2024 Olympic Summer Games

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

On Friday, the Olympic Summer Games in Paris, France will be inaugurated, though the men's soccer tournament will begin already on Wednesday and the women's ditto on Thursday.

Gone are now the Corona days, and spectators are welcome back. Paris also hosted the Summer Games in 1900 and 1924.

Russia is suspended for invading Ukraine.

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[The Deadman]

Both the mens US soccer AND rugby teams lost today. We're off to a great start lol.

[The Deadman]

US advanced to the quarterfinals in Rugby today. US womens soccer is on later on tonight as well.

[IndigoErth]

Whole opening was pretty good, despite everyone being soaking wet from the rain. lol

But really, most importantly, who the heck is the ghostly looking Assassin's Creed-ish masked figure?? I can't believe we didn't find out. :lol: I'm mad that we didn't see him(?) hand off the torch. (Or at least not here because NBC of course had to go to commercials.) Had hoped he'd meet up with the other one on the horse.

[Mayhem]

Rain, weird stuff, anything to do with Paris and/or France (including Phantom of the Opera musical which isn’t French of course), Lady Gaga with an antenna on her head, pink can can, everyone learning that French is weird with country names, and Celine Deon showing she still actually has it.

I don’t know if the hooded guy was an homage to Assassins Creed or not, but it would be a subtle tip of the hat to the fact that the modelling for the rebuild of Notre Dame was partly based off the accurate models created for the videogame.

[The Deadman]

Gojira was the best part of the entire opening.

[Mayhem]

Okay I was reminded of one fact re Greece and celebration in the opening ceremony, and that the Last Supper wasn’t being mocked as so many outraged online have spleen vented…


https://i.imgur.com/xCsgOPX.jpeg

[Cowabung-Gal]

Okay I was reminded of one fact re Greece and celebration in the opening ceremony, and that the Last Supper wasn’t being mocked as so many outraged online have spleen vented…


https://i.imgur.com/xCsgOPX.jpeg

Oh, please. Show one painting of a Bacchanal that has everyone sitting at a table in the same manner that Jesus and His disciples are in The Last Supper. We’re not stupid. Do you really buy this gaslighting?

And this isn’t the first time Pride has made fun of Christianity. I’d show you examples but due to the nudity and sexual content, I’d probably get in trouble with this site so all I can tell you is to google it yourself.

[hypered1]

Oh, please. Show one painting of a Bacchanal that has everyone sitting at a table in the same manner that Jesus and His disciples are in The Last Supper. We’re not stupid. Do you really buy this gaslighting?

And this isn’t the first time Pride has made fun of Christianity. I’d show you examples but due to the nudity and sexual content, I’d probably get in trouble with this site so all I can tell you is to google it yourself.

I give you Caravaggio's 'A Bacchanal with a company feasting and making music'

https://i.imgur.com/NMiuyNn.png

[Bahamut810]

Okay I was reminded of one fact re Greece and celebration in the opening ceremony, and that the Last Supper wasn’t being mocked as so many outraged online have spleen vented…


https://i.imgur.com/xCsgOPX.jpeg

So how much of the worlds mythology should americans be required to learn?

[Cowabung-Gal]

I give you Caravaggio's 'A Bacchanal with a company feasting and making music'

https://i.imgur.com/NMiuyNn.png

Show one painting of a Bacchanal that has everyone sitting at a table in the same manner that Jesus and His disciples are in The Last Supper.

Those don’t look like “Greek” figures to me. It looks more like a bunch of guys partying in the 16th century with one drunk guy attempting to dress like a Greek figure. And they’re not sitting at a long table all spread out.

Nice try. You know what they’re really trying to do.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Nice try. You know what they’re really trying to do.

Blaspheming against King Jesus Christ.

[hypered1]

Those don’t look like “Greek” figures to me. It looks more like a bunch of guys partying in the 16th century with one drunk guy attempting to dress like a Greek figure. And they’re not sitting at a long table all spread out.

Nice try. You know what they’re really trying to do.

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
bacchanal

LITERARY
noun
1.
a wild and drunken celebration.
"the event has morphed into one of the most shamelessly drunken bacchanals on the social calendar"
2.
a priest, worshipper, or follower of Bacchus.
adjective
another term for bacchanalian.

Has nothing specifically to do with Greece, ancient or otherwise.

So how much of the worlds mythology should americans be required to learn?

