Writers’ Strike

[Cowabung-Gal]

So a bunch of Hollywood TV and film writers are going on strike and because of that projects are being put on hold. Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and Seth Meyers’ late-night shows are also shutting down.

…excellent.

Maybe now real writers will take their place and make movies good again.

And the writers who are going on strike obviously don’t understand basic economics. Our economy is a complete mess and studios like Disney are having to lay off employees in the thousands. Still they demand more money. I thought many of them were Marxists who cared more about the message than making money anyway?

[IMJ]

Isn't it amazing how you can do that in a capitalistic free market? See - in this style of society you can live in capitalism and deploy certain socialistic strategies as needed, but in socialism you can't deploy anything but drones.

[ZariusTwo]

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First time in 15 years, remember the commotion in 2007? People always go on about how the talk shows got better with the strike (Conan especially) and how it ruined shows like Heroes at the time.

Generation Z are obsessed with themselves and content creations on Tiktok and Youtube too so they won't be fussed about this, if they don't get the content, they make it. Same with millennials and fanfilms/webcomics

[IndigoErth]

To a point I can understand. Maybe they can pay the celebrities a million less out of the multi-millions THEY get for some reason and pay the writers, who give them the material to become famous on, a little better.

On the other hand, if you're making above your local cost of living... really, calm down, there are so many people struggling who don't because their jobs are deemed even less worthy of a reasonably okay income than yours. Should the guy who wrote the jokes for a late night show really earn more than a teacher trying to help produce decent future adult citizens that might actually contribute more someday? They're even wading through all that Gen Z BS now in their classrooms every day and aren't even getting any added hazard pay for it.



Maybe now real writers will take their place and make movies good again.
Maybe if guild-free independent film makers, writers, etc take opportunity to grab some attention while the rest are on hiatus...if timing works out for them.

Questionable if anyone who is a part of that guild would even be allowed to work if they didn't agree and didn't care to protest. edit: Yup, they can't. (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-05-02/wga-members-work-writers-strike) So even any "good" writers you might approve of who are a part of the guild are stuck having to comply. Good time for independent non-union writers to take advantage, but not everyone will work with non-union people...

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe if guild-free independent film makers, writers, etc take opportunity to grab some attention while the rest are on hiatus...if timing works out for them.

Though it's not like this changes anything for non-guild filmmakers. They were still doing their thing before the strike and will continue doing their thing during it. It's not like their output level is suddenly going to go up.

And this doesn't really affect things the way you might think. A studio can still, for example, pull a script out of the drawer that somebody pitched 2 years ago, and put that movie into production tomorrow. Also, there's nothing stopping a director from "rewriting" the script on the fly, as they're shooting. There is nothing that guarantees a screenwriter's script has to be adhered to, 100%, word for word, because that's ridiculous.

[IndigoErth]

True, maybe one of those PD live action reboot scripts could get some attention, assuming they were actually written and only got shelved. :trazz:

Though it's not like this changes anything for non-guild filmmakers. They were still doing their thing before the strike and will continue doing their thing during it. It's not like their output level is suddenly going to go up.
No, though if it went on a while I meant more in the sense that it might give independents a little more of a shot with audiences if the block buster stuff was not dominating quite as much, IF it were to cause a little bit of a lull down the line. Unless, as you say, they just grab an old script they'd tossed aside for a while. 'Course, they could settle the matter by next week and then it doesn't matter a bit.

[Wildcat]

I just hope this doesn’t delay GB4 or the Knuckles tv show.

Knuckles will probably get delayed. It seemed to barely start. GB could because some rewrites and revisions often happen during production. That happens with everything.

[ZariusTwo]

American Horror Story production disrupted

https://twitter.com/kaitlinfontana/status/1653913143691857922?cxt=HHwWhMDSsbnP8PMtAAAA

[Andrew NDB]

I just hope this doesn’t delay GB4 or the Knuckles tv show.

GB4 is literally filming. It's fine.

[Wildcat]

GB4 is literally filming. It's fine.But scene rewrites and line rewrites do happen during productions of everything. They happen for whatever reason. If they can’t make changes for the better of the movie I wouldn’t want them to be forced into keeping things as is.

It made wonder what exactly would be allowed. Is changing a few words considered writing. What if it’s something minor like changing the order of stuff?
Do you get into trouble for continuing to write or do you just look bad?

[Andrew NDB]

But scene rewrites and line rewrites do happen during productions of everything. They happen for whatever reason. If they can’t make changes for the better of the movie I wouldn’t want them to be forced into keeping things as is.

Like shut down the movie and say, "Hang on, we need the writers to do up a new draft!" No, that almost never happens, ever.

It made wonder what exactly would be allowed. Is changing a few words considered writing. What if it’s something minor like changing the order of stuff?

The only thing different in a strike is they can't suddenly write up an actual new draft of something. And again, directors can "rewrite" a movie on the fly. It happens all the time. The director will have a new idea on set, or an actor wants to say some lines differently or add a line, or the director doesn't like X Y or Z in the script, etc..

Do you get into trouble for continuing to write or do you just look bad?

Probably a lot of writers are doing so. They just won't say that they are.

[Wildcat]

The only thing different in a strike is they can't suddenly write up an actual new draft of something. And again, directors can "rewrite" a movie on the fly. It happens all the time. The director will have a new idea on set, or an actor wants to say some lines differently or add a line, or the director doesn't like X Y or Z in the script, etc..This is what I meant. Isn’t Jason and Gil part of the guild? That’s what I saw someone mention. If it’s just that new drafts can’t be made then maybe it’s fine but I really don’t know how far it goes and we don’t know how everyone feels about it.

[ZariusTwo]

During the last writer's strike, some actors did write bits of the script for their projects too. Daniel Craig and the director sorted out Quantium of Solace, and Robert Downey Junior and Jon Favreau edited Iron Man

[member_removed]

WTF is GB4?

Is that the Ghostbusters Afterlife sequel?

Hopefully this will slow down the MCU, for me that has gone from fun to a downright chore.

[frank_one]

WTF is GB4?

Is that the Ghostbusters Afterlife sequel?Yes. They are already filming it.

[ZariusTwo]

The writers strike is now impacting overall deals. Just days into the work stoppage, major TV studios have started sending out letters to writer/producers under overall agreements, telling them that their deals are being suspended.

No one would comment but I hear Warner Bros. Television, Universal Studio Group, CBS Studios and Disney Television Studios’ 20th Television and ABC Signature are among those that have sent such notifications, with Sony Pictures Television relaying the message in conversations with representatives or informal emails. I hear the letters started going out Thursday and Friday; with some talent getting calls at the end of this week, to be followed by formal letters Monday.

https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-studios-suspend-tv-overall-deals-disney-warner-bros-cbs-studios-nbcuniversal-1235358556/

[Bahamut810]

Last time this happened? Lots of new Youtube projects launched. I anticipate this will be another godsend for non-hollywood media.

[TurtleManiac]

Their late night shows are not even funny anymore, at all. It’s all just DNC commie propaganda catering to the woke crowd. Nothing of value is lost. And those late night show hosts like Kimmel are not even tweeting their trashy celeb views anymore since the writers strike, proving once again theyre all just a bunch of fake paid Hollywood shills.

[ZariusTwo]

SAG-AFTRA National Board Unanimously Agrees To Send Authorization Vote To Members



https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-national-board-unanimously-agrees-send-authorization-vote-members

[ToSte]

Do we even need those people anymore? A minute on ChatGPT results in more entertaining material than any of the drivel produced these days.

[Mayhem]

Now the actors are going on strike… seemingly they can’t do some cons or appearances either, which puts that sort of show into interesting circumstances if people cancel.

