is tmnt over

[CyberCubed]

guys i think tmnt is over

https://www.consolecreatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/snakesalute.jpg

snake says that it's over.

goodbye tmnt

[Cowabung-Gal]

IDW TMNT? Probably.

TMNT in general? Not by a long shot. It’s like that one cockroach you can’t kill no matter what you do to it. It’s here to stay.

[neatoman]

Uh, yeah. IDW the company is going under and while they will likely hold on to the license for a few more years, it's doubtful they will be able to indefinitely. As for the Paramount/Nickelodeon side of things, not entirely sure? Depends on how well Mutant Mayhem does, since it seems to be what they are hedging their bets on here. Even if it fails, then you could still expect them to keep trying to revitalise the franchise.

[CyberCubed]

If mayhem doesn't do well in the box office (and I honestly doubt it will), it will be the third movie box office bomb Paramount had after the 2014 and 2016 movies. Rise of the TMNT was also canceled early (Season 2's episode order was cut in half, and they were planning a Season 3), due to the show not being received well. Had Netflix not paid for that Rise movie it probably would not have finished production either.

IDW's TMNT run will probably end by 2024-2025 at the latest, and after that TMNT will be over. I also think the Nick 2012 cartoon was the last overall successful venture Viacom had with the franchise and the show has been over for 5 years now.

[Monty Mole]

I really hope so

[Zachatello00]

I don’t imagine Nickelodeon will stop trying. I suspect MM will do better than Rise, but I also think there’s a reason the more traditional TMNT iterations have been more successful. I imagine they’ll keep rebooting it into obscurity like every other super hero/action franchise.

If, however, I’m wrong, and it is, as you propose “over”, it still lives on for me. I don’t care about most of what NICK has done with the brand, though. So, it can live or die, and I’ll still be happy to watch the original movies and read the original comics.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It is up to the 2020's will determ that. We will probably know more in time for the 50th anniversary in May 2034.

[The Deadman]

I really hope so

I dont

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[neatoman]

I dont

10 characters

Could you explain your position? Preferably in ten characters or more.

[HotJuicyBurgers]

IDW Tmnt might end soon but it’ll get rebooted again.

The real question is if Peter will ever make good on his rights to publish a comic. That’d be cool.

[Galactus]

I don’t imagine Nickelodeon will stop trying. I suspect MM will do better than Rise, but I also think there’s a reason the more traditional TMNT iterations have been more successful. I imagine they’ll keep rebooting it into obscurity like every other super hero/action franchise.

I'm not so sure I fully agree with that. Out Of The Shadows was essentially the 80s animated series in live action. Aside from a few things it was reasonably accurate to the show and it was the first TMNT movie to lose money.

Mutant Mayhem looks like another Fred Wolf inspired take right down to the coloured pads and initialised belt buckles. Some changes here and there but it looks like a reasonable modernised take on the show and while I don't think it's going to flop I doubt it will set the box office alight.

The only definitive success that TMNT has had recently is The Last Ronin. You could make a case for that being a 'traditional' take in the idea that it harkens back to the darker original comics but it's set up of only having one turtle and set in a dystopian future is certainly different to what a lot of people would expect from TMNT.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I really hope so

Do you want the Turtles to rest in peace instead?

[Monty Mole]

Do you want the Turtles to rest in peace instead?

With the direction the Turtles have taken over the years since the sale, yes.

[CyberCubed]

tmnt is over, boys, pack it up

[MrPliggins]

I thought TMNT was over multiple times. The original cartoon’s season 1,2, and 3 finales. The slow point between 1998 and 2002. At this point I think it’s safe to say they are here to stay. Maybe not always with new content, but with some kind of presence. They are an established pop culture entity at this point.

[IMJ]

No, not at all. TMNT has the virtue of being a relatively timeless franchise that lends itself to various artist interpretations (for better or worse) and across time. You could just as easily do Fred Wolf TMNT as you could "TMNT 2099" in some kind of Blade Runner style city if you really wanted to.

We are just in a phase of TMNT that doesn't work, reflecting the sensibility of a generation of creators and once we get beyond that it can be reinvented again.

[Andrew NDB]

No, not at all. TMNT has the virtue of being a relatively timeless franchise that lends itself to various artist interpretations (for better or worse) and across time. You could just as easily do Fred Wolf TMNT as you could "TMNT 2099" in some kind of Blade Runner style city if you really wanted to.

We are just in a phase of TMNT that doesn't work, reflecting the sensibility of a generation of creators and once we get beyond that it can be reinvented again.

Do you want the Turtles to rest in peace instead?

