Overrated movies & TV shows?

[Andrew NDB]

I've got some:

* The Batman.

* Smallville.

* All those NCIS/Law & Order Shows. All of them.

* Grey's Anatomy. It SUCKS.

* 4Kids TMNT cartoon.

[ToTheNines]

* 4Kids TMNT cartoon.

Damn dude. The dick riding of this show over at the TMNT subreddit is almost as bad as it is for Last Ronin.

I have love for the show because I was still a youngster when it came out, but these MFs act like it’s The Wire or something. It’s a competent children’s action show but that’s it. They pulled a lot of punches (literally and figuratively) and BUTCHERED several Mirage stories.

Again, I like it and have nostalgia for that era but people gotta take it off the pedestal.

[TheUltimateBum]

Stuff like Superman: The Animated Series and Spectacular Spider-Man get so much praise and yet, they just annoyed me. There are better shows with these characters, and yet they don't get enough attention.

[ToTheNines]

Off the top of my head:

Thor: Ragnarok. It was like if SNL had a big budget for a Thor episode. And conversely, it drives me nuts when people act like Thor: The Dark World was bad… it’s by far the best Thor film not counting any Avengers stuff.

Forrest Gump. Laughably bad.

The Polar Express. Maybe I hate Tom Hanks?

The Irishman. Get of Scorsese’s nuts. It stunk!


This is my big one: Scarface. Such a boring, corny, dogshit movie. People think it’s badass though. I don’t get it.

Stuff like Superman: The Animated Series and Spectacular Spider-Man get so much praise and yet, they just annoyed me. There are better shows with these characters, and yet they don't get enough attention.

Guilty lol. Love them both.

[Andrew NDB]

Forrest Gump. Laughably bad.

C'mon, man.

This is my big one: Scarface. Such a boring, corny, dogshit movie. People think it’s badass though. I don’t get it.

Maybe it's much cooller to like it when you're like 19, 20 and maybe eons ago now, but it's still a damn cool movie. Even if it makes Colombians look not so great.

[CyberCubed]

Star Wars Andor is a big one. People were hailing it as not only the best Star Wars TV show Disney made, but one of the best pieces of media in Star Wars history. I found a lot of it kind of boring, Season 2 is coming out soon but I don't think it'll be any different.

There's a lot of big serious movies I found boring, like Oppenheimer is a big recent one. I mean I understand why it's "critically acclaimed" so to speak, but it's just not for me. A lot of other serious biopic movies based on real events I find really dull to sit through even when they're considered some of the best movies ever made.

[Anarchistguy]

My turn:

- 1994 Spider-Man cartoon
- 1987 TMNT cartoon
- Sonic SatAM and Sonic X
- Every modern crime show
- Modern Family

[TheUltimateBum]

Guilty lol. Love them both.

Yeah, I really didn't. I felt other shows did much better with the characters than those (the 50's Adventures of Superman show is pretty much what I consider the best Superman show, it's simple, but it has a likeable cast and really entertaining stories, and when I saw the 77 Spider-Man live-action show, I was more pleased than I thought I would be).

[Mad Dog McMutt]

I think 2001 A Space Odyssey is a very super overrated movie. I went into it expecting to be blown away, but what I got was boredom. Don't even get me started on that terrible super ambiguous ending.

[Autbot_Benz]

Christopher Nolan Batman movies. Everyone loves these movies but I just find Chris Nolan's Batman movies really boring. I hate realistic takes on Batman.

Zack Snyder's DC Movies. Very long overprentious nonsense. he doesn't get the DC heroes at all and it showed cause he got sacked after BVS .

[sdp]

TMNT movie 1990

Avatar the last Airbender

Batman TAS

They're good but the internet gets an erection talking about them. They aren't that great. Just above average kids media.

Super Mario Bros The Movie - I think people were just happy to see Mario done right. but at the end of the day it's not some classic movie, it's just a good Mario movie but there's not too much substance in there.


Batman Beyond might be getting a bit overrated but it's indeed great, especially if we don't count the JLU episodes/finale it gave the series, even as good as Return of the Joker is the show works better without it. They did mess up not having Blight show up at least one more time. I also really wanted that black girl to become Robin eventually.

Korra is ok, just a huge letdown. I don't think it's overrated, no one really talks about it. And when they do it's to defend it on why it's good.