European schools teach it as part of history and geography classes between ages 7 and 12 as par for the course, so if anything it's more the pity that the US educational system is so poor when comes to learning about anything beyond your borders, particularly when you consider just how much influence the rest of the world has actually had when it comes to what is considered 'modern America'.

[IndigoErth]

Okay I automatically was guessing the horse on the water was an "Olympic spirit" symbol, but the Goddess of the Seine part makes it more awesome.

Assuming they're also talking about the runway bit... I never once thought "Last Supper." I don't think a row of people sitting at something that wasn't really even a table is enough to be any homage to that and probably had far more to do with the camera simply being stationed on the opposite side of what was said to be only a footbridge and thus limited space. The extravagant makeup, clothing and party vibe definitely falls in line with the bacchanalia thing.


So how much of the worlds mythology should americans be required to learn?
Not much, imo, but when unknown history and cultural stuff comes up it would probably be way more helpful if people were first and foremost more inclined to ask questions and Google stuff first, rather than make kneejerk assumptions and s*** themselves. (But there's always those who purposely love to find a reason to be outraged.)



Really though, the masked guy better turn up at the closing and be revealed. :tcool: Even if he's just a nobody, he clearly has gymnast training. No way is just some random person doing one-handed cartwheels so fluid like that with a torch in the other hand.

Assassins Creed suggestions aside, I kind of wondered if he was also the spirit of something, given the more ghost-like gauzy bits of his clothing and where he showed up in that spooky setting after the kids went through a shot of catacombs.

edit: Why did they cut this clip RIGHT there. :lol: Looks like he just falls badly onto a deck (or whatever that space is) -- the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRYhlZOVhJk

(But that lady can shut up with the fake enthusiasm.)

[Cowabung-Gal]

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
bacchanal
LITERARY
noun
1.
a wild and drunken celebration.
"the event has morphed into one of the most shamelessly drunken bacchanals on the social calendar"
2.
a priest, worshipper, or follower of Bacchus.
adjective
another term for bacchanalian.

Did you not see what their excuse in that post was? They said “it was a depiction of an ancient Greek Bacchanal.” The people in the painting you provided certainly weren’t living in ancient Greek times. And again, they weren’t posing at a long table in a way that mimics The Last Supper.

https://spzh.live/img/article/813/42_main-v1722068564.jpg

Also, is no one gonna talk about the underage kid taking part in this blatant display of hypersexuality? Come on, guys, a naked Greek god is singing on the table in front of a child while lying on a plate of food. I’m against child beauty pageants, I’m against the sexualization of kids in movies/TV, and I’m against this. Sue me.

Definitions from Oxford Languages
gas·light

verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting

manipulate (someone) using psychological methods into questioning their own sanity or powers of reasoning.

[Mayhem]

The painting of The Last Supper was based on the painting of The Wedding of Dionysus. Which depicts a bachannal and a Greek god. And hangs in the Louvre funnily enough. The big blue man with ivy was representing, surprise surprise, Dionysus.

So how much of the worlds mythology should americans be required to learn?
Enough to know the world doesn’t revolve around America or Christianity, and in fact there are a great many things, like Greek Gods, way older… but surely you know that from Hollywood movies?! And weirdly enough, this sort of thing is taught in schools in Europe, unlike evolution in the American South…

Blaspheming against King Jesus Christ.
So the opening ceremony was blasphemy, and yet this isn’t? :P


https://i.imgur.com/eS7JiIN.jpeg

[Iroh]

Yup. I saw that garbage on tiktok and I'm glad I wasn't a part of it by watching. All I saw was the still images shown here. I know for a fact that there was a major blackout in Paris after this mess took place. The Lord will judge this.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So the opening ceremony was blasphemy, and yet this isn’t? :P

You're right, that is Blasphemey too.

[Cowabung-Gal]

The painting of The Last Supper was based on the painting of The Wedding of Dionysus. Which depicts a bachannal and a Greek god. And hangs in the Louvre funnily enough. The big blue man with ivy was representing, surprise surprise, Dionysus.

What are you talking about? The Wedding of Dionysus and The Last Supper look nothing alike.

Also, are you admitting that they are in fact imitating The Last Supper?

Enough to know the world doesn’t revolve around America or Christianity, and in fact there are a great many things, like Greek Gods, way older… but surely you know that from Hollywood movies?! And weirdly enough, this sort of thing is taught in schools in Europe, unlike evolution in the American South…

I also learned from my school in the American South that Greek gods and goddesses were family members that made out with each other and made babies with mortals, like Hercules, who’s the illegitimate child of Zeus, who’s married to Hera, who’s also his sister. Now you see why Disney left that little detail out.

