Four states could secede from US, join Canada

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/four-states-could-secede-from-us-and-join-canada-to-avoid-trump-democrat/ar-AA1uZZO6?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=ed862cf52b3d4e0080d0b400ea1bbf2a&ei=15

Good. Do it.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Join the authoritarian, assisted-s**cide-promoting country that is Canada?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/a3/3f/b4a33fe054f1a209e69f56a7c65cdb3d.gif

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Awesome, make the USA more red.

[ToTheNines]

This will never happen lol. And if it did, it doesn’t make any sense to strand Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Maine like that.

[ResidentEvil7]

These are just 4 liberal crybaby states that can't deal with Trump for 4 years. How pathetic!

[ToTheNines]

These are just 4 liberal crybaby states that can't deal with Trump for 4 years. How pathetic!

Well the funny part is, for NY that’s not even true lol. Obviously you got NYC, but other than Albany, Ithaca, Syracuse and a couple other places, the whole state loves Trump.

If you drive through upstate long enough, you will see a LOT of yard signs supporting a movement for the state to split up so they can be separate from NYC and its neighboring counties.

[Vegita-San]

previously, I would have thought California should have been it's own country..but there was alot of red this time.

[IndigoErth]

These are just 4 liberal crybaby states that can't deal with Trump for 4 years. How pathetic!

The first four were already exhausting enough, at least for anyone who doesn't have a deeply irrational, insatiable hunger for bulls*** and hate, so I can see why some wish to opt out rather than deal with Part 2, though it's never going to happen. And even if it did... as if governments ever do anything fast. It might take so long to become a reality that we'd be on to the next presidency anyhow. (Which will prob have inevitability swung back to blue in a 'yuge' way.)

[Coola Yagami]

The first four were already exhausting enough, at least for anyone who doesn't have a deeply irrational, insatiable hunger for bulls*** and hate, so I can see why some wish to opt out rather than deal with Part 2, though it's never going to happen. And even if it did... as if governments ever do anything fast. It might take so long to become a reality that we'd be on to the next presidency anyhow. (Which will prob have inevitability swung back to blue in a 'yuge' way.)

But when all is said and done, nothing really happened in the first time. At last nothing that affected us in a major way. This time around things are a lot more serious with the tariffs, Project 2025 and now Mexico and Canada pulling back from wanting to work with us. In the grand scheme of things, the things we might face the next four years make the first time around just amount to 'mean tweets' in comparison.

[Andrew NDB]

Well the funny part is, for NY that’s not even true lol. Obviously you got NYC, but other than Albany, Ithaca, Syracuse and a couple other places, the whole state loves Trump.

Same as my state, WA (which I'm surprised isn't on that list of whiny bitch states). Seattle and Olympia are one thing, but over half of the state toward the east is all red.

[IndigoErth]

But when all is said and done, nothing really happened in the first time.
I mean, we still exist as a nation, if that's good enough. I grew sick of all the nasty rhetoric, hate, bad handling of a pandemic, attack on the Capitol, etc... all the stuff that's all just a bad ball of garbage collectively in the end. At least you feel concerned about some of it this time, I guess.

I do agree it could be worse. I'm most concerned that since Trump doesn't have to worry about being reelectable, the already barely existent guardrails are off. Esp considering the kind of people he seems to be wanting to pick who probably won't care in the least.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean, we still exist as a nation, if that's good enough. I grew sick of all the nasty rhetoric, hate, bad handling of a pandemic, attack on the Capitol, etc... all the stuff that's all just a bad ball of garbage collectively in the end.



And yet... we're all still here. I mean, even J6 ended up being nothing. I legit thought were were gonna go to war. I kept watching the TV, worried about what was about to happen to the country.. waiting.... and waiting... and waiting... and then... it just ended and nothing of consequence actually happened. I legit thought we were gonna hear some of them make some demands or threats or something. Stuff like 'either you recount/install Trump as president or we'll kill everyone here/blow up the building', something actually scary like that. Instead we got.... guy walking around with antlers?

