DW TMNT cancelled?

[cqb101]

Just saw this posted on the dreamwave message board.
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From Peter David's site (http://peterdavid.malibulist.com):

"I have been informed by the fine folks at Dreamwave that they are suspending publishing on the animated Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series, with issue #7 (the second half of a two-parter) being the last one to ship. Issue #8 was to have kicked off the four part "T4: The Turtlenator," which Dreamwave has been advertising. Instead that storyline, currently being written and drawn, is being halted halfway completed with an eye towards possibly relaunching in the summer.

As fun as the series has been to produce, writing the first four issues under the constraint that they had to be based on the first four animated episodes resulted in issues that were, I think, not representative of what the series could have been. Plus, of course, one runs the risk of seeming superfluous since you're just rehashing stories people can see animated and for free. Issue #5, starting the run of wholly original stories, was the first issue I was completely happy with, and it was very well received...but not by enough readers. Particularly when one considers that Dreamwave has to pay licensing fees and thus has to sell a lot more copies than a creator-owned title in order to turn a profit.

I suppose sales on issues 6 and 7 will help determine whether we'll be seeing another run at the Dreamwave TMNT during the summer.

PAD"

[Karpo_007]

Thast sad to hear. But it's true that mainstream publishers need to do a lot of profit from the books before they consider them worthwhile. It's tue that the licensing fees makes the task even harder.

[cqb101]

I really liked this comic...too bad....

[Lone Wolf]

That sucks, big time. Now I have to wait 7 months just to see if it MIGHT come back. Damn it why can't DW just ride it through, they've only let the guy do two original issues! Geeze I was just starting to get into the comic.

Who the hell decided the first four issues had to be based on the cartoon anyway? PD did a damn fine job with the material he had been given to work with, especially when you consider he was rewriting stories that have been told a billion times already.

Man what a downer...

[Taloniss]

How's it PAD's fault? Because he was told to write issues based on the series for the first four issues (likely so people who didn't watch the show could get an intro to the characters? From his post, I gather he didn't want to retell the stories anymore then anyone else. He did fantastic with what he had, and the new stories were great as well.

[Karpo_007]

If you wan't someone to blame, it would be the executives at Dreamwave.

[Bowser_Koopa]

wow!! this really sucks!!, i haven't read dw tmnt, but i bet archies were like million time worse! and it didn't get cancelled

[VaughnMichael]

If you wan't someone to blame, it would be the executives at Dreamwave.
I don't know about that.....my eyes either look at FOX or LAIRD...
but in either case this is really freakin sad!! I was so looking forward to the turtlbot series....guess this new show isn't as popular as I was thinking....
this is such a downer to my day man...I hope Lesean can shed some light on the subject...we really havn't seen him round much lately ....
Vaughn Michael

[Karpo_007]

Well then you are definety looking at thewrong direction. Neither Fox or Laird had anything to do with the dreamwave book. And New show is doing just fine, season 2 just begun and season 3 has already been confirmed.

[VaughnMichael]

Well then you are definety looking at thewrong direction. Neither Fox or Laird had anything to do with the dreamwave book. And New show is doing just fine, season 2 just begun and season 3 has already been confirmed.
hmmm I didn't mean why it was cancled I ment why they had to to do the first issues of the comic the same as the cartoon archie had to do the same crap......and I loved the archie series perhaps more then any tmnt universe..mirage second....
and I know the show is fine no need to get all defensive....I like he new cartoon and am excited with the direction it is going....
I'm not bashing just saying what I think....like laird said if he doesnt like something he's gonna pull the plug then rather have it become some lame excuse for tmnt....
Vaughn Michael

[PizzaPower]

No!!! I only had the 2nd issue but it still kicked shell!! Tthey need to bring it back!!

[Roseangelo]

This is really unfortunate. I thought the first five issues were great and really didn't think they were just retellings of the cartoon. I was looking forward to a future potentially as great and as long as the Archie series was.

[Donatello]

this sucks, granted i think # 5 was the best, i really thought it was interesting to see the other side of those stories from TV. it was quite original, i've never seen that before, on a regular basis.

[Karpo_007]

Well then you are definety looking at thewrong direction. Neither Fox or Laird had anything to do with the dreamwave book. And New show is doing just fine, season 2 just begun and season 3 has already been confirmed.
hmmm I didn't mean why it was cancled I ment why they had to to do the first issues of the comic the same as the cartoon archie had to do the same crap......and I loved the archie series perhaps more then any tmnt universe..mirage second....
and I know the show is fine no need to get all defensive....I like he new cartoon and am excited with the direction it is going....
I'm not bashing just saying what I think....like laird said if he doesnt like something he's gonna pull the plug then rather have it become some lame excuse for tmnt....
Vaughn Michael

Sorry, I tend to get deffensive, there is a lot of totally pointless Laird bashing going on lately. But I'm not sure if the decision of retelling those stories had anything to do with Mirage or 4Kids either. It could have been solely Dreamwave's decision to introduce TMNT to those who haven't watched the show.

