This site needs cleaned up

[The Inventive Donatello]

There's frankly way too many intolerant people on here (even if I can meet them halfway on some things) - which is why I gave one or two of them both barrels. I want to talk about TMNT and other entertainment stuff but it's frankly impossible.

I was reading through a political thread and there were almost a dozen radical right-wing people talking and spewing absolute bollocks. Others were trying to talk sense into them but it was pointless. And many people who don't go along with their moaning about the woke have been chased off here now for not going along with their relentless diatribes of crap.

I'd like to stay and talk Turtles but these people make it impossible.

I will be leaving either voluntarily or not of my own accord (hopefully the former). But these forums have been taken over by these nutjobs and the more sane around you really shouldn't stand for it. It's a ****ing TMNT FORUM that has been heavily politicised and weaponised by a clique, and it shouldn't be allowed.

I could quite easily call them out by name, too.

[Sumac]

And so our newcomer (who is totally not a reincarnation of the some loser from the past, no sir), shows his true intentions.
The mask had fallen and our "totally not SJW guy, I swear" ended up being just another of his kin, who want total control over everything.

Guess, some of the SJWs are adamant to turn this place into their personal hugbox, huh? Or they can't tolerate idea that people somewhere DISAGREE with them.
Pathetic, either way.

[The Deadman]

You dont have to read the political threads. I dont have the time and usually stick to the entertainment section.

[TigerClaw]

You dont have to read the political threads. I dont have the time and usually stick to the entertainment section.
The issue is even the entertainment sections sometimes have political stuff in them for no reason.

Threads often get derailed by this stuff.

[The Deadman]

The issue is even the entertainment sections sometimes have political stuff in them for no reason.

Threads often get derailed by this stuff.

Because politics have been driving entertainment for the last few years. It's sad to see.

[Andrew NDB]

And so our newcomer (who is totally not a reincarnation of the some loser from the past, no sir), shows his true intentions.
The mask had fallen and our "totally not SJW guy, I swear" ended up being just another of his kin, who want total control over everything.

Guess, some of the SJWs are adamant to turn this place into their personal hugbox, huh? Or they can't tolerate idea that people somewhere DISAGREE with them.
Pathetic, either way.

While suspicious of course, I gave him the benefit of the doubt of being a fresh-faced, new user just looking to talk Turtles (though he still seemed keen to gently prod, let's call them, "certain individuals")... but yeah, the veil now has completely come off. Performance art. All of it.

[sdp]

If you clean up there'd be 3 users instead of 7. This place died when the new users just looked for groups in social media and regular users started jumping ship in the 2010s. By now the toxic users already drove away most people that stuck around because of habit. Any new people that might've joined because of the new movie got alienated and didn't stick. There's no saving this place. Forums were already an archaic dead format of interaction, turning every thread political here only accelerated the process of killing this place. It's already dead only the same user echo chamber for the most part. Real TMNT and fandom discussions are happening on reddit/discord etc, not here.

[TigerClaw]

Most of the TMNT fandom is far beyond this forum, Many are found on social media, Reddit and even Discord.

[Sumac]

Performance art.
More like a "performance fart". This guy didn't even bother to pretend for a long time. The only question I have "why?". But, well, there is no way to understand what happens in skulls of some people.

[TurtleManiac]

How is this current events? Did someone really make a thread about how the Ninja Turtles forum hurt their feelings? :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

"But why does it bother you so much? Tell me why?"

gtfoh!

[IndigoErth]

Forums were already an archaic dead format of interaction
Most of the TMNT fandom is far beyond this forum, Many are found on social media, Reddit and even Discord.

Which I hate, because much of those are far more catered to very casual 'fans' of something with the knowledge and attention span of a flea, and the kind of discussion that forums used to be good for is practically dead. (Though I don't fault newbies who just haven't learned a lot yet, but are interested beyond one iteration that brought them in and are eagerly catching up.) The Reddit sub has become one I commonly browse, but it's hard to have discussions with many rather clueless users or who are now used to making short comments and nothing further. Or are newbie teens intent on turning TMNT into Gen Z BS against canon and the history of the characters and can't deal with disagreement because they seem to forget that they aren't the only people online.