If we can't get to a phase of TMNT that does work then yes, MORE than OK with TMNT resting in peace indefinitely. Why would I want TMNT Product™ out there that is horrible? Just to have TMNT Product™ out there at all? Is that supposed to give me some kind of comfort, knowing that there are new kiddies consuming said TMNT Product™? Weird. It does the opposite, if it doesn't work. It just means in 10 years those kiddies will grow up with a false expectation of what TMNT is or should be because they grew up watching crap TMNT, if anything (and then yell at me on social media).

[IMJ]

If we can't get to a phase of TMNT that does work then yes, MORE than OK with TMNT resting in peace indefinitely. Why would I want TMNT Product™ out there that is horrible? Just to have TMNT Product™ out there at all? Is that supposed to give me some kind of comfort, knowing that there are new kiddies consuming said TMNT Product™? Weird. It does the opposite, if it doesn't work. It just means in 10 years those kiddies will grow up with a false expectation of what TMNT is or should be because they grew up watching crap TMNT, if anything (and then yell at me on social media).

I do agree with this too. I do believe that TMNT is such a fundamental premise that it's an evergreen franchise, but yeah - if the property simply went away at this point I wouldn't care.

TMNT '12 was entertaining enough that it drew people back in. Most people didn't mind spending my time with it. Rise did not draw people in and it failed. It's just the way it works.

[Monty Mole]

If we can't get to a phase of TMNT that does work then yes, MORE than OK with TMNT resting in peace indefinitely. Why would I want TMNT Product™ out there that is horrible? Just to have TMNT Product™ out there at all? Is that supposed to give me some kind of comfort, knowing that there are new kiddies consuming said TMNT Product™? Weird. It does the opposite, if it doesn't work. It just means in 10 years those kiddies will grow up with a false expectation of what TMNT is or should be because they grew up watching crap TMNT, if anything (and then yell at me on social media).

Exactly!! People are like "just be grateful we're getting TMNT stuff at all."

Like getting a turd sandwich and people saying "just be grateful you got something".

It's so annoying.

[Drose18]

voting yes until viacom notices tmnt 2003


edit: still hope new movie is good and idw keeps going would be sad if either of these things didnt happen

[IMJ]

Exactly!! People are like "just be grateful we're getting TMNT stuff at all."

Like getting a turd sandwich and people saying "just be grateful you got something".

It's so annoying.

That's every modern company's greatest compliance-gaining manipulation with the weaker fandoms. I vaguely remember even the guys from NECA pulling the "just be thankful that these toys are being made at all!" once.... :roll:

[Xav]

The only definitive success that TMNT has had recently is The Last Ronin.What about the videogames? Both Shredder's Revenge and Cowabunga Collection have sold over a million copies.

[Shark_Blade]

Shredder’s Revenge & Rise movie came out last year; Mutant Mayhem is coming this year, how can it be over?

[Anarchistguy]

What about the videogames? Both Shredder's Revenge and Cowabunga Collection have sold over a million copies.

Because they were both based on the 1987 version.

[TigerClaw]

TMNT ain't over, Because we have this new TMNT game from Apple Arcade, And if I remember, Paramount+ will be producing TMNT movies around the villains.

[shredder orokusaki]

No i will nevers top fighting and killing the turltes and the Splinter! Iwill fight them forever!! The movie is the best movie of the year and the next series will start after that!

[Antoniocafe]

Kids today don't seem very interested in TMNT. The Michael Bay movies really dragged the franchise down. It could definitely still be revived though. Maybe the Mutant Mayhem movie will be a good starting point.

[Anarchistguy]

I do think that the franchise needs a break, take time to breathe. I think kids are getting burnt out on TMNT.

[shredder orokusaki]

Iam very popular and evryone loves me! I will never stop hunting the turtles and Splinter! Only the 2018 series was failure because it was les serious than the 1987 series. The 2016 movie failed becaus i didnt fough the turtles. The 2014 mvoie was very succesful as i fought and brutally beat the turtles it was the best movie of the year.

[Coola Yagami]

Iam very popular and evryone loves me! I will never stop hunting the turtles and Splinter! Only the 2018 series was failure because it was les serious than the 1987 series. The 2016 movie failed becaus i didnt fough the turtles. The 2014 mvoie was very succesful as i fought and brutally beat the turtles it was the best movie of the year.

Yeah but then April of all people kicked you in the face and sent you plummeting to your defeat. Dude, you got your ass whupped by Megan Fox.

[shredder orokusaki]

Yeah but then April of all people kicked you in the face and sent you plummeting to your defeat. Dude, you got your ass whupped by Megan Fox.

I have defeated April many times. She did nothing. I THEN hit her very brutally and took my revenge.

[Prowler]

I don't know. Haven't been following the property in years now. And I'd be alright if it being over at this point. None of the Viacom era stuff has appealed to me.

