gone from The Slate:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-booster-gold-series-dead-at-dc/

Andrew NDB

08-12-2026, 02:30 PM

Waller is gone from the Slate too. And further confirmation Paradise Lost was cancelled.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/hbo-scrapping-dcs-waller-paradise-lost/

CyberCubed

08-12-2026, 04:18 PM

Yet they are still making a Jimmy Olsen TV series, why.?

IMJ

08-12-2026, 09:19 PM

Because they clearly want this new universe to fail miserably. That was clear going as far back as the original slate announcement.

sdp

08-12-2026, 10:14 PM

to be fair i don't think anyone was excited for those when they were originally announcedbut yeah that's like half the movies that were originally announced lol

ZariusTwo

08-12-2026, 11:52 PM

Waller is gone from the Slate too. And further confirmation Paradise Lost was cancelled.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/hbo-scrapping-dcs-waller-paradise-lost/

Official spin is both are still in development hell, but aren't at present a priority.

https://ew.com/dc-amanda-waller-paradise-lost-series-back-burner-12058302

Autbot_Benz

08-13-2026, 03:38 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Lsb6CN3.jpeg

neatoman

08-13-2026, 03:58 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Lsb6CN3.jpeg

Clearly TB&TB, nobody wants a random Batman movie unrelated to a series of Batman movies currently going on.

Autbot_Benz

08-13-2026, 06:31 PM

Clearly TB&TB, nobody wants a random Batman movie unrelated to a series of Batman movies currently going on.

The crappy reeves movies are elseworld movies ie in their own universe. TB&TB wouldn’t affect it. Also that post is a joke :lol:

Andrew NDB

08-13-2026, 06:33 PM

nobody wants a random Batman movie unrelated to a series of Batman movies currently going on.

Or a "random team-up movie that includes Batman unrelated to a series of Batman movies currently releasing one movie every 6 years."

But actually there's no Batman movie I'd prefer RATHER than a Batman movie unrelated to that horrible "The Batman" movie. I can't imagine much worse than more of that.

Autbot_Benz

08-13-2026, 07:49 PM

Or a "random team-up movie that includes Batman unrelated to a series of Batman movies currently releasing one movie every 6 years."

But actually there's no Batman movie I'd prefer RATHER than a Batman movie unrelated to that horrible "The Batman" movie. I can't imagine much worse than more of that.

Agreed watched the Batman once never again. Hated incel zodiac killer riddler

Andrew NDB

08-13-2026, 08:04 PM

Agreed watched the Batman once never again. Hated incel zodiac killer riddler

It wasn't a bad idea on an IDEA level. You can write up the synopsis of the whole movie and it could sound potentially very good. But that was a brain dead script executed abysmally and boringly, doubling down on the worst aspects of the otherwise pretty good Nolan movies.

IMJ

08-13-2026, 09:10 PM

That movie felt like Nolan-fan-fic to be honest. It was like a parody that took itself seriously for the coffee-house kids.

ZariusTwo

11-09-2026, 11:35 AM

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In a major shakeupJames Gunn and Peter Safran stepping down as co-CEOs of DC studios.

Skydance, which now oversees the division thanks to its acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery, has appointed former Marvel exec Jeremy Latcham to the post of president and chief creative officer of DC Studios.

Gunn and Safran are stepping down from their leadership roles effect Dec. 1, four years after taking over the job to much fanfare. The duo released three movies during that time (Superman, Supergirl and Clayface), as well as three live-action TV shows (The Penguin, Peacemaker season 2 and Lanterns), and had a decade’s worth of plans in the works.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-studios-shocker-james-gunn-peter-safran-stepping-1236750902/

Andrew NDB

11-09-2026, 11:41 AM

IMJ

11-09-2026, 11:59 AM

Holy moley... there goes that!

Savage. They weren't even willing to see how Man of Tomorrow did box office-wise. They're like, "NOPE... we need to hit the brakes on all this right NOW!" After Lanterns I don't blame them, honestly.

:lol:

I just saw this from CBR and came here to post it. Most reasonable people saw this coming twice.

Saw this coming 1.0 - that announced production slate
Saw this coming 2.0 - James Gunn holding business expos/interviews cheerleading his Universe design like Kevin Feige does. Yet holding those expos over years now before establishing an actual film output.