[ZariusTwo]

TMNT 2012: Tryhard edgy plots and Dogs*it animation that makes anything from AKOM look like AKIRA

TMNT Mutant Mayhem/Tales of TMNT: Definitely two things people will look back on in a decade and cringe at ever liking.

Batman Beyond: First season is amazing, but they peaked when they wrapped up Blight's arc and then never used him again. There's one or two good ones after that in the next couple of seasons but the rest is just eh. I don't even think Return of the Joker is all that great or important, and the coda for the show in JLU was an absolute joke that retroactively made the whole thing worse.

Digimon isn't that great of a franchise. Adventure 01 and Tamers are it's only good series.

Transformers Prime: It's a Kurtzman production. 'Nuff said.

Korra: If it weren't for the existing fanbase for the far superior Avatar, as well as the lesbo pandering, this show would have been left best forgotten.

The Spider-Verse Movies: I like them, but they're above-average and I really only enjoy Peter B Parker, Miguel and Baby May in the whole thing. More interested in them than Miles and Gwen.

[neatoman]

I would say the Force Awakens... But after ten years I think people have largely accepted that it wasn't very good.

[ToTheNines]

I would say the Force Awakens... But after ten years I think people have largely accepted that it wasn't very good.

I’ll never watch it again, but I still maintain that it was a good time at the movies and it was nice to have Star Wars back. But it was only “good” based on the promise of Luke coming back for the sequel… and we all know now that went.

I can’t explain the embarrassment and frustration I felt sitting through The Last Jedi with my father. The man who took me to see the OT in 1997.


SAD!

[drgon78]

Some movies that come to mind...

Avatar movies
Avengers End Game
Barbie movie
Black Panther
Forest Gump
Inception
Joker
Pulp Fiction
The Blair Witch Project
The Hunger Games
The Lion King movies(all of them)
The Spiderverse movies
Titanic
Wicked

Some TV shows that come to mind...

30 Rock
Friends
Game of Thrones
Grey's Anatomy
How I met Your Mother
Lost
Modern Family
Seinfeld
Sex and The City
Stranger Things
The Big Bang Theory
The walking Dead
The Office
TMNT(anything after the 2012 series)
Two and Half Men

[CyberCubed]

There's nothing wrong with Batman Beyond, they were going for a Buffy vibe with stand-alone stories and problems with Terry's school or classmates over just making a bland superhero show in the future. I watch it every few years and it holds up.

Legend of Korra was criticized even when it aired, most people view it as a step down from Avatar. It has some solid seasons (1, 3 and 4), but they introduced way too many secondary characters and even most of the main cast are underused like Asami and the brothers. Tenzin was the only truly great character in the show.

[Andrew NDB]

I've always thought the idea of Batman Beyond was way cooler than maybe the reality of it.

I saw a few episodes when it first came out and found it pretty good, but I wasn't like swept away or anything.

[ZariusTwo]

I've always thought the idea of Batman Beyond was way cooler than maybe the reality of it.

I saw a few episodes when it first came out and found it pretty good, but I wasn't like swept away or anything.

Like I said in the post, first season is great, then they did away with the lead villain and everything became "monster of the week" with no real overarcing threat. There were still good episodes, but it was all self-contained and nothing led anywhere.

Return of the Joker was the first time since that first season where anything actually mattered. I was addicted to that film when it came out, but over time I just find it a passable two parter and not the ending the show deserved.

And DC keep screwing up the premise whenever they bring it back as a comic. At one point they killed Terry and Tim Drake was in the suit during the New 52 and they had to timewarp that out of existence.

[ToTheNines]

C'mon, man.

Dude watch it again. They just cram the nostalgia down your throat. New source music every 60 seconds. There’s some good humor and heartfelt moments but it’s a rough watch.

TMNT 2012: Tryhard edgy plots and Dogs*it animation that makes anything from AKOM look like AKIRA

At least it had plots, unlike the Fred Wolf show lol. Also… the FW fanboy is talking about dogshite animation? What?


- Modern Family

First 3 seasons or so were great. It definitely fell off though. But I don’t judge sitcoms very harshly.

[ZariusTwo]

At least it had plots, unlike the Fred Wolf show lol.

Last I checked the FW toon has been the one selected for a full rerun on MyToonTV over all the ones with plots, must be doing something right?:roll:

FW had cheapo animation, big whoop, so did everything else not backed by Warner at the time. Doesn't mean the bar has to lowered twenty years later.

