Trump Assassination attempt

[Bahamut810]

I guess someone is trying to make sure he wins?

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/13/assassination-attempt-florida-reacts-incident-donald-trump-rally/

[Andrew NDB]

#1, it's not even clear if it was even a gun being shot at all, #2, it's hardly clear that even if it was, someone was aiming at Trump.

[ResidentEvil7]

I'm currently watching on ABC 7 and it looks like the shooter managed to get Trump's right ear, because it's bleeding. Luckily, Trump is doing just fine and is being treated at a medical facility. I'm hearing right now that the shooter is dead according to ABC 7.

The Democrats have gone too far this time! I think the time has come to start treating and looking at the democrat voters like the full-of-hate evil scum they all are!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

They may be able to kill him, but the America-First movement shall fight on!

Make America Great Again!

[Andrew NDB]

I'm currently watching on ABC 7 and it looks like the shooter managed to get Trump's right ear, because it's bleeding. Luckily, Trump is doing just fine and is being treated at a medical facility. I'm hearing right now that the shooter is dead according to ABC 7.

It looks like when he went down he scratched up the side of his face a little in two spots. That's all. That'd be pretty "wowzers" if that was actually a bullet grazing him, but I don't think it was. Plus if it was, why would there be one grazing above another? Unless we're talking about TWO bullets grazing him.

*Edit: Damn. I'm looking at the video. The camera is on the wrong side of face so we can't see what's happening to the side with the scratches, but he DOES seem to react to pain right where the scratches are before he even goes down. Jesus. And nobody was hit by any of the bullets that narrowly missed him? Nobody noticed any bullets hitting a chair next to them?

https://i.ibb.co/yN37WRq/24860dce-4181-481b-8c2f-6ef000fd4d97.jpg

Daaamn... it's like a bullet streaked across his cheek to plow through his ear. And possibly a second bullet streaked by a little lower.

[Mayhem]

Bidens aim was terrible. Or whomever Stormy Daniels hired. Or it’s staged. Or it’s a disgruntled Trump ex-supporter.

All of these weirdly enough more likely to be than an angry anti-Trump ordinary member of the public.

The only thing I’ll agree on is yes, something clipped the side of his face for him to react and be bleeding.

Reports indeed shooter is dead, and one rally attendee sadly.

[CyberCubed]

https://imagenes.elpais.com/resizer/v2/UEHFCG4AURFSNEGQO6DVR4RACY.jpg?auth=a1f00876f70e12 54b9eed7a79d98058f6451bec3b1d2607bd3ca4fa1a63be934&width=1200

There is your historic moment. Trump fist pumping even while being shot.

And whoever thinks this is stage is out of their minds, it literally shot off the top of his ear. If he was standing two inches to the left he would be dead.

[joe-eyeball]

Bidens aim was terrible. Or whomever Stormy Daniels hired. Or it’s staged. Or it’s a disgruntled Trump ex-supporter.

All of these weirdly enough more likely to be than an angry anti-Trump ordinary member of the public.

The only thing I’ll agree on is yes, something clipped the side of his face for him to react and be bleeding.

Reports indeed shooter is dead, and one rally attendee sadly.

Well you better hope it’s one of your theories that you very arrogantly and ridiculously claim is “more likely” than an actual angry lib because a possible assassination attempt can only help Trump and his re-election
chances.

And Biden’s aim is likely to be so bad that that boiled potato couldn’t hit water sitting down to pee!

[CyberCubed]

https://i.imgur.com/VFecu6r.jpeg

Here is the full uncut 2 minute video:

https://www.threads.net/@wsj/post/C9YbtIis2uY?xmt=AQGzPanTu4KdgAN1PXzp_84yY7NSZhrheX mHt6jEoviwgPc

He basically tells the secret service to wait so he can fist pump into the air and the crowd chants "U.S.A" "U.S.A" before being carried off.

I don't like Trump but him being killed would be a travesty. He doesn't need to become a martyr.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah those photos are going straight in the history books, they're also plastered everywhere online. From what I hear the shooter was standing outside the rally and was killed.

I guess the next Trump rally will be very interesting.

[Andrew NDB]

Let's wait and see what they reveal about the shooter. Place your bets!

[IndigoErth]

If someone was trying to ensure a diff Republican candidate they should have hired the old Florida guy who freaked out and shot the Walmart drone.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Let's wait and see what they reveal about the shooter. Place your bets!

Someone from within the Deep State or influenced by it, the latter is for certain.

[joe-eyeball]

Well this just might be the final straw for Joe? I mean if this was a straight up assassination attempt by a Trump hater it just cemented a Trump victory. The Dems are definitely gonna have to do better than a boiled potato!

[ResidentEvil7]

The sick vile devil democrats will do anything to keep power and to get Trump out of their way. They don't want to lead this country; they want to rule over us and Trump is in their way.

TRUMP 2024! USA! USA! USA!

[Autbot_Benz]

The sick vile devil democrats will do anything to keep power and to get Trump out of their way. They don't want to lead this country; they want to rule over us and Trump is in their way.

TRUMP 2024! USA! USA! USA!



https://i.imgur.com/GuyO4Bj.gif

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, this tracks. Impeaching him didn't work, the first or second time. The Russia hoax didn't do anything. Lawfare doesn't seem to be doing what they hoped it would do. He's up in all the polls. He won the debate with Biden by a landslide and now the secret is out amongst even the furthest left that Biden is no longer sentient yet still won't step down. So what's left for them to try at this point? I guess this.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I hope Trump will be okay.

I think this event highlights two important points for him going forward:

1. You will always have enemies. So never hold back and always speak your mind, not held back by any political filter that would stigmatise radical and nationalist positions.

2. Make sure your administration is composed of loyalists who will serve you unconditionally. Not former Never-Trumpers and those very same personell who stabbed you in the back in 2016 and 2020.

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like someone in the audience WAS shot and killed, as well, and 2 more in critical condition! Shesus.

[Cowabung-Gal]

It was only a matter of time. I’m surprised he’s managed to live this long.

With how close the shot was, we almost had another JFK moment. :o

[IndigoErth]

Eh heh... "devil democrats" while the reprehensible republicans had literally no better options than human garbage? Okay.

I mean, even if Biden should have probably chosen retirement, few are ever going to challenge a sitting president of their own party, but the republicans had a chance to regroup and find someone good. Why should people trust what they're selling if all they could do was restock the same rotten apples.

I hope Trump will be okay.
He'll be fine, he has something to get attention for and probably couldn't be happier about that.

[ToTheNines]

When’s the last time somebody talked to Plastroncafe?

[Iroh]

I'm not believing any of this. Nixon said it himself in 1994 that the American people will believe anything if it's on TV. I believe this is all staged. For example, there were at least 3 shots aimed at one target. If an AR-15's bullet misses its target in that big ass crowd of people, who was hit or killed? How come Trump's ear is still intact? If a bullet of that caliber grazes something, a chunk of that target is coming off! It was stated that one person died but who? Who was hit or killed by the other two bullets shot? How come the crowd was still calm and not scattering like roaches just like when other mass shootings happen? I pay attention to every detail when things happen. I'm not easily persuaded. I'm not gullible at all. This is nothing but an old WWF trick with the fake blood packet. Lol Keep Beach City Weird!

[CyberCubed]

I'm not believing any of this. Nixon said it himself in 1994 that the American people will believe anything if it's on TV. I believe this is all staged. For example, there were at least 3 shots aimed at one target. If an AR-15's bullet misses its target in that big ass crowd of people, who was hit or killed? How come Trump's ear is still intact? If a bullet of that caliber grazes something, a chunk of that target is coming off! It was stated that one person died but who? Who was hit or killed by the other two bullets shot? How come the crowd was still calm and not scattering like roaches just like when other mass shootings happen? I pay attention to every detail when things happen. I'm not easily persuaded. I'm not gullible at all. This is nothing but an old WWF trick with the fake blood packet. Lol Keep Beach City Weird!

Dude, don't be dumb. An audience member was killed, the actual shooter was killed by the secret service, and half of Trump's ear is bleeding.

You don't "stage" real deaths, c'mon now.

[IndigoErth]

He definitely reacts like something grazed him.