Social media has really molded people to the habit of making a simple comment (be it thoughtful, helpful, funny, or bitchy) then move on, rather than having deeper discussion (where applicable), or none at all. Too sad really. I guess thinking is too hard now. Discussing the nuances of something, even just for the fun of it, seems to be gone and miss it.

[neatoman]

What was he banned for? Probably not for making this thread, considering it is still up.

[Leo656]

Because he's been banned 5 f*cking times in 10 years and keeps trying to come back. It's f*cking Davetello, you all know him. Why anyone likes goddamn Ninja Turtles enough to want to keep coming back to a place that's repeatedly Banned you, I have no idea. That's his business. He does this at least once a year and they always find out.

I usually don't give a sh*t what he does, but since you idiots think he's me for some reason, I'm very angry at him for this.

[Jester]

He was banned for openly admitting that he a duplicate account for a banned user. And for the record it's not Leo because Leo's account is active and he can post from that one if he wants to.

[Andrew NDB]

It's not Aquaparade?

[Leo656]

Just Dave. I'm not inclined to cover for him since his alt was Banned and this experiment of his has caused me a hassle for no reason.

He told me in a recent email that he was basically going to try and reach out to people more and I guess this was his way of doing that. If he had said this was what he meant, I'd have discouraged it. I always do. He's been wanting back in ever since he got Banned for that fight with plastroncafe, and I always tell him not to bother but I am not my brother's keeper.

Hopefully this is the end of it. Rest assured I'll be speaking with him about this as soon as I have time, because he really should have known better.

[Leo656]

I'll consider it.

Three people here have my email and one of them just caused me a huge bunch of hassle. I am strongly considering a full Block of anyone who retains active membership on this forum.

Maybe you'll get lucky sooner or later. But I am not in a giving vein this day.

[Bahamut810]

He was banned for openly admitting that he a duplicate account for a banned user. And for the record it's not Leo because Leo's account is active and he can post from that one if he wants to.

Aw, sad. I had a nice conversation with him about manga last night. I could even forgive him for being Welsh.

[shihe]

Same. He seemed level headed to me. Similar even.

Tbh I came back to the forums cause I got tired of Twitter+Discord interactions. There's only so much unpleasant fanart of my favorite characters with a "flag" in the background (iykwim) I could take.

On the other hand, Facebook tmnt fans believe 1987 was were TMNT peaked (even though I loved this version), they're extremely narrow minded, so they're no good either.

So I recalled the forums. Had a great time in the past. I hoped it somehow stayed a sanctuary from this political war.

Seems like it hasn't, but at least, I won't have to put up with crap like Leo and Usagi ships fanart spam.

[CyberCubed]

Coola may have left the forums for good because of this lol

[MikeandRaph87]

Same. He seemed level headed to me. Similar even.

Tbh I came back to the forums cause I got tired of Twitter+Discord interactions. There's only so much unpleasant fanart of my favorite characters with a "flag" in the background (iykwim) I could take.

On the other hand, Facebook tmnt fans believe 1987 was were TMNT peaked (even though I loved this version), they're extremely narrow minded, so they're no good either.

So I recalled the forums. Had a great time in the past. I hoped it somehow stayed a sanctuary from this political war.

Seems like it hasn't, but at least, I won't have to put up with crap like Leo and Usagi ships fanart spam.

The Discord for this place is like 10 people maximum and almost no discussion. Only Winters Eastern Asia TMNT merchandise and gifs. I would go there but there is little point. I grew frustrated with Campbell’s run and I feel like Mirage fan boys towards the 1987 cartoon I love as it seems to be strangled by wakened and Gen Z teenage crap and nothing else. Not much for me aside from Saturday Morning Adventures and The Forever War. Peaking at Facebook people or Reddit I thought they were buying into that stuff. I liked Discord so I could blow off steam on Campbell who ruined my former favorite comic. This is it. We need to open the gates and see diverse eras and appreciation not hard-core leaning just one way and arguing without compromise likebwe are politicians.

