Israel–Palestine Conflict

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Last Saturday, Palestinian militant groups launched a large-scale attack against Israel from the Gaza Strip. For first time since the October War of 1973, Israel has officially declared war.

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[Cowabung-Gal]

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Tim does have a valid point: why are we the world police? We can’t even take care of our own country. Our southern borders are wide open, our economy’s in shambles, we’re sterilizing our own children, and we’re biting each other’s heads off over political differences.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Tim does have a valid point: why are we the world police?

Because the vast majority of American Politicans have prostituted themselves to the Zionist project.

[Sumac]

Tim does have a valid point: why are we the world police?
Because, US is the most influential country in the world, which uses this status to get whatever it wants, from people to resources to contracts.
As for its internal politics - drop in the bucket, for now, at least.

Because the vast majority of American Politicans have prostituted themselves to the Zionist project.
WOW.
In this life I hate quite a few things, but few make my blood boil like commies and nazis.
If I had any trust in your sanity, its gone. Go away nazi scum.

[Barkworm]

Because, US is the most influential country in the world, which uses this status to get whatever it wants, from people to resources to contracts.
As for its internal politics - drop in the bucket, for now, at least.


WOW.
In this life I hate quite a few things, but few make my blood boil like commies and nazis.
If I had any trust in your sanity, its gone. Go away nazi scum.
I get your emotional outburst in this case but he's not a Nazi, he's an Islamic fundamentalist. Not that that's any better, just clarifying.

[Mayhem]

In regards here, there’s nearly as many Jewish people in the US as actually in Israel, so on a similar vein to being gay, non Christian and the so forth, not supporting Israel is political suicide in the US. And before you say “but there’s plenty of Muslims in the US too”, yes there are, but from a multitude of countries around the world too. 70% of all Jewish people live in Israel or the US, so of course the major focus will be those two countries.

And this folks is why religion is the fourth biggest killer after cancer, heart attacks and malnutrition.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

In regards here, there’s nearly as many Jewish people in the US as actually in Israel, so on a similar vein to being gay, non Christian and the so forth, not supporting Israel is political suicide in the US. And before you say “but there’s plenty of Muslims in the US too”, yes there are, but from a multitude of countries around the world too. 70% of all Jewish people live in Israel or the US, so of course the major focus will be those two countries.

And this folks is why religion is the fourth biggest killer after cancer, heart attacks and malnutrition.

I personally do not think its the Jewish religion per se which is the problem. Rather, I hold that its certain members of the Jewish Race who use religion as a cover and justification for the Zionist project (all the while said project is actually Atheistic in nature).

[Galactus]

Well this thread certainly wont end up being a **** show.

Tim does have a valid point: why are we the world police?

It shouldn't be...at least not in terms of invading countries and occupying them for dubious reasons to try and build them into democracies that are sympathetic to the US but that's how the US has always operated.

Israel is a slight variation on this; the US didn't actually have to invade but it's in their best interest to give them all kinds of aid because they are the only "stable democracy" in the middle east and the one by the far the most friendly to United States and their interests in the region. If it wasn't Israel it would be another Islamic country in it's place potentially hostile to America and the West in general. That's a belief shared broadly on both sides of the political spectrum.

On the right however they have additional reasons; mostly the belief that if Jewish people have their own their own country there is less in the US and the ones already there will slowly migrate there one day. The evangelicals also have religious reasons that the believe once the Israelites re-inherit their homeland it will bring about the end times...I'll never figure out why they want that as I'm pretty sure when the rapture comes they wont be floating up to Heaven.


We can’t even take care of our own country. Our southern borders are wide open, our economy’s in shambles, we’re sterilizing our own children, and we’re biting each other’s heads off over political differences.

This is silly. The US/Mexico border is certainly not wide open. Biden has kept almost all of Trump's border policies. If you were one of those people who thought the border was strongly protected under him you should feel the same way now because nothing has changed down there.

The US economy is actually doing okay right now. Better than almost any point when Trump was president so again if you are one of those people who raved about Trump's "booming economy" you should feel the same way now.