The only other time I've ever seen that happen so egregiously was this Indiana Jones Documentary some fan did where the documentary itself was basically a chronical of the guy going around telling people that they were making a documentary rather than actually making a documentary.

ZariusTwo

11-09-2026, 12:13 PM

Gunn's send-off on threads describes himself as having ADHD and not being able to navigate through corporate structure

IMJ

11-09-2026, 12:40 PM

Gunn's send-off on threads describes himself as having ADHD and not being able to navigate through corporate structure

-facepalms-

God, people will say anything to justify their corner nowadays.

Gunn previously and successfully made multi-million dollar movies, which is project-management done successfully on a scale that people don't often credit Director's for.

And so, what happened here is that Gunn got ego-high, and put the cart before the horse. Kevin Feige is just as insipid, with his "announcement seminars" akin to a Bill Gates dancing like a nerd onstage at a Microsoft product rally. Except that Feige, unlike Gunn, had already made some succcesful Universe movies before he started jerking off in public about it.

Gunn was never going to get people excited about f'n "Creature Commandos" and f'n "Clayface" before anyone got on board with one of DC's more accessible and interesting heros as an anchor.

sdp

11-09-2026, 12:52 PM

DC has got to DC lmao

frank_one

11-09-2026, 12:53 PM

So, can I have The Batman - Part 3 now?

Andrew NDB

11-09-2026, 12:56 PM

So what do they do? Quietly retool Gunn's DCU? "Soft-revival," I guess? Or burn it down and try again?

Or what?

So, can I have The Batman - Part 3 now?

Jesus, that's about the last thing on f***ing Earth we need, or I would want.

Barkworm

11-09-2026, 01:23 PM

What a disaster.

Andrew NDB

11-09-2026, 01:27 PM

Gunn's send-off on threads describes himself as having ADHD and not being able to navigate through corporate structure

God, I'm starting to see these interview bits now.

"It's not my faaaault, it is the ADHD!!!!!!!"

Saw this coming 1.0 - that announced production slate
Saw this coming 2.0 - James Gunn holding business expos/interviews cheerleading his Universe design like Kevin Feige does. Yet holding those expos over years now before establishing an actual film output.

It does remind me of one other time...

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oldmanwinters

11-09-2026, 01:59 PM

Guess the Slate got wiped clean?

Again!

CyberCubed

11-09-2026, 02:11 PM

No, Man of Tomorrow 2 is coming next year, as well as that Jimmy Olsen/Gorilla Grodd TV series.

My guess is anything not into deep production will be canceled and the universe will continue with different movies greenlit instead. They're not going to drop Superman/Lois/Luthor I'm willing to bet.

IMJ

11-09-2026, 02:19 PM

Back in the day some kind of 3-movie trilogy was on every actor's wishlist as a regular franchise paycheck.

Now? You get that simply by signing as a superhero. Milly Alcock technically has a trilogy of appearances between the first Corensweat flick, his sequel and her own movie. And the same for Corensweat if he appeared in Supergirl (I haven't seen that dog$#!( mess).

And so in reality they could wipe the current DC slate after the next Superman movie. I'd guess their best bet as a studio would be a big budget "Crisis" movie to meet Marvel's multiverse stuff, but DC already burned that card on TV.

I'd say they should go back and finish the Snyderverse but even I'm leaning towards that it's too far gone at this point.

CyberCubed

11-09-2026, 02:21 PM

I'd say it depends entirely how Man of Tomorrow does. If it's a huge hit, then they'll likely keep Superman/Lois/Luthor and ask Gunn to write a third movie. If it's not, then that might be the end.

But I don't think the sequel will do badly, but who knows. Anything else is likely canceled though, like Lanterns getting another season or the weird Brave and the Bold and Swamp Thing movies he was talking about.

IMJ

11-09-2026, 02:24 PM

It won't be a huge hit even if it's a great movie. A huge volume of tickets sales nowadays are about "where the party is at" and not about "interest in a movie" on it's own merits. Iron Man 3 sold tickets almost purely on 'where the party is at" and that movie was dog$#!(.

The next Superman movie could be really solid and better than the first, but DC on-film has pretty terrible sentiment around it. And now, this news with Gunn sets Superman's sequel up in the same sentiment as Flashpoint was... which was "the last flick of a defunct Universe".