[Andrew NDB]

Coola may have left the forums for good because of this lol

Which is to say, sadly, "over nothing."

[Aaronardo]

Coola may have left the forums for good because of this lol

This is the most insane thing about it to me. Permabanned members ban evading years after the fact and then openly admitting to it? That's just Tuesday around here for some reason. But Coola's gone? Wild.

Sounds like he's been considering it for awhile though. It's hard to discuss TMNT when 99% of all new content is the worst sh*t ever. That leaves Current Events, which is a hellhole. Both areas of the site have the same problem that it's mainly the same few members talking at each other about the same garbage over and over. Idk how you guys do it, you have more patience than I. I only check here anymore to lurk for crazy entertaining sh*t like this. They just don't make Internets like this anymore.

Could this be fixed if new members didn't have to wait several months to get their accounts activated by admins that swing by once every year or so? I assume spam/ban evasion is why this rule was implemented but it seems to me it doesn't discourage either very much. Maybe forums as a medium are just obsolete, but I frequent other niche forums and they're not as dead as this. But that may be a topic for another thread.

[Sumac]

This is the most insane thing about it to me. Permabanned members ban evading years after the fact and then openly admitting to it? That's just Tuesday around here for some reason. But Coola's gone? Wild.

Sounds like he's been considering it for awhile though. It's hard to discuss TMNT when 99% of all new content is the worst sh*t ever. That leaves Current Events, which is a hellhole. Both areas of the site have the same problem that it's mainly the same few members talking at each other about the same garbage over and over. Idk how you guys do it, you have more patience than I. I only check here anymore to lurk for crazy entertaining sh*t like this. They just don't make Internets like this anymore.

Could this be fixed if new members didn't have to wait several months to get their accounts activated by admins that swing by once every year or so? I assume spam/ban evasion is why this rule was implemented but it seems to me it doesn't discourage either very much. Maybe forums as a medium are just obsolete, but I frequent other niche forums and they're not as dead as this. But that may be a topic for another thread.
There are some exceptions, when it comes to forums, which are still alive and kicking, but by far and large Forums are dead, sadly. Maybe someday they will return, but unlikely. I don't see people giving up Reddit and Discord (even though I find both platforms extremely clunky and unwieldy to me).

[The Deadman]

There are some exceptions, when it comes to forums, which are still alive and kicking, but by far and large Forums are dead, sadly. Maybe someday they will return, but unlikely. I don't see people giving up Reddit and Discord (even though I find both platforms extremely clunky and unwieldy to me).

This isnt exactly true as Im on a few other large forums that are incredibly active. The problem here though, before all the political bullsh*t that came about, was that a lot of people were hypocritical of anything TMNT related for a good bit, whether it be the Bay turtles, or the Nick cartoons, and if you liked any of it you were criticized for it. People who wanted to come here talking Turtles were turned off by that. Everything else was just icing on the cake.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'll consider it.

Three people here have my email and one of them just caused me a huge bunch of hassle. I am strongly considering a full Block of anyone who retains active membership on this forum.

Maybe you'll get lucky sooner or later. But I am not in a giving vein this day.

Really missed having you here, Leo.

[Sumac]

This isnt exactly true as Im on a few other large forums that are incredibly active. The problem here though, before all the political bullsh*t that came about, was that a lot of people were hypocritical of anything TMNT related for a good bit, whether it be the Bay turtles, or the Nick cartoons, and if you liked any of it you were criticized for it. People who wanted to come here talking Turtles were turned off by that. Everything else was just icing on the cake.
Even, if it was the case, I'd say the problem was with those users - if you come into a public space and someone doesn't like your opinion - stomach it and don't pretend to be offended.

I am fairly sure a some of my ideas about TMNT won't find a lot of support here from oldies, but it doesn't discourage me from posting here. Its just one of the facets of being here, after all.

People has become too fragile and snowflakey - they expect that everyone will support them and their opinions out of "compassion"? IDK.

[The Deadman]

Really missed having you here, Leo.

You're probably the only one lol. Nobody misses a dude who belittled others with every post and then wished they were all dead.