Did they have a silencer on a gun or something? The sound barely registers. Sounds like little more than a pet training clicker.

[ToTheNines]

I'm not believing any of this. Nixon said it himself in 1994 that the American people will believe anything if it's on TV. I believe this is all staged. For example, there were at least 3 shots aimed at one target. If an AR-15's bullet misses its target in that big ass crowd of people, who was hit or killed? How come Trump's ear is still intact? If a bullet of that caliber grazes something, a chunk of that target is coming off! It was stated that one person died but who? Who was hit or killed by the other two bullets shot? How come the crowd was still calm and not scattering like roaches just like when other mass shootings happen? I pay attention to every detail when things happen. I'm not easily persuaded. I'm not gullible at all. This is nothing but an old WWF trick with the fake blood packet. Lol Keep Beach City Weird!

Several red flags. You’re right about the AR. Wounds would be more believable with maybe a .22 long.

MULTIPLE shots fired before he was stopped? I’ve worked along side Secret Service before and they are very thorough. They survey the area repeatedly for days before their detail is even in the area. Can’t see them just causally missing a perfect sniper’s nest that some dork just happens to choose and not get caught.

And then Trump telling them to wait so he can pump his fist and let the crowd eat it up? No. If there is active gunfire, they are overpowering the target and dragging him to safety. It’s not up for discussion.

I’m eagerly looking forward to learning about the shooter’s digital footprint. He looked like a nerd but was wearing some tough guy shirt with an American flag on the sleeve.

[oldmanwinters]

Warning for potentially disturbing content in addition to by-stander interview:


https://x.com/Motabhai012/status/1812328382765695197

https://x.com/TaylerUSA/status/1812328350771212331

https://x.com/ajay_verma66063/status/1812327753066180956

https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1812278366646813153

https://x.com/freespeech360/status/1812283283637776818

https://x.com/kangminjlee/status/1812274687969530195

[Iroh]

Several red flags. You’re right about the AR. Wounds would be more believable with maybe a .22 long.

MULTIPLE shots fired before he was stopped? I’ve worked along side Secret Service before and they are very thorough. They survey the area repeatedly for days before their detail is even in the area. Can’t see them just causally missing a perfect sniper’s nest that some dork just happens to choose and not get caught.

And then Trump telling them to wait so he can pump his fist and let the crowd eat it up? No. If there is active gunfire, they are overpowering the target and dragging him to safety. It’s not up for discussion.

I’m eagerly looking forward to learning about the shooter’s digital footprint. He looked like a nerd but was wearing some tough guy shirt with an American flag on the sleeve.

BOOM! Thank you! I wasn't "being dumb" like Cubed said. I'm just very investigative. I'm glad someone else is smart here besides me. On another note, people stage deaths all the time. You just don't know it. Why do you think crisis actors exist? With the right equipment, anybody can play like they're dead. Look at the action movies!

[Autbot_Benz]

Notice how Trump touched his Ear went down then came up with blood on his ear. Notice how no blood got on his clothes or anything. Also agreed with how badly the secret service did things don't let that idiot keep fisting the crowd like Ya I got shot

[Andrew NDB]

BOOM! Thank you! I wasn't "being dumb" like Cubed said. I'm just very investigative. I'm glad someone else is smart here besides me. On another note, people stage deaths all the time. You just don't know it. Why do you think crisis actors exist? With the right equipment, anybody can play like they're dead. Look at the action movies!

Notice how Trump touched his Ear went down then came up with blood on his ear. Notice how no blood got on his clothes or anything.

Utterly stupid.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't discount conspiracy theories just because they are conspiracy theories but the Deep State would NEVER allow Trump to fake such an event since they are against him.

The motivation just doesn't click. If the shooting was faked, the deep state would use it to end Trump's career forever.

One conspiracy which does click though, is how the heck someone managed to get into an assasination position with their gun. They clearly knew alot.

There is no way that the gunman got in without either gross incompetence or inside knowledge from the secret service. The latter is far more likely considering how powerful they are.

[CyberCubed]

BOOM! Thank you! I wasn't "being dumb" like Cubed said. I'm just very investigative. I'm glad someone else is smart here besides me. On another note, people stage deaths all the time. You just don't know it. Why do you think crisis actors exist? With the right equipment, anybody can play like they're dead. Look at the action movies!

Nobody is staging a death at a presidential rally. There's speculation and then there's just being dumb, this is the latter. This also doesn't fit anything Trump has ever done in the past either (either this time or back in 2016-2020, etc).

And as I said above, apparently the shooter was killed by the secret service, so we'll probably find out soon enough all the details.

[ResidentEvil7]

I saw a news segment from Bill O'Reilly tonight and he is calling for the end of the hate against Trump and he points out names of who's responsible for the Trump hate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7qC_kXJ2B4

Some names I can think of not mentioned in the video: Whoopi Goldburg; Jimmy Kimmel; Rosie O'Donnell; Kathy Griffin.

Seriously, I'm sick of being hated on and called a racist and a Nazi by the haters just because I love Trump and want to see my country do better and be a great nation again.

[Galactus]

So it's being reported the shooter was a Republican. If that's true he's either a Never Trumper that's gone off the deep end or one of those for whom Trump is not quite Nazi enough I'm guessing. It's possibly even a response to Trump being so heavily implicated in all the Epstein stuff. The alt right is obsessed with seeing pedophilia everywhere and while most of them have long turned a blind eye to the obvious evidence Trump is a pedophile at least a few of them from what I've seen were shaken by the Epstein stuff and there is nothing worse for someone like that than a sense of betrayal by someone you idolised.

[Barkworm]

Jesus Christ. Don't make this pathetic excuse of a human being a martyr.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's being reported the shooter was a Republican.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/hXWyRrV2aBj9LoJX/

[Bahamut810]

We will have a better idea of who it is pretty soon. Its either going to hit major news networks that a White Male republican did it or there will be no reporting on who it is which tells us which groups the person would support.

[ZariusTwo]

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There is your historic moment. Trump fist pumping even while being shot.


This election just became a Rocky movie

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[Coola Yagami]

The media has been trying to downplay the in incident, calling it anything from 'apparent gunshots' to 'loud noises'.

Cause loud noises killed bystanders.

[Xav]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/hXWyRrV2aBj9LoJX/That's not the shooter, that guy is trolling.

[Barkworm]

He'll be fine, he has something to get attention for and probably couldn't be happier about that.

This. And this is where I have to unironically give Trump credit: because of his experience and talent as a media personality, he knows how to put himself in the spotlight. Within seconds after almost dying, he immediately poses as an unyielding leader.

[Andrew NDB]

This. And this is where I have to unironically give Trump credit: because of his experience and talent as a media personality, he knows how to put himself in the spotlight. Within seconds after almost dying, he immediately poses as an unyielding leader.

You say this as a negative. And I kind of get it. But let's be real. Name the times you someone you know of has been shot at in the face with real bullets... and we're not talking about like the 380 or 9mm that might be in your grandmammy's grabbag.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that 13th July 2024 was perhaps one of the most important days in the history of the United States, perhaps even the world.

This day, more than any other so far, has immortalised The Donald.

[Iroh]

Look up Vince Fusca. He was the guy in the crowd with the hat. He was totally unfazed by what was going on while "bullets" were flying.

[Barkworm]

You say this as a negative. And I kind of get it. But let's be real. Name the times you someone you know of has been shot at in the face with real bullets... and we're not talking about like the 380 or 9mm that might be in your grandmammy's grabbag.
Haha, I'm in Germany. I don't know ANYONE who even owns a real gun. Especially not my long deceased grandmas.

And as said, I'm giving the guy the deserved credit. Making the split-second decision to re-frame your near death experience like this takes something.

[Iroh]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/hXWyRrV2aBj9LoJX/

Utterly stupid. lol Troll link.

[ToTheNines]

http://http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13728&d=1720955258

In what world does the secret service not have a counter sniper on this very same roof?

[ToTheNines]

Let me clarify, I am apolitical and don’t vote anymore. American politics is a sham and beyond repair. But gun to my head (and not counting any third party candidates) I would vote Trump over Biden.