No one is sterilizing children.

[TurtleManiac]

I get your emotional outburst in this case but he's not a Nazi, he's an Islamic fundamentalist. Not that that's any better, just clarifying.

Are Islamic fundamentalist pro Hamas, seen that a bunch or Palestinians as part of the Democratic Socialists of America in NYC celebrating the attack on Israel

https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/democratic-socialists-of-america-cheer-murder-and-kidnapping-of-israelis/amp/

The world would be a better place if these anti-American, Islamic Sharia Law types would stay in their homeland. They are invading everywhere, Europe, Canada, and U.S. Now they even play Muslim prayers on loud speaker in New York Times Square. Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? These people with anti-American ideology such as Ilhan Omar infiltrating U.S. government. Very concerning. All thanks to Biden and his boss, Barack Hussein Obama, the 2 worst, most corrupt presidents in U.S. history.


This is silly. The US/Mexico border is certainly not wide open. Biden has kept almost all of Trump's border policies. If you were one of those people who thought the border was strongly protected under him you should feel the same way now because nothing has changed down there.

The US economy is actually doing okay right now. Better than almost any point when Trump was president so again if you are one of those people who raved about Trump's "booming economy" you should feel the same way now.

No one is sterilizing children.

Is this satire? It’s gotta be. Or maybe you don’t even live in U.S. and don’t know what you’re talking about.

This is the worst economy in U.S. history, gas is about to hit $7-$8 in CA, borders wide open since Biden took office, and now he’s talking about securing the border but the damage is already done, millions of un-vetted migrants have invaded the U.S. And yes they are messing with children thru vaccines and extreme lgbtq+ propaganda and indoctrination in schools. Biden and his handlers are destroying the U.S., 2 new wars have started, he’s funding terrorists, and China has been circling around Taiwan. Trump was right about everything.

[Galactus]

The world would be a better place if these anti-American, Islamic Sharia Law types would stay in their homeland.

The Palestinians want to stay in their homeland. They just don't want it occupied by Israel. That's kinda the whole point of the whole Israel/Palestine conflict.

Is this satire? It’s gotta be. Or maybe you don’t even live in U.S. and don’t know what you’re talking about.

This is the worst economy in U.S. history, gas is about to hit $7-$8 in CA, borders wide open since Biden took office, and now he’s talking about securing the border but the damage is already done, millions of un-vetted migrants have invaded the U.S. And yes they are messing with children thru vaccines and extreme lgbtq+ propaganda and indoctrination in schools. Biden and his handlers are destroying the U.S., 2 new wars have started, he’s funding terrorists, and China has been circling around Taiwan. Trump was right about everything.

I don't live in the US but that doesn't disqualify from knowing what goes on there.

The US economy has literally grown under Biden since Trump was office. Granted that would naturally happen given Trump had the worst brunt of Covid but it's in a better state now than it was throughout most of Trump's presidency. Unemployment rates are at historic lows and wage growth is fairly high. Consumer spending has also been on an upward trajectory. I've made this point before but since you bring it up there is little a president can do about gas prices (and you wouldn't like the things a president could do to intervene). That shouldn't be factored in to a conversation how any particular government is handling an economy.

If the US/Mexican border is wide open then that's on Trump because as I've said the border policies that you have now are almost identical to that you had under Trump. Funny how there's "invasions" only when Democrats are president.

Are you talking specifically about the Covid one or all vaccinations? Either way it's ********. Vaccinations are proven work to protect people. What specifically is being taught in schools that qualifies as "LGBTQ+ indoctrination"?

[Andrew NDB]

The videos coming out of this are really pretty incredible. Hamas going door to door, shooting anyone they find, visibly raping women, blood coming from their nether parts, stacking bodies, shooting children and old ladies and then laughing about it.

And AOC and the squad says that Israel should not do anything about it, just ceasefire? Israel should? Outrageous. This is literally the worst terror attack since 2001.