[HorseTechie]

Mhh.... this news does suck much. I was personally thrilled to have Dreamwave take on the TMNT as well. While I will admit one had to have seen the FoxBox TMNT show to better understand the first 4 issues, it's a pity because of that they have decided to cancel the series. I also was under the impression they were selling well. I guess I was living under false impression or something.

But, you know, it seems that DW has had some history behind not being able to carry out a comic book series for very long. They are still new to the industry, and like Mirage, their success depends on the sales. Of course, the TF series is rolling along at a hearty pace (mostly cause there's like five times more TF fans than TMNT), but I have noticed how they would only run each 'series' for 6 or so issues. Seems that they are not planning too much ahead just in case for some reason they can't.

This is still sucky news though. :(

[Karpo_007]

Selleing well, and well enough for the executives are two diffrent things. Heck the first issue sold out completetly, and I think so did issue 2. Company like Dreamwave, Marvel, DC, Image etc. are naturally in it for the profit, and it seems TMNT wasn't succesfull enough. A pity really.

[cqb101]

I say we all write complaint letters to DW. I just wanna see their response.

[coryroo24]

I'd be in for that. I really enjoyed this DW series, but I do have a feeling it will be back. It all really depends on the longevity of the new show and toys.

[cqb101]

Well, I would write the letter, but it probably won't be very good. Somebody who has experience with stuff like this should do it.

[raphael_is_cool]

Yeah I was getting into the comic with LeSean's awesome art and looked forward to seeing the new stories too (the cartoon ones were redone with a great new angle too)

I agree with cqb101 about writing to them :x

[Lone Wolf]

The comic market today is BRUTAL. Dreamwave has been blowing series out of the water because its the market is ruthless nowadays. The new DW comic DID sell well, but to be frank the only way it was going to be profitable for DW would be if it was a HUGE, Transformers level hit. Issues one and two sold out, the problem was people didn't want to pay 3 dollars to read reruns of episodes they saw fully animated and for free.

There is obviously still potential here; I believe we have a better than 50-50 chance of seeing it relaunched.

Reasons to Be Optimistic

1. TMNT on Cartoon Network. This will provide a BIG surge for the series, and open up the doors for a relaunch.

2. It made above average (at least with the numbers I saw for the first 3 issues) sales, it just didn't keep the momentum. That shows that there is demand for a new TMNT comic, it just didn't delive in fans minds.

3. Season 3 confirmed.

4. Possible Hallmark movie. If that goes back into production, that will make a huge incentive to relaunch the series.

[Karpo_007]

For the writing to do any good, there should be a well organized writing campaign.

[cqb101]

The wrst part is that it's getting cut off right before the Turtlenator story arc.....That looked so kick ass! I wouldn't have been as dissapointed if we atleast got the turtlenator story arc before it got cancelled.

I want to see what LeSean has to say about this......

[Bowser_Koopa]

i am willing to write an actual letter (not email) so they see there tmnt fans all over the world, and if Karpo sends one too, it would be 2 of us

[coryroo24]

Yes hopefully LeSean can shed some more light on this issue

[cqb101]

i am willing to write an actual letter (not email) so they see there tmnt fans all over the world, and if Karpo sends one too, it would be 2 of us

That would be great......But I agree with what Karpo said, we should get like a group of fans to get together and write this letter......We need a campaign.

[Karpo_007]

Should someone organize a writing campaign, of course I would participate.

[cqb101]

I woner what they'll say if we can get LeSean to participate in the writing campaign? :o

[Bowser_Koopa]

"you're so fired"? :roll: ..... :oops: maybe not

[LeSean]

i've kept it on the low until its been official. but i guess Peter david aint waste no time. This is tru, TMNT has been canceled and for the reasons above.

its a pretty hard core blow, especially to the fans...
but this is just a reocurring event in a string of canceletions of dreamwave titles, to what reason, i've yet to know, but i can only hope for the best of those cats and that i can continue to work with them in some form or fashion in the future.

i've been told, like peter david, that the series will return hopefully next year. but that is indefinite. and although it may return, i doubt i will be apart of that. it's been suggested, that Pat Lee would be the possible candidtae for penciler should the series returns...

and for peter david's clarity, issue #8 is actually finished.


what they do with that remains to be seen.
in anycase, i had to keep it on the humble until its been confirmed. i was told yesterday , i had no idea when pAD was gonna be informed. i had a great run on the series with him, and i do agree with him and feel similar in terms of what my initial expectations of what TMNT run with my approach and what one of my teen hood favorite writers would conceive together.

it didnt turn out as i or PAD had expected

i had a fun on the run, and hopefully, i can get an opportunity to work with peter david again.

in terms of why it hasnt done well, theres a number of reasons i can guess
but my guesses are as good as yours in certain departments, and in others i cant quite speculate on at this moment.



thoughts?