Anyway, what I’m getting at is: I am into conspiracy theories obviously, but I love how every normie lib I know IRL or from the internet who doesn’t even believe in the Epstein network/assassination is now full tinfoil hat “FAKE blood! His campaign planned this!”.

Open your eyes people.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Let me clarify, I am apolitical and don’t vote anymore. American politics is a sham and beyond repair. But gun to my head (and not counting any third party candidates) I would vote Trump over Biden.

Anyway, what I’m getting at is: I am into conspiracy theories obviously, but I love how every normie lib I know IRL or from the internet who doesn’t even believe in the Epstein network/assassination is now full tinfoil hat “FAKE blood! His campaign planned this!”.

Open your eyes people.

When it comes to Conspiracy Theories, I follow a general rule. Either Conspiracy Theories are true or they are false because said false theory is a cover up for an even bigger Conspiracy.

In the case of the "Fake Blood" crowd, they are in the latter category. Clearly distracting from the real questions, like how the all-powerful secret service didn't take the shed roof into account when organising for the rally.

Even bigger, this shooting happens to take place just around the time when Trump was going to get offically nominated and about to pick his VP.

If he did get killed, said VP would've most likely taken his place in the race.

But guess what? All the current likely VP picks (Rubio, Haley, Vance etc.) were once Never-Trumpers and hated the man's guts with a passion.

So all these politicians who were once open for their hatred of Trump would've been the potential next President had Trump been killed? Not suspicious at all.

[ToTheNines]

When it comes to Conspiracy Theories, I follow a general rule. Either Conspiracy Theories are true or they are false because said false theory is a cover up for an even bigger Conspiracy.

In the case of the "Fake Blood" crowd, they are in the latter category. Clearly distracting from the real questions, like how the all-powerful secret service didn't take the shed roof into account when organising for the rally.

Even bigger, this shooting happens to take place just around the time when Trump was going to get offically nominated and about to pick his VP.

If he did get killed, said VP would've most likely taken his place in the race.

But guess what? All the current likely VP picks (Rubio, Haley, Vance etc.) were once Never-Trumpers and hated the man's guts with a passion.

So all these politicians who were once open for their hatred of Trump would've been the potential next President had Trump been killed? Not suspicious at all.

Interesting. Someone on twitter was saying since the RNC is in 2 days and Trump will have to pick a VP, they could be colluding with the DNC, who is simultaneously trying to oust Biden.

Basically “we whack Trump, it distracts from you pushing Biden into the nursing home, and we start the election with our candidates of choice on equal footing”. Starting to get a little out there, but it’s interesting.


In other news, shooter has been identified as Thomas Crooks. 20 year old dork. Once made a $15 donation to ACTBLUE, a progressive voter turnout org.

[oldmanwinters]

There is no way that the gunman got in without either gross incompetence or inside knowledge from the secret service. The latter is far more likely considering how powerful they are.

Technically, he didn’t “get in” because he climbed a top a building outside the so-called “perimeter” which is always a possibility at open-air events.
https://x.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/1812315526992924729
https://x.com/Thomasfidy/status/1812325426137809115

[Iroh]

Totally off topic here but this wouldn't happen to Biden because he's already dead. He's been dead since he was elected. He's just too dumb and slow to realize it. He's too sleepy. Bro is a literal zombie.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Technically, he didn’t “get in” because he climbed a top a building outside the so-called “perimeter” which is always a possibility at open-air events.
https://x.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/1812315526992924729
https://x.com/Thomasfidy/status/1812325426137809115

You're right. "Get in" by itself was the wrong word on my part since he was outside the rally, but "get in within shooting range" is more accurate.

I wouldn't ever expect the Secret Service, with all their brains and resources, to make such an obvious mistake in the rally's planning.

Interesting. Someone on twitter was saying since the RNC is in 2 days and Trump will have to pick a VP, they could be colluding with the DNC, who is simultaneously trying to oust Biden.

Basically “we whack Trump, it distracts from you pushing Biden into the nursing home, and we start the election with our candidates of choice on equal footing”. Starting to get a little out there, but it’s interesting.

I think that theory holds weight. Many Democrats openly want Biden out, so its not surprising that some Republicians would also want Trump out, even if through force.

The motivations make sense here.

[ToTheNines]

It’s a known fact that Secret Service killed Kennedy…

[Bahamut810]

When I first saw this I wasn't sure if this was a set up or not. I am still on the fence. Throwing pros/cons up for it.

Pro-Setup
-supposedly (as of right now) used an "AK Style Weapon"
-This sort of event would boost Trumps approval, especially with that "photo op"
-The Secret Service and Police ignored claims that he was getting on the roof (edit to add)

Anti-Setup
-Aimed for the head
-Supposedly, the assassin was a registered republican but donated Blue. That feels like someone trying to influence 'the system'
-White guy

[Iroh]

Another wrench thrown into play is the shooter's identity. Was it really Thomas Crooks or Maxwell Yearick?

[ToTheNines]

When I first saw this I wasn't sure if this was a set up or not. I am still on the fence. Throwing pros/cons up for it.

Pro-Setup
-supposedly (as of right now) used an "AK Style Weapon"
-This sort of event would boost Trumps approval, especially with that "photo op"
-The Secret Service and Police ignored claims that he was getting on the roof (edit to add)

Anti-Setup
-Aimed for the head
-Supposedly, the assassin was a registered republican but donated Blue. That feels like someone trying to influence 'the system'
-White guy

Was not an AK or any type of automatic. Was a rifle.

[ToTheNines]

Another wrench thrown into play is the shooter's identity. Was it really Thomas Crooks or Maxwell Yearick?

It’s Crooks.

Found someone on r/Pittsburgh who knows the family. Says the parents didn’t believe in meds for mental health issues and that the kid rigged the house with explosives. FBI/ATF there now.

Edit: “loud pop” reported around 4:15 AM

[Bahamut810]

Was not an AK or any type of automatic. Was a rifle.

I commonly see the gun being attributed as an "AK" style gun or a Rifle. Not all rifles are AK, but 'scary' boogeyman AK guns are all Rifles.

Regardless I have already seen people making anti-2a comments over it.

[oldmanwinters]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/who-is-thomas-crooks-suspected-trump-shooter


Crooks is from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, a relatively affluent, predominantly white suburb of of Pittsburgh, about 42 miles away from Butler, where the Trump rally took place.

Allegheny County voter records listed a Thomas Matthew Crooks as a registered Republican, according to multiple news reports.

When Crooks was 17, according to Reuters, he made a $15 contribution to Act Blue, a political action committee that raises money for Democratic candidates. The donation was earmarked for the Progressive Turnout Project, according to Federal Election Commission in 2021 filings cited by Reuters.

Crooks graduated from Bethel Park High School in 2022 and was awarded a National Maths and Science Initiative Star Award worth $500.

During the attack, Crooks wore a gray T-shirt with an American flag on the sleeve, matching merchandise sold by the popular YouTube firearm channel Demolition Ranch. The channel has over 11 million subscribers and frequently posts videos about various types of weaponry.

During the rally, the alleged shooter was positioned on the roof of a building approximately 130 yards from the stage where Trump was speaking. Witnesses described seeing Crooks moving across the roof before the attack.

[ToTheNines]

I commonly see the gun being attributed as an "AK" style gun or a Rifle. Not all rifles are AK, but 'scary' boogeyman AK guns are all Rifles.

Regardless I have already seen people making anti-2a comments over it.

Gotcha. Well it definitely wasn’t any type of automatic.


Also, Trump now has Master Splinter ear. Next debate being held on an NYC rooftop.

[Mayhem]

Gotcha. Well it definitely wasn’t any type of automatic.
Five or six shots in the space of a few seconds suggests a semi automatic to me.

So looks like my original conclusion right afterwards was probably correct, not an anti Trump left, but a mentally ill right winger allowed access to firearms for whatever reason. Another success for the law and his parents :roll:

[Iroh]

I'm not gonna lie though. Trump's "bro fist" was pretty powerful though. LOL I'm glad he is OK.