[TurtleManiac]

Trump had these terrorists in check, destroyed ISIS and executed 2 terrorist leaders. Deported terrorists and secured the borders. By eliminating Islamic terrorism, we were seeing less and less “islamaphobia”. Biden brought it back, by “accidentally” arming the Taliban with $86 billion in military weapons and whatever other shady business he’s doing with Iran, and opening up the borders for terrorists.

The mainstream leftist media said Trump would lead us into WWIII. Now that Biden is actually doing it, the media is silent. What say you now, nevertrumpers?

[Stu_Padasso]

Not our monkeys, not our circus. Want to sell arms as long as it’s not our top of the line stuff to Israel if they want to pony up the cash? Fine. But not one dollar of taxpayers money sent to fight someone else’s war. Neither side is innocent and with 33 trillion dollars of debt we can’t be the world’s policeman.

I don’t care if you’re Jewish, Muslim or Christian. I’m sick of your ****. We’ve got our own problems. The sooner we get over our hang ups over nuclear power and develop our own domestic energy sources like natural gas, the better so we can leave these people to their own devices.

[Andrew NDB]

I think Israel has "got this." But it's going to be ugly because Hamas likes to put bases below hospitals and use human shields on the regular, so it looks bad on CNN and otherwise. Meanwhile Israel is literally bothering to deploy bombs that "knock" on rooftops to let everyone know to get out, and this is after warning that they're going to strike. You think Hamas is returning the favor?

[Sumac]

I get your emotional outburst in this case but he's not a Nazi, he's an Islamic fundamentalist. Not that that's any better, just clarifying.
Is there any meaningful difference? Both belong to the black hole.

I personally do not think its the Jewish religion per se which is the problem. Rather, I hold that its certain members of the Jewish Race who use religion as a cover and justification for the Zionist project (all the while said project is actually Atheistic in nature).
You are insane. Get yourself a nice padded cell.

What specifically is being taught in schools that qualifies as "LGBTQ+ indoctrination"?
All this queer battlehelicopter nonsense and than depression can be cured by transition castration.

Are Islamic fundamentalist pro Hamas, seen that a bunch or Palestinians as part of the Democratic Socialists of America in NYC celebrating the attack on Israel
I don't think there is a difference. Anyhow, people celebrating terror attacks belong in the same ditch as terrorists.

The videos coming out of this are really pretty incredible. Hamas going door to door, shooting anyone they find, visibly raping women, blood coming from their nether parts, stacking bodies, shooting children and old ladies and then laughing about it.
But you see its Israel who is the bad guy and "provoked" them to do those horrible things. Because, apparently, when your mere existence provokes bunch of lunatics to start killing your people its your own damn fault.

I hate how left progressive trash approach this. While terrorists commit their horrible crimes, all they can yap is "how Israel provoked poor oppressed brown people to attack them". Also, the fact they approach this conflict from US angle about races is hilarious.

It is also ironic that for all their screams about "rise of nazis everywhere", progtrash are extremely aligned with nazis, when it comes to Jews. And, if you remember other core tenets of their ideology, then maybe there are not much of any difference at all.

Anyhow, given that HAMAS behaves like a bunch of feral lunatics, which they are, I don't think any rational person would have any sympathy to them and by proxy, Palestinians as a whole. No matter what progtrash gonna preach.

And AOC and the squad says that Israel should not do anything about it, just ceasefire? Israel should? Outrageous. This is literally the worst terror attack since 2001.
AOC is dumb as a brick and vile as a toxic slime.
To surprise of no-one.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It's baffling how Israel, one of the best armed militaries in the world and having one of the most renowned intelligence agencies, failed to see this attack coming while it was an open secret that Palestine was plotting for years.

Clearly Israel has grown lazy and incompetent.

[Barkworm]

I won‘t be getting into this too much but let me start by saying that of course this was a despicable terrorist attack and Israel has to respond, no question.

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades while at the same time constantly playing the anti-semitism card whenever they are criticized.

[Mayhem]

I won‘t be getting into this too much but let me start by saying that of course this was a despicable terrorist attack and Israel has to respond, no question.

