Saddam: Captured

[That Matt Guy]

If you haven't heard, they finally found him and he's alive too.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam

[Barkworm]

I guess that increases Bush's chances to get re-elected...
Anyway, it's a good thing that they finally got that jerk. Who knows what he was planning.

[That Matt Guy]

I guess that increases Bush's chances to get re-elected...

Yeah, I'm sure of it. :|

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[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Well, it's about time. Thirteen years after U.S. forces should have brought him down, they finally did the deed.

Nothing like being fashionably late. :P

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him," U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said at a news conference in Baghdad. "The tyrant is a prisoner."

[Bowser_Koopa]

what are they gonna do to him? torture him 'till he kills himself? or just kill him?

[That Matt Guy]

He'll probably end up before an international war crimes tribunal ala Nuremburg, get convicted, and be sentenced to death.

[GK Punk]

He'll probably end up before an international war crimes tribunal ala Nuremburg, get convicted, and be sentenced to death.

Yeah, that's What I think is going to happen. I haven't heard much about it (I was watching CNN a few minutes ago, but I wasn't able to catch the what will happen to him discussion) But as far as I know, He'll be tried for his crimes against the Iraqi people.

But I guess it's a great day for the Iraqi people. No longer having to worry about following Saddam's lead, they have a chance of a great future.

[Aaron]

This is great news! I heard about this an hour or so ago.

[raphael90]

Just heard the news....wow. :o

Yeah, I don't wanna be in his shoes when trial time comes around... :dead:

[coryroo24]

I wonder who will get the reward for finding him. I heard like 400 soldiers were on the mission when they found him.

[E-money]

Saddam will be held in trial for War Crimes and Genocide. He wont be tortured, just heavily interogated, also, no one will recive the reward. Latest news....

-Errol

[Ryan]

When one Bush failed, another triumped! I can see it now... I am in disgust. It is a common trait to go to war right around reelection time, and it gross. Regardless of the fact that Sadaam was "caputured", I will not vote for Bush.

Ryan

[Silver Turtle]

Just caught the news, too. Plus a friend of mine on AIM comes up saying in capital letters WE GOT SADDAM!. Interesting enough we were just talking about him in CCD class today.

[Brodie]

They had said that Iraq wanted to hold him in trial, but the US wanted to hold him in their trial, or something. But if he ends up in Iraq on trial, he's liable to scare those people back into voting not guilty or some ****, and getting him back into power and the end result would be the bombing of the US. But that's just a thought.

[ZariusTwo]

I might hate Bush and his way of running America into the ground, but I supported the war in Iraq, it was great watching 'em blow away the empire of this sickening madman.

You got yours Saddam, Desert Strike games have become a reality, now we're going after Bin Laden.

Sadly, this little capture has almost GURANTEED that Bush will win the next election.

[Anarky]

i always expected the US Forces to capture Saddam right before the elections are held.

well anyway there's still Osama Bin Laden...

[Machias Banshee]

Wow....talk about history in the making.


This talk about Bush only doing this to get re-elected disgusts me. You think the troops just said, "Okay, we found him, but we got a YEAR until the re-election. Who wants to play cards?" Hell no! They want to get the job done!
What bush has done will saved thousands of lives that would have died under Saddam's rule. Go and read sometime what this man has done. I'm sure you would just love to be thrown into a vat of acid and left to die. :evil:
Yes, we have undergone many American casualties, but now our armies and such will be able to come HOME. We will not have to worry about another Saddam Hussein war, the threats of bilogical warfare with Iraq is pretty much dead...

If this war Was in fact a thing to get re-elected (which it wasnt), he took one hell of a risk. What if we hadnt caught Anyone? what if Saddam hadnt been pulled from power? What if the US and all these other countries gotten more adamant in their disagreements and started an attack towards us?
Worst case scenario. Bush could have Started World War Three. Bush would NOT want that. No one would. This talk about him Wanting to start a war just because of votes is reviling.


Give our president some credit. He did what his father and the oh so glorious Clinton could not. Sp please, quit bashing our president...

*remember those who died in Desert Storm. The first and second Gulf Wars. This is why we fight. We have done them a great duty. They did not die in Vain*

[Anarky]

I didn'z say that the War itself was his election-propaganda. i said that the not-caüturing of the "king-terrorists" was propaganda. i mean tapes of Osama Bin Laden just don't lie around in some random houses, and a defenseless terrorist in a occupied country simply cannot dissappear without any trace.