Also if this is true, I’d be ****ing livid too and strike…

“The AI proposal that AMPTP proposed that background performers should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day’s pay, and their companies should own that scan permanently, their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity on any project they want, with no consent and no compensation. So if you think that’s a groundbreaking proposal, I suggest you think again.” Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, SAG-AFTRA's chief negotiator said.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean... f***. It's a very different world now with all of that stuff. I can't get mad at them, really. It should be sorted out.

[Barkworm]

The recent developments with AI sure make you wonder how far away we are from Terminator‘s Judgement Day.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Pretty much the only people who are in favor of AI are the ones who benefit from it or have developed it themselves. I got into an argument with a person who saw absolutely nothing wrong with AI art, and as it turned out, if he was indeed telling truth, he helped developed those systems so he wouldn’t have lost his job to AI.

[Sumac]

Do we even need those people anymore? A minute on ChatGPT results in more entertaining material than any of the drivel produced these days.
Sums my feelings about those idiots to a "T".

The recent developments with AI sure make you wonder how far away we are from Terminator‘s Judgement Day.
Stop this redneck fear-mongering.

Modern day AI is barely literate chat-bot, which works exclusively with provided queues. It is not an artificial intellect, since there is no much of intellect at all. While it can become one in the future, it is quite removed from it right now, at least for about decade or so. And even then...STOP THINKING ABOUT FUTURE IN TERMS OF HOLLYWOOD MOVIES, FOR ****'S SAKE!! .
Thank you.

Its probably the most retarded thing about modern generation, who can't make a fart without somehow bringing into it comparison to a movie, they've watched recently, much less we need people who are smarter than them (I hope) to do so.

Pretty much the only people who are in favor of AI are the ones who benefit from it or have developed it themselves. I got into an argument with a person who saw absolutely nothing wrong with AI art, and as it turned out, if he was indeed telling truth, he helped developed those systems so he wouldn’t have lost his job to AI.
I am in favor of AI, since I believe in incremental development of society via technology.

After multiple decades of amazing development, we now have quite a few setbacks, due to egomaniacs misappropriating technology to fellate their egos, as well, as red tape surrounding truly groundbreaking ideas, but in due time, those problems will be resolved. Egomaniacs will be confined to their corner and there are always places, which are interested in a progress, as opposed to bureaucratic blabbering about "ethics".

AI will certainly remove some people from jobs, but there will be new jobs, unless lunatics, will start burning computers and machines crying about "glorious past years", burning the world in a process.

[Coola Yagami]

Modern day AI is barely literate chat-bot, which works exclusively with provided queues. It is not an artificial intellect, since there is no much of intellect at all. While it can become one in the future, it is quite removed from it right now, at least for about decade or so. And even then...STOP THINKING ABOUT FUTURE IN TERMS OF HOLLYWOOD MOVIES, FOR ****'S SAKE!! .
Thank you.



You act as if something like this will start with Terminator robots coming right out of the box. There are steps to this. Even in the fake Hollywood movie, it took years before Skynet got to that point.

AI art might be one of those steps. Though none of us will probably be alive long enough to see it. Probably our great grandkids.

[Sumac]

You act as if something like this will start with Terminator robots coming right out of the box. There are steps to this. Even in the fake Hollywood movie, it took years before Skynet got to that point.
Funny thing - to my knowledge, NO fiction set in Terminator universe had ever elaborated how the **** Skynet got his cyborg army in a post-apocalyptic world, with infrastructure ruined.

Come to think of it for more than two minutes - in original canon, Skynet starts his nuclear attack almost immediately after gaining sentience. At this point he only has generic tanks and jet fighters and maybe some other non-humanoid machines at his disposal.

Nuclear attack destroys not only majority of human militaries (which is debatable, but whatever), but also powerlines and power plants, supply routes, factories and the like, essentially leaving Skynet with no power and materials to build ANYTHING.

How he is gonna rebuild all of it? No-one knows, since tanks and jet fighters are maybe good for killing remaining humans, but they can not build factories or repair power plants (not to mention, where Skynet will get energy, assuming nuclear attack shutdowns most of the power grid and destroys major power plants, meaning they need to rebuild for scratch, which means you need materials and supply routes to deliver them).

Effectively Skynet nuclear attack will hurt Skynet much more than humans, ironically since it will leave Skynet with no means to wage a further war, no energy or materials for it, while humanity will continue to exist, since they don't need energy in the same capacity as Skynet.

TL;DR
Nuclear war waged by Skynet was Cameron's allegory for the potential Hot War between USA and USSR (not to mention looks good in a movie) and it never made sense in universe. If anything, Skynet would have been much more effective, if he created a deadly virus or a neurotoxin. It would left infrastructure intact and it would spelt the doom for the most of the population.

[Andrew NDB]

Stop this redneck fear-mongering.

I don't think Barkworm is that at all. He's on the other side. But maybe he's learned a thing or two over the years.

Funny thing - to my knowledge, NO fiction set in Terminator universe had ever elaborated how the **** Skynet got his cyborg army in a post-apocalyptic world, with infrastructure ruined.

Come to think of it for more than two minutes - in original canon, Skynet starts his nuclear attack almost immediately after gaining sentience. At this point he only has generic tanks and jet fighters and maybe some other non-humanoid machines at his disposal.

Nuclear attack destroys not only majority of human militaries (which is debatable, but whatever), but also powerlines and power plants, supply routes, factories and the like, essentially leaving Skynet with no power and materials to build ANYTHING.

How he is gonna rebuild all of it? No-one knows, since tanks and jet fighters are maybe good for killing remaining humans, but they can not build factories or repair power plants (not to mention, where Skynet will get energy, assuming nuclear attack shutdowns most of the power grid and destroys major power plants, meaning they need to rebuild for scratch, which means you need materials and supply routes to deliver them).

Effectively Skynet nuclear attack will hurt Skynet much more than humans, ironically since it will leave Skynet with no means to wage a further war, no energy or materials for it, while humanity will continue to exist, since they don't need energy in the same capacity as Skynet.

TL;DR
Nuclear war waged by Skynet was Cameron's allegory for the potential Hot War between USA and USSR (not to mention looks good in a movie) and it never made sense in universe. If anything, Skynet would have been much more effective, if he created a deadly virus or a neurotoxin. It would left infrastructure intact and it would spelt the doom for the most of the population.

It's not a bad question. For all I know there's novels and comics about this stuff, but head canon... the criss-crossing nukes happen, bombing everyone and everything into oblivion. Then both sides are bought time. The humans to regroup in small pockets into TechCOM, and the machines in identifying like nuclear plants untouched by the devastation or hydro-electric dams and such. Then the crude assembly lines start rolling, like we saw in Salvation. Then by the time the humans are even organized enough to do anything at all, the machines are up and running in decent numbers. But yeesh... it's hard to imagine that happening, mostly on the human side.

[Sumac]

It's not a bad question. For all I know there's novels and comics about this stuff, but head canon... the criss-crossing nukes happen, bombing everyone and everything into oblivion. Then both sides are bought time. The humans to regroup in small pockets into TechCOM, and the machines in identifying like nuclear plants untouched by the devastation or hydro-electric dams and such. Then the crude assembly lines start rolling, like we saw in Salvation. Then by the time the humans are even organized enough to do anything at all, the machines are up and running in decent numbers. But yeesh... it's hard to imagine that happening, mostly on the human side.
In T1 Kyle says that no-one knew who had started a war, until somehow army of cyborgs appeared out of thin air. So humans couldn't start resistance, since they didn't even know who they were supposed to fight against at the time.

Likewise, Skynet might have bought a time, but then what? Who will create supply lines? Repair and built power plants and factories? All of those was supposed to be maintained by humans, if we go by an original T1/T2 canon. Even by T3/T4 canons. There were neither humanoid machines nor automated factories at the start of the war. At least none of it was mentioned in the movies themselves.