I also know that Christmas is actually a revised Christian version of Saturnalia, an ancient Roman pagan festival, which was why my old church refused to celebrate Christmas.


So the opening ceremony was blasphemy, and yet this isn’t? :P
https://i.imgur.com/eS7JiIN.jpeg

You think pointing out the tendencies of Trump-worshipping weirdos is gonna change the fact that a bunch of Pride weirdos made fun of Christianity in front of the whole world, which is only gonna cause support for the LGBTQ community to plummet even further?

[Bahamut810]

European schools teach it as part of history and geography classes between ages 7 and 12 as par for the course, so if anything it's more the pity that the US educational system is so poor when comes to learning about anything beyond your borders, particularly when you consider just how much influence the rest of the world has actually had when it comes to what is considered 'modern America'.

Enough to know the world doesn’t revolve around America or Christianity, and in fact there are a great many things, like Greek Gods, way older… but surely you know that from Hollywood movies?! And weirdly enough, this sort of thing is taught in schools in Europe, unlike evolution in the American South…

Yes, Americans have general history most of their 'careers' in school. We see it constantly on our streets, in our neighbors and media. You are asking America to teach its kids the history of the world is such detail that we recognize every single cultural reference that might come up...including a hyper-specific orgy festival dedicated to a 3rd string god from a long dead religion (who has had screen time in prominent movies). That is a bit much.

I am sure that schools in Europe don't expect you to memorize Ochpaniztli for instance, or the stories of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. If they do your kids have much better things to be learning. If they want to look on their own time, or in a specialized college thats on them.

[Mayhem]

No, more that we are hoping people actually do some quick Googling or research that what they think they are complaining about, isn’t actually what they want to complain about. A bit like the constant woke/liberal assertion they complain about everything… oh look the rabid right wing Christians doing it too, but oh, that’s okay for them to do it :roll:

[Mayhem]

In other news, looks like he’s actually German…!

https://i.imgur.com/Fb9oq3r.jpeg


What are you talking about? The Wedding of Dionysus and The Last Supper look nothing alike.

I got the reference right but the wrong painting… it was actually The Symposium of the Gods.

[hypered1]

Yes, Americans have general history most of their 'careers' in school. We see it constantly on our streets, in our neighbors and media. You are asking America to teach its kids the history of the world is such detail that we recognize every single cultural reference that might come up...including a hyper-specific orgy festival dedicated to a 3rd string god from a long dead religion (who has had screen time in prominent movies). That is a bit much.

I am sure that schools in Europe don't expect you to memorize Ochpaniztli for instance, or the stories of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. If they do your kids have much better things to be learning. If they want to look on their own time, or in a specialized college thats on them.

For the record I was taught about Crockett and Boone at school and I have passing knowledge of the Aztecs.

And I never suggested that anyone needs to be taught every minute detail of any subject, only that it's useful (as proven by this very thread) to have at least some knowledge of cultures other than your own.

My point is that Mayhem is correct that if people actually took the time to learn something instead of screaming at the merest shadow of a perceived slight we wouldn't have pointless discussions like this in thread which would've been 20-odd posts shorter if they had.

Further the IOC stands to gain absolutely nothing by directly insulting Christians so why would they? The table being arranged the way it was, was solely for the purpose of it being viewed and filmed from a single angle. They were celebrating the Greek heritage of the Olympics and that's it, nothing more, nothing less.

[Bahamut810]

No, more that we are hoping people actually do some quick Googling or research that what they think they are complaining about, isn’t actually what they want to complain about. A bit like the constant woke/liberal assertion they complain about everything… oh look the rabid right wing Christians doing it too, but oh, that’s okay for them to do it :roll:

Looking at the picture...yeah. If they are trying to say that the start of that was not a reference to The Last Supper they are liars (the kid is Judas funny enough). They may have ended with Dionysis but that image is one of the most famous ones in historically Christian nations (oh which France is one).

For the record I was taught about Crockett and Boone at school.

Then they wasted your time. Big time.

[Cowabung-Gal]

I got the reference right but the wrong painting… it was actually The Symposium of the Gods.

The painting of The Last Supper was based on the painting of The Wedding of Dionysus.