[jignat]

Never thought a ninja turtle site would be a haven for radical right wingers.
Another reason this place has gone down the tubes

[Iroh]

Never thought a ninja turtle site would be a haven for radical right wingers.
Another reason this place has gone down the tubes

Bro! You hit the nail right on the head. LMAO! I just use this forum to have fun and geek out on some interesting topics here. Since my join date, I have ran into extreme homophobic and racist imbeciles on this forum. I don't pay any mind to them because my life is awesome and they are mediocre basement babies that love being keyboard warriors but cowards in real life. I'm not political by any means so I do not have any wings. I'm not a bird. Left wingers and right wingers.... it's all a scam.

[Mayhem]

And the internet does it again…


https://i.imgur.com/yhzX97t.jpeg

[Bahamut810]

Five or six shots in the space of a few seconds suggests a semi automatic to me.

Watching the footage it was 3 shots, then 5~6 shots. From what I can see/tell it was 3 from a semi-automatic rifle (one pull of the trigger one shot) then return fire from Secret Service at a higher rate (probably semi-automatic as well with better experience). I am not sure if you meant "semi-automatic" to mean anything negative because the vast majority of firearms right now are semi-automatic.

So looks like my original conclusion right afterwards was probably correct, not an anti Trump left, but a mentally ill right winger allowed access to firearms for whatever reason. Another success for the law and his parents :roll:

There is no telling right now. He was registered republican but voted with his pockets Democrat. his district is Democrat at a 3:1 ratio last election so...wait and see (past snark I guess).

[Shark_Blade]

How do you know he voted Democrat?

[Bahamut810]

How do you know he voted Democrat?

He voted with his pocket. He (potentially) donated money to a democrat cause a year or two ago so we don't know which political leaning he has right now. Him registering republican could be as much for him to influence the primary then vote dem in the election as him actually supporting the GOP.

[CyberCubed]

This guy just threw away his life. A guy barely out of High School (graduated in 2022), and then does this, and then dies. Guy was what, around 20?

Just think this guy was a young teenager when Trump was president in 2016.

[Andrew NDB]

And stupid leftists making posts like "What are the people on the right going to say about this shooter's gun rights now?! Should he have had them?" These people are insane.

[CyberCubed]

So I guess the conspiracy theories of this being "staged" are over huh. The shooter is dead, and one (or is it two?) of the audience members sitting behind Trump got killed. This was basically a mass shooting/assassination attempt by some 20 year old with a gun.

[IndigoErth]

Hey, don't underestimate people who love conspiracies. I haven't looked at a damn thing online, other than a few articles immediately after it happened, and this forum alone is an interesting twisting and conflicting of conspiracies being thrown around. Can't imagine what social media looks like. Someone will inevitably keep coming up with more wacky ideas they "suspect" or are certain of.

[ToTheNines]

No way it was staged, but the Secret Service obviously allowed the shooter to get into position and fire off multiple shots. That’s a fact. As blatant as the Capital Police letting the protesters in on January 6th.

As for the shooter, could possibly be a MK Ultra victim. We’ll see what else comes out about him.

[Xav]

Pro-Setup
-supposedly (as of right now) used an "AK Style Weapon"Why would an "AK Style Weapon" make it more likely Trump staged it?

[Mayhem]

And stupid leftists making posts like "What are the people on the right going to say about this shooter's gun rights now?! Should he have had them?" These people are insane.
I’ve always argued that applications for weapon ownership should be subject to a valid psychiatric assessment, they are in many other countries before you are granted a licence to own firearms. If you then say it impinges the Second Amendment, it never defines the specific rights or what firearms.

[Bahamut810]

Why would an "AK Style Weapon" make it more likely Trump staged it?

Because every single time people start talking about violating the second amendment it starts with "AK" or "AR". It is the boogeyman of guns to the left. Could someone have used it? Sure. However, a long rifle is much easier to get, a better weapon for what he did and is much better for the job that would have attracted less attention for better success. Since "AK" has gone away in the media chances are he took that option.

I’ve always argued that applications for weapon ownership should be subject to a valid psychiatric assessment, they are in many other countries before you are granted a licence to own firearms. If you then say it impinges the Second Amendment, it never defines the specific rights or what firearms.

I get that you are English, so you don't know or don't care. The Second Amendment literally say "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". I think that is pretty specific. We do have a few exceptions to that *after* someone has committed a crime. Allowing the government to determine who is or who is not allowed to own firearms without any reason is when we get what's happening in the UK where people are being arrested for hurting peoples feelings.

[Galactus]

It's true that the shooter donated $15 to a pac to help progressive Democrat candidates run against establishment Dems years ago but really doesn't mean anything now. People do change their political identity over time even going from one extreme to the other, particularly people with mental health issues.

The truth is since then he's become a registered Republican and voted for Repubican candidates in the '22 mid terms. If that isn't strong enough evidence of what his current political leanings are he was also a member of the NRA and as someone on here already pointed out he was a big fan of a pro-gun youtuber even wearing his T-shirt during his attempted assassination. Overwhelmingly he fits the profile of right winger.

It's not uncommon for the supporters of public figures to become so obsessed with them that they try and murder them for ignoring or feeling they were betrayed by them in some way. "Dear Trump I wrote you but you still ain't callin'..."

[oldmanwinters]

From Breitbart:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/14/catastrophic-failure-secret-service-under-scrutiny-after-trump-assassination-attempt/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2xl8Tp-VVYLRjjAcUFGfx1Uo0RTCo4mrjAZ0IF-ypdGRNbxvkB3FU1VsQ_aem_o4azah4uky25N4quOSQOrg


Army Special Forces veteran Rep. Mike Waltz (R-FL) posted on X, “I have very reliable sources telling me there have been repeated requests for stronger secret service protection for President Trump. Denied by Secretary Mayorkas.”

Conservative show host Dan Bongino, a former New York Police Department officer and Secret Service agent, claimed that Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has “repeatedly turned down requests” for more Secret Service protection for Trump.

“I want to repeat, and can absolutely confirm, the USSS Director Kim Cheatle has repeatedly turned down requests for a larger security footprint around President Trump. Despite knowing the threat level is catastrophic. Resign tonight,” he posted on X.



Whatever the truth of the alleged denials for manpower, it’s a Bad look for Secret Service and especially its fairly-new director from Pepsi Kim Cheatle.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It's true that the shooter donated $15 to a pac to help progressive Democrat candidates run against establishment Dems years ago but really doesn't mean anything now. People do change their political identity over time even going from one extreme to the other, particularly people with mental health issues.

The truth is since then he's become a registered Republican and voted for Repubican candidates in the '22 mid terms. If that isn't strong enough evidence of what his current political leanings are he was also a member of the NRA and as someone on here already pointed out he was a big fan of a pro-gun youtuber even wearing his T-shirt during his attempted assassination. Overwhelmingly he fits the profile of right winger.

It's not uncommon for the supporters of public figures to become so obsessed with them that they try and murder them for ignoring or feeling they were betrayed by them in some way. "Dear Trump I wrote you but you still ain't callin'..."

I don't doubt the guy was a Republician. But that's not going to make Trump look bad because he is already hated within his own party, which is frankly not America-First.

The GOP is full of traitors who have undermined Trump since 2016. If they were truly loyal, they would've never allowed such oversights leading up to the attempted assasination to occur in the first place.

Trumpism >>>>> Republicianism.

[Iroh]

A 5.56 round doesn't graze a target without it being mangled in the process. The secret service shows up to a location DAYS before an event happens to check out all perimeters that may be considered red flags. Crooks was allowed to scale the roof IN FRONT OF EVERYONE with gun in hand and posted up. He was not eliminated then? The people behind Trump was acting off. Lady is seen standing up and sits down while looking in the direction where Crooks was. Shots ring out and she pulls out her phone while being totally calm filming the "shot" president. Instead of the secret service getting Trump out safe, he tells the to wait so he can get his bro fist moment. Hmmmm....

[oldmanwinters]

instead of the secret service getting Trump out safe, he tells the to wait so he can get his bro fist moment. Hmmmm....

Everybody can hear the agents’ audio com-link chatter that the shooter had already been neutralized at that point in time.

The people behind Trump was acting off. Lady is seen standing up and sits down while looking in the direction where Crooks was. Shots ring out and she pulls out her phone while being totally calm filming the "shot" president.

Also, most civilian people don’t think logically when experiencing a crisis in the moment. People tend to assume the popping sound of gunshots are anything but until realization sinks in.