Even Skynet taking human into slavery is not working, since who actually going to hunt and round up humans? Who will build those labor camps and assembly lines in the first place? Tanks? Jet fighters?

I understand what Cameron was going for, but Terminator universe is not very well thought off.

I can headcanon all of this in 5 minutes, but it won't count for anything, sadly.

[Andrew NDB]

In T1 Kyle says that no-one knew who had started a war, until somehow army of cyborgs appeared out of thin air. So humans couldn't start resistance, since they didn't even know who they were supposed to fight against at the time.

Likewise, Skynet might have bought a time, but then what? Who will create supply lines? Repair and built power plants and factories? All of those was supposed to be maintained by humans, if we go by an original T1/T2 canon. Even by T3/T4 canons. There were neither humanoid machines nor automated factories at the start of the war. At least none of it was mentioned in the movies themselves.

Even Skynet taking human into slavery is not working, since who actually going to hunt and round up humans? Who will build those labor camps and assembly lines in the first place? Tanks? Jet fighters?

I understand what Cameron was going for, but Terminator universe is not very well thought off.

I can headcanon all of this in 5 minutes, but it won't count for anything, sadly.

It'd basically have to be the T-1s and mini HKs from T3 doing all of the heavy lifting. Which is... hard to imagine for sure, in 2004 when it is set, and even harder during the original timeline when we're talking 1997. Though even if key military installations were bombed by the Russians or whatnot, there'd still be bunkers deep down intact with redundancy backup power. Like, we have this right now. And in the Terminator universe, T3 said SkyNET was tied into all of them. So it'd just really take one with the ability to produce stuff (like tanks, or basic machinery) and probably some T-1s and SkyNET coordinating to get some stuff done. Which wouldn't happen fast. But possible.

It's the humans into TechCOM stuff I have trouble wrapping my brain around. They all just got nuked and have no idea there's about to be a machine uprising... I guess they just cluster into radioactive survival clusters until the machines started showing up taking slaves.

[Barkworm]

Being called a redneck is definitely a first for me. I also enjoyed how Andrew's reply sounds like "fear-mongering redneck" is something you need a college degree for or something. :lol:

[Sumac]

It'd basically have to be the T-1s and mini HKs from T3 doing all of the heavy lifting. Which is... hard to imagine for sure, in 2004 when it is set, and even harder during the original timeline when we're talking 1997. Though even if key military installations were bombed by the Russians or whatnot, there'd still be bunkers deep down intact with redundancy backup power. Like, we have this right now. And in the Terminator universe, T3 said SkyNET was tied into all of them. So it'd just really take one with the ability to produce stuff (like tanks, or basic machinery) and probably some T-1s and SkyNET coordinating to get some stuff done. Which wouldn't happen fast. But possible.

It's the humans into TechCOM stuff I have trouble wrapping my brain around. They all just got nuked and have no idea there's about to be a machine uprising... I guess they just cluster into radioactive survival clusters until the machines started showing up taking slaves.
There is another problem - Skynet is supposedly connected to all other machines via either wireless connection, most likely satellites (IDK, if it fits into T1/T2 canon). But if he wants to take over other machines, then he'd need other means like wired networks or wi-fi (once again, not sure if it fits OG canon).

Now, I am not sure, if I know what I am talking about, but I think a lot of nuclear explosions will cause a lot of electromagnetic impulses, which will fry electronic equipment and cause disruption in connections. Once again, due to destruction of power grid, a lot of data centers and servers and internet connection relays will be out of power or destroyed, so once again Skynet hurts itself much more than humans. It ends up without supply lines, materials and connections, which in his case is probably most vital for him, since Skynet is effectively just a code in a computer and it can't go anywhere. And there is no-one to move him anywhere.

It makes T3 look dumb, BTW, because, nuclear strike on power grid and Internet grid will hurt Skynet, if it spread throughout the net. Its like he cuts parts of its own body. Though, maybe he is OK with it.

As for human resistance, there are also a lot of questions. So US and Russia (USSR) major population centers are destroyed, but its not like Skynet launched nukes at every single village. Then there are other countries with and without nukes. Unless Skynet literally threw every single nuclear bomb at every single major and minor city, town and village, half of humanity should be alright. T2 even says that Skynet initial attack had killed 3 billion people and if we go by beginning of the 90s it would be around 50% of population of the planet.

And what about countries with nukes? If Skynet attacks them they bomb US ground twice, making even more damage to Skynet himself in the process. If not they relatively left intact. Yes, a lot of ground and atmosphere will poisoned and, of course, there are problems with supply routes and food shortages, but nothing which humanity would not be able to overcome with the time.

Which means that most of human non-US and Russia military should be intact to counter Skynet attack...which would be conducted exactly how, since Skynet in US and unless he has bases in Europe, Asia and Africa, which is doubtful, how does he plan attack humanity across the oceans?

And how does Skynet rounds up humans throughout the world to work for it? Most likely scenario, Skynet works only in the US, while the rest of the world deals with the consequences of the nuclear war and maybe not even aware of the war between humans and machines in US.

Oh, and another problem - where Skynet take additional fuel for his machines when they run out of gas and electricity, if military facilities are destroyed.

Basically, as I said before Terminator universe logic doesn't really work, if you think about it.

There is a lot of room for very interesting sci-fi stories, but most people will just either skip to Future War or "one cyborg chases other across time".

[TheCanadiandrome]

Now the actors are going on strike… seemingly they can’t do some cons or appearances either, which puts that sort of show into interesting circumstances if people cancel.


I don’t see who the strike affects them going to coneventions but sure


This thread makes me giggle, funny how it can go from chatting about the “Writers Strike” and now the actors going on strike supposedly, to full on bonkers mode talking about AI which has nothing to do with anything :lol::lol::lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I don’t see who the strike affects them going to coneventions but sure


This thread makes me giggle, funny how it can go from chatting about the “Writers Strike” and now the actors going on strike supposedly, to full on bonkers mode talking about AI which has nothing to do with anything :lol::lol::lol:

Not sure about exactly why but for whatever reason they're not allowed to do cons until the strike is over.

[Mayhem]

Yes, SAG union rules during strike prevent certain convention and personal appearances, among other things. Probably tying in with film promotions, so if you are a current actor, you might be screwed. Anyone who last appeared in a film in the 90s but still a member is probably okay.

[Andrew NDB]

Guaranteed, though, when this strike is over you're going to see a ton more of movies and TV shows disappearing from streamers.

[Mayhem]

Okay more appearance strike rules from SAG have emerged, basically you can make appearances, do cons, and do signings, but you can't promote a banned show/producer, can't talk about any character from the shows, and anything you provide to sign can't be from a slated show/film (but anything people bring you to sign is okay). Not sure about signing character names on pieces, that's still being clarified.

[Andrew NDB]

but you can't promote a banned show/producer,

wtf is a "banned show"?

[Mayhem]

wtf is a "banned show"?
One that's been sanctioned by the union as it is produced by one of the studios that the strike is levelled against. So effectively anything from Universal, Sony, Paramount, Disney, Warner Bros and loads more.

Okay "banned" is probably the wrong word, but anyone in SAG AFTRA can't promote or say anything about any production from those studios, they are restricted from doing so by virtue of being in the union. Thus, well, "banned" from saying a word.

[Cowabung-Gal]

While they are screaming for higher pay, the actors who are on strike are gonna lose their jobs anyway because Hollywood can’t afford them.

[Sumac]

While they are screaming for higher pay, the actors who are on strike are gonna lose their jobs anyway because Hollywood can’t afford them.
Doubtful.

Actors are one of the few resources which still can get people into cinemas, as special effects and capeshit are no longer 100% viable moneymakers. So they still keep they around. Scriptwriters and other "maids"? Now those can be on a chopping block.