The war was because of the oil in Iraq and nothing else. and Bush wasn't the one who pulled the strings, there are men behind them who are waay more important than Bush.

I expect George W. to get Osama Bin Laden around May or so.

[Reznorite420]

Go and read sometime what this man has done.You know those gag books you find in the bookstore entitled "Sex After 50", or whatever, and they're full of nothing but blank pages? After reading what you just said right there, I thought of another one to put into that series: "A Complete List Of Things George W. Has Done For the U.S. That WEREN'T For the Sole Purpose of Boosting his Super-Bloated Ego and Also in the Interest of More Than Just Power-Hungry Conervatives Like Himself Who Think the Only Right Way is the American Way". Sheesh...

For the sake of every other mind-in-the-stone-age Bush worshipper on here, I'll stop the flaming, but only because I don't see how it will have an effect since every conservative I've ever known is a complete and utter bigot.

[ZariusTwo]

Worst case scenario. Bush could have Started World War Three. Bush would NOT want that.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, wait until he's re-elected, he'll start it one way or another.

I won't continue with bashing blind Pro-Bush activists, they will regain their eyesight one day, when a REAL President is elected, not one simply due to election sabatauge to further pro-war dictator scum like Bush.

Give our president some credit.

LOL

That's rich, REALLY rich, credit for killing a lot of people? Pfft, where is the humanitarian merit in that?

[Anarky]

you could as well give saddam some credit. would almost be the same thing...

[ZariusTwo]

Saddam was the villian, America's supposed to be the good guys, find a way other than guns, I knew that would'nt hapopen, and I hated Saddam more than Bush.

I might support the war, but I sure as heck never liked that Bush resorted to butchery

[Anarky]

well Saddam had to go, but not under these circumstances.

[Silver Turtle]

Right now there talking about on tv how we went into Iraq for no apparant reason. Personally I agree with that.

[Anarky]

there were a gazillion reasons but they were all fake.

"Saddam's got bio-weapons" then the UN went in and looked for those weapons, and didn't find anything. Even when the US claimed that they had proof of a mobile Bio weapon-lab (of course, why not making it a spacecraft?)

then
"Saddam's got an A-Bomb" well the UN didn't look for an A-Bomb, they looked for Bio-Weapons. Somebody said those UN-Guys should check the US but everybody laughed at him/them.

then
"Free the Iraqi population" That would be nice, but everyone who believed that was IMO a complete idiot.

[Brodie]

Go and read sometime what this man has done.


Or you could rent some Three Stooges Tapes.

Face it, the guy isn't to bright. It may or may not be true that he waved to Stevie Wonder, but still, he's a few fries short of a King size.

Yeah, it's great that he got Saddam, but still, don't you think it's a bit convinient?

I'm not here to ostrisize the guy, but it seems odd...

[PizzaPower]

well in my ipion. I am very happy that is is capered. But I don't think the "Bad " Poeple are going to stop now that he is captured.

[Machias Banshee]

Go and read sometime what this man has done.You know those gag books you find in the bookstore entitled "Sex After 50", or whatever, and they're full of nothing but blank pages? After reading what you just said right there, I thought of another one to put into that series: "A Complete List Of Things George W. Has Done For the U.S. That WEREN'T For the Sole Purpose of Boosting his Super-Bloated Ego and Also in the Interest of More Than Just Power-Hungry Conervatives Like Himself Who Think the Only Right Way is the American Way". Sheesh...

For the sake of every other mind-in-the-stone-age Bush worshipper on here, I'll stop the flaming, but only because I don't see how it will have an effect since every conservative I've ever known is a complete and utter bigot.

That is extremely insulting. You're only resorting to stereotypical bull. I am no Liberal, Conservative, Nor Democrat or Republican. The only thing I am doing is trying to get past all the ridiculous assumptions.


This thread is becoming rather pointless. We've gone from talking about the capture of an insane dictator, and now its only become a soapbox for people to accuse Bush of being the same as Saddam.


YOu go and tell that to the people who no longer have to fear being a statistic of Saddamn's genocides.