[Sumac]

You're probably the only one lol. Nobody misses a dude who belittled others with every post and then wished they were all dead.
Yup.
Especially giving his last few posts.
Guy burns bridges better than a drunk SJW on Twitter.

[sdp]

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[Vegita-San]

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the Political topics are the only thing keeping this place afloat.

what's bringing people back?

Same old re issues done 20 times?

A franchise that refuses to move past fred wolf, and evolve in a natural way like 2k3?

A franchise owner that doesn't understand what it bought, and 2k12 will likely be the last 'good' thing we'll ever get?

Same fandom topics brought up again, ad nauseum?

This is one of the few places (after chasing a few mods away that wouldn't let free speech reign) where you CAN talk common sense...like X (Formerly twitter), and that's valuable too alot of sane folks in a world of insanity.

[IMJ]

the Political topics are the only thing keeping this place afloat.

what's bringing people back?

Same old re issues done 20 times?

A franchise that refuses to move past fred wolf, and evolve in a natural way like 2k3?

A franchise owner that doesn't understand what it bought, and 2k12 will likely be the last 'good' thing we'll ever get?

Same fandom topics brought up again, ad nauseum?

This is one of the few places (after chasing a few mods away that wouldn't let free speech reign) where you CAN talk common sense...like X (Formerly twitter), and that's valuable too alot of sane folks in a world of insanity.

YYYYup. Typical topic of the Drome, otherwise:

"Do you think that Shredder ever poked himself with his armor? Maybe?"
or even better
"What food do you eat that might be noodles but is actually fish instead? Maybe?"

And to your other points - well said. Oh God, don't get me started - leftist life-angry clowns who, when met with any resistance, rely on calling people "extreme right" or "racists". :roll: And SDP, I don't know why you post here at all to be completely honest. You cheerled that you left and how all of the "good users" were driven off to Discord with you. -shrugs- Go with them, bro. It's cool, we understand.

[member_removed]

You're probably the only one lol. Nobody misses a dude who belittled others with every post and then wished they were all dead.

Well, I miss Leo's presence as well. I think he gave thought provoking well written responses.

I think he always presented his arguments well and backed up his thoughts.

[Andrew NDB]

the Political topics are the only thing keeping this place afloat.

what's bringing people back?

Same old re issues done 20 times?

A franchise that refuses to move past fred wolf, and evolve in a natural way like 2k3?

A franchise owner that doesn't understand what it bought, and 2k12 will likely be the last 'good' thing we'll ever get?

Same fandom topics brought up again, ad nauseum?

This is one of the few places (after chasing a few mods away that wouldn't let free speech reign) where you CAN talk common sense...like X (Formerly twitter), and that's valuable too alot of sane folks in a world of insanity.

There is always the off-chance there is a brand new TMNT iteration that commands a lot of discussion and excitement. Though if it turns out said new TMNT iteration has one of the Turtles coming out and the citizens of NYC in it demanding to defund the police or something... guess what they will have unfortunately made us talk about?

For me, here's an example. TMNT x Stranger Things, the recent miniseries, #1-4. I was actually really stoked about this and it DELIVERED, and it was an official, brand new TMNT book that is totally politics free. And people don't want to talk about it here. I made a thread for #3 and nobody said sh**. I don't think a thread even exists for #4, the conclusion. So idk, man. We're all trying here in our own ways, I think.

[IndigoErth]

Let's be honest, it's hardly anything new that political or social messages and/or commentary show up in cartoons, etc. and, for example, the already old Bugs Bunny episodes we watched as kids had plenty of it. Heck, he even dressed as a woman occasionally and no one batted an eye. And not even as a "emasculating" joke, but as an opposite gender stereotype trying to trick another character via seduction. :teek: Would people crap their pants if that was in a modern cartoon?

Less controversial, the TMNT of course had the occasional environmental and anti-drug messages back in the day, too, so it's hardly new to them to do anything we now tend to lump together as being "political." We probably can't hope too much to see new series, comics, etc really remain free of it, but I'd hope that maybe it could just be passing things, that are easy to agree with or roll eyes at and move past it, rather than need to spotlight it. If people choose to be oversensitive about a passing thing in it that they don't agree with 100% of "political" things with a particular writer... well that's an optional hill to die on, I guess.