[Andrew NDB]

I still can't get past the irony of trying to convince your employers not to replace your job with AI or robots by not doing your job. Best of luck to them, though.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I would love to say to those liberal-activist actors and writers who are complaining about AI, “What are you, conservatives? Get with the times already!” Their heads would just explode at the irony. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

We've avoided a UPS strike

https://twitter.com/teamsters/status/1683867683845021697

[ChosenOne]

I would love to say to those liberal-activist actors and writers who are complaining about AI, “What are you, conservatives? Get with the times already!” Their heads would just explode at the irony. :lol:

Or even "Learn to code (AI)"...

[Cowabung-Gal]

We've avoided a UPS strike

https://twitter.com/teamsters/status/1683867683845021697

https://media.tenor.com/a5n5GalczLsAAAAC/relief-phew.gif

Not receiving my packages scares me more than not being able to watch new “modern” movies

[Andrew NDB]

We've avoided a UPS strike

https://twitter.com/teamsters/status/1683867683845021697

Which, on paper, would seem like a silly strike. "Well, I guess it's Fedex, then, yeah?"

[Cowabung-Gal]

Which, on paper, would seem like a silly strike. "Well, I guess it's Fedex, then, yeah?"

Yeah, but having little to no competition would mean that FedEx could charge even more for deliveries or even slack off, which would really suck for us, the customers

[Sumac]

I still can't get past the irony of trying to convince your employers not to replace your job with AI or robots by not doing your job. Best of luck to them, though.
Talking about art and commissions: biggest irony is that artists are already using AI as an inspiration or a middle man for their work. So, idiots who want to stop AI, will rob those very artists, they are trying to support, from work.
But when logic stopped "progressives"?

[ZariusTwo]

The scabs are on their way

https://shadowandact.com/general-hospital-hires-temporary-writers-whove-crossed-the-picket-line-to-make-new-episodes-during-wga-strike

[ZariusTwo]

Strike to go on indefinitely after parties couldn't agree to set new negotiations

https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers-strike-meeting-union-studios-no-new-talks-1235455349/

[Coola Yagami]

Strike to go on indefinitely after parties couldn't agree to set new negotiations

https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers-strike-meeting-union-studios-no-new-talks-1235455349/

lmao

In the meantime the writers should learn how to actually write.

[Sumac]

lmao

In the meantime the writers should learn how to actually write.
Ay this point they will be replaced by AI for sure. Good riddance.

Also, it means that current Hollywood line up will be postponed, which will give more independent writers and directors opportunity to attract people.

[TurtleManiac]

Heard somewhere that because of this strike, some actors and voice actors won’t be able to attend comic con events, anyone know if this is true? And does it apply to the OG cast of TMNT 1987?

Reason I ask is cause there’s a Toy Expo coming up later this month in Santa Clara CA, and it says the ‘87 crew will be there signing autographs etc says its a TMNT reunion with voice actors:

Rob Paulsen (Raphael)
Townsend Coleman (Michelangelo)
Cam Clarke (Leonardo)
Barry Gordon (Donatello)
Renae Jacobs (April O’Neil)

So I plan on going, it would be awesome to meet the stars of my all time favorite cartoon. Would really suck if they have to cancel last minute, or even if just some of them have to bail out cause of strike.

[Coola Yagami]

Heard somewhere that because of this strike, some actors and voice actors won’t be able to attend comic con events, anyone know if this is true? And does it apply to the OG cast of TMNT 1987?

Reason I ask is cause there’s a Toy Expo coming up later this month in Santa Clara CA, and it says the ‘87 crew will be there signing autographs etc says its a TMNT reunion with voice actors:

Rob Paulsen (Raphael)
Townsend Coleman (Michelangelo)
Cam Clarke (Leonardo)
Barry Gordon (Donatello)
Renae Jacobs (April O’Neil)

So I plan on going, it would be awesome to meet the stars of my all time favorite cartoon. Would really suck if they have to cancel last minute, or even if just some of them have to bail out cause of strike.

I mean.... the Ninja Turtles cartoon ended decades ago. They're not writing new episodes or anything. The closest thing we had was Rob doing Animaniacs but that show also ended.

All of them should be safe.

The only actors and voice actors affected are ones currently tied to active projects that were now put on hold due to the strike.

[Dpooly84]

I mean.... the Ninja Turtles cartoon ended decades ago. They're not writing new episodes or anything. The closest thing we had was Rob doing Animaniacs but that show also ended.

All of them should be safe.

The only actors and voice actors affected are ones currently tied to active projects that were now put on hold due to the strike.

To clarify even more, I believe actors are not allowed to promote new products. So you should be fine

[ZariusTwo]

I don't think the animation guild are on strike. Look at how JMS is still promoting his Babylon 5 animated movie

[Mayhem]

Heard somewhere that because of this strike, some actors and voice actors won’t be able to attend comic con events, anyone know if this is true? And does it apply to the OG cast of TMNT 1987?
Basically they may not be able to talk about particular projects they’ve worked on or are working on currently, and bring your own items, as they may not be able to supply ones of various projects themselves. Other than that, most are still going ahead and attending still, apart from a twitchy few who have cancelled various events.

[Coola Yagami]

Basically they may not be able to talk about particular projects they’ve worked on or are working on currently, and bring your own items, as they may not be able to supply ones of various projects themselves. Other than that, most are still going ahead and attending still, apart from a twitchy few who have cancelled various events.

Yeah, and I mean... other than possibly Paulsen... what new projects are the others even working on? At least from what I can see, they're probably living off their TMNT fame getting cash from con to con.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, my answer was a general response about everyone who is in the SAG union, but voice talent isn’t that much different apart from you don’t see their faces.

[TurtleManiac]

I mean.... the Ninja Turtles cartoon ended decades ago. They're not writing new episodes or anything. The closest thing we had was Rob doing Animaniacs but that show also ended.

All of them should be safe.

The only actors and voice actors affected are ones currently tied to active projects that were now put on hold due to the strike.

Only thing I can think of is the recent purchase by Nickelodeon of the ‘87 cartoon, but it seems like they’re all still doing cons etc. At this event I think they’re gonna hold some Q&A panel with fans.

Basically they may not be able to talk about particular projects they’ve worked on or are working on currently, and bring your own items, as they may not be able to supply ones of various projects themselves. Other than that, most are still going ahead and attending still, apart from a twitchy few who have cancelled various events.

The ticket for this event supposedly comes with a TMNT reunion poster, which probably would be a good place to have all their autographs. Haven’t seen what it looks like yet though.

Anyone know is there a limit to how many autographs they usually do? The ticket makes it seem like just one per voice actor. It’s a 3 day even from 8/18-8/20, but the TMNT crew will only be there 2 days the 19th and 20th. So wondering if I wanted to bring say a TMNT figure or something for them to sign after signing the poster, would they just sign it or would there be an extra fee? Just wondering, I’ve never been to a con to get autographs, and definitely don’t wanna miss this one. From what I’ve seen they are very nice to their fans at con events. Or if I go both days could I bring more items to get autographed like an old VHS tape or something. Guess I should do some more research on the event.

[Mayhem]

You’ll have to pay for each autograph, but unless the signing is only on the poster, then you should be okay.

[ZariusTwo]

Talks resume Friday

https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers-guild-strike-talks-resume-amptp-1235459662/

[Dpooly84]

Hollywood should hit the rest button, don't budge start hiring new writers, directors and actors and start fresh. Watch how fast people would start jumping the line lol.

[ZariusTwo]

Details on the new offer to the WGA from the studios

https://comicbookmovie.com/other/wga-strike-may-be-nearing-its-end-as-netflix-and-disney-bosses-make-writers-new-offer-on-behalf-of-studios-a205025#gs.3w065v

[TheCanadiandrome]

Hollywood should hit the rest button, don't budge start hiring new writers, directors and actors and start fresh. Watch how fast people would start jumping the line lol.