[cqb101]

Go and read sometime what this man has done.


Or you could rent some Three Stooges Tapes.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

For the record, I'm glad Saddam is captured, but I am totally against the war in Iraq, and Bush in general. The way I see it, Bush was just trying to finish what his father started in Iraq.

[J Legault]

I heard, and I was right that one day Usama will be found and Saddam's legacy will come to an end. i'm glad that one of the most wanted men are found.

I picture this will be one of the biggiest events of 2003.

And picture myself talking about that day 30 years from now to the sibblings that would like to know the full story.

I have nothing against Bush, I was rooting for him back in 2000.

It's either him for president or Al gore. But someone has to run for office.

and again glad to see some brighter things.

[ZariusTwo]

That is extremely insulting.

Yes, Bush IS extremly insulting to America.

You're only resorting to stereotypical bull.

And you're resorting to blind faifth in a President who can't spell "great" without watching Sesame Street first.

I am no Liberal, Conservative, Nor Democrat or Republican. The only thing I am doing is trying to get past all the ridiculous assumptions.

And kiss the President's ass repetivly?

This thread is becoming rather pointless. We've gone from talking about the capture of an insane dictator, and now its only become a soapbox for people to accuse Bush of being the same as Saddam.

Which he is

YOu go and tell that to the people who no longer have to fear being a statistic of Saddamn's genocides.

Damn right, because those people can't see past their own ass-kissing of Bush to realise the real danger..

[Machias Banshee]

Okay, now youre just attacking ME now....

I kiss NO Ass, got it? I'm entitled to my opinion. If it isnt the same as yours, deal with it.

[Brodie]

I smell a rucus..... RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE! FLY LIKE A BUTTERFLY, STING LIKE A BEE!

[terran631]

Hi read or dont read...just my useless two cents and any or all comments about my parentage, my education or lack thereof, or general snottiness will be ignored because I'm just that kind of person. That being said..ahem.

Has Bush's presidency been stellar? Well...no of course not. We're in the middle of a war on several fronts and teetering on war on several others.
The economy has been in recession for most of his term. And I'm sure any political science majors out there could say several other things that have sucked about the last three years...

HOWEVER...
I am not some lalala..let peace prevail...ignore the bad guys and they ignore you..no fighting at all costs pacifist. I'm a martial artist. That kind of attitude does not fit my MO. SO...was war justified? Well..if the atrocities of the Bathe part regime are true than yeh. I mean how many people NOW say the world was wrong for letting Hitler try his version of genocide? I personally dont care about Bush's motives. I seriously doubt they were as altruistic as he claims. But Saddam isnt there anymore. The regime is gone. Victory.

As for the economy...I'm enough of a business person to know that the last three years COULD have been the result of the previous four. Recession usually takes time to build. DOesnt happen...BAM all at once. And well...9/11 didnt help either. Anyone thinking that what happened would not seriously affect our enconoy is living in fantasy world. Either that...or they're looking for someone to blame. The president is an easy target.
Thats it..off to RP now..

[Cascadia]

it is about time that we captured him. I was awaken this morning with a phone call from my mom to tell me that.

[Karpo_007]

Even though the motivations for the war certainly weren't helping Iraqi people, US army did end Saddam's tyranny. It's a good thing they captured Saddam, as long as he is convicted in an International court unlike the Al Qaeda people in Guantanamo.

Despite of what people think on Bush, blaming the war on him isn't right. There are lot's of powerfull people who have wanted to do that for a while now, it was just a matter of time.

[Stone Ill]

Off-Topic:
Rezornite, I thought you were leaving?


On-Topic:
I'm glad you guys captured Saddam. Just 1 more and we're home free! :P

[Voltron]

You do realize, that normally there is more than one reason for starting wars, and that one man's selfish gain could also go hand in hand with the benefit of the country he's been appointed to run?

I'm no Bush supporter, but I don't think he's pure evil. He's more like a diet soda, I guess...99% good free.

[One Radical Dude]

WOO, PAR-TAY!!!!!!! :tpizza: :tpizza:

Believe me, if Gore were in office, this would never happen. I couldn't see the nine bozos (trying to oust Bush next year) do the same thing...they're all weak on military. Big thanks to the coalition.