[Kid Icarus]

Hm... this sucks. Thats really all there is to say. It sucks. And just as the story was starting to pick up.

On the bright side, I'll be able to pick up the new Mirage and Tales lines now... 3 comics a month was going to be a bit much, 'specially since I don't have a job.

[cqb101]

Well, there's another kick in the head....If it doeas return, LeSean won't be doing the penciling anymore! Grrrrrrr! Now, I'm really starting to hate DW.

[Bowser_Koopa]

Grrrrrrr! Now, I'm really starting to hate DW.

that sounds like me when i saw the Megaman cover

[PizzaPower]

:cry: :evil: Man I am so sick of people canceling the TMNT!! This has gone to far!!! Lesean please five me the address and the e-mail adress to DW. Please I bage of you!!! I will show them something about TMNT and what it can do.

[raphael_is_cool]

Wait...cancelling it AND perhaps not getting LeSean back in if it resumes..that needs some addressing :x

[cqb101]

LeSean not coming back would be ok if they got someone like Jae Lee to do the pencils......

[Dr. Doom]

Lotta talent at DW, so it wouldn't be all that bad.

[cqb101]

How come this news hasn't been posted on the front page yet? This news is big!

[kicknz]

Dreamwave, Dreamwave, Dreamwave. What the hell? Apparently, Dreamwave thinks they are Marvel or something. Here is a list of how the first five issues sold . . .

#1 32273
#2 22371
#3 21319
#4 19467
#5 19071

Those are actually orders placed through Diamond. I don't know if the Dreamwave TMNT series was sold on newstands/grocery stores/whatever, but it should have been. If so, the numbers are really a lot higher. Also, you'll note that the dropoff between issues 4 and 5 is negligible, which I believe indicates that the sales were about to level off and the series would have gone on in the 18,000-19,000 range.

It's nice to see Dreamwave exhibiting such a low level of commitment to their creators and readers. It is a shame about the first four issues and unless LeSean chimes in we won't know whose decision it was to make them all adaptations. I got the feeling that Peter David was about to swing off into uncharted territory and introduce us to a whole new universe, much like Chris Allan did with the Archie series.

Anyway, what Dreamwave is doing is really typical of the last few years: start a NEW series with a HOT, NEW artist, then ride that a little bit until it dies down. Next summer, I'm pretty sure they WILL re-launch their TMNT series, definitely starting over again with a NEW #1 and with a HOT, NEW artist. Yes, LeSean mentioned Pat Lee might be handling the art, and that's the other big hype convention; recruit big-name artist that hasn't done much over the last couple of years and announce him as the new regular artist on a series, then he does like three issues and a new guy comes in. Whichever rip-off hype scam Dreamwave is pulling doesn't matter, it stinks.

At least the series put LeSean in the spotlight and I know we all wish him the best of luck.

[kicknz]

Oops, I meant to say that those hype tactics are typical of comics, in general, over the last few years, not necessarily Dreamwave, specifically.

[coryroo24]

Thanks a lot LeSean for giving us your time to tell us how you feel about this. I hope that you return with TMNT next year. :-?

[Taloniss]

If LeSean ain't penciling it if it returns, I ain't buying it.

[jeff the cheff]

That really sucks, I have 1-4 and I really liked them. It was going to be the only comic that I would collect every issue. :(

[lhb412]

Crap
This sucks big-time, they could have at least done the turtlenator story and THEN canceled it! I was really excited about that, the poster in issue 5 was awesome!

Oh well, at least we can have faith in Mirage that they'll never stop doing TMNT stuff.

[Dane E5R]

Alright, I'm totally pissed. This comic had just become my all time favorite TMNT comic. In fact, I'd just picked up #6 last night. I stand with Taloniss when he says that if LeSean ain't involved, I ain't buyin' it.

[cqb101]

Alright, I'm totally pissed. This comic had just become my all time favorite TMNT comic. In fact, I'd just picked up #6 last night. I stand with Taloniss when he says that if LeSean ain't involved, I ain't buyin' it.

I kinda stand with you two......If LeSean or somebody else I really like *cough*JaeLee*cough* isn't involved, I probably won't buy it.

[HorseTechie]

But... as much as I like Jae Lee's style too, do you think he will have time too? He is busy with the GI Joe/TF comic.


*sai*

[cqb101]

But... as much as I like Jae Lee's style too, do you think he will have time too? He is busy with the GI Joe/TF comic.


*sai*

Ya, but if TMNT returns it won't be until the summer and TF/Joe is only a miniseries and it should be over by then.......of course with DW putting it out late, and crappy distribution who knows.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..this was the last news i wanted to hear..

..P.A.D. and LeSean.. broght a new visual and character dev. to the TMNT i'd never seen before.. ..the book is fun as hell.. and aside from the fact that it is TMNT.. it's well put together.. it flows.. it's understandable.. and sh6t.. it all clicks..