Lmao that’s actually quite funny :lol::lol:

[Mayhem]

If this is true, this is pitiful on Spotify lines, no wonder they're pissed about residual payments...

https://i.ibb.co/WD0hRBT/residuals.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Though I mean... this is a complex issue. If me and a bunch of friends stream "A Clockwork Orange" on Netflix 300 times in a week, that's not giving Netflix a bunch of money. It's not even giving them any money. From what money, then, is Netflix supposed to give the writers because of these 300 views? Our monthly, flat subscription fee, right? But how do you break that down? This route doesn't really make much sense, now.

[IMJ]

Though I mean... this is a complex issue. If me and a bunch of friends stream "A Clockwork Orange" on Netflix 300 times in a week, that's not giving Netflix a bunch of money. It's not even giving them any money. From what money, then, is Netflix supposed to give the writers because of these 300 views? Our monthly, flat subscription fee, right? But how do you break that down? This route doesn't really make much sense, now.

These people are entitled fools. They think they write one show and they should be able to retire on it. Complete disregard for how residuals really work and the volumes that you have to "sell" in to not only make money but to have money to redistribute.

[TheCanadiandrome]

These people are entitled fools. They think they write one show and they should be able to retire on it. Complete disregard for how residuals really work and the volumes that you have to "sell" in to not only make money but to have money to redistribute.

Ye it’s kinda hard to feel sorry for em when they’re still taking in more money then most people

[Mayhem]

Though I mean... this is a complex issue. If me and a bunch of friends stream "A Clockwork Orange" on Netflix 300 times in a week, that's not giving Netflix a bunch of money. It's not even giving them any money. From what money, then, is Netflix supposed to give the writers because of these 300 views? Our monthly, flat subscription fee, right? But how do you break that down? This route doesn't really make much sense, now.
But it's no different to the residuals that a recording artist, or the people who write the songs, would receive when that track is either streamed on Spotify (or other platform) or the radio. That's the way the copyright and licensing works. Same with a photographer or artist having their work used in a publication, although that tends to be a flat payment not a royalties type agreement based on sales. They have to find the money to pay the artists, so why can't Netflix, Amazon, Disney etc do the same and increase the amounts? It's peanuts to them in overall revenue.

Ye it’s kinda hard to feel sorry for em when they’re still taking in more money then most people
You do realise the average salary for the writers striking is about $60k. Trying to live in California for many of them. That's absolute peanuts to live on given the cost of the state. I know people struggling on twice that in Cali. Many of the CEOs of the companies in question earn the amount they get paid yearly IN A DAY! All comparitive.

I know this, my job and my better half's jobs both have a "London weighting" on the salary due to the higher cost of living in and around the capital. If we got similar jobs of similar seniority and grade further south like we live now, we'd definitely be paid less. Because the cost of living further south in England is less than London.

[Andrew NDB]

But it's no different to the residuals that a recording artist, or the people who write the songs, would receive when that track is either streamed on Spotify (or other platform) or the radio. That's the way the copyright and licensing works.

But that's different. There's ad revenues, banners and this and that, companies paying Spotify, with the more hits a song gets the more money can go to the artist because that's quantifiably more money that the advertiser(s) are paying because their ad is hitting more people on X song(s). Like, if I listen to the latest Doja Cat song 300 times on Spotify or Pandora and get hit the same banner/commercials 50 times, every time it's showing up that's additional money generated solely by my listening going to Spotify or Pandora from the advertiser that could -- in theory -- trickle down to the artist. I get that. Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, there's no ads or money coming in at all beyond the raw monthly subscription fees. I'm just not seeing where the money is coming from to pay the writers on any kind of "per views" sort of basis beyond a kind of whimsical, "Well, they're making so much money probably so why shouldn't they just do that anyway?"

idk what the solution is, though. Each one of these streamers, it's essentially like paying to eat in a buffet. You pay the fee, you come in the door and you can eat (watch) whatever you want, as much as you want. Like, if tofu is super popular one week at the buffet, do you send the tofu company a royalty check? No, that's crazy.

Though what DOES make sense to me, is each one of these streamers, every time you see, say, "Batman Begins" pop up on one of them, that means that the streamer it is appearing on signed a limited time deal with the studio to put it on the streamer from X date to X date, presumably at some kind of a flat rate. Now, should writers get a small % of that rate? Sure, that makes sense to me. And hey, let's say "Batman Begins" does bananas viewing-wise between X date and X date. If the streamer was forced to share their ratings, this would all be on the up and up. Anyway, now the studio could go, as the expiration date of the deal nears, "Hey streamer, you want to renew our deal to have 'Batman Begins' on there, since I see it's getting tons of hits? Now it's X amount more money." Now the % getting kicked back to the writers could go up, to suit.

Same with a photographer or artist having their work used in a publication, although that tends to be a flat payment not a royalties type agreement based on sales.

Of course.

You do realise the average salary for the writers striking is about $60k. Trying to live in California for many of them. That's absolute peanuts to live on given the cost of the state. I know people struggling on twice that in Cali.

By my math, 60k would come out to about $28.90 an hour. That's not living it up in Bel Air money, but that's not living paycheck to paycheck in a sh***ty studio, either. And obviously it's where you live in CA. Even here in WA, if I was still renting it'd be like $1400-1600 for a one bedroom in the city I'm in. Now, I go 10 miles north in Seattle, same one bedroom would be $3500-4000+. So that's on you/them if you "need" to live in the big cities because the chances are you really don't.

[Mayhem]

The residuals argument also extends to TV channels NBC, CBS etc that do have plenty of adverts. Considering the views and revenue and money paid to CEOs, I think a higher residual rate is easily possible.

Oh and most of Cali is stupid expensive, so choosing where to live in the state isn’t much of a difference between “how much?!” and “HOW MUCH?!”.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Who even wants to live in California?

“They have gorgeous beaches!” Yeah, where many of the homeless junkies park their tents.

“It’s the home of many famous celebrities!” Yeah, celebrities who couldn’t give two ****’s about you and even they are moving out of that state.

“It’s the most progressive state!” Yeah, where grown adults can flash children and show them p*rn and they will be protected by the law. It’s also the most authoritative state where your individual rights mean squat and even criminals are treated better than you.

I mean, to each his own, but I personally just can’t see how anyone could love California.

[Coola Yagami]

Who even wants to live in California?

“They have gorgeous beaches!” Yeah, where many of the homeless junkies park their tents.

“It’s the home of many famous celebrities!” Yeah, celebrities who couldn’t give two ****’s about you and even they are moving out of that state.

“It’s the most progressive state!” Yeah, where grown adults can flash children and show them p*rn and they will be protected by the law. It’s also the most authoritative state where your individual rights mean squat and even criminals are treated better than you.

I mean, to each his own, but I personally just can’t see how anyone could love California.

Not to mention it's expensive as all hell to live there. I guess visit the CA cons, maybe, but for the love of everything, DON'T live there.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Not to mention it's expensive as all hell to live there. I guess visit the CA cons, maybe, but for the love of everything, DON'T live there.

I do want to go to the San Diego Comic Con one day. But as soon as I get my experience I’m getting the heck outta there!

[Coola Yagami]

I do want to go to the San Diego Comic Con one day. But as soon as I get my experience I’m getting the heck outta there!

Be sure to keep any 'wrong' opinions to yourself while you're there. You'd be literally entering the lion's den of all things woke. Enough hashtags, flags and buzzwords to make your head spin.

[TheCanadiandrome]

You do realise the average salary for the writers striking is about $60k. Trying to live in California for many of them. That's absolute peanuts to live on given the cost of the state. I know people struggling on twice that in Cali. Many of the CEOs of the companies in question earn the amount they get paid yearly IN A DAY! All comparitive.