[Tokka-B]

Really a big story about nothing though. It's a nice short term grab, but may actually cause more problems in the long run. Esp. since him being alive will create many, many legal issues and our handling of it could bring even more problems with the world if we don't treat him well.

Doesn't really help the bigger issues, so I'm hoping we get over it and move on to the real issues. Must have been awesome for those Iraqis that found him though. Certainly a bit of a morale booster for the troops since this war hasn't been great for showing off our supposedly wonderful military. We finally, as a whole, showed that we are mildly competent at something...so it is a bit of a tongue-in-cheek pat on the back. LOL

Unfortunately it looks like Bush may have stole the next election also. :(

[Kali]

AHEM

Funny, I thought there was a rule against political bashing here. Oh wait, there is.

Discuss Saddam and the war if you must, but do NOT insult another poster. Even if you don't agree with them. You can disagree, but don't play your own opinions and interpretations as fact.

[Tokka-B]

Funny, you say that when I DIDN'T POLITICALLY BASH ANYONE!

[One Radical Dude]

Was your name mentioned at all, Tokka?

[The Defibrillator]

Machi: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I agree with all your thoughts.

Back on topic: I don't understand you Bush-haters. You say he "started" the war to finish what his dad started? How can you even possibly think that he's that stupid. I am a full Bush supporter, but if I wasn't, I wouldn't blame his "war-starting" on finishing his dads job. That's so lame.... No one is that stupid. Especially someone who made it to presidential office. No one could make it to the White House without at least SOME brains.....And he has a lot more than a lot of people too.

About Saddam....Just kill the dang fool.

I know you liberals are always ranting about "human rights" and such.....but where do you draw the line? He didn't give the THOUSANDS of people he killed basic human rights.

My personal opinion is, whoever found him, should have "accidentally" killed him. Ya know, dropped a grenade into his little spider hole or something. Now we have to waste our money keeping him alive and taking him to court for his war crimes when we probably could have done away with him anyways. I don't think we should torture Saddam, but he DEFINITELY deserves to die.

[ZariusTwo]

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.

[One Radical Dude]

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.

That's harsh, man. I'm talking about you wanting Bush dead (Saddam, on the other hand, should be beaten to death). Why should Bush die, in your opinion?

Would you rather have another Bill Clinton, who did nothing but let bin Laden go..and did nothing but spent his time with Monica and the other interns? Yeah, we need someone like him. :roll:

[MW8979]

Saddam Hussein is captured - that is good news. I mean, after all, he was a dictator and so he probably doesn't deserve to govern all those people, especially after killing so many of them. Fair enough....

But now, how about we focus on the actual Iraqi people instead of the American government's vanity. Are they better off? Marginally. Despite what the CNN tells you, they're not all happy and overjoyed. The media greatly skews what's really happening - it's called spin doctoring. In reality these same "liberating" troops are now busy arresting, killing and interrgating a whole lot of native civilians, all based on suspicions of "being a nationalist rebel". Hardly sounds like hero stuff, does it? Despair and anger is what these troops helped bring to Iraq so far, opressing the local population, just to a lesser degree. But when you listen to CNN, it really does seem strange that out of nowhere, all these resistnace groups just keep spawning, apparently out to get these "benevolent and ever so kind" Americans. Take some time to analyze that one.

Furthermore, US troops should have never been in that country in the first place. Why? Because it's none of their business what goes on there. Nobody made that country the "world police" and they shouldn't try to assume that role. Such "benevolent", but forceful policing is and will lead to more conflicts with other developed nations. But then, why did all those soldiers go there and why did some die there? Very simple: to finish what Bush senior had started, for one. And two, to obtain all the oil resources of that country. And although Bush is certainly to blame for this, his republican funding friends are infinately more guilty. All they can see is the pile of money, and they don't care about people or wars. Truly a terrible mentality. And so they play lil' ol' Bush like the good puppet he is and like the good ventriliquists they are. Bush family profits too, of course (they own a big oil company in case you didn't know).

On top of this, these greedy people are now excluding other countries from building in Iraq. Officially, this is because of "not helping out". But in reality, they just want to keep all the money in the country, to themselves, so no foreign capital can profit from this. Again, unstoppable greed, and complete media compliance. And media is quite their slave too - why else do you think Bush's previous drug usage was so quickly hushed down and never came up again? I don't know.....could be a big fat paycheck....but I don't know....