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades while at the same time constantly playing the anti-semitism card whenever they are criticized.
This and this. Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades. It's almost as if the best bet would be to literally NO ONE has Jerusalem, it's emptied, cleared.

[Andrew NDB]

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades

What are these violations?

This and this. Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades. It's almost as if the best bet would be to literally NO ONE has Jerusalem, it's emptied, cleared.

So it's morally equivalent? You equate droves of Hamas people -- on video, it's readily available right now, go and see, hundreds of videos -- going through Israel killing in rapid fire fashion Jews and raping Jews until they bleed and then killing them and their children and grandmothers to whatever conditions may exist for 20% of the population in Israel, to laughter and chanting? That, from what I can measure, seems like a pretty OK life for them beyond them just fundamentally wanting no Jews in Israel. You're saying that's about the same? Jesus, man. This is a really sick place from which to stand. The curtain has come up. There is literally NO defense here whatsoever.

Your college professor is objectively WRONG.

[Barkworm]

What are these violations?



So it's morally equivalent? You equate droves of Hamas people -- on video, it's readily available right now, go and see, hundreds of videos -- going through Israel killing in rapid fire fashion Jews and raping Jews until they bleed and then killing them and their children and grandmothers to whatever conditions may exist for 20% of the population in Israel, to laughter and chanting? That, from what I can measure, seems like a pretty OK life for them beyond them just fundamentally wanting no Jews in Israel. You're saying that's about the same? Jesus, man. This is a really sick place from which to stand. The curtain has come up. There is literally NO defense here whatsoever.

Your college professor is objectively WRONG.
There‘s a 100+ report by Amnesty international on Israel‘s oppression of Palestinians.
I don‘t think anyone was talking about equivalence or defending Hamas (except FWLeonardo). Hamas are despicable and need to be brought to justice. They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What are some good places to see video updates on the conflict? The "Eye on Palestine" channel on Telegram I've found useful but I'm sure there are many other sources too.

https://t.me/eyeonpal

[Andrew NDB]

They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.

There IS no Israel aggression. Only tit for tat responses, wirh Hamas hiding -- proudly, and outspokenly -- behind civilian targets after they attack. Continiously. Because they hate Jews in Israel. And honestly Israel has been pretty conservative in their responses thus far.

And please tell me what I am missing in these videos. These are visibly people bloodily raping and shooting women and little kids. This is OK? This is just morally OK? What is Israeli Jews doing remotely like this? My god, man.

[Drose18]

Everything Andrew has said is spot on

[Barkworm]

There IS no Israel aggression. Only tit for tat responses, wirh Hamas hiding -- proudly, and outspokenly -- behind civilian targets after they attack. Continiously. Because they hate Jews in Israel. And honestly Israel has been pretty conservative in their responses thus far.

And please tell me what I am missing in these videos. These are visibly people bloodily raping and shooting women and little kids. This is OK? This is just morally OK? What is Israeli Jews doing remotely like this? My god, man.
Yeah, I said nowhere it's okay.

[Vegita-San]

Everything Andrew has said is spot on

Bingo. I'm not religious. I've got no dog in this 'holy war' ****. What I DO have, is treating people like people. and so far, everything palestine has done, is show how in human they really are. and the only response to that is too squash them.

harsh, but that's the only way some people learn.

i'm shocked every building in gaza hasn't been leveled by now.

[Sumac]

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades while at the same time constantly playing the anti-semitism card whenever they are criticized.
Yeah, sure, mate they are "not being attacked for existing" by lunatic feral bitches who want to kill every single one of them for....existing.

If anything, Israel showed amazing restraint in regards to those terrorist freaks. Less scrumptious countries would have wiped Palestine twenty times over and called it a day. Yet, Israel was trying to do its best to co-exists with those monsters. Well, guess what happens, when you placate lunatics? They still are trying to kill you, that's what.

So, all those yapping about "Israel oppress poor brown people" are just retarded and effectively plays in the hands of the terrorists and their lunatic supporters, legitimizing them and their claims.