In short, there's no party at DC on film and that's honestly what sells tickets nowadays. People don't really go to the theater anymore "to see a movie".

sdp

11-09-2026, 02:41 PM

I don't think they will reboot but clearly any plan is out the Window. Not like any plan was exactly established. It's hilarious how much this is echoing the dceu

Andrew NDB

11-09-2026, 02:44 PM

Gunn's send-off on threads describes himself as having ADHD and not being able to navigate through corporate structure

Of course there was a plan. Phase 1: "Gods & Monsters," then more phases. ;)

Seriously, though, if there is just a REAL change of direction and tone behind the scenes, Superman and Supergirl are relatively salvageable. Lanterns, though... maaan... they really ruined the whole Green Lantern IP in one fell swoop. They would literally need to just ignore Lanterns entirely and then give us REAL Green Lantern stuff, or make it some other dimension crap.

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2026, 03:43 PM

Man dc is damaged goods how hard is it to make a competent universe. The dcau cartoons did it perfectly in the 90s

TMNTFanatic4Life

11-09-2026, 07:35 PM

I think Andrew posted something about Grodd leading a musical dance or something in the upcoming Jimmy Olsen Series…..

Dancing Grodd…..yeah I would wanna clean house too after that lol

CyberCubed

11-09-2026, 09:34 PM

I don't know why Gunn thought people needed to watch a Jimmy Olsen TV spinoff to begin with. It really was odd the type of projects he greenlit instead of things he should of done. Why was he obsessed with giving C and D-tier characters spotlight?

Even in the Superman movie, it's odd that Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, Mr. Terrific and Metamorpho were even in it. Most people have no idea who these characters even are.

Andrew NDB

11-09-2026, 09:55 PM

I don't know why Gunn thought people needed to watch a Jimmy Olsen TV spinoff to begin with.

I can kiiind of guess where his head was at there. Darkseid first appeared in Jimmy Olsen's book, after all. I just wouldn't have any faith he'd do anything compelling there without adding in the "Gunn flavor." Probably with drugs and orgies again if left to his own devices.

Powder

11-09-2026, 10:11 PM

I haven't liked anything Gunn did outside of the first GOTG, personally, so I'm not broken up about it.

ZariusTwo

11-09-2026, 11:13 PM

They're now saying Gunn was working on a third Superman script but was told to make it a Justice League movie instead with that being what introduces Batman.

DC Comics itself seems to have been protected from Skydance's current slew of lay offs because of the success of the comics and the Absolute line. Jim Lee is said to be relieved and happy that someone has replaced Gunn as he felt he was being frozen out of publicity for the comics side.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2026, 12:45 AM

They're now saying Gunn was working on a third Superman script

But as he kept reminding us, Man of Tomorrow isn't even a 2nd Superman script. It's just a mini version of Justice League already, or like Avengers Age of Ultron level. Not 1 protagonist but many, a shifting focus all over the place. Which doesn't sound too dissimilar from what WB forced Snyder to do with BvS instead of letting him do his planned Man of Steel 2 movie.

It's also sounding like Skydance wanted this done by 12/1 so they can lock Gunn out of the editing room on the final cut of Man of Tomorrow. Possibly chopping out all his little cameos and such. So we may end up with a Whedon cut situation, sans a Whedon present.

ZariusTwo

11-10-2026, 04:42 AM

Reportedly aside from three projects in the pipeline (Man of Tomorrow, The Batman II, and an unknown HBO series) all the other Gunn projects that were speculated on or had verbal confirmation are being dropped.

Gunn is locked out of the final say of the Man of Tomorrow edit, which the studio isn't happy with.

I think they ought to edit to remove any and all post or mid-credit sequel hooks, and to treat the film like a concluding half of a dulology.

And going forward, cost efficient movies that are more standalone from the off, no attempt at connective tissue. DC need to set itself apart from Marvel and focus on the Elseworld mantra. DC being anthology might be much more easily consumable than Marvel and serialization.

Autbot_Benz

11-10-2026, 09:37 AM

At least we got some former MCU Christian dude running things who wants to make movies his grandma would wanna see :lol:

Barkworm

11-10-2026, 10:17 AM

I wish we could go back to the days where not everything was a planned "trilogy" (where the only thing that's "planned" is that there will be three parts that have to make big money, not anything writing-related) or has to be part of a "universe" that no one cares about. How many of these movie franchises were huge hits apart from the first Marvel movie phases?

sdp

11-10-2026, 10:44 AM

Doing individual films not as connected has basically been the strategy that DC has tried to do since Justice League failed, the rest of the DCEU was mostly disconnected. The DCU started with "we won't be as connected". Whatever DC tries it's going to fail, they literally haven't learned any lessons from the DCEU, they're doing the exact same thing, change the plan once something doesn't go as expected instead of sticking with one thing.