I know this, my job and my better half's jobs both have a "London weighting" on the salary due to the higher cost of living in and around the capital. If we got similar jobs of similar seniority and grade further south like we live now, we'd definitely be paid less. Because the cost of living further south in England is less than London.

Ye I still can’t feel bad for them when I’m working a job 3 days a week making little better than minimum wage

[Cowabung-Gal]

Be sure to keep any 'wrong' opinions to yourself while you're there. You'd be literally entering the lion's den of all things woke. Enough hashtags, flags and buzzwords to make your head spin.

By the time I get back home:

https://media.tenor.com/m6wj6wtJQpsAAAAC/rainbows-vomit.gif

[Andrew NDB]

I was going to San Diego Comicon for many years in a row until maybe 5 years ago. I first went in 1999. I wouldn't call it woke but maybe it is now. What was mostly sad to see over the years I was going is something vast, yet intimate (I mostly mean in the great variety of little panels but also events) gradually becoming a pretty soullessly corporate affair. Somewhere around when the cosplayers became a growing part of the attraction and you'd start to see less and less creators was where you could kind of see which way the wind was blowing.

[IMJ]

I was going to San Diego Comicon for many years in a row until maybe 5 years ago. I first went in 1999. I wouldn't call it woke but maybe it is now. What was mostly sad to see over the years I was going is something vast, yet intimate (I mostly mean in the great variety of little panels but also events) gradually becoming a pretty soullessly corporate affair. Somewhere around when the cosplayers became a growing part of the attraction and you'd start to see less and less creators was where you could kind of see which way the wind was blowing.

Yeah. It's basically an industry trade show now - and has been for quite some time.

[Mayhem]

Who even wants to live in California?
That's where the work is, so you have to be "in range" unlike a number of other professions you could probably get away with being more remote.

Ye I still can’t feel bad for them when I’m working a job 3 days a week making little better than minimum wage
Which isn't their fault now, so you can't feel bad for ANYONE making more than you?

[Wednesday's Serial]

Yeah. It's basically an industry trade show now - and has been for quite some time.

Ever since Singpop got their claws in it. Having worked an unaffiliated comic book, it's sad to see how fast the 'comic' part goes out the window.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Which isn't their fault now, so you can't feel bad for ANYONE making more than you?

Did I once say it was there’s or anyone else’s fault? Nope not that I recall, I’m just stating and onion, and my opinion is I can’t feel sorry for these a-holes whining over utter nonsense

[Mayhem]

Though I mean... this is a complex issue. If me and a bunch of friends stream "A Clockwork Orange" on Netflix 300 times in a week, that's not giving Netflix a bunch of money. It's not even giving them any money. From what money, then, is Netflix supposed to give the writers because of these 300 views? Our monthly, flat subscription fee, right? But how do you break that down? This route doesn't really make much sense, now.
Just to bring back an earlier point, see graphic below… I think they can somehow afford it...


https://i.ibb.co/7J7ZJ58/F63-B64-BC-CBE3-42-C3-9-A3-C-8-A797-C2850-BF.jpg (https://ibb.co/pvCMv8G)

[Andrew NDB]

Just to bring back an earlier point, see graphic below… I think they can somehow afford it.

It's not a question at all if they can afford it. It's a question of where does the money come from and how would it be fair. Let's assume me and 100 friends decide to watch Home Alone on Netflix 100 times in a month. Now Netflix has to pay John Hughes' estate and Macauley Culkin a bunch of money, just straight from their overall profits from everything, everywhere?

[Bahamut810]

I dont know about every issue going on with this, but if the writers agreed to a contract...that's their contract. Them not getting as much as they a decade ago for the same work was the intent.

Maybe they should learn to code.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, going FORWARD, OK. Maybe when you're writing the next Marvel movie or big Hollywood blockbuster to be, you can try to have your agent negotiate for a piece of the streaming contracts. But again, I'm not sure how that would work. With no ads, people just watching a show or movie on a streamer isn't actively generating any money to then disperse. Perhaps a % of whatever flat fee Netflix pays to host said movie for X number of months.

And I'm a bit on the side of the writers, but the actors? I don't know about you guys, but I'm not getting paid again and again for some job I did 10 years ago (even if, for example, they're still using the Excel templates I created, or whatever). They did a job they weren't forced to do.

[Mayhem]

Conversely most of the named actors are earning a lot more…

[ZariusTwo]

Drew Barrymore's talk show will return to the air in compliance with strike guidelines

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/drew-barrymore-talk-show-return-sag-aftra-writers-strike-rules-1235719337/

[Coola Yagami]

Drew Barrymore's talk show will return to the air in compliance with strike guidelines

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/drew-barrymore-talk-show-return-sag-aftra-writers-strike-rules-1235719337/

So why did she get special treatment?

[Andrew NDB]

So why did she get special treatment?

Like with AMC being allowed to return to doing their shows, what this is is her getting permission to continue because she's honoring everything the guild is asking for in their latest offer to the studios.

[ZariusTwo]

Drew has been pulled from hosting the National Book Awards as a consequence of restarting her show

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/13/1199165664/drew-barrymore-dropped-national-book-awards-host

[Andrew NDB]

Drew has been pulled from hosting the National Book Awards as a consequence of restarting her show

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/13/1199165664/drew-barrymore-dropped-national-book-awards-host

How stupid. She's honoring all of their latest demands in what she's doing in the latest season -- something that will NOT happen when a deal is finally reached -- and they're upset?! She's probably going to be locked into whatever crazy stuff she agreed even beyond the end of the strike. It'd be like if a guy pointed a gun at you and said, "I've got men all down this block pointing guns at people trying to get in their cars and and I'm gonna say the same thing to you as they're saying to them -- you're not getting in that car unless you give me $1,000!" and you said, "Well let me think about it," then came back and paid him the $1,000 and got in your car and went. If anything, it should be the studios and such mad at Drew, as it makes their side and stance weaker.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Well, I hate to sound so mean but I don’t feel sorry for Drew. She literally got down on her knees for Dylan Mulvaney. That’s like a black person worshipping a white person wearing blackface. Total embarrassment and lunacy.

I’m no feminist but I consider her a traitor.

[ZariusTwo]

"Real Time With Bill Maher" also returning to television with no writers

https://deadline.com/2023/09/writers-strike-real-time-with-bill-maher-returns-no-writers-hbo-1235546393/

[Andrew NDB]

Well, I hate to sound so mean but I don’t feel sorry for Drew. She literally got down on her knees for Dylan Mulvaney. That’s like a black person worshipping a white person wearing blackface. Total embarrassment and lunacy.

I’m no feminist but I consider her a traitor.

I forgot all about that. Yeah, that was pretty "cringey."

"Real Time With Bill Maher" also returning to television with no writers

https://deadline.com/2023/09/writers-strike-real-time-with-bill-maher-returns-no-writers-hbo-1235546393/

Really? Huh. Well that's fair. His podcast is just free-form, so that makes sense.

[Barkworm]

"Real Time With Bill Maher" also returning to television with no writers

https://deadline.com/2023/09/writers-strike-real-time-with-bill-maher-returns-no-writers-hbo-1235546393/

The opening and ending monologue as well as New Rules have always been the least enjoyable parts of his show so that‘s fine.

[Cowabung-Gal]

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[ZariusTwo]

Drew Barrymore has decided not to bring back her talk show during the strike

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/drew-barrymore-daytime-talk-show-not-returning-strike-1235725739/

[ZariusTwo]

Both The Talk and Jennifer Hudson will also pause their premieres and production due to the strikes

https://deadline.com/2023/09/the-talk-pausing-season-premiere-strike-backlash-1235548871/

https://deadline.com/2023/09/jennifer-hudson-show-delaying-season-2-premiere-strikes-1235549005/

[ZariusTwo]

Bill Maher retreats

https://deadline.com/2023/09/bill-maher-delays-return-real-time-hbo-writers-strike-1235549606/#comments

[Coola Yagami]

What a bunch of cowards. Has this strike not taught them that Hollywood doesn't give a **** about them and they don't owe them ****?