This and this. Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades. It's almost as if the best bet would be to literally NO ONE has Jerusalem, it's emptied, cleared.
As expected from resident "totally not lefty (except for all of his rhetoric)".
*yawn*

So it's morally equivalent? You equate droves of Hamas people -- on video, it's readily available right now, go and see, hundreds of videos -- going through Israel killing in rapid fire fashion Jews and raping Jews until they bleed and then killing them and their children and grandmothers to whatever conditions may exist for 20% of the population in Israel, to laughter and chanting? That, from what I can measure, seems like a pretty OK life for them beyond them just fundamentally wanting no Jews in Israel. You're saying that's about the same? Jesus, man. This is a really sick place from which to stand. The curtain has come up. There is literally NO defense here whatsoever.

Your college professor is objectively WRONG.
Don't expect any logic and reasoning from the left. They are as morally bankrupt just as they are cruel and hypocritical.

There‘s a 100+ report by Amnesty international on Israel‘s oppression of Palestinians.
>Palestinians shot 5000+ missiles at Israel and send group to literally genocide everything that moves in their way;
>Israel responds with an army as any state should;
> smort liberals Mayhem and Barkworm: "Israel is aggressor, m'k!"

https://i.imgur.com/VD09afj.jpeg
Portrait of a generic Western liberal.

[TurtleManiac]

U.S. Congress introduces $2 Billion Dollar bipartisan bill for aid to Israel

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us-congress-introduces-bipartisan-bill-for-usd-2-billion-in-aid-for-israel-article-104323645/amp

[Vegita-San]

and people wonder why inflation keeps going up.

someone needs to tighten the purse strings

[Barkworm]

>Palestinians shot 5000+ missiles at Israel and send group to literally genocide everything that moves in their way;
>Israel responds with an army as any state should;
> smort liberals Mayhem and Barkworm: "Israel is aggressor, m'k!"

https://i.imgur.com/VD09afj.jpeg
Portrait of a generic Western liberal.

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

I enjoy talking to him too, it always leaves me giggling.

[Vegita-San]

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

I guess you approve of beheading babies?

or would you care to explain that one away?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.

[Mayhem]

At no point was I condoning the attack Hamas has just carried out. Just noting that Israel has a huge amount of responsibility and blood on its hands over the decades for their treatment of the other non Jewish people living in the same region. They are not blameless in the same way as those terrorist (aka freedom fighters from whatever perspective the locals possibly see) organisations committing atrocities against Jewish people.

Israel enacting forced evictions to reclaim land is just the tip of a huge iceberg.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Which is why I said the only way the whole thing might be solved is to literally have no one live there, no claim to Jerusalem, separate out all factions in the same way there’s the 38th Parallel, but let’s make it a bunch bigger.

Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers. The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank. Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.

[Sumac]

At no point was I condoning the attack Hamas has just carried out. Just noting that Israel has a huge amount of responsibility and blood on its hands over the decades for their treatment of the other non Jewish people living in the same region. They are not blameless in the same way as those terrorist (aka freedom fighters from whatever perspective the locals possibly see) organisations committing atrocities against Jewish people.
Israel was not the one who started it. The state has been hounded for years by "oppressed brown people of the most peaceful religion" hellbent on genocide.

Yes, Israel methods are not always delicate and brought about a lot of collateral and I wish it didn't come to that. But considering Palestine terrorists love to hide behind the backs of civilians (literally) and generally do not discriminate who they attack and how much damage they do to themselves...sadly it is inevitable.

More than that Palestine and its terrorist overlords were given more than enough opportunities to have peaceful life for their state, but they had blew each and every of those. So, calling Israel "aggressor" is a hilarious misnomer.

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.
They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.
You are not only insane, but also can't read.
As expected from followers of fairy tales.

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.
As usual, if you can't take criticism, than either don't say stupid things or take a punch like man.

I enjoy talking to him too, it always leaves me giggling.
What is there to expect from a delusional caveman? Self-reflection?

[Sumac]

Double post.
Sorry.