LeSean ..as a penciler alone is has become one of my absolute favorites..

.. this just blows.. and it's kind of a blow to the new TMNT ..
..maybe noone agrees with me .. but.. AAAHGGGH!! :x

..dammit ,LeSean.. i'm a groupie ,man..

.. all teh Lesean Groupies.. pile in the bus.. :D

p.s. :: .. i think 'Taloniss' has the right idea

[Lisardo]

Wow! Weren't they starting to spur off in their own direction tho, away from just doing the eps? Now I myself haven't been keeping up with all the recent issues, tho someone recently let me read their copy of #6 and let me tell you, that issue kicked butt! The new stories seemed to be doing well.....but maybe I'm wrong. I do hope they'll continue where they left off next summer then.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Damn, this sucks!!! :x :(

After issue 5, I was getting high hopes for this series. Oh well, I just hope Ghostbusters and He-Man don't end up the same way.

[J Legault]

I haven't got time to buy any of the current issues.

A comic book Store called 5-star comics that's been opened for 2 Months has them. Only I been saving money on DVDs and TMNT figures. Well kinda sorry to hear bad news about the dreamweave TMNT.

[Aztec General]

Wow this sucks.

I have to agree with Peter David though, I think the first 4 issues being retellings of the cartoon hurt the serious. If they would have jumped right into new stories I think it might have turned out a little different.

LeSean you did great work, and I as a fan really appreciate your communication with us. If you become attached to anything else please let us know here and we will gladly support you. Right guys?

If someone posts an e-mail address, then I'd say its time for a write-in campaign!!!!

[Dinogrrl]

Ah crap! Thanks for coming and talking to us about it LeSean, sad to know that you most likely won't be the penciler if it returns. Perhaps it's money saving to have the boss do it?

Anyway, sales are everything, as in all industries, and comics is one that copped a big kick in the head a while back and hasn't recovered. And when you're trying to run a business, being constantly in the red just to keep a series going is self defeating and will ultimately lead to the demise of your company.

I think they definitely made a mistake with tying the first four issues to the cartoon, as non-cartoon watchers such as myself found it disorienting. Perhaps if it had started as another entirely original series, things would be better.

In any case, do write letters people, but take heed - be civil. Letters full of abuse will only land in a bin, and will not help convince the company to pick up the series again. Keep a level head and some maturity.

If they start it up again, I'll buy it, no offense to LeSean either. Hope to see your fab art around the place in the future.

[Brinatello]

This is considered a sucky day for us TMNT fans. Very sucky. I got the email and snail mail address for those who want to voice their thoughts to the company.

email: [email protected]

snail mail:
Wavelengths
Dreamwave Productions
II Allstate Parkway Suite 200
Markham, Ontario
L3R9T8 Canada

[Lisardo]

True that you can't really understand the first 4 issues unless you've seen the eps. But the retelling of the first few eps in the first few issues is not unheard of. I think it's fine the way they started it out. That's how Archie started out with TMNT, and they were sucessful. Till they got their audience, then they started spurring off into a new direction with new stories. And DW seemed they were starting to do that, I'm surprized they cancelled right when the new stories started coming out.

[Ninjatron]

Well, I am unhappy. This is not the news that I wanted to hear on a day like this.

Really, this seed was planted when the first issue sold out and they said that there would not be a reprint. PAD even said so himself soon after the first issue was released. Who's going to buy a series if they can't find the first issue?

But really, what they needed to do all along was get the books into the hands of kids. Put less consentration of the self-serving "comic book market" and get on to the news stands, get into the toy stores, and make 'em cheep. Dreamwave has been talking about doing this for a long time, but it's easier said than done. Stores don't really want to sell a comic for 4-5 dollars. They don't make a whole lot of money on each sale. The key, then, is to sell the collected books, because stores can make more. But, the Trade has just come out recently so, I guess they didn't really give the book a chance.

I don't want to blame Dreamwave though. They're good people and they're fans just like all of us. Living so close to their offices, I had hoped to get a chance to work with them, but commitments with school along with pain in my drawing wrist have been derailing the path to that goal for far too long. I hope that this is not the last we see of TMNT with Dreamwave.

Sayonara.

[Buslady]

That sucks. I liked LeSean's artwork.
Like everything it's a business decision.
Gads I sound like my hubby when we get rid of an old bus I like.

[Cascadia]

this is quite a shame. it was nice to get a new TMNT comic every month but now the TMNT comics are only going to be bi-monthly. :( :cry:

[The Lone Turtle]

I can't believe they are doing this. I loved the new TMNT series. Very bad news indeed :cry:

[tOkKa]

-->> mmm ..why couldn't they go bi-monthly on the D.W. Book??


.. :-?