And if you think that America is so friendly and loves to help out poor nations even when there are no financial interests, take a look at Liberia. That country was in turmoil this year, very poor economy and founded by the US may I add. Instead of helping these people, what do we see on the news? "USA pulls its troops out and leaves the situation to escalate". Suddenly, there was no dire urge to help those people and set up a good government there. But in Iraq, all kinds of "help" was offered. This is hypocrisy at its finest.

So as you see, America is doing all kinds of inappropriate things right now. They're not helping anyone, but themselves and this only serves to further the gap between them and their allies and to create more hatred and determination within their enemies.

[ZariusTwo]

That's harsh, man. I'm talking about you wanting Bush dead (Saddam, on the other hand, should be beaten to death). Why should Bush die, in your opinion?

What does it matter to pro-war activists?

You don't listien, you see nothing past what Bush had done for his own ends, it's the oil dude, not liberation, yes Saddam is an ass, but asses are never targeted until someone wants more power.

Would you rather have another Bill Clinton, who did nothing but let bin Laden go..and did nothing but spent his time with Monica and the other interns? Yeah, we need someone like him. :roll:

Yeah, we do, because being a horny dude is nothing compared to a massacre.

And clearly you're in the dark regarding Clinton's political acheivments

[Kali]

Funny, you say that when I DIDN'T POLITICALLY BASH ANYONE!
I didn't mention your name at all. In fact, I wrote that before I even saw your post.

[One Radical Dude]

Saddam Hussein is captured - that is good news. I mean, after all, he was a dictator and so he probably doesn't deserve to govern all those people, especially after killing so many of them. Fair enough....

But now, how about we focus on the actual Iraqi people instead of the American government's vanity. Are they better off? Marginally. Despite what the CNN tells you, they're not all happy and overjoyed. The media greatly skews what's really happening - it's called spin doctoring. In reality these same "liberating" troops are now busy arresting, killing and interrgating a whole lot of native civilians, all based on suspicions of "being a nationalist rebel". Hardly sounds like hero stuff, does it? Despair and anger is what these troops helped bring to Iraq so far, opressing the local population, just to a lesser degree. But when you listen to CNN, it really does seem strange that out of nowhere, all these resistnace groups just keep spawning, apparently out to get these "benevolent and ever so kind" Americans. Take some time to analyze that one.

Furthermore, US troops should have never been in that country in the first place. Why? Because it's none of their business what goes on there. Nobody made that country the "world police" and they shouldn't try to assume that role. Such "benevolent", but forceful policing is and will lead to more conflicts with other developed nations. But then, why did all those soldiers go there and why did some die there? Very simple: to finish what Bush senior had started, for one. And two, to obtain all the oil resources of that country. And although Bush is certainly to blame for this, his republican funding friends are infinately more guilty. All they can see is the pile of money, and they don't care about people or wars. Truly a terrible mentality. And so they play lil' ol' Bush like the good puppet he is and like the good ventriliquists they are. Bush family profits too, of course (they own a big oil company in case you didn't know).

On top of this, these greedy people are now excluding other countries from building in Iraq. Officially, this is because of "not helping out". But in reality, they just want to keep all the money in the country, to themselves, so no foreign capital can profit from this. Again, unstoppable greed, and complete media compliance. And media is quite their slave too - why else do you think Bush's previous drug usage was so quickly hushed down and never came up again? I don't know.....could be a big fat paycheck....but I don't know....

And if you think that America is so friendly and loves to help out poor nations even when there are no financial interests, take a look at Liberia. That country was in turmoil this year, very poor economy and founded by the US may I add. Instead of helping these people, what do we see on the news? "USA pulls its troops out and leaves the situation to escalate". Suddenly, there was no dire urge to help those people and set up a good government there. But in Iraq, all kinds of "help" was offered. This is hypocrisy at its finest.

So as you see, America is doing all kinds of inappropriate things right now. They're not helping anyone, but themselves and this only serves to further the gap between them and their allies and to create more hatred and determination within their enemies.