They got the tools to break out on their own in their own studios, but they'd rather continue to blow the Weinsteins of the world.

[Andrew NDB]

Bill Maher retreats

https://deadline.com/2023/09/bill-maher-delays-return-real-time-hbo-writers-strike-1235549606/#comments

That's particularly disappointing to see, given his pretty sensible stance on the strike itself:

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[Coola Yagami]

That's particularly disappointing to see, given his pretty sensible stance on the strike itself:

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They're either addicted to sucking that Hollywood **** or they miss their little kid diddling parties a little too much.

Just let Hollywood die.

[Andrew NDB]

The only way this is getting solved is if there's mandatory commercials on all streaming stuff. Right? That's the only way this can work. There needs to be an actual pie for people to take pieces from. Or a bigger higher tier where you pay a lot more to not have that (I know, already there for a lot of them, but imagine $10 more a month) to equivalently take a % from.

[Mayhem]

The only way this is getting solved is if there's mandatory commercials on all streaming stuff. Right? That's the only way this can work. There needs to be an actual pie for people to take pieces from. Or a bigger higher tier where you pay a lot more to not have that (I know, already there for a lot of them, but imagine $10 more a month) to equivalently take a % from.
There’s more than enough pie, easily, see my previous infographic. The studios are just being incredibly tight.

[ranger_scout]

The WGA has just reached a tentative deal with streamers and studios. :tparty:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/writers-guild-deal-reached-studios-end-of-strike-1235403981/

[Andrew NDB]

It'll be very interesting to see what was conceded. And if there was a lot of concessions in the streaming arena, if that'll mean streamers will just drop a ton of movies and shows that aren't phenomenally popular.

There’s more than enough pie, easily, see my previous infographic. The studios are just being incredibly tight.

But that's just stupid "why can't they just give them more money? They have it, so why not?" talk. Similar to "______ CEO makes 10 billion, why can't he just give it to his workers on the front lines?"

[Barkworm]

It'll be very interesting to see what was conceded. And if there was a lot of concessions in the streaming arena, if that'll mean streamers will just drop a ton of movies and shows that aren't phenomenally popular.



But that's just stupid "why can't they just give them more money? They have it, so why not?" talk. Similar to "______ CEO makes 10 billion, why can't he just give it to his workers on the front lines?"
Please tell us. Why can't he?

[ZariusTwo]

The WGA has just reached a tentative deal with streamers and studios. :tparty:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/writers-guild-deal-reached-studios-end-of-strike-1235403981/

Still has to be voted on and finalized by Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1706134954780848520?t=o5JC7pKaaHRQev8NP7kD2A&s=19

[Mayhem]

But that's just stupid "why can't they just give them more money? They have it, so why not?" talk. Similar to "______ CEO makes 10 billion, why can't he just give it to his workers on the front lines?"
Considering the percentages involved being asked for in regards to the companies' total incomes, it's like sticking a pin in a T-Rex, they wouldn't notice it in the slightest.

[Andrew NDB]

Considering the percentages involved being asked for in regards to the companies' total incomes, it's like sticking a pin in a T-Rex, they wouldn't notice it in the slightest.

This just strikes me as communism. Redistribution of wealth. On its face. Do I think ___ CEO should get paid what they do? No. But what do I know? If you ask me, could I "play" CEO for Disney? Sure. But I have no idea what that entails or anything. I just think an entertainment project should pay out to the people that worked on it whatever their contract says, and if we're dropping streaming into the basket, then whatever new non-contracted payments they should receive need to be vetted very closely and realistically based on real earnings. Which I admit, is hard to gauge with streaming as a general thing. But it's all probably a non-issue with this resolution. And again, I'm really, really interested in what the concessions were agreed upon. Definitely "we" are going to be feeling something from it, I'm just wondering what.

[Barkworm]

This just strikes me as communism. Redistribution of wealth. On its face..

Oh, this lame notion that everything that resembles socialism is something bad. These executives are grossly overpaid. A stupid cow like Kathleen Kennedy does not deserve to be paid millions more than the people actually involved in the creative process.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Oh, this lame notion that everything that resembles socialism is something bad.

Must…resist…urge…to…

Oh, the heck with it.

Socialism is bad. To give those Marxist idiots even just an inch is a huge mistake. Maybe I’ll never get to sleep on a bed of money in a mansion like Kathleen one day, but guess what? As long as I’m free to make my own decisions and go to bed with a full stomach every night, I’m content. If the socialists have their way, then we’ll all be poor and go to bed hungry.

[TheCanadiandrome]

The WGA has just reached a tentative deal with streamers and studios. :tparty:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/writers-guild-deal-reached-studios-end-of-strike-1235403981/

So is this bullsh*t finally over now or not?

[Mayhem]

This just strikes me as communism. Redistribution of wealth. On its face. Do I think ___ CEO should get paid what they do? No. But what do I know? If you ask me, could I "play" CEO for Disney? Sure. But I have no idea what that entails or anything. I just think an entertainment project should pay out to the people that worked on it whatever their contract says, and if we're dropping streaming into the basket, then whatever new non-contracted payments they should receive need to be vetted very closely and realistically based on real earnings. Which I admit, is hard to gauge with streaming as a general thing. But it's all probably a non-issue with this resolution. And again, I'm really, really interested in what the concessions were agreed upon. Definitely "we" are going to be feeling something from it, I'm just wondering what.
I don’t see it as any different from asking for a pay rise based on bonuses or performance, or a royalty type income system for creators instead of a flat fee, or hah hah, you’ll love this… ****ing restaurants expecting you, the customer, to give their waiting staff 20% tips because they are too cheap and stingy to pay them enough in the first place. So glad I live in a country where tipping is optional and you have the discretion to decide how much based on how well you were treated.

Socialism is bad.
I’ll let the Government know to stop your Medicare and other benefits when you get older then if you think socialism is that terrible…

[Cowabung-Gal]

I’ll let the Government know to stop your Medicare and other benefits when you get older then if you think socialism is that terrible…

You want some whipped cream on that boot? Maybe even a nice little cherry on top?

[IMJ]

Please tell us. Why can't he?

"Can't" by proxy of "he shouldn't have to". These are precarious conversations because they are commonly examples of truth in both situations (front line workers probably could be paid more money for example).

But here is the thing - our society - all successful societies are built on these stratifications. And you know - the peasant thinker who argues for more money at peasant jobs like McDonalds (truth in description whether we like it as a pejorative or otherwise) isn't equipped in most ways to even begin to compute why the CEO makes 10,000 times more money than the burger flipper does. Most burger-flippers don't even understand that, academically speaking, one of the top challenges of restauranting is "portion control" (take some minutes to study the story of a Chicago-based Ice Cream place called "Prince Castle" as a fascinating example of "portion control" in entrepreneurship). A basic concept of SWOT analysis for a restaurant guy - but the bigger flipper won't even consider that work - instead he just wants more money.

And so these employees think they deserve more for their hard work, but they'll never come even remotely close to establishing the business and seeing the reality of their position for themselves. They could - but they don't want that because that's the thought process - to complain and make 20 bucks an hour making fast food. In short, the peasant thinker working the peasant job (which I have worked in my life as well by the way) commonly doesn't know what they don't know, but rather they just commonly insist that whatever conclusive thought they do have is correct. It's the same thing as woke $#!(. Woke $#!( and payscale arguments are all on the same spectrum of behavior.

Here is something that most people will never consider - they are incapable of the deeper thought for it - that societies need these stratifications, and that the difference is that these stratifications must happen organically rather than by force or by fascism. HUGE difference. In a free country you have the opportunity to overcome it, but people in America forget that and simply liken the whole thing to "oppression". And that then, is their problem.