[Keno]

wow this news really sucks :(
i was raelly enjoying the story and the art and it was something i looked forward to every month

good luck with everyhting, Leesan, you rule

[FALLEN ELDOR]

Truth be told, I wasn't digging the comic, it wasn't telling the story I wanted as a reader, though I did enjoy the Casey issue. As a Casey fan it was nice to get into his head. I was really looking forward to the Turtlenator story, looked more like the classic MetalHead action figure then the stupid video game Turtle Bot (don't get me started on that :mad: ) I also really enjoyed the exaggerated animation styled art by LeSean. I hope they at some point get the Turtlenator story told!

If they want to boost comic sakes they should make mini comics and package them with the toys classic MOTU style! Adversities that 1-800-comic locator (or whatever it's called) and the comic, and I think kids would think twice about spending that extra money on a pack of yu-gi-hoe cards ;)

Damn, this sucks!!! :x :(

After issue 5, I was getting high hopes for this series. Oh well, I just hope Ghostbusters and He-Man don't end up the same way.

As the biggest Hordak fan in all creation, I can't wait until volume 3 hit's
is the Ghostbuster comic out? :cry: @ your screen name :dead: (sorry but i'm first and formost a he-fan)

[Karpo_007]

Let me guess, you didn't like it because it didn't have R&B, other random mutants and Krang?

[MrPliggins]

This is dissapointing news all right... the TMNT is going strong, so something bad had to happen, huh? Now I guess I will have to track down the issues i missed (#1, 4, and 5) in order to read "new" DW stories.
This had to happen right when Tales was about to come out too... three TMNT books out at once= too good to be true. This was a very distinct tmnt comic, unlike any other... rest in peace, DW TMNT.

[Bry]

That's rather upsetting, actually. The first four issues weren't much better than average, but the last couple (5 and 6) were actually quite good. PAD had some creative control and was able to get a strong feel for his own little TMNT world, and I rather enjoyed it.

At the same time, though, I realize how DreamWave's been floundering as a publisher lately. Mega Man, another franchise title they publish, was recently canceled after #4, in a similar manner. More stories were on the way, the the DreamWave execs decided to 'suspend' them 'for the time being'. (Although, Mega Man suffered from some terribly mediocre writing.)

Either way, having more and more of your few titles canceled is never a good thing for a publisher, whether it be due to low sales (though I thought TMNT was doing well?) or lack of organization. I rather like DreamWave, and I hope they get their stuff in order, because things at the moment aren't looking too hot.

[kicknz]

I'm surprised at the number of people in this thread that didn't even regularly buy the book that are expressing dismay at its being cancelled. I guess the readers didn't do their part, either.

[Bowser_Koopa]

if i could would buy tmnt, but we don't get tmnt here in LatinAmerica, you don't know how badly i want the "tales of the tmnt" #5

[PizzaPower]

Can't you just order it from the offical TMNT website Koopa?

[Bowser_Koopa]

i got no dollars,and i can't get any, there are some unsolved pollitical issues in this country and dollars can't be found anywhere, and i doubt they accept Bolivares, and how would i pay them? there is no pay pal in here, i know there is something called moneygramm, plus and i don't have a credit card, and if i had, my mom wouldn't let me use it on the ineternet, plus the shipping. I was thinking yesterday about running the risk of buying it but there is still the question: how.

[Peanut]

I'm not enjoying this news. While I haven't been digging the story all that much I thought LeSean's art was nothing short of amazing. I was hoping the series would take a positive swing with the Turtlenator story arc, but instead it fell apart all together. It's kind of a good news bad news for me thought. One less comic means I won't have to spend extra when Tales comes out next year. What with Sonic, 2 Spider-Man comics, the Mirage TMNT series, Venom, and random other comics I was scrounging for money by the time the last comic of the month came out.

[Lone Wolf]

DreamWave is obviously a very troubled company. Street Fighter hasn't ALSO been canceled has it? I sure hope they get their act together.

I am SERIOUSLY going to miss this comic. I almost don't want to say it, but it was becoming my favorite TMNT Universe. Gritty and serious like Mirage, but with the Pizza, lovable characterizations and humor of the first movie. This was the only reason I made the trek to my comic shop once a month; it's a serious blow.

As to all the guys saying " I won't buy it if LeSean isn't on it", come on. LeSean was great, but that isn't exactly the kind of support that will give this thing a fighting chance at coming back.

[Ninjatron]

Street Fighter isn't Dreamwave. It's UDON, published by Image for now, but soon UDON will be leaving Image and will publish Street Fighter with Devil's Due, who publish GI Joe, Micronauts, and Voltron, among others.

Dreamwave isn't a troubled company. Transformers is doing very well for them. It's the comic book industry, as a whole, that is troubled.

Sayonara.

[Lone Wolf]

Hehe thats funny; you're totally right. I have and have read every issue, I don't know how that got by me. I guess I figured Megaman=Capcom, Street Fighter=Capcom... man I need my head checked :).

And yeah I totally agree that the comic industry is troubled. But theres no doubt that DreamWave is a stranger in a strange land. Transformers is all they got... they have to be struggling. It is like they're dancing on a hot plate.