[Iroh]

Still, it could've been a possibility that there could have been another active shooter. All other presidents got the hell out of the area when an attempt failed.

[IndigoErth]

It's not uncommon for the supporters of public figures to become so obsessed with them that they try and murder them for ignoring or feeling they were betrayed by them in some way. "Dear Trump I wrote you but you still ain't callin'..."
True, it's possible he'd supported Trump before, but has lost the love for him. And instead of doing it in support of Dems, since he's registered Repub, also possible he's a nutter who thought getting rid of Trump would then force a different Republican on the ballot.

[Mayhem]

I get that you are English, so you don't know or don't care. The Second Amendment literally say "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". I think that is pretty specific. We do have a few exceptions to that *after* someone has committed a crime. Allowing the government to determine who is or who is not allowed to own firearms without any reason is when we get what's happening in the UK where people are being arrested for hurting peoples feelings.
I probably understand the constitutional and legal implications better than many Americans do. Much to the chagrin of the better half who thinks I’m obsessed with America :lol: no, just well read and versed.

The right of the people, plural, collective all the population. If the Government was to say no one could have guns, that’s a pretty go against the wording statement. And there’s no definition about what arms. Most people generally don’t need semi automatic rifles. Those two things SHOULD be the role of the law to maintain safety, security, and reduce gun related crime.

I’ve never advocated for guns to be banned in the US, just the checks and balances to be a lot more stringent than they are. But you’re essentially saying that mentally ill people should be allowed unlimited access to firearms because the Second Amendment trumps any government law. Gotcha. Answer me, which country has on average two mass killings per day? Because it isn’t here. And of the three major shooting incidents I can think of that prompted changes in the gun ownership laws here, two were carried out by determined mentally ill people.

I won’t even go into the news that I saw this morning that a store in Texas (where else?!) has installed the first ammunition vending machine like you’re ordering from McDonalds. Waiting for that to get hacked and all the ammo dumped by someone unscrupulous.

I’m intrigued by the “hurt people’s feelings in the UK” comment if you care to provide a link? Online abuse, racism and the such is being taken more seriously, simply because if you said it to that persons face, you’d get decked. So the cowards hide behind a screen.

[Shark_Blade]

Watch the real time assassination attempt on Trump from different angles. With countdown from footage of people warning authorities about the shooter to Trump being whisked away. https://x.com/themilkbartv/status/1812731727053488418?s=61&t=MrPlInF9kOF_X1nUjKG4Dg

[CyberCubed]

You can see pics where the bullet is literally at the angle of his ear. Trump is so damn lucky, if his head was not turned a slightly way or if he was standing two inches to the left, that bullet would have went into his skull and he'd be dead.

Trump lucks out of everything. Lucked into a presidency, survived covid, is not going to jail despite being found guilty on 32 charges, survives an assassination attempt, etc. Hell even a heart attack didn't do Trump in despite him being mostly overweight and not eating healthy his whole life at the age of 78.

[Barkworm]

I mean, the last American president who had no attempts at his life was Lyndon B. Johnson. So overall, it's just business as usual in the good ol' US of A.

[Coola Yagami]

Has Obama ever had attempts, I don't remember any. I always thought there would be attempts on his life during the inauguration due to the 'I don't want no black guy in the White House' or some nonsense. At least the first time around.

[oldmanwinters]

Has Obama ever had attempts, I don't remember any. I always thought there would be attempts on his life during the inauguration due to the 'I don't want no black guy in the White House' or some nonsense. At least the first time around.

I don't fully remember it, but I think an off-duty officer noticed something and subdued a threat before it escalated.

First link on Google, but maybe not was I was thinking of:
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/obama-praises-off-duty-officer-s-actions-in-minnesota-attack-idUSKCN11P21P/

EDIT:
It DOES have its own Wiki though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_Barack_Obama

[Andrew NDB]

since he's registered Repub

He only did that so he could vote against him. He's given money to democrats.

[oldmanwinters]

Watch the real time assassination attempt on Trump from different angles. With countdown from footage of people warning authorities about the shooter to Trump being whisked away. https://x.com/themilkbartv/status/1812731727053488418?s=61&t=MrPlInF9kOF_X1nUjKG4Dg

Like the comments say, this is more useful to understanding than anything I've seen on the news networks.

Here's another writeup on the engima that is Crooks:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-finds-few-red-flags-115246867.html

[IndigoErth]

You can see pics where the bullet is literally at the angle of his ear. Trump is so damn lucky, if his head was not turned a slightly way or if he was standing two inches to the left, that bullet would have went into his skull and he'd be dead.

Trump lucks out of everything. Lucked into a presidency, survived covid, is not going to jail despite being found guilty on 32 charges, survives an assassination attempt, etc. Hell even a heart attack didn't do Trump in despite him being mostly overweight and not eating healthy his whole life at the age of 78.
Either the universe is punishing us with him and we aren't done our sentence yet... or even the Grim Reaper does not want to deal with all that any sooner than absolutely necessary. lol Reaper over there deflecting that damn bullet just to get of out listening to Trump rant and carry on about having died, if he had... or boast about having the best death.

[oldmanwinters]

Report of a local officer attempting to engage the suspect on the roof prior to the shots, but ducking for cover in self-defense which was shortly followed by shots at the podium:


A local police officer saw the gunman on the rooftop during former President Donald Trump’s Pennsylvania rally on Saturday but was unable to engage him, Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe told CNN’s Pamela Brown on Sunday.

Slupe said that Butler Township officers received calls about a suspicious person outside the perimeter of the rally and went looking to find that person. The initial calls did not indicate the suspicious person had a gun, he said.

During the search for the suspicious person, officers with township police discovered that the gunman was on the roof, and one local officer hoisted another to get up to the ledge. The shooter turned around, saw the officer peering over and pointed his gun at him. The officer let go of the ledge to “take cover” and save his own life. The gunman then started firing from the rooftop. Trump, who says he was shot in the ear, was rushed offstage with blood on his face.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/local-officer-tried-stop-gunman-214831312.html

[CyberCubed]

Trump's entire life story is like is like a long running TV series with many twists and turns. This season finale plot twist of him getting his ear shot and surviving by a 2 inch assassination attempt was a great final episode!

I can't wait to see what happens next season!

[Andrew NDB]

It's good Oliver Stone wanted to wait to make the movie.

[Bahamut810]

The right of the people, plural, collective all the population. If the Government was to say no one could have guns, that’s a pretty go against the wording statement. And there’s no definition about what arms. Most people generally don’t need semi automatic rifles. Those two things SHOULD be the role of the law to maintain safety, security, and reduce gun related crime.

Yes, the right of the people (individual citizens within the population) to bear arms is well enshrined in our case law. It does not have to say specifically what arms because they knew technology advances. We dont codify exactly where you can speak in the 1st amendment but that does not stop free speech online for instance. However they dont need to codify it because arms are weapons. They acknowledged that this right is necessary to help form Militias which are citizen soldiers. It doesn't matter if *you* think they need semi-automatic rifles (that fire one shot with one pull of the trigger like any pistol does) they are a necessity for a free society. In a perfect world it would be up to the law, but the law (like police) cant be everywhere at all times to protect you and you *should* take responsibility to keep yourself safe.

If it makes you feel better about it, I am sure the founding fathers knew that the machine gun had been invented something like 1718 so its pretty safe to think they would understand one day we would have better weapons that could shoot faster.

I’ve never advocated for guns to be banned in the US, just the checks and balances to be a lot more stringent than they are. But you’re essentially saying that mentally ill people should be allowed unlimited access to firearms because the Second Amendment trumps any government law. Gotcha. Answer me, which country has on average two mass killings per day? Because it isn’t here. And of the three major shooting incidents I can think of that prompted changes in the gun ownership laws here, two were carried out by determined mentally ill people.

I am agreeing with you slightly, some people probably shouldn't have guns.
However, you are advocating for a guilty until proven innocent approach. I am advocating that we don't remove rights from people who have not committed crimes. That's not even getting into the gun stores that refuse to sell to people who are sketchy (which is the majority of them).