[Vegita-San]

There is always the off-chance there is a brand new TMNT iteration that commands a lot of discussion and excitement. Though if it turns out said new TMNT iteration has one of the Turtles coming out and the citizens of NYC in it demanding to defund the police or something... guess what they will have unfortunately made us talk about?

For me, here's an example. TMNT x Stranger Things, the recent miniseries, #1-4. I was actually really stoked about this and it DELIVERED, and it was an official, brand new TMNT book that is totally politics free. And people don't want to talk about it here. I made a thread for #3 and nobody said sh**. I don't think a thread even exists for #4, the conclusion. So idk, man. We're all trying here in our own ways, I think.

Bingo.

Also, having checked out of everything turtles since the trash that was 'rise'...I had no idea this even existed.

[Vegita-San]

Let's be honest, it's hardly anything new that political or social messages and/or commentary show up in cartoons, etc. and, for example, the already old Bugs Bunny episodes we watched as kids had plenty of it. Heck, he even dressed as a woman occasionally and no one batted an eye. And not even as a "emasculating" joke, but as an opposite gender stereotype trying to trick another character via seduction. :teek: Would people crap their pants if that was in a modern cartoon?


because, back then, it was done for LAUGHS. and even then, I never found that kind of stuff funny, more creepy. THESE days, it wouldn't be allowed to be done for laughs. Lola would be erased, and Bugs would become the new Lola....and spouting all kind of nonsense...while LEGITEMATLY trying to get in bed with Fudd.

THAT is the difference.

and i'm shocked this even needs to be pointed out these days.

[Sumac]

Let's be honest, it's hardly anything new that political or social messages and/or commentary show up in cartoons, etc. and, for example, the already old Bugs Bunny episodes we watched as kids had plenty of it. Heck, he even dressed as a woman occasionally and no one batted an eye. And not even as a "emasculating" joke, but as an opposite gender stereotype trying to trick another character via seduction. :teek: Would people crap their pants if that was in a modern cartoon?
Because, it was played for laughs and no-one in their right mind would have said: "Bug Bunny is non-binary character and the fact that he occasionally dresses as a woman, means that he is non-binary character and possibly trans", which somehow means that in real life men can be women.

Less controversial, the TMNT of course had the occasional environmental and anti-drug messages back in the day, too, so it's hardly new to them to do anything we now tend to lump together as being "political." We probably can't hope too much to see new series, comics, etc really remain free of it, but I'd hope that maybe it could just be passing things, that are easy to agree with or roll eyes at and move past it, rather than need to spotlight it. If people choose to be oversensitive about a passing thing in it that they don't agree with 100% of "political" things with a particular writer... well that's an optional hill to die on, I guess.
Its hard to not to notice or not to react, when political message dominates the narrative as in is the case with IDW series or with some changes in Rise and Mutant Mayhem.

Not to mention it is not a passing fad, but happens systematically for the last decade throughout the media and already killed or mutilated quite a lot of old franchises.

If you want people to pretend to be oblivious or blind, well, it speaks more about your position in life, rather than others.

[ssjup81]

Coola may have left the forums for good because of this lolCoola left? Really? I know I lurk here every once in a while when I'm not busy with stuff, but dang! He didn't even mention that to me and we talk every now and then. Guess he forgot to mention it. It would be weird hopping onto the forum and not seeing his smart allecky posts.

[NeonTurtledude]

This site can sometimes have more negativity than positivity sometimes,

aswell as stupid drama, I don't get why things get so heated on here

I understand the disagreements, but there has been a lot of overreactions on here, you can criticize people without bringing personal attacks into it

I'm fine with people disagreeing with others on here, the issue is when some users just send personal attacks for no reason or when there ends up being more negative off topic posts than TMNT posts (tbf, the series hasn't done much recently beyond the comics,collabs and mutant mayhem)

and tbf while forums are more handy for discussion than Reddit, they are still seen as a relic of the internet, so spaces like these aren't as active as they would've been in the early 2000s

to be honest I don't really bring up my political opinions on here much, I know that a lot of it would be seen as "SJW stuff"and I try to avoid arguments on here.