[tOkKa]

-->> Th' Comics industry has been troubled for years..

LeSean's work is something i'm real partial too..

..&
i dunno about you guys.. i don't feel i'm doing my part when i buy part when i but TMNT D.W. books.. i just know what i like.. :goofygri: ..

..wtf ..it doesn't matter..i'm just forum fodder here,so..

[PizzaPower]

well if DW just started with there own stoyr arc it could have lasted longer.

[xZAOx]

bleh!!!!

i hope it comes back, with lesean. pat lee nor that other guy can draw comics well in my opinion. yes - they are great artists. but i *hate* their comics. the tf/gi joe series is *so* confusing. and im not the only tf fan that thinks so. i always have to re-read parts of it to try and figure out whats going on, as do other fans. same for pat lee comics.

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

damn it, i so wanted to read T4:The turtlenator

[MTN889]

this sucks god ****ing dammit i want to read that ****ING comic so ****ING badly im waiting for that ****ING comic week after week... THey are getting a letter I WANT TMNT COMIX!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PizzaPower]

this sucks god f*** dammit i want to read that f*** comic so f*** badly im waiting for that f*** comic week after week... THey are getting a letter I WANT TMNT COMIX!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are you right dude. They should at least send it out even if it is the last one.

[HorseTechie]

the tf/gi joe series is *so* confusing. and im not the only tf fan that thinks so. i always have to re-read parts of it to try and figure out whats going on, as do other fans. same for pat lee comics.
To each is their own opinion. I prefer Dreamwave's GI Joe/TF crossover over Image's. Is it a sin to have a comic that makes you think. :wink:

[Savanti Romero]

I have never read the DW series before, as I don't know where to purchase them? Without even reading one, I know this must be a loss just based on your descriptions.

Where does everyone but the DW series at anyway?

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

Where does everyone but the DW series at anyway?

Hmm, you can get em in almost any comic shop Forexample. www.milehighcomics.com www.mycomicshop.com or even www.ebay.com and lots of other places

[Savanti Romero]

Not that I hate buing from the internet, (ok I don't hate it but close to) is there a physical place to buy them? Not an actual comic book store, seeing as there are none of those here, but a place like Hastings, Borders, or Barnes and Noble? I'm to lazy to go check myself.

[Peanut]

I haven't seen them anywhere except at comic book stores.

[cqb101]

Not that I hate buing from the internet, (ok I don't hate it but close to) is there a physical place to buy them? Not an actual comic book store, seeing as there are none of those here, but a place like Hastings, Borders, or Barnes and Noble? I'm to lazy to go check myself.

Nope, only comic shops.

[Raven]

oh man this F***en sucks!!!!! well all I cant say is that DW lost all my respect, the only cool people there are peter david and lesean.
damn you dw, tmnt was the only comic i bought from you!!!

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

let me just see if i have gotten this right. is issue # 8 from DW getting published sometime next summer or... is it just me :-?

[PizzaPower]

stuipd!! The DW TMNT series is cancled. So no ity is not.

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

Just saw this posted on the dreamwave message board.
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From Peter David's site (http://peterdavid.malibulist.com):

"I have been informed by the fine folks at Dreamwave that they are suspending publishing on the animated Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series, with issue #7 (the second half of a two-parter) being the last one to ship. Issue #8 was to have kicked off the four part "T4: The Turtlenator," which Dreamwave has been advertising. Instead that storyline, currently being written and drawn, is being halted halfway completed with an eye towards possibly relaunching in the summer.

As fun as the series has been to produce, writing the first four issues under the constraint that they had to be based on the first four animated episodes resulted in issues that were, I think, not representative of what the series could have been. Plus, of course, one runs the risk of seeming superfluous since you're just rehashing stories people can see animated and for free. Issue #5, starting the run of wholly original stories, was the first issue I was completely happy with, and it was very well received...but not by enough readers. Particularly when one considers that Dreamwave has to pay licensing fees and thus has to sell a lot more copies than a creator-owned title in order to turn a profit.

I suppose sales on issues 6 and 7 will help determine whether we'll be seeing another run at the Dreamwave TMNT during the summer.

PAD"

THEN WHAT IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN [check the writing with fat letters]

But hey thanks for calling me stupid. i liked that part, even though you can't spell

[raphael_is_cool]

Whoa calm down. I think past posts have spoken of similar things with issues 'possibly being released' in the summer and that not happening. I think that's what he meant..no need to call you 'stuipd' I agree...calm down people

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

yeah, thanks.

i was just trying to have a nice and calm conversation here. Maybe i'm not a man with the most wisdom, but hey, people are allowed to aske question in here, this is what this forum is about. asking question give each other news and have a good time. Maybe i was being a little too ironic before. SORRY :(

let's just pretend it never happened

[Kali]

stuipd!! The DW TMNT series is cancled. So no ity is not.
PizzaPower, I don't want to see you talk to anyone like this again. Next time you insult someone like this, it'll be a warning.