[Mayhem]

Please point out where in my post did I call Israel an aggressor. Go on, I’ll wait…

[Vegita-San]

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.

I must have missed that. but at least he's not too far gone.

The point, is that you can't reason with people like that. and ALOT of Palestinians seem to think this is OK behavior. That is a war that will only be won by wiping out one side.

[Vegita-San]

and yes, I agree that isreal probably has it's share of dirty deeds in this. but when you live next to the likes of them, it's hard not to become like them.
would be nice if this 'holyland' nonsense didn't shield them from the same criticism.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The point, is that you can't reason with people like that. and ALOT of Palestinians seem to think this is OK behavior. That is a war that will only be won by wiping out one side.

The Palestinian Sources I follow which showcase video footage taken by civilians and Hamas fighters alike do not show or mention wholesale extermination.

There is alot of sayings like "40 beheaded babies" and "Hamas gang rapes" but until I see the videos myself, then I suspect its atrocity propaganda just like what was employed against Germany during World War 1.

[Andrew NDB]

The Palestinian Sources I follow which showcase video footage taken by civilians and Hamas fighters alike do not show or mention wholesale extermination.

There is alot of sayings like "40 beheaded babies" and "Hamas gang rapes" but until I see the videos myself, then I suspect its atrocity propaganda just like what was employed against Germany during World War 1.

Wtf are you talking about? Hamas THEMSELVES are posting the videos!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Wtf are you talking about? Hamas THEMSELVES are posting the videos!

Link to the atrocity videos? I didn't find them on Hamas' Telegram channel.

[Sumac]

Please point out where in my post did I call Israel an aggressor. Go on, I’ll wait…
Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades.
Next time maybe you should better control your tongue to not regret something you've said before.

The Palestinian Sources I follow which showcase video footage taken by civilians and Hamas fighters alike do not show or mention wholesale extermination.

There is alot of sayings like "40 beheaded babies" and "Hamas gang rapes" but until I see the videos myself, then I suspect its atrocity propaganda just like what was employed against Germany during World War 1.
Considering that you are a deranged lunatic, worshipping fairy tales, with zero ability to comprehend reality, I do not expect you to believe any source, which go against your bias.

[Mayhem]

Next time maybe you should better control your tongue to not regret something you've said before.
You don't have to be aggressive to treat another party poorly.

(see many a troubled relationship where one side is a dick/bitch but doesn't ever hit the other party)

Russia invading Ukraine, now THAT'S aggressive.

[Andrew NDB]

You don't have to be aggressive to treat another party poorly.

(see many a troubled relationship where one side is a dick/bitch but doesn't ever hit the other party)

Russia invading Ukraine, now THAT'S aggressive.

Even calling Hamas "a party" likens you to a monster. While there are pretty rough videos that I've seen where Ukraine or Russian troops are doing some pretty heinous stuff to one another, this is like nothing we've seen since the holocaust. Literally. Perhaps worse! There are literally droves of women shoved out of their homes and butt-raped until they bleed and we see them gushing blood while they watch their babies shot dead or worse.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There are literally droves of women shoved out of their homes and butt-raped until they bleed and we see them gushing blood while they watch their babies shot dead or worse.

Big Fat Lies.

No such videos of this. You have no links.

[Andrew NDB]

Big Fat Lies.

No such videos of this. You have no links.

You want me to share links to beheaded babies here? Wtf. What's the matter with you? I'm not sharing sh** here. It could get the board shutdown or me rightly banned. But as an exercise I spent 2 minutes googling stuff freehand... yeah, it's easily accessible/viewable. Moreso on Duckduckgo. Expend the 3 calories, weirdo. This is not a thing they're remotely trying to hide (Hamas, not CNN).

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You want me to share links to beheaded babies here? Wtf. What's the matter with you? I'm not sharing sh** here. It could get the board shutdown or me rightly banned. But as an exercise I spent 2 minutes googling stuff freehand... yeah, it's easily accessible/viewable. Moreso on Duckduckgo. Expend the 3 calories, weirdo. This is not a thing they're remotely trying to hide (Hamas, not CNN).