I don't care about mass shootings. Murder is illegal. If you commit a crime with a gun then you cant own a gun. Its also not likely that people who intend to commit murder wont find another way (https://apnews.com/article/knife-attacks-britain-0a221cbd20d467cea952373bf13cab07).

I won’t even go into the news that I saw this morning that a store in Texas (where else?!) has installed the first ammunition vending machine like you’re ordering from McDonalds. Waiting for that to get hacked and all the ammo dumped by someone unscrupulous.

I think this is both good and bad. On the good side, citizens should have the freedom to buy their ammo whenever a shopkeeper will sell it to them. Smells like freedom, hoo-rah. On the bad side, those purchase records and IDs (https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/12/us/vending-machines-ammunition-alabama-texas-oklahoma/index.html) can be ordered by the court when they are trying to throw darts at a board when trying to pin something on a gun owning citizen who commits thought crime.

I’m intrigued by the “hurt people’s feelings in the UK” comment if you care to provide a link? Online abuse, racism and the such is being taken more seriously, simply because if you said it to that persons face, you’d get decked. So the cowards hide behind a screen.

Off hand I can think of two...Count Dankula for pranking his wife (https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html), here is a big list of speech that I disagree with people are getting arrested for (https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offensive-tweet-prosecution-section-127-2003-communications-act), here is someone being arrested for retweeting something. (https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-communications-after-posting-meme-mocking-the-transgender-flag/)

The only reason I am not surprised that JK Rowling (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51j64lk2l8o) hasn't been arrested is because she has enough money to fight the Scottish courts and win.

[Andrew NDB]

I’ve never advocated for guns to be banned in the US, just the checks and balances to be a lot more stringent than they are. But you’re essentially saying that mentally ill people should be allowed unlimited access to firearms because the Second Amendment trumps any government law.

Two things. The right to bear arms is a RIGHT. Unlike, say, the ability to drive a car... that is not a RIGHT. When you start layering on "Well, it's a right, BUT you have to ______" then it ceases to become a right. Second thing, "mentally ill" is pretty hard to gauge. For example, should someone in the Army coming home from active duty with extreme PTSD and trauma they got from active duty have their right to bear arms compromised? How?

Answer me, which country has on average two mass killings per day?

Mexico, Honduras. A bunch of places. Many more than that per day. But it isn't convenient to report on that stuff.

[Mayhem]

Count Dankula for pranking his wife (https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html), here is a big list of speech that I disagree with people are getting arrested for (https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offensive-tweet-prosecution-section-127-2003-communications-act), here is someone being arrested for retweeting something. (https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-communications-after-posting-meme-mocking-the-transgender-flag/)
The first one, Nazis. Second one, consequences, especially towards someone who didn’t deserve it. Also a comms act made over 20 years, so it’s hardly new, and yet not many people have actually been prosecuted by it. Which shows it’s hardly an affront to most people posting. The third one I’m confused by, because the report talks about the First Amendment yet completely glosses over the fact the Government infringing your speech rights is different to consequences that are in place as above. Either way, like the first report, Nazis are off the table generally here.

Unlike the US seemingly… given all the far right matches and Proud Boys etc.

He only did that so he could vote against him. He's given money to democrats.
The donation to the Democrat cause happened before he signed up to be a member of the Republican Party.

Mexico, Honduras. A bunch of places. Many more than that per day. But it isn't convenient to report on that stuff.
The discussion was solely about US versus UK here. Anyhow, by the general definition of a mass shooting in the US (at least three people dead excluding the perpetrator) I believe you’re wrong, the US incurs the most per year.

[Bahamut810]

The first one, Nazis.

He made a dog salute because he wanted to make his Girlfriend mad as a joke. So no, not Nazi. Making fun of Nazis.

Second one, consequences, especially towards someone who didn’t deserve it. Also a comms act made over 20 years, so it’s hardly new, and yet not many people have actually been prosecuted by it. Which shows it’s hardly an affront to most people posting.

Anyone being prosecuted for a joke, or being offensive is too much.

The third one I’m confused by, because the report talks about the First Amendment yet completely glosses over the fact the Government infringing your speech rights is different to consequences that are in place as above.

You wanted examples of people being arrested for hurting peoples feelings. Here is someone arrested because "“Someone has been caused anxiety based on your social media post”. This is literally what you asked for.

Either way, like the first report, Nazis are off the table generally here.

Unlike the US seemingly… given all the far right matches and Proud Boys etc.

If unpopular speech is illegal then you don't have free speech. We don't beg the government to allow us to speak our pre-approved minds.

[Leo656]

Two things. The right to bear arms is a RIGHT. Unlike, say, the ability to drive a car... that is not a RIGHT. When you start layering on "Well, it's a right, BUT you have to ______" then it ceases to become a right.

You're so, so close to actually "getting it". Like you almost actually say the thing, but you're blinded by your whole "We have RIGHTS!!!" hangup.

Guess what? You don't. I don't. Nobody does. Nobody has any "rights" in this country. Never did.

Anyone who knows what words actually mean can easily understand that we don't actually have any "rights" at all in this country, merely privileges which can be and are taken away from any number of people for any number of reasons.

We call them "rights" because it makes us sound noble, and the Founders wanted a fancy and simple way to make us seem "better" than the other "sh*thole countries", but no matter what name you slap on it they are not "God-given and inalienable" because if something can be taken away or negotiated AT ALL, then it is by its very definition a Privilege, NOT a "right".

Felons lose their "right" to vote, Asian-Americans during WWII lost their "right" to exist freely as Americans when they were put in internment camps simply for being Asian, women only very recently in our country's history managed to negotiate the "right" to vote, and Black and gay people still do not and have never had the same exact "rights" as straight white people have. And this is just for starters.

And guess what happens when someone is convicted of a violent crime with a firearm? That's right, their "inalienable and God-given RIGHT which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED EEEEVAAARRRRRRR" is now gone, up in smoke, suddenly not worth the paper it's printed on.

Little children don't even have the "right" to attend school safely and without fear, because some people - like you - think that their "right" to shoot cans off their porch like a stupid redneck jagoff is somehow more important.

It's not. The fact that you WANT it to be more important, so badly, simply makes you a Bad Person.

So, put simply, nobody has any "rights". None. Zero.

It's made-up words on paper to make the negotiable PRIVILEGES we are granted (and allowed to keep if we behave ourselves) sound more noble.
It was just a way to differentiate America from the rest, to make us seem "better". The simple truth is, we get exactly the same as every other country gives its citizens, and that's Perfectly Fine. But that means there is no ironclad "right" to bear arms, and there never was. It's purple prose, nothing more.

If ALL the other so-called "rights" that people are given can be negated and removed - and they all have been, will be and are, for various individuals and groups depending on circumstance - that singular one is no different.

You almost said the same thing yourself by complete accident, which is funny. You just got tripped up on the idea that "rights" are actually real and that kept you from closing the loop.

But then, as I recall you never finished High School because you were "too smart for that scam", or something to that effect. So I can't say I'm shocked that you struggle with the literal definition of even monosyllabic words.

[Mayhem]

Leo gets what I was aiming for, and drives a Hummer right through it and dials that mother up to 11 :lol:

The right to bear arms. That doesn’t automatically mean all arms, your right isn’t affected by “only” having say pistols available, you just layer it on that it is because you believe it means everything with no restriction and hey like Oprah, you get an assault rifle, you get an assault rifle, everyone gets assault rifles. Which was the argument I was making about mentally ill people, and as noted, felons, who can’t legally own guns or vote post conviction (in most states), or women who couldn’t vote (here in the UK to use an example from our side) until 1918, and even then they had to be over 30.

If unpopular speech is illegal then you don't have free speech. We don't beg the government to allow us to speak our pre-approved minds.
No, but you can well imagine if you started posting certain stuff online, you’re going to get some attention from the authorities. It’s not unpopular, just classified in some instances as hate speech. Bit like that assault on the capitol after someone said something at a rally on 6th January…


https://i.imgur.com/6TPaeD1.jpeg


That they are son, that they are…

[Leo656]

The only people who care about "free speech" are white people who can't stand not being able to call people "n****r" and "f****t" out loud with no repercussions. That's literally It.

Just like the only people who bleat about 2A have tiny dicks, can't make a woman cum, and are absolutely terrified of black people. Which is partly why most of them only get to see their kids on alternate weekends at best.