No matter what you say about the 2016 term, we're all still here. This time though, we might not be so lucky.

[Andrew NDB]

And yet... we're all still here. I mean, even J6 ended up being nothing. I legit thought were were gonna go to war. I kept watching the TV, worried about what was about to happen to the country.. waiting.... and waiting... and waiting... and then... it just ended and nothing of consequence actually happened. I legit thought we were gonna hear some of them make some demands or threats or something. Stuff like 'either you recount/install Trump as president or we'll kill everyone here/blow up the building', something actually scary like that.

Jesus, man. Now I'm understanding you a little better. But f***. Why? How? Based on what?

[oldmanwinters]

I'm surprised more states haven't followed Nebraska/Maine and moved to a split of some electoral votes based on particular districts, regardless of political leanings. I didn't know Nebraska had that in place since 1972 and Maine since 1992 but there hadn't been any split electoral votes in presidential elections until 2008 (Nebraska) and 2016 (Maine).

[ToTheNines]

And yet... we're all still here. I mean, even J6 ended up being nothing. I legit thought were were gonna go to war. I kept watching the TV, worried about what was about to happen to the country.. waiting.... and waiting... and waiting... and then... it just ended and nothing of consequence actually happened. I legit thought we were gonna hear some of them make some demands or threats or something. Stuff like 'either you recount/install Trump as president or we'll kill everyone here/blow up the building', something actually scary like that. Instead we got.... guy walking around with antlers?

No matter what you say about the 2016 term, we're all still here. This time though, we might not be so lucky.

With what weapons would they have killed anyone with?

[Coola Yagami]

With what weapons would they have killed anyone with?

I didn't know that then. Watching the news live as it was happening, I was assuming they were heavily armed.

I mean you remember how it felt watching it live, don't you?

[Coola Yagami]

Jesus, man. Now I'm understanding you a little better. But f***. Why? How? Based on what?

Dude it's easily to look back and comment now. But back then as it was happening live, we had no way of predicting what was gonna happen.

[ToTheNines]

I didn't know that then. Watching the news live as it was happening, I was assuming they were heavily armed.

I remember you remember how it felt watching it live, don't you?

I remember vividly. The best the mainstream media could come up with was finding a couple of pictures of some young guy carrying…. *gulp*…. Zip ties!

Other than him it was a bunch of boomers in Trump merch walking around after literally being let in by the capitol police.

[Coola Yagami]

I remember vividly. The best the mainstream media could come up with was finding a couple of pictures of some young guy carrying…. *gulp*…. Zip ties!

Other than him it was a bunch of boomers in Trump merch walking around after literally being let in by the capitol police.

Yeah but didn't all that come out.... afterwards?

[Mayhem]

And yet... we're all still here. I mean, even J6 ended up being nothing. I legit thought were were gonna go to war. I kept watching the TV, worried about what was about to happen to the country.. waiting.... and waiting... and waiting... and then... it just ended and nothing of consequence actually happened. I legit thought we were gonna hear some of them make some demands or threats or something. Stuff like 'either you recount/install Trump as president or we'll kill everyone here/blow up the building', something actually scary like that. Instead we got.... guy walking around with antlers?
The whole point of J6 was to invade the building and prevent Biden’s confirmation as president.

[IndigoErth]

Even if some internet wackos salivate over the idea of a new civil war, and were really hopped up on that idea a handful of years ago...honestly, I don't feel like this nation even has it in it to do it. Localized riots and conflicts, sure, but nationally? Nah. Who has time for it? Most people are probably either too busy, too lazy, too tired, and/or really don't want to see that happen to this nation, nor be involved.

Many of those who'd actually want it and would jump right in are probably those wackos and basement dwellers looking for a purpose. Edgelords who own $20 mall wall hanger 'katanas,' imagining themselves some kind of badass, or other weapon stockpiles fit for a zombie apocalypse.