[CyberCubed]

is tmnt as we know it over

[Zachatello00]

I’d guess not, what with Nick securing the OT rights, and announcing a sequel to a movie that hasn’t even hit yet, to say nothing of the two season series to follow said movie, I’d say the franchise will see bright days ahead.

Even without the movie stuff/new series, Nick airing the OT will keep it burning for awhile longer.

[Galactus]

I’d guess not, what with Nick securing the OT rights, and announcing a sequel to a movie that hasn’t even hit yet, to say nothing of the two season series to follow said movie, I’d say the franchise will see bright days ahead.

Even without the movie stuff/new series, Nick airing the OT will keep it burning for awhile longer.

Assuming those plans work out that just means the franchise continuing to exist but if it's not a good product then I'm not sure it's really "bright days" we have ahead.

[Jeff]

If we can't get to a phase of TMNT that does work then yes, MORE than OK with TMNT resting in peace indefinitely. Why would I want TMNT Product™ out there that is horrible? Just to have TMNT Product™ out there at all? Is that supposed to give me some kind of comfort, knowing that there are new kiddies consuming said TMNT Product™? Weird. It does the opposite, if it doesn't work. It just means in 10 years those kiddies will grow up with a false expectation of what TMNT is or should be because they grew up watching crap TMNT, if anything (and then yell at me on social media).

to be fair, i grew up watching the 87 series, which is (in my opinion) the worst Turtles out there. While I appreciate what id did for the franchise, its not my expectation that TMNT should be a campy Saturday morning cartoon even though that (and the movies) were my entire exposure of the turtles for 15 years.

[ZariusTwo]

franchise, its not my expectation that TMNT should be a campy Saturday morning cartoon

...That describes every TMNT animated series ever. Even the 23k show.

Varying degrees of drama yes, but it's all still rather silly.

(update: he says this, but shills for Mutant Mayhem, which is probably even sillier than the old show ever was, so he's full of crap)

[Drose18]

"Cowabunga! ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ Franchise Reignited With $1 Billion-Plus Global Retail Sales For 2023"
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles brand is heading toward $1 billion+ in global retail sales.
By the way, that’s for 2023 YTD alone, all built by Paramount."
(https://deadline.com/2023/08/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-retail-sales-1235519233/?fbclid=PAAabvAptVryIqgx8EbWnmOkQcfMYlhSvWsBA9T3Yi rf-4Z5vqLkS67EMiLZ4_aem_AUt2xo84mZyrwKL6tCR2HBUNcgyES CVprhEnOA-Cdw1_fajAVfob5L1KPLyCqqDGU4k)

woweee

[Shark_Blade]

It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, the thread's title is accurate

It's 'over' in a completely different sense of the word, 'over' with the audience like how LA Knight is 'over' in wrestling.

[IMJ]

"Cowabunga! ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ Franchise Reignited With $1 Billion-Plus Global Retail Sales For 2023"
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles brand is heading toward $1 billion+ in global retail sales.
By the way, that’s for 2023 YTD alone, all built by Paramount."
(https://deadline.com/2023/08/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-retail-sales-1235519233/?fbclid=PAAabvAptVryIqgx8EbWnmOkQcfMYlhSvWsBA9T3Yi rf-4Z5vqLkS67EMiLZ4_aem_AUt2xo84mZyrwKL6tCR2HBUNcgyES CVprhEnOA-Cdw1_fajAVfob5L1KPLyCqqDGU4k)

woweee

The real killer is that the did this with toys priced at $9.99 and not $54.95.

[Wednesday's Serial]

What are you people on about?

- No signs of the comics stopping
- New movie just came out
- DLC coming for a widely loved TMNT game
- Another new video game coming
- New TV series coming
- New Toys all the time
- All the merch associated with all of that

TMNT hasn't been this big since the 90's. We may not be reaching those heights, but still plenty of it.

[IMJ]

What are you people on about?

- No signs of the comics stopping
- New movie just came out
- DLC coming for a widely loved TMNT game
- Another new video game coming
- New TV series coming
- New Toys all the time
- All the merch associated with all of that

TMNT hasn't been this big since the 90's. We may not be reaching those heights, but still plenty of it.

87.5% of the respondents voted "no", TMNT is not "over". :tread:

[Drose18]

87.5% of the respondents voted "no", TMNT is not "over". :tread:

It should be even more, apparently I voted yes but I couldn’t tell you when or why I even did that.

[Vegita-San]

What are you people on about?

- No signs of the comics stopping
- New movie just came out
- DLC coming for a widely loved TMNT game
- Another new video game coming
- New TV series coming
- New Toys all the time
- All the merch associated with all of that

TMNT hasn't been this big since the 90's. We may not be reaching those heights, but still plenty of it.

hhm, me thinks me senses a
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I'll be shocked if that tv series happens at all with the strike and isn't quietly cancelled. the only reason people are talking about the movie toys is because of the white april figure. bay merch and rise merch didn't sell, I doubt this will either.