It doesn't have to be here, you can always private message them to me. Its not a complicated request.

I have seen lots of videos of the conflict as I follow Hamas channels, but no videos of:

1. 40 beheaded babies
2. Gang rapes
3. Old ladies and kids being shot.

I'll wait. Prove me wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

It doesn't have to be here, you can always private message them to me. Its not a complicated request.

I have seen lots of videos of the conflict as I follow Hamas channels, but no videos of:

1. 40 beheaded babies
2. Gang rapes
3. Old ladies and kids being shot.

I'll wait. Prove me wrong.

I'm not taking the bait here. I'm telling you. This is LITERALLY readily available videos. Like, my 15 year old is capable of googling them. This isn't a hard thing.

[Mayhem]

Even calling Hamas "a party" likens you to a monster.
I am talking the legal definition of "party" here, as in the age old joke about the party of the first part and the party of the second part etc. Which can mean a person, a group, an entity, an organisation. Not specifically political party.

Denying Israel has done some shocking things to the residents of Gaza is utter denial similar to, those who deny the Holocaust happened. Maybe you missed the words "war crimes", "apartheid", "illegal collective punishment", "unlawful killings", and "torture" from my earlier post? Problem is, any criticism of Israel's policies is seem as anti-semitic. And thus the delusion continues. As with almost everything else in this chaos, it serves both sides' purposes: anti-semites can hide behind "reasonable criticism of Israel" and unreasonable politicians hide behind "all criticism of Israel is anti-semitism". Another mess.

I almost got engaged to someone Jewish in the past. Her parents objected to her marrying someone non-Jewish. I liked her dad, he was alright, her mum was a typical absolute authority gaslighting total controlling mother sadly. Mum is currently sanctioned in a mental hospital. Anyhow... the more orthodox wings of the religion would disown said ex because she isn't a supporter of Israeli policy and she loves bacon and sausages too much. Or as she saw herself would be labelled, "a bad Jew" as a result.

At no point have I ever condoned this attack. It's not about one god or another, it's a fight for survival, for power.

Hamas need support. The more brutal Israel are, the more support Hamas have on the ground. The more Hamas are seen to be the plucky underdog fighting Israel, the more support Hamas have politically. No fight against Israel, no need for Hamas.

Israel has a largely far right government. It has the same support issues as Hamas. The more powerful Israel's enemies are seen to be, the more support Israel's government has on the ground. The more Israel is seen to be the victim of terrorist violence, the more support Israel has politically. When Israel has no enemies, the far right is no longer needed.

With Hamas as disruptive force it's near impossible to reach the former goal of a two-state solution, a solution Netanyahu and his far-right government are opposed to themselves. In the end you get two political enemies somehow supporting and depending on each other.

Netanyahu is already being heavily criticized for the weak military presence on the Gaza border (they were focusing on the West Bank instead), and actually read a quote from a Hamas representative that he was surprised at the scale of the Hamas operation and its success. He had expected some minor fighting amid fierce resistance from Israeli forces, but instead they were able to deeply invade the country and wreak havoc. So now Netanyahu is forced - not that he wouldn't like to do that anyway - to retaliate hard to strengthen his own domestic position. I wouldn't be surprised to see them flatten Gaza once and for all. And so the cycle perpetuates.

And of course there's already attacks from Hezbollah in the north and shelling of Syria from the Golan Heights. Business as usual. See the news from 40 years ago, nothing has changed, basically.

[Coola Yagami]

We Americans take our country so much for granted. It's not a perfect country but we're not constantly being bombed or have soldiers just running around killing and raping civilians.

Thats why I always roll my eyes at all the stupid first world problems these tiktok weirdos always try to conjure up.

[Vegita-San]

the only way this ends, if it the middle east wipes itself out. then everyone else gets some free land too start over. cruel, but the honest truth of what needs too happen of people on all sides, who refuse to move out of the stone age.

[Barkworm]

Since the thread has been mostly name calling and discussing snuff, I'll go ahead and lock it.