Even if January 6th didn't culminate in all that some people may have hoped for, it's really not the kind of events we need more of in the history books, and there's nothing to say that it can't embolden people to be worse another time.

[CyberCubed]

The U.S. population is over 330 million, a handful (in the thousands at best?) aren't going to make a difference. It's impossible in the modern day to have any real civil war anyway, you'd have to have half the states form their own militia and that's not happening,

[ToTheNines]

Yeah but didn't all that come out.... afterwards?

No it was pretty obvious to me immediately. I think everyone’s take on it probably has to do with how biased the media they’re relying on is.

The whole point of J6 was to invade the building and prevent Biden’s confirmation as president.

Jesus. How soft can you be? This is an insurrection: https://www.britannica.com/event/2021-Myanmar-coup-d-etat

Real weapons, real soldiers, real strategy, real results. Not a literal clown show with hicks on diabetes meds.

[Barkworm]

Jesus. How soft can you be? This is an insurrection: https://www.britannica.com/event/2021-Myanmar-coup-d-etat

Real weapons, real soldiers, real strategy, real results. Not a literal clown show with hicks on diabetes meds.
So it doesn't count as attempted insurrection because the guys behind it were too stupid? Okay.

[ToTheNines]

So it doesn't count as attempted insurrection because the guys behind it were too stupid? Okay.

Because they weren’t armed or organized. They had no real plan.

[Coola Yagami]

Because they weren’t armed or organized. They had no real plan.

Weren't they supposed to find and kill Mike Pence since he was ignoring Trump's order to 'stop the count' or something of that affect?

[ToTheNines]

Weren't they supposed to find and kill Mike Pence since he was ignoring Trump's order to 'stop the count' or something of that affect?

Ok, but again with what weapons?

I also would like to point out that they had zero leadership (other than the capitol police opening doors for them lol). Trump said “fight like hell” or whatever, dipped out, then got on twitter and told everyone to go home and be peaceful.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m extremely left wing and voted Green Party this year. Not a Trump guy, I just don’t fall for the media BS.

[IndigoErth]

Weren't they supposed to find and kill Mike Pence since he was ignoring Trump's order to 'stop the count' or something of that affect?
Yup, there's videos of people there that day threatening harm to him or directly saying to hang him, and many chanting to bring him out (which prob would have ended very badly), since he didn't listen to Trump and do what he legally could not do in Trump's favor.


There WAS that gallows and noose constructed on the Capitol grounds that day... Some sign posted on it seen in wider shots stated "this is art," but that matters little if it helps get ideas in people's heads and is potentially functional. "Art" is just as easily an excuse in that case as someone being an asshole to you and then excuses it as "joking."


Still amazes me that Pence continued to bow down later and never really spoke out, tiptoeing delicately around with what little he dared say, despite the real threat to his own life. What, afraid that the voters you like to appeal to, but now want to hang you, won't support you anymore if you say too much? That's like some crazy kind of political Stockholm syndrome...

[Vegita-San]

The whole point of J6 was to invade the building and prevent Biden’s confirmation as president.

if they wanted to do that, they'd have brought ammunition with them.
try again.

[ToTheNines]

if they wanted to do that, they'd have brought ammunition with them.
try again.

Seeems pretty obvious doesn’t it?

[ToTheNines]

I see states are just fleeing the union, left and right.

[Bluelightsaber]

I see states are just fleeing the union, left and right.

Bro, you're kind of late to the party, this thread is from 2024

[Barkworm]

I see states are just fleeing the union, left and right.
Right, instead the US are trying to persuade other countries to join (who in their right mind would want to join this **** show?) while the bit of protest against oligarchy is laughable.

[ToTheNines]

Bro, you're kind of late to the party, this thread is from 2024

I’m aware. I’m just pointing out how laughable this was in hindsight.

Right, instead the US are trying to persuade other countries to join (who in their right mind would want to join this **** show?) while the bit of protest against oligarchy is laughable.

lol touché