[OA]

Yea, no need to get testy here....i thought it was a good question to ask myself...but yea, it looks like it probably wont be published- ever...unless the cartoon can blow up some more and take over the airways like back in the day !!! But man, what a loss....at least Mirage is still doin strong (knocks on wood...)

[LeSean]

for clarity's sake, TMNT #8 is penciled.

its not colored and i doubt its done with inks completely.

it would have to be inked and colored and lettered before it goes to print.

not likely. :(

[Dinogrrl]

To each is their own opinion. I prefer Dreamwave's GI Joe/TF crossover over Image's. Is it a sin to have a comic that makes you think.

Just an OT aside though - are you loving the DW Jae Lee TF-GI Joe stuff as much as me? That WWII setting is bitchin' (Ironhide = tank, woo!), and the art is awesome. I can't remember if I picked up the poster of one of the covers that they did or not, but I really like this series. What's the other one like? I haven't been following it.

[OA]

for clarity's sake, TMNT #8 is penciled.

its not colored and i doubt its done with inks completely.

it would have to be inked and colored and lettered before it goes to print.

not likely. :(

Well there ya go...from the man himself... :D

And i'm sure you get this all the time but GREAT WORK!!!

[xZAOx]

the tf/gi joe series is *so* confusing. and im not the only tf fan that thinks so. i always have to re-read parts of it to try and figure out whats going on, as do other fans. same for pat lee comics.
To each is their own opinion. I prefer Dreamwave's GI Joe/TF crossover over Image's. Is it a sin to have a comic that makes you think. :wink:

hehe, thats not what i mean. i dont mind a comic that makes you think with an intriguing plot line. i just mean the panels dont flow well to me. like in issue #3, i had to study the page to find out who was blown up: ravage or snake eyes or the other guy. plus how it happened exactly was hard to see.

and i havent read the image gijoe/tf yet. i still need issues 1-3, i wonder how itll be.

[PizzaPower]

well we can all do the stike thing and refuse to leave the building the comics are at untill they re-do the comic.

[impetus]

LeSean -

if #8 never comes out, can I have a page of the artwork? :D

[HorseTechie]

Just an OT aside though - are you loving the DW Jae Lee TF-GI Joe stuff as much as me? That WWII setting is bitchin' (Ironhide = tank, woo!), and the art is awesome. I can't remember if I picked up the poster of one of the covers that they did or not, but I really like this series. What's the other one like? I haven't been following it.
The Image one is okay story-wise, I guess. But I think the artwork for it is too 'superhero generic'. The TF's are sometimes hard to identify, if not have these funky looking fleshy faces with tiny optics. And over-exaggerated action-line curves! Arr... but that's just my opinion... :wink:


hehe, thats not what i mean. i dont mind a comic that makes you think with an intriguing plot line. i just mean the panels dont flow well to me. like in issue #3, i had to study the page to find out who was blown up: ravage or snake eyes or the other guy. plus how it happened exactly was hard to see.

Ahh.. better clarification. I will agree that #3 was confusing too. Like how the Aerialbot came out of no where, then dissapears just as fast. But the first two issues had made sense to me. I'm not gonna gripe about it if #4 is put together better.

But... as we were, with DW canceling the TMNT... :goofygri:

[cqb101]

LeSean -

if #8 never comes out, can I have a page of the artwork? :D

Hahahahhahahahahaha. That's exactly what I was thinking.

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

LeSean -

if #8 never comes out, can I have a page of the artwork? :D

Yeah me too hehe, or maybe you'll put em on an auction for a very high price or something. the pencilling would be worth a lot. well that's just what i think

[Bowser_Koopa]

are you nuts??? how can you sell that?!!!


you must wait at least 5 yeats for it to be worth twice of what it is now :evilgrin:

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

HEHE you again, i figured you would come here and spoil it all, HOW DARE YOU. hihi. well, what do you think of this NAME for the shop hehe: TMNT, how do you do, you stick like a bee. hihi

Well i'm of to bed now

See Y'all tomorrow and you Too BOY :evil: hehe

[PizzaPower]

ya me to Lesean!!! Will you please? I only have issue 2 of the serius.

[impetus]

gak! back off you bandwagon freaks! :x

Sorry LeSean, forget I asked. :wink: Didn't mean to get the kiddies all riled up and start a chorus of beggars.

[Straight-Edge]

>>What's the [Image GIJoe/TF] like? I haven't been following it.>>

Josh went ahead and decided that teaming up Joes and Cybertonians wasn't a daunting enough task. He tried to rewrite the origins of major characters like Snake-Eyes, bring back dead guys like Quick Kick, *and* rehash the plot of Dreamwave's G1 miniseries (Transformers enslaved by Cobra instead of that arms dealer guy).