“The Last Supper” was done by Leonardo around 1498. "Le Festin des Dieux" was done by Jan Harmensz van Biljer around 1635.

Hardly anyone knows about the latter, but everyone knows about the former. You think they’d pick a lesser known painting for a big expensive show at the Olympics? Again, they’re gaslighting because it’s backfiring on them.

It’s like that time the Gay Men’s Choir sung “We’re Coming For Your Children” to make fun of the conservatives’ fears of the community being filled with p***philes, but it only made them look even worse.

[Bahamut810]

Now to clarify...I dont care that they they referenced it. I just had two points so far here...

1. You cant expect people to know about every single detail about every cultural item.

2. They are denying it because people got pissed. They need to own what they did rather then try to deny and say they did what they intended.

[The Deadman]

I feel like we should break away from the opening ceremonies now and talk about whats actually happening lol. Whos been watching so far?

[Warhorse]

Okay I was reminded of one fact re Greece and celebration in the opening ceremony, and that the Last Supper wasn’t being mocked as so many outraged online have spleen vented…


https://i.imgur.com/xCsgOPX.jpeg

Sorry, not buying it. Especially since the Olympic committee and the guy behind this had a public apology for it and not once said it was meant to be something else. And the director, Thomas Jolly, did admit in an interview that it was based on The Last Supper.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-thomas-jolly-olympics-opening-ceremonys-art-director-defends-last-supper-act-amid-massive-backlash-101722100094514.html

Either way, it doesn't excuse why there was some orgy in a library when this is supposed to be a show that is meant for families.

[IndigoErth]

I feel like we should break away from the opening ceremonies now and talk about whats actually happening lol. Whos been watching so far?

I've seen like a minute each of women on bikes and men's water volleyball.


edit: Supposedly this guy (https://youtu.be/B3VuubRrQ9I?si=BWhx_97Q-zmh8mLV), Simon Nogueira (https://metro.co.uk/2024/07/27/mystery-masked-olympic-torchbearer-revealed-deleted-instagram-post-21310715/), was one among a number of guys to play the masked torch carrier. Had a feeling there might be more than one, just based on the nature of getting around the city in the parts that were not pre-recorded, but not possibly as many as 12 with how similar build they all had.

Argue about the opening all you want, but the masked guy (or plural guys) were the best part. lol (Okay the mechanical horse on the water and that figure, too, were also cool.)

[Mayhem]

So far, a few medals for us, surprise loss in the swimming for Peaty, random Italian swam race of his life.

Now to clarify...I dont care that they they referenced it. I just had two points so far here...

1. You cant expect people to know about every single detail about every cultural item.

This bit I will somewhat agree with, but still hold to the please Google first part. I recognised the reference to Dionysus, but I had to go look up what the robot horse on the Seine was all about.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I've seen like a minute each of women on bikes and men's water volleyball.

Water volleyball :) exists, but has never been an Olympic event, like water polo.

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[member_removed]

People getting upset over drag queens and the like can we spare a minute for some outrage at an actual child rapist being allowed to compete at the Olympics.

It's ****ing disgusting. He should be banned for life. The crowd are right to boo him. People should walk out and let him play to an empty stadium.

Steven van de Velde, paedophile, convicted rapist and Olympian.

[Cowabung-Gal]

People getting upset over drag queens and the like can we spare a minute for some outrage at an actual child rapist being allowed to compete at the Olympics.

It's ****ing disgusting. He should be banned for life. The crowd are right to boo him. People should walk out and let him play to an empty stadium.

They also allow women beaters into the Olympics. Look what happened to that female boxer.

[member_removed]

People getting upset over drag queens and the like can we spare a minute for some outrage at an actual child rapist being allowed to compete at the Olympics.

It's ****ing disgusting. He should be banned for life. The crowd are right to boo him. People should walk out and let him play to an empty stadium.

Steven van de Velde, paedophile, convicted rapist and Olympian.

Forgot the link, FFS

https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-beach-volleyball-rapist-471cab52441719cc64ace97682d388bb

[Autbot_Benz]

French Pole Vaulter loses the gold medal for I **** you not his dick is to big and hits the pole as he vaults over it :lol:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/french-pole-vaulters-massive-penis-dashes-olympic-dreams

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Finally, the games were concluded yesterday.

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[The Deadman]

And now we know why Jordan Chiles had her medal taken away

https://www.sbnation.com/2024/8/14/24220233/jordan-chiles-bronze-stripped-cas-romania