[ToTheNines]

Last I checked the FW toon has been the one selected for a full rerun on MyToonTV over all the ones with plots, must be doing something right?:roll:

Am I supposed to know what that is? :lol:

The 2012 show just got a posthumous tie-in console release, as well as Playmates re-issues last year... with a premium NECA line on the way. What's your point?

Nostalgia sells.

FW had cheapo animation, big whoop, so did everything else not backed by Warner at the time. Doesn't mean the bar has to lowered twenty years later.

I think the 2012 show has great animation that still holds up 10+ years later and you can clearly tell the animators, art department, writers, etc. all put a lot of care into the final product.

I have a lot of love for the FW show, but you can't deny it was just hastily put together in almost every respect. Which in a way is part of its charm, I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

I have a lot of love for the FW show, but you can't deny it was just hastily put together in almost every respect. Which in a way is part of its charm, I guess.

The only real difference between the 4Kids show and Fred Wolf is that the 4Kids people at least somewhat pretended to listen to Peter Laird's notes occasionally -- barely -- and Fred Wolf never did.

[ToTheNines]

The only real difference between the 4Kids show and Fred Wolf is that the 4Kids people at least somewhat pretended to listen to Peter Laird's notes occasionally -- barely -- and Fred Wolf never did.

Lol, true.

My toy commercial is better than yours!

[Coola Yagami]

The only real difference between the 4Kids show and Fred Wolf is that the 4Kids people at least somewhat pretended to listen to Peter Laird's notes occasionally -- barely -- and Fred Wolf never did.

Fred Wolf got notes? What were they? Turtles good. Shredder bad. Figure out the rest.

[Andrew NDB]

Fred Wolf got notes? What were they?

I vaguely remember something about them trying to "right the ship" with Fred Wolf but it was always just them hitting a brick wall.

[Coola Yagami]

"How big do you want April's boobs to be?"
"Yes".

[FredWolfLeonardo]

FW tmnt season 1 is overrated but the middle seasons are underrated.

[CyberCubed]

This thread needs to be locked. :lol:

[ToTheNines]

"How big do you want April's boobs to be?"
"Yes".

Haha

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FW tmnt season 1 is overrated but the middle seasons are underrated.

Seasons 3 and 7 are goat.

[Andrew NDB]

Now we're talking. :)

That reminds me, who was it who got banned from here because they went on a random rant about the pr0n April's pubic hair?

[Coola Yagami]

Wtf????? Where was I during this????

[Andrew NDB]

Wtf????? Where was I during this????

Here. It was only like a year ago, two, tops. I think it was a lady. Or sdp, when he was pretending to be one. I don't remember now.

[ToTheNines]

This thread needs to be locked. :lol:

Now we're talking. :)

We are so back. It’s 2015 again.


That reminds me, who was it who got banned from here because they went on a random rant about the pr0n April's pubic hair?

Haha damn. Someone needs to dig this up.

[ZariusTwo]

I think the 2012 show has great animation that still holds up 10+ years later and you can clearly tell the animators, art department, writers, etc. all put a lot of care into the final product.

You do you. This is the "overated" thread, so I don't see why you have to gatekeep and police my comment that TMNT 2012 is overrated. I didn't go after Anarchistguy who said FW was overrated

[ToTheNines]

I’m not gatekeeping. This is a discussion forum, so I’m discussing why you’re wrong lol.

[ZariusTwo]

I’m not gatekeeping. This is a discussion forum, so I’m discussing why you’re wrong lol.

I gave my opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't convince me I'm wrong.

I consider TMNT 2012 overrated, per the subject of the thread, and that's all there is to it. I'm not interested in debating it.

[ToTheNines]

I gave my opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't convince me I'm wrong.

I consider TMNT 2012 overrated, per the subject of the thread, and that's all there is to it. I'm not interested in debating it.

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[MrPliggins]

First thing that comes to mind is Spider-man: No Way Home. I enjoyed it, but a real plot was basically replaced by fan service. And all the talk of the old Spider-Men returning for more movies seems like overkill. They had their time. Maguire is like 50 now and Spider-Man is never 50. Let’s move forward.

[ZariusTwo]

Spider-Man is never 50. Let’s move forward.

There was one short story in 2022 set in a future where Peter's still active as Spidey in his 60s.

[ToTheNines]

Here. It was only like a year ago, two, tops. I think it was a lady. Or sdp, when he was pretending to be one. I don't remember now.

I did some searching, but it was sdp. He got temp banned and the post was deleted, unfortunately.