[ToTheNines]

He only did that so he could vote against him. He's given money to democrats.

This was proven to be inaccurate. The donor was an older gentleman with the same name.

He did give money to an Onlyfans girl. @QTsnack on twitter.

Other than that he’s nearly invisible online. No college or work history after high school, just had a cameo in a Blackrock commercial that they’re trying to sweep under the rug…

[Bahamut810]

Leo gets what I was aiming for, and drives a Hummer right through it and dials that mother up to 11 :lol:

Remember...we all agreed we wouldn't talk about him at his demand. He has already told us he has better things to do then be here and/or associate with us as a group.

The right to bear arms. That doesn’t automatically mean all arms, your right isn’t affected by “only” having say pistols available, you just layer it on that it is because you believe it means everything with no restriction and hey like Oprah, you get an assault rifle, you get an assault rifle, everyone gets assault rifles. Which was the argument I was making about mentally ill people, and as noted, felons, who can’t legally own guns or vote post conviction (in most states), or women who couldn’t vote (here in the UK to use an example from our side) until 1918, and even then they had to be over 30.

Unless its because you have removed the rights of someone else...yeah...you should be able to have "Assault" rifles (aka a semi-automatic rifle with a lot of bullets). There is no reason to punish innocent people. If you try to make laws that restrict due to mental illness, then you are setting up violating the rights of people with minor illnesses (ADD, Autism, Gender Dysphoria) as well as potentially letting the government make up illnesses (being Far-Right) to disarm the population.

That is pretty much my line though on if your rights can be violated by the government we employ, if you have violated someone else's rights so we punish you by removing yours.

No, but you can well imagine if you started posting certain stuff online, you’re going to get some attention from the authorities. It’s not unpopular, just classified in some instances as hate speech. Bit like that assault on the capitol after someone said something at a rally on 6th January…

That they are son, that they are…

Yes, we employ people to stop other people from violating our rights. If someone comes to your door? Close the door. They cant come in unless they have enough evidence to get a warrant which requires more then "haha...I hate this guy" (barring corruption/not being trained correctly). Just like anyone else.

Hate speech is unpopular speech. Unless you are actively convincing someone to violate someone else's rights or convincing someone you are putting their person in direct physical harm (aka Fighting words) you have the right to say unpopular things.

[Bahamut810]

This was proven to be inaccurate. The donor was an older gentleman with the same name.

He did give money to an Onlyfans girl. @QTsnack on twitter.

Other than that he’s nearly invisible online. No college or work history after high school, just had a cameo in a Blackrock commercial that they’re trying to sweep under the rug…

Out of everything that sounds like the biggest red flag in this day and age.

[Iroh]

The only people who care about "free speech" are white people who can't stand not being able to call people "n****r" and "f****t" out loud with no repercussions. That's literally It.

Just like the only people who bleat about 2A have tiny dicks, can't make a woman cum, and are absolutely terrified of black people. Which is partly why most of them only get to see their kids on alternate weekends at best.

Hahahahaha! This is so true bro. The majority of those white people are in this thread. I don't want to point any fingers or call any names. I will keep the peace among us here. This was the greatest comment in this thread. Great job! You made my day. :lol:

[ResidentEvil7]

What is a 2A? Sorry, but I don't talk in code; I speak and read English.

[Iroh]

It means second amendment.

[Barkworm]

Never argue with gun enthusiasts. You can tell them all day how peaceful life in other countries is but everything is still better in the US because guns and more people (allegedly) are murdered in Honduras.

[Iroh]

Ain't that the truth. I never had to worry about them in Japan. I never experienced so much peace before in my life as a minority. No guns and no hate, just fun.

[Andrew NDB]

They're not for everyone. Feel free to move to some of these "peaceful countries" where they aren't a right.

[Barkworm]

We're already there, thanks for your heartfelt concern. :)

[Mayhem]

We're already there, thanks for your heartfelt concern. :)
Yeah, definitely not worrying about being shot each day.


https://i.imgur.com/4LwztWP.jpeg

[Walkabout]

You're so, so close to actually "getting it". Like you almost actually say the thing, but you're blinded by your whole "We have RIGHTS!!!" hangup.

Guess what? You don't. I don't. Nobody does. Nobody has any "rights" in this country. Never did.

Anyone who knows what words actually mean can easily understand that we don't actually have any "rights" at all in this country, merely privileges which can be and are taken away from any number of people for any number of reasons.

We call them "rights" because it makes us sound noble, and the Founders wanted a fancy and simple way to make us seem "better" than the other "sh*thole countries", but no matter what name you slap on it they are not "God-given and inalienable" because if something can be taken away or negotiated AT ALL, then it is by its very definition a Privilege, NOT a "right".

Felons lose their "right" to vote, Asian-Americans during WWII lost their "right" to exist freely as Americans when they were put in internment camps simply for being Asian, women only very recently in our country's history managed to negotiate the "right" to vote, and Black and gay people still do not and have never had the same exact "rights" as straight white people have. And this is just for starters.

And guess what happens when someone is convicted of a violent crime with a firearm? That's right, their "inalienable and God-given RIGHT which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED EEEEVAAARRRRRRR" is now gone, up in smoke, suddenly not worth the paper it's printed on.

Little children don't even have the "right" to attend school safely and without fear, because some people - like you - think that their "right" to shoot cans off their porch like a stupid redneck jagoff is somehow more important.

It's not. The fact that you WANT it to be more important, so badly, simply makes you a Bad Person.

So, put simply, nobody has any "rights". None. Zero.

It's...

Not related to this in particular but I just wanted to say as a sort of "long time lurker" I really miss your posts on here man, always really entertaining no matter what the subject.
Thank you.

[Leo656]

What is a 2A? Sorry, but I don't talk in code; I speak and read English.

Your posts disagree. I'm convinced you type with your feet.

Not related to this in particular but I just wanted to say as a sort of "long time lurker" I really miss your posts on here man, always really entertaining no matter what the subject.
Thank you.

So, on Sunday I made almost a grand before taxes (thanks to being paid double time on weekends) while sitting in the AC all day, testing raw product for a well-known company that ships products all over the world. Their polymer is used in everything in your house. Part of my job is making sure it's in spec. I signed a ton of NDAs so I can't say more.

If Krang wants to pay me up to $700 per day to come here and argue with Actual Autists and other jokers, then maybe it will be worth my ever-dwindling free time.

But I appreciate your support.

[Iroh]

Your posts disagree. I'm convinced you type with your feet.



So, on Sunday I made almost a grand before taxes (thanks to being paid double time on weekends) while sitting in the AC all day, testing raw product for a well-known company that ships products all over the world. Their polymer is used in everything in your house. Part of my job is making sure it's in spec. I signed a ton of NDAs so I can't say more.

If Krang wants to pay me up to $700 per day to come here and argue with Actual Autists and other jokers, then maybe it will be worth my ever-dwindling free time.

But I appreciate your support.

I heard that! As a business owner myself, I can relate! The basement babies are wild in this thread! Keep up the great work and much success!

[member_removed]

Not related to this in particular but I just wanted to say as a sort of "long time lurker" I really miss your posts on here man, always really entertaining no matter what the subject.
Thank you.

I have also missed your level straight talking Leo. always a highlight when pop back in.

[Iroh]

Yeah. I love it when he can pop into a thread like this and shut it up due to the facts he dropped on some of the users in here. I was laughing my ass off. Fools become real quiet when their behaviors are exposed. :lol::lol:

[Mayhem]

Yeah. I love it when he can pop into a thread like this and shut it up due to the facts he dropped on some of the users in here. I was laughing my ass off. Fools become real quiet when their behaviors are exposed. :lol::lol:
Annnnnnnnd he’s been banned :lol:

[Bahamut810]

Yeah. I love it when he can pop into a thread like this and shut it up due to the facts he dropped on some of the users in here. I was laughing my ass off. Fools become real quiet when their behaviors are exposed. :lol::lol:

Sure. I actually started a response twice and both got really long. No one wants to read that. So we can keep it simple.