IDW is a dead company walking. tmnt and sonic are the only things keeping them going and not by much.

[IMJ]

Toys have already made a billion this year. Show is currently being made and job postings are up for it; animation is part of a different guild and all the acting work for the first season is complete. Say what you will about the movie but it's successful.

Nooooooo.
The licensing deals are successful.

[Vegita-San]

bingo imj.

The movie is a flop. lost money.

The TV serires, and SECOND movie, IF they happen...are only happening due to pre made arrangments. and the movie is most likely heading direct too streaming.

[CyberCubed]

The movie hasn't done too badly at all. The show and a sequel is likely going to happen regardless, this is our next version of TMNT for at least the next few years.

[Vegita-San]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3ndWczWAAArFiS?format=jpg&name=large

some success :). a week or two out and already on clearance.

[oldmanwinters]

TMNT merchandising sales right now:
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[Spike Spiegel]

TMNT merchandising sales right now:
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I prefer this one

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[IMJ]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: WTF :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Vegita-San]

food for thought. not a right wing rag.
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[Jeff]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3ndWczWAAArFiS?format=jpg&name=large

some success :). a week or two out and already on clearance.

The retailer could have over bought for that specific location.

[oldmanwinters]

Yeah, I haven't been into too many Targets lately, but I'm shocked at how hard the local Wal-marts went for the Mutant Mayhem loot.

Still wanna try those TMNT snack cakes though!

[IMJ]

Furthermore - the big money in sales is being attributed to this movie incorrectly - and even I did it to some extent because of recency bias, but lest not forget that TMNT has toys and merch licensed out everywhere right now - NECA has at least 4 TMNT toy lines, BST AXN has a line and so on.

[ZariusTwo]

how Snow White is terrible

Snow White's PR right now is objectively disastrous, forget the dwarf controversy, look at what the lead actress has been saying.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I mean it's pretty weird now. It's not even like the Little Mermaid blowback. All of the people that in theory should be supporting this thing are suddenly very quiet. Like they agree this is maybe way too many steps forward into weirdness. Probably people who enjoyed Snow White as a kid.

[Zulithe]

By the way that sign is from a Canadian ToysRUs I believe, aka a practically dead chain in a country where the turtles are less popular. And even then it's probably only that one store that can't move it, because all the stores I've seen are selling out.

People should spend some time watching some Canada TRU walkthroughs from toy hunters and the like. They have a lot of promos and sales like this, more than you would expect at a store in the USA. They do things differently there, might be do to the overall higher on average mrsp on items.

They definitely have their own way of doing things. Example, a case assortment of figures, you would expect them to all be priced the same right? That is how it works at almost every store in the USA. Not so there, you might see some figures higher than others, even when they come out of the same case. Usually only specialty shops pull that kind of thing.

[Wolfie65]

I think TMNT won't be over until the people who grew up with the 2012 Nickelodeon cartoon die off, they would now be in their 20s, so it'll be a while.

[Wednesday's Serial]

Well, they can feel free to die first. I WANT TO LIVE.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, they can feel free to die first.

Do you see what I mean, guys? Shesus.

[MikeyLover_14123]

I think TMNT won't be over until the people who grew up with the 2012 Nickelodeon cartoon die off, they would now be in their 20s, so it'll be a while.

I feel like it could go either way, I didn't grow up watching TMNT but yet I still found out about it when I got older :).

[Turtle Soup]

Jesus ****ing Christ this forum is awful. A giant circle jerk.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I think the IDW main book may end soon, but Saturday morning adventures and last ronin tie-ins might have a few years of life life left in them , though.

[ZariusTwo]

Jesus ****ing Christ this forum is awful. A giant circle jerk.

See you next week.

[KROW]

This franchise won't be over until all interest is gone and the grosses go down. I've seen it return so many times, it's like a Farewell Tour by KISS or The Rolling Stones -- yeah, right, guys; see you in a few years.

A lot of people thought it was over after Next Mutation tanked, then 4Kids arrived. People thought it was over after the '07 film, then Nickelodeon came calling. People thought it was over once that show ended. Here comes Rise and a new movie. And in the midst of it all were comics, games, and toys, filling out the niche markets, whether they were tie-ins or not.

Yeah, there were stagnant periods, but I don't see it straight-up dying. This turtle thing has left an impression on too many generations.

Jesus ****ing Christ this forum is awful. A giant circle jerk.

Sounds like you got some pent up frustration, there. I know where you can buy some J-O crystals.