The result is that, within what seems like days or weeks of GIJoe's creation, they've taken on aliens from another world, a terrorist group with powerful robotic technology, *and* befriended a couple of "good guys" who willingly freed the Decepticons from enslavement! Its a terrible jumble of half-plots that has only served to get to the "big brawl" that spent 3 issues getting built up just for a quick two-issue conclusion.

Like the regular Joe series, it's far too cluttered, and reeks way too much of "I'm a fan, and this seems COOOOOOL to me", whereas the Dreamwave book tries pretty damn hard to remove itself from expalnation and previously endlessly-debated fan-made "What-ifs" and just tells this moody, fantastical tale that no one questions is an elseworld series.

Josh has the Image crossover so closely related to the regular line that people have been wondering if he intends to reboot the Joe continuity using this as a stepping stone. That's when you know you've built up too much backstory/exposition for an alternate universe miniseries.

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

gak! back off you bandwagon freaks! :x

Sorry LeSean, forget I asked. :wink: Didn't mean to get the kiddies all riled up and start a chorus of beggars.

Sorry

[PizzaPower]

sorry leseaon. I wpould love to know how you came to the thetechnodrome thpough.

[Bowser_Koopa]

check it here

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6461&start=0&postdays=0&postorder= asc&highlight=

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

YOU again.... YOU.... :evil:

Maybe we could gather/collect a lot of signatures. but it would probably seem Lame when it's digital. I don't even know if it would work if it wasn't digital. But hey, it was just an Idea.

[edit by mike: try not to double post.]

[Karpo_007]

Like I said before, only thing that could work would be a well organized snail mail campaing, but if 20 0000+ sales are not enough for DW, I think it's a lost cause.

But I've really grown to love LeSean's art on the books, I'm hoping he could pencil an issue of the Tales book in the future... I'd love to see how he draws Mirage TMNT.

[milweskee]

I was thinking about this cancellation just recently, and I realized that DW is cancelling at the wrong time. Will it relaunch? Quite possibly if the TMNT are successful on Cartoon Network. Should it? Well, it would be cool, but running the first 4 issues in accordance with the cartoon really must have hurt the series. Not only can you just watch the cartoon, but that story was done already. I'd rather see something really new and out of sync with the Mirage volumes. Restart a whole new story based on the TMNT characters. Then, you can introduce new characters. You can even go as far as making adult themed stories that older fans crave. Sort of like starting a different TMNT universe, completely unrelated to Eastman and Laird's TMNT universe. An original TMNT series that is parallel to Mirage would open up new possibilities, such as a different series of TMNT figures from a different company, a different show, completely different look and color concepts. The possibilities are endless. The money would be there too, because the younger fans would have the cartoon and Playmates toys, and the older fans would have something that could relate to their age group. So that would take the competition away from having two TMNT worlds. Think about it.

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

Has anybody got sale numbers for Dw #6 or maybe #7 ???

[FALLEN ELDOR]

Let me guess, you didn't like it because it didn't have R&B, other random mutants and Krang?

It took way to long get anywhere! The first 2 issues should have retold the story through Leo's (issue one) and then April's perceptive up to the end of Attack of the Mousers without all that dream sequence, pointless Eastman cop and Baxter taking us so much space. I didn't really like the comic until issue 4 and on. the upcoming Turtlenator story is EXACTLY what I want to see, updates of classic characters like the old Metal Head. It sucks that we won't be seeing that :(

for clarity's sake, TMNT #8 is penciled.

its not colored and i doubt its done with inks completely.

it would have to be inked and colored and lettered before it goes to print.

not likely. :(

what is the likelihood that it could be finished and printed at a later time? Perhaps even by mirage

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

Dudes & dudettes, I'm sorry to dissapoint ya, But I think it's official now. There are no previews for DW #8 & 9 anymore :( :cry:

[LeSean]

http://dreamwaveprod.ca/!newsite/pages/Coming_Soon/january2004.htm

as seen in the link, it appears that DW still slates issue #8 of TMNT to see print (usually the last week of the month) this month.

wether thats just a typo (because they are pretty slow when it comes to updating their website often) is unsure. Also, the fact that dreamwave hasnt officially announced that TMNT has been canceled (it baffles me too) on their website yet also clouds things.

i will keep you posted if i hear anything from DW for those still looking for issue #8

[Michaelangelo|DAH]

Great,

Thanks for the Heads up LeSean
for clarity's sake, TMNT #8 is penciled.

its not colored and i doubt its done with inks completely.

it would have to be inked and colored and lettered before it goes to print.

not likely. :(


Do you know if it has been colored and inked yet???

[Kid Icarus]

It pry is, if they're going to ship it at the end of the month. At least, I would hope it's done and it's being printed right now.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..f8ck.. i'm late to this.. but i'm gonna keep my spikes crossed, LeSean.. :(

..kinda weird.. again #9 was listed in Previews for December.. but..this months catolouge.. there is no TMNT listings at all..

..except the TMNT Wall clock and the Mikey statue..