Your only argument is "Guns kill peoples!" and yes, when guns are available people use them to commit crimes. You cant ban things that can kill people just because they can kill people. There are about 21k gun crime deaths a year. That is bad. However, we protect ourselves with guns an estimated 500k~3M times a year. Both of us are safe from invasions from other nations because the USA is armed as we can project our power more freely because any other nation would be foolish to try to invade us. That's what the second amendment is for.

Do other countries have great things about them? Yes. I think we could learn a lot on politeness from Japan for instance. People in Japan are only safe because of the USA.

[Iroh]

Sure. I actually started a response twice and both got really long. No one wants to read that. So we can keep it simple.

Your only argument is "Guns kill peoples!" and yes, when guns are available people use them to commit crimes. You cant ban things that can kill people just because they can kill people. There are about 21k gun crime deaths a year. That is bad. However, we protect ourselves with guns an estimated 500k~3M times a year. Both of us are safe from invasions from other nations because the USA is armed as we can project our power more freely because any other nation would be foolish to try to invade us. That's what the second amendment is for.

Do other countries have great things about them? Yes. I think we could learn a lot on politeness from Japan for instance. People in Japan are only safe because of the USA.

Bro. Who said I had an argument? Are you one of the users that's typing with his feet? Read my quote again and you'll see I'm not saying anything on the garbage you're talking about. Hilarious.

[member_removed]

Annnnnnnnd he’s been banned :lol:

That's ****ed. so much for the 1A.

I didn't detect any hate speech in his posts.

[Iroh]

That's ****ed. so much for the 1A.

I didn't detect any hate speech in his posts.

Me neither.

[oldmanwinters]

I didn't detect any hate speech in his posts.

A mod cleaned up some of the more explicit stuff.

[Mayhem]

That's ****ed. so much for the 1A.

I didn't detect any hate speech in his posts.
The 1A just means the Government shouldn’t curtail your rights. Doesn’t mean anything about a privately held message board.

[Andrew NDB]

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[member_removed]

A mod cleaned up some of the more explicit stuff.

Fair point.

[ZariusTwo]

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It's funny how viral this has gone and how all of the mainstream media are covering it, but none of the big wrestling journals or YT channels have reported on it.

[Andrew NDB]

It's funny how viral this has gone and how all of the mainstream media are covering it, but none of the big wrestling journals or YT channels have reported on it.

Oh, they won't touch it. And he's probably blacklisted himself from whatever appearances he'd have had in... anything.

[Mayhem]

Oh, they won't touch it. And he's probably blacklisted himself from whatever appearances he'd have had in... anything.
Didn't he rather achieve that somewhat back in 2015 with that N filled rant caught on tape?

[Andrew NDB]

Didn't he rather achieve that somewhat back in 2015 with that N filled rant caught on tape?

Not for particularly long, no.

I do admire his sentiment, though. I tend to believe what he's saying. He probably did see the assassination attempt and just went, "You know what? F*** it. I'll speak at the RNC and whatever happens, happens."

[Coola Yagami]

Not for particularly long, no.

I do admire his sentiment, though. I tend to believe what he's saying. He probably did see the assassination attempt and just went, "You know what? F*** it. I'll speak at the RNC and whatever happens, happens."

More like "they try to assassinate Trump? that doesn't work for me, brother!"

[Cowabung-Gal]

Didn't he rather achieve that somewhat back in 2015 with that N filled rant caught on tape?

You ever listen to authentic rap nowadays?

[Mayhem]

You ever listen to authentic rap nowadays?
White guys say the N word and don't get gangbeaten as a result?

[Cowabung-Gal]

White guys say the N word and don't get gangbeaten as a result?

No, they just lose their livelihoods. Just one time and boom, you’re branded for life. Meanwhile, a black person could say the N word 500 times and they make tons of money? I mean, nobody should say it but what’s with the special treatment? Hold everyone accountable.

[Andrew NDB]

You ever listen to authentic rap nowadays?

That's almost an oxymoron these days.

[Andrew NDB]

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[oldmanwinters]

Florida men… what can we do?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-man-arrested-after-making-death-threats-against-biden/ar-BB1qazQ0

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-man-arrested-accused-of-making-threats-against-trump-vance-on-social-media/ar-BB1ql78Z

[Mayhem]

Florida men… what can we do?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-man-arrested-after-making-death-threats-against-biden/ar-BB1qazQ0

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-man-arrested-accused-of-making-threats-against-trump-vance-on-social-media/ar-BB1ql78Z
At least not partisan :P

[CyberCubed]

It's kinda weird how quickly the world moved on from this, this was only like a little over a week ago and now feels like it never happened. Trump was quite literally an inch away from being killed. Everything would be different if things just played out slightly differently.

[Andrew NDB]

For sure, without Trump there would have been zero calls from the left to remove Biden because they wouldn't need to. And Biden could have remained president for another 4 years in the basement.

[Bahamut810]

*Potentially* as long as 1. This is truthful and 2. A "Law enforcement agency" did their job right...the shooter may have been Biden supporter

https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1816180238918824255

[Mayhem]

*Potentially* as long as 1. This is truthful and 2. A "Law enforcement agency" did their job right...the shooter may have been Biden supporter

https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1816180238918824255
Last post 2021. He signed up to the Republican party later than this. So I'm not reading anything into any assertions that he was pro Biden, angry at Trump, or anything like that.

[Andrew NDB]

He only registered as a republican to vote against Trump in the primary in the state. We already know that.

[Bahamut810]

He only registered as a republican to vote against Trump in the primary in the state. We already know that.

I haven't seen that in the news. Do you have a link?

Dont get me wrong, I think you are correct all things considered but if it were conformed I would be interested to know.

[Mayhem]

He only registered as a republican to vote against Trump in the primary in the state. We already know that.
Do we? Or more supposition?

[TigerClaw]

They put that video in AI, And these were the results.

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[Wednesday's Serial]

It's kinda weird how quickly the world moved on from this, this was only like a little over a week ago and now feels like it never happened. Trump was quite literally an inch away from being killed. Everything would be different if things just played out slightly differently.

So close to a better world!

[Cowabung-Gal]

So close to a better world!

More like a bloody civil war.

[Zulithe]

More like a bloody civil war.
civil war against who and what exactly? the shooter was a 2nd amendment fetishist, guntuber fanboy and was registered republican. :lol:

This is why you aren't hearing about it anymore. Trump fans can't make an agenda out of it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

civil war against who and what exactly? the shooter was a 2nd amendment fetishist, guntuber fanboy and was registered republican. :lol:

This is why you aren't hearing about it anymore. Trump fans can't make an agenda out of it.

Well, Trump fans wouldn’t care about the shooter’s background. If he had succeeded, all they’d care about it is, “Our leader has just been killed, there’s no democracy in this country, and we’re not gonna sit back and take it anymore,” thus a civil war would happen between deep red and deep blue areas (I don’t use the word “state” because even the reddest of them have very blue cities, and the same applies to blue states with red cities).

Considering all the TDS people who cried and complained on social media about the shooter missing, including Jack Black’s band, you can just imagine how euphoric they would’ve been if the assassination was successful and how they’d rub it in the Trump fans’ faces, which would’ve only fanned the fires. And since a former firefighter was killed in the rally shooting, those same TDS people would’ve also been celebrating his death as well, and the Right is all about first responders so again, they wouldn’t find any reason to coexist with the other side.

The Right likes to joke about how weak the Left is when it comes to combat and they don’t believe there will be another civil war since a good portion of the Left is openly against the 2nd Amendment and therefore they couldn’t possibly own guns. Oh, but they do. Antifa is not against shooting someone whom they deem to be “fascists”; they’ve done it before. It would be a total bloodbath if there was another civil war.

Joke all you want, but it’s no laughing matter.

And you’re not “hearing about it anymore” because the media is sweeping it under the rug, and it’s election year.

[Bahamut810]

civil war against who and what exactly? the shooter was a 2nd amendment fetishist, guntuber fanboy and was registered republican. :lol:

This is why you aren't hearing about it anymore. Trump fans can't make an agenda out of it.

Has there been any new information come out about him? Last I saw there was a subpoena about him making Pro-Biden posts.

[Mayhem]

Not seen a scooby about him. Only was reminded that it had happened when Trump bulletproofed up at his latest rally.