How many of these movie franchises were huge hits apart from the first Marvel movie phases?

I think the Monsterverse has been the only successful example besides Marvel.
DCEU failed despite having like 20 movies in its continuity lmao

Andrew NDB

11-10-2026, 10:59 AM

DCEU failed despite having like 20 movies in its continuity lmao

But the DCEU did have some HUGE hits, when it had hits. In fact, I believe only two or three lost any money (Birds of Prey, Shazam 2 and maybe Black Adam, right?), and then things like WW84 which came out in COVID.

CyberCubed

11-10-2026, 01:15 PM

This is technically the 5th DC movie universe, if you count the beginning Superman 1978.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2026, 01:17 PM

This is technically the 5th DC movie universe, if you count the beginning Superman 1978.

The Snyderverse was the first attempt to make a shared one, so no, I wouldn't.

oldmanwinters

11-10-2026, 01:36 PM

This is technically the 5th DC movie universe, if you count the beginning Superman 1978.

The Snyderverse was the first attempt to make a shared one, so no, I wouldn't.

Hold up, now... the Salkinds definitely had ambitions to widen their branding with the 1984 Supergirl movie. The late 1980s Superboy TV series was a reboot and a concession that television was a safer investment then cinema, I suppose.

Andrew NDB

11-10-2026, 01:51 PM

Just look at some of the "Greatest Hits" of the DCEU:

Man of Steel: 225 million budget, 667 million made worldwide

BvS: 263 million budget, 874 million made worldwide

Suicide Squad: 175 million budget, 749 million made worldwide

Wonder Woman: 150 million budget, 822 million made worldwide

Aquaman: 160 million budget, 1.1 billion made worldwide

Blue Beetle definitely lost money. The Flash lost at least some money. Shazam 2 lost money. WW84 lost money. The Suicide Squad lost money.

But now look at James Gunn's DCU by James Gunn:

Superman: 225 million budget, 618 million made worldwide

Supergirl: 170 million budget, 126 million made worlwide

Clayface: 40 million budget, 109 million worldwide

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Basically after VOD, whatever tiny amount Superman might have earned was lost by Supergirl's immense failure. And then Clayface is just breaking even.

Not good!

ZariusTwo

11-11-2026, 12:26 AM

Variety with the autopsy:

https://variety.com/2026/film/news/james-gunn-exits-dc-studios-losing-money-1236944392/

Gunn’s “Superman,” starring David Corenswet — the duo’s first big swing as bosses — was touted as a hit with $618 million against a $225 million budget. Those ticket sales were promising enough, given the general decline in popularity of comic book movies. But they didn’t necessarily signal the kind of lasting enthusiasm that spawns an interconnected universe. Momentum all but evaporated with July’s money-loser “Supergirl,” which flopped with $126 million globally against a $170 million budget. And while October’s “Clayface” performed modestly with $109 million against a $44 million budget, sources suggest the body-horror thriller won’t break even until the studio factors in downstream revenues

Television efforts, too, were uneven. DC’s main small-screen success was “The Penguin,” a “Batman” spinoff led by Colin Farrell, was greenlit before Gunn and Safran took over. But the rest of the slate has generated less fanfare. Gunn’s “Peacemaker” series, anchored by John Cena, debuted in 2022 before he stepped into the studio job. Although the initial season was popular, the second season – which launched three years later – failed to match the buzz of the first. “Lanterns,” their first live-action TV show, had strong viewership and averaged 19 million viewers globally per episode going into the finale. Yet an insider at the company suggests the crime drama isn’t quite capturing the zeitgeist, pointing out the show has yet to be renewed for a second season.

And on the successor...looks like he won't be a character and make the brand all about himself

Internally, there’s hope that Latcham — an executive who helped shape the MCU — will get back to basics with DC.

“Jeremy is the kind of guy who would go to Comic-Con to get an autograph from someone,” says another source, “not someone who wants to be there signing autographs.”