[Andrew NDB]

So we know a little bit now:

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/wga-new-contract-strike-ai-writers-room-staffs-residuals-1235736648/?fbclid=IwAR2DNodUJihYvjEnb0Dv8Iqnce-vFxeERPrloiXtRo5SIe_0qR5cq6SkNPQ

* Minimum of 6 writers for any series, unless a solo writer act is agreed upon at the beginning. Eh. OK, fine, I guess. I'm not keen at all that MORE writers are mandated on just about anything.

* Bonuses paid to writers based on viewership in streaming, but only upon the first 90 days of release if it's direct-to-streaming. No clue about old movies or series that just pop up in streamers.

* AI can be used, but only in conjunction with a writer and it has to be transparent to all, and in hindsight.

* Writers are guaranteed a second payment with a second draft? I'm a little fuzzy on this one.

[Mayhem]

That fourth point, I presume if the studio or creative heads ask for rewrites. Which is only fair, you're doing more work based on their (oft ill thought) suggestions, which if they are anything like other creative industries (graphic design especially, don't get my brother started on that one!), they only provide to justify their continued existence.

And you know - the peasant thinker who argues for more money at peasant jobs like McDonalds (truth in description whether we like it as a pejorative or otherwise) isn't equipped in most ways to even begin to compute why the CEO makes 10,000 times more money than the burger flipper does.
I don't know about the US, probably different, but a lot of "waiting staff" and "burger flippers" here are kids at university or college doing jobs to help pay to be there while studying. Not every burger flipper is only capable of flipping burgers the rest of their life. So yes, many of them are in a position to understand the CEO will earn a lot more for a lot more responsibility, but quite often it seems staggering what the ratio is.

Also it's a nice sideline, a slowly increasing one, for pensioners to earn some side money too.

[Sumac]

* Minimum of 6 writers for any series, unless a solo writer act is agreed upon at the beginning. Eh. OK, fine, I guess. I'm not keen at all that MORE writers are mandated on just about anything.
Why?

Its not like one or two writers can not write story. Why six? Is it like Soviet system - two works, four in the background just exist and then receive money for their presence? I don't get it.

From what I've seen - more writers - more cluster**** the final work is.

[IMJ]

* AI can be used, but only in conjunction with a writer and it has to be transparent to all, and in hindsight.

A.I. is great for creating a solid article framework quickly to go in and massage into a true written piece. But on the other hand, if you need the A.I. to really kick out something worth working on, you still need to feed it a metric f-ton of information that you probably could've just translated into your first draft to begin with.

A.I. is great for those quick hit top ten or top 5 style articles. I would guess that people are reading a lot more A.I. articles in their newsfeed than they would have guessed they were consuming. Top 10 style articles are clickbait craziness.

[ZariusTwo]

Late shows are all back next week.

[IMJ]

Late shows are all back next week.

God help humanity....

[Andrew NDB]

"Look at all these indictments! Trump Organization fraud! Ho-ahhh!!!" Etc.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Late shows are all back next week.

https://media.tenor.com/UOJs8kuxJHwAAAAC/yippie-not-okay.gif

[member_removed]

I was really hoping the strike would drag out for a while longer, I need time to catch up on other stuff.

Hopefully, we Star Trek: Legacy sooner than later.

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully, we Star Trek: Legacy sooner than later.

That's probably the only thing I care about coming out of the strike.

[Mayhem]

Its not like one or two writers can not write story. Why six? Is it like Soviet system - two works, four in the background just exist and then receive money for their presence? I don't get it.
If it's a series of 24 episodes for example, it usually means each one will take the lead on writing a handful of episodes and then everyone edits, suggests and moulds the first draft into the final piece.

Do I agree with it? Partially, it generally makes things more consistent for huge projects. Do I think it should be a minimum of six? Probably not.

We tend to get away with it here in the UK with having singular or partner writing teams because series only tend to be 6-8 episodes tops.

[Sumac]

If it's a series of 24 episodes for example, it usually means each one will take the lead on writing a handful of episodes and then everyone edits, suggests and moulds the first draft into the final piece.

Do I agree with it? Partially, it generally makes things more consistent for huge projects. Do I think it should be a minimum of six? Probably not.

We tend to get away with it here in the UK with having singular or partner writing teams because series only tend to be 6-8 episodes tops.
Yeah, I thought about something like that.
For example, StarGate SG1, had 3-5 main writers per seasons + some "guest writers" for one-two episodes.

But I thought this condition applied to the "core story", not each episode. But it seems this is what they've meant, so I guess, I don't really care. As long as everyone get paid and a work is delivered.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Late night shows are back. Which means we’ll get more of this:

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[Andrew NDB]

The actors strike broke down. Both sides are way too far apart still, apparently.

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sag-aftra-talks-suspended-1235752709/?fbclid=IwAR2rKcpm-eKAMz_pGUr-eWUHMay59DOuAkndlTRfvUyTxEIYh-1bMHa5-bw

I'm still not sold on why actors should get money for streaming. Like, in the 80s-2000s was anyone clamoring for actors to get a cut from home video rentals?

[Vivi]

Maybe now real writers will take their place and make movies good again.



If only...

[Cowabung-Gal]

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So this is what Hollywood is planning to replace actors with. It’s worse animation than the Scorpion King in The Mummy Returns :lol:

[TheCanadiandrome]

The actors strike broke down. Both sides are way too far apart still, apparently.

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sag-aftra-talks-suspended-1235752709/?fbclid=IwAR2rKcpm-eKAMz_pGUr-eWUHMay59DOuAkndlTRfvUyTxEIYh-1bMHa5-bw

I'm still not sold on why actors should get money for streaming. Like, in the 80s-2000s was anyone clamoring for actors to get a cut from home video rentals?

Just gets stupider by the day

[TheCanadiandrome]

F@ckin strike! Wish they’d piss-off with this bull and settle already. There was no reason to strike imo, much less for it to go on as long as it has

[ZariusTwo]

SAG-AFTRA forbidding talent from dressing up for Halloween as it promotes the studios

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67168074

[Sumac]

And if they want to dress up as a generic skeleton it will promote...what exactly?

[ZariusTwo]

And if they want to dress up as a generic skeleton it will promote...what exactly?

Everyone dress as La Parker!:)

[Coola Yagami]

F@ckin strike! Wish they’d piss-off with this bull and settle already. There was no reason to strike imo, much less for it to go on as long as it has

you're acting as if we're actually missing out on anything worthwhile?

[Andrew NDB]

There's a big excitement in the Seattle indie film community. Historically these kinds of strikes allow people who wouldn't be able to under normal circumstances to "break in" to the film industry.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/oji9cS1.png

[Andrew NDB]

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sagaftra-strike-ai-amptp-contract-1235783065/

Sounds like studios acquiesced to their demand so that should do it.

Read a little bit there about studio concessions. Most of what I'm seeing is pretty fair. IF a show is getting like a ton of hits on Netflix or Amazon Prime, the actors involved get like a one time bonus during that contracted run on the given streamer. If it doesn't get much/any watches, they get f*** all. OK. That's fine by me. Though doesn't this all mean streamers have to be transparent with viewer ratings now?

[TheCanadiandrome]

you're acting as if we're actually missing out on anything worthwhile?

Some stuff yes, maybe not everything

[ZariusTwo]

So they're arranging a programme with A.I anyway

https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-and-replica-studios-introduce-groundbreaking-ai-voice-agreement-ces

[Andrew NDB]

So they're arranging a programme with A.I anyway

https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-and-replica-studios-introduce-groundbreaking-ai-voice-agreement-ces

C'mon, Clint Eastwood... Dirty Harry: The Game... it's not too late.