However, there are much worse places on the internet, and I do still occasionally enjoy posting here or joining in discussion, university and other things just got me busy for a few years so I didn't post as often.

[IMJ]

This site can sometimes have more negativity than positivity sometimes,

aswell as stupid drama, I don't get why things get so heated on here

I understand the disagreements, but there has been a lot of overreactions on here, you can criticize people without bringing personal attacks into it

I'm fine with people disagreeing with others on here, the issue is when some users just send personal attacks for no reason or when there ends up being more negative off topic posts than TMNT posts (tbf, the series hasn't done much recently beyond the comics,collabs and mutant mayhem)

and tbf while forums are more handy for discussion than Reddit, they are still seen as a relic of the internet, so spaces like these aren't as active as they would've been in the early 2000s

to be honest I don't really bring up my political opinions on here much, I know that a lot of it would be seen as "SJW stuff"and I try to avoid arguments on here.

However, there are much worse places on the internet, and I do still occasionally enjoy posting here or joining in discussion, university and other things just got me busy for a few years so I didn't post as often.

You have to understand how awful and overran this place was by the extreme bottom-feeder of BLM-style, gaslighting, "just call them a 'racist" kind of leftist that was here a couple of years before your registration date as a poster.

The place was littered with the kind of liberal vitriol that was not only uninviting, but a complete echo-chamber of life-angry nonsense that several of us began pushing back on.

It's not that I disagree with anything you've said - I don't. But I'm just pointing out this simple math:

1 The previous leftist mindset that was pervasive here was not only negative and spewing anger at normalcy, but it wasn't rooted in reality. It was just "life anger" covered in whatever language of the moment could be used (i.e., the "racists" here).

2 The "negativity" you might see now is at least rooted in reality. The negativity isn't "weaponized" (i.e. calling people something they aren't as a power play) or born of fantasy (the "istaphobes are EVERYWHERE! DAMN THEM!"). It's born of realty - woke culture was the evolution of the times and agree with it or not it's a manifest thing that actually happened.

And so my point is only that the negativity that a lot of people perceive here is at least more guided than it used to be, and if anything it's born of reality and not a manufactured lashing out at the phantom evils of "normalcy".

Again, to be clear - I'm not taking up position against you by saying this. :roll: Bur rather, just illustrating the reality of the situation.

[NeonTurtledude]

You have to understand how awful and overran this place was by the extreme bottom-feeder of BLM-style, gaslighting, "just call them a 'racist" kind of leftist that was here a couple of years before your registration date as a poster.

The place was littered with the kind of liberal vitriol that was not only uninviting, but a complete echo-chamber of life-angry nonsense that several of us began pushing back on.

It's not that I disagree with anything you've said - I don't. But I'm just pointing out this simple math:

1 The previous leftist mindset that was pervasive here was not only negative and spewing anger at normalcy, but it wasn't rooted in reality. It was just "life anger" covered in whatever language of the moment could be used (i.e., the "racists" here).

2 The "negativity" you might see now is at least rooted in reality. The negativity isn't "weaponized" (i.e. calling people something they aren't as a power play) or born of fantasy (the "istaphobes are EVERYWHERE! DAMN THEM!"). It's born of realty - woke culture was the evolution of the times and agree with it or not it's a manifest thing that actually happened.

And so my point is only that the negativity that a lot of people perceive here is at least more guided than it used to be, and if anything it's born of reality and not a manufactured lashing out at the phantom evils of "normalcy".

Again, to be clear - I'm not taking up position against you by saying this. :roll: Bur rather, just illustrating the reality of the situation.


I get it, the drome was probably more chaotic before I arrived and while I'm a "leftist" I recognize that a lot of modern leftist discussion can lack nuance, I've noticed even some of my other leftist friends can see it, especially on twitter.

then I suppose, there should just be more "guided" balance of the positivity and negativity, where discussions can be had without resorting to personal insults and drama (I was mentioning the donatello thing when talking about that, although I just learned about that today)