I'm sorry, but the mainstream media is making us look like we're villains (in many cases, they do a good job brainwashing some people). It is true that not everyone is happy in Iraq, but the majority DO feel that they're better off without Saddam and are glad to see him gone. Do the soldiers need to leave? No!! N-O...NO!!! There is still a lot of work that needs to be done. Too many liberals think we're spending too much time in Iraq. Well, history shows that forces spent much more time in Europe after the end of WWII.

As for resistant groups, I've read and heard from other sources that those forces are mostly groups from Iran and Syria, and not really Iraqis (that isn't to say that there are no Iraqis resisting the coalition).

Why do you keep bringing up "Bush profiting for oil"? Sheesh.

I support the president all the way, and I hope he beats one of the 9-10 bozos running against him next year.

[ZariusTwo]

I support the president all the way, and I hope he beats one of the 9-10 bozos running against him next year.

Oh yes, mature answers from "mature" Americans, lay down all those who can make this country far better for those within it and support someone who makes most want to burn the American flag.

I hate Political threads, in fact one message board bans all this kind of crap.

I'm out of this discussion

[One Radical Dude]

Oh yes, mature answers from "mature" Americans, lay down all those who can make this country far better for those within it and support someone who makes most want to burn the American flag.

I hate Political threads, in fact one message board bans all this kind of crap.

I'm out of this discussion

If you hate political threads, why did you participate in it? :lol: :P

[Anarky]

because the oil thing is true. he personally might not be interested in oil but the people behind him want that oil for themselves.

if i put that very simple "He who controls the oil controls the world" (I mean, cars, Cds, plastic...)

of course, every media is brainwashing ESPECIALLY the US-media. I never heard that much bull$#it in such short time. i have the advantage to see news from 5 different countries (Switzerland, Germany, France, England, USA) that i actually understand. The differences are HUGE.

Read Chomsky.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.
Why the hell should Bush Die???? Why dont you worry about your own country........

[One Radical Dude]

I'm not saying that oil was never part of the reason why this war was present, but I disagree with those that say that it is the ONLY reason.

I'm not surprised with the differences in the media coverage. I've heard about the Arab media (i.e. Al-Jazeera), and from what I heard, they really do a good job putting an Anti-American spin on the news.

[Anarky]

of course there were other reasons for that war (i.e. that every better US-Prez needs a war to be "cool"). but one of the most obvious ones was the oil thing. why weren't US-soldiers allowed to shoot enemy soldiers standing on oil-thingys (you know those pump-things they use, my english has just gone AWOL :D )

Thing is that i've been against Bush jr. since day 1. he won those elections because he cheated. (guess who's boss of florida? Jeb Bush! strange coincidence) then there were these liaisons with his father's friends.

IMO Bush shouldn't die neither should Saddam. They both should simply be "put aside". like give each of 'em a big house and a live long salary as long as they don't work.

I only wish i'd be able to understand Al-Jazeera. Do you? If no you can only believe that they have anti-american statements in there, because (and here's the twist) the US.Media told you so. See what i mean?

[That Matt Guy]

I knew this topic would get out of hand, and every damn person would come out of the woodwork to dump on Bush.

All of you foreigners make it your lifes job to f***ing insult him and every damn move he makes. He isn't a genius, and he isn't the greatest leader in history, but my god; don't try to hide that obvious fact that you just like to insult this country.

And btw, I don't like Bush either; but I don't give a damn what he does.

[Dane E5R]

Some of you guys are real class acts.. I've never seen such examples of idiocy on this board in my life.. Seriously, how could you guys just attack Machias like that? Did you read anything she said? Because after reading her post, any person with the slightest hint of common sense wouldn't even consider bashing what she'd said. ZariousTwo, who the hell are you to even speak, when you clearly know nothing about what's going on? And Rez, get out of here, really, I don't believe anyone wants you here. I don't see how you guys could take a topic about such a GREAT THING and totally MANGLE IT INTO SOME UGLY, TWISTED debate about this country. How dare any of you make us out to be the villains. How f*cking dare you. Jesus. Leo needs to get his ass back here ASAP and set you morons straight. Sorry, this may not have been one of the smartest posts I've ever written, but I don't give a damn. I'm too pissed to care.

E5R = Officially livid.

[Machias Banshee]

Okay..

After speaking with some of the other mods, it is agreed that some people cannot handle the maturity of such a topic, and thus is over with.


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