[TheUltimateBum]

I gave my opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't convince me I'm wrong.

I like this reply. A lot of people say "No, you're wrong" when you state an opinion, but an opinion is not something that everyone shares, so it can't be right or wrong, but if you feel strongly about it, that's what's important.

[ToTheNines]

Hey our favorite versions high fived about it. It’s squashed lol

[LeotheLateBloomer]

TMNT Mutant Mayhem/Tales of TMNT: Definitely two things people will look back on in a decade and cringe at ever liking.

I'll give you Mutant Mayhem but I don't think anyone is watching Tales.


- 1987 TMNT cartoon
- Sonic SatAM and Sonic X

FW I feel is more overexposed than overrated. SatAM I agree on and Sonic X is one of those shows I think varies on the mood.

[IMJ]

I gave my opinion. You can disagree, but it doesn't convince me I'm wrong.

I consider TMNT 2012 overrated, per the subject of the thread, and that's all there is to it. I'm not interested in debating it.

:lol:

Talk about grasping at straws for power. I mean.... you weren't interested in debating it, but you replied debating the semantics of it.

I've run into this before.... :lol: "Nothing you can say will convince me I'm wrong and if you try I won't listen to you". :lol: I don't even think anyone was trying to tell you that you were wrong. Take your Xanax, man. And take it before you reply arguing with me too.

I like this reply. A lot of people say "No, you're wrong" when you state an opinion, but an opinion is not something that everyone shares, so it can't be right or wrong, but if you feel strongly about it, that's what's important.

Probably would've been a more normalized, well adjusted reply to say "that's cool - it didn't do it for me though." than to include the "nothing you can say will change my mind" savant-level defense. People only say "I'm aren't interested in debating it" when they've been challenged to the core and are on the verge of bugging up. Sometimes it's prescient, but in this case? Way early and way misaligned.

Super Mario Bros The Movie - I think people were just happy to see Mario done right. but at the end of the day it's not some classic movie, it's just a good Mario movie but there's not too much substance in there.

One one had I'm glad I saw it. On the other hand it took me two sittings to get through it. I actually think a 100%-lore embraced Zelda movie would translate better than the world Mario inhabits did. But.... I dunno... it was Mario done correctly so that's cool for anyone who truly loved it.

FW I feel is more overexposed than overrated.

Hm. I had to pause and give this gem of an observation some consideration for a minute. There's definitely something to that.

[ResidentEvil7]

Here are my overrated movies list:

The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy
The Hobbit Trilogy
Forrest Gump
Gladiator
Batman
Superman
Spiderman
Wonder Woman
Armageddon
Barbie
Apollo 13
The Ten Commandments
The Black Panther movies
Titanic

I felt the Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit trilogies were too long and had too much CGI even for their times. The only sword and sorcery fantasy movies I like are the Conan movies and Red Sonja. I put Gladiator on my list and it's because I only liked the second half of the movie when Russell Crowe fights in the battle arena. I didn't quite care of the politics and the winter war during the first half.

I was never into any cape super hero movies or shows. The closest to a super hero movie I like is the original Turtles trilogy.

When it came to movies that takes place in space, I preferred the 6 main Star Wars movies; Spaceballs; Planet Of The Apes series and Deep Impact.

Barbie was too girly and too much sissy pink and feminism. I'm a guy, I don't do pink girly Barbie movies. Oooh, oooh, god!

[TheUltimateBum]

Probably would've been a more normalized, well adjusted reply to say "that's cool - it didn't do it for me though." than to include the "nothing you can say will change my mind" savant-level defense. People only say "I'm aren't interested in debating it" when they've been challenged to the core and are on the verge of bugging up. Sometimes it's prescient, but in this case? Way early and way misaligned.

Hmmm... that's pretty logical, I guess. I think the whole right or wrong thing is what at times bugs me (since when people say something to the effect of "you're wrong" instead of "fair, even if it didn't do it for me" does kind of get me a bit boiled at times), but yeah, you do give me something to think about.

I felt the Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit trilogies were too long and had too much CGI even for their times.

I didn't like these either. Honestly, I always preferred the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movie and the 1981 BBC radio drama over the Jackson movies.

And also, the Raimi Spider-Man movie never did it for me either. They just didn't work for me at all and even back when I was a youngin, it felt like stale milk for me. And honestly, I don't think Raimi was the right person for Spider-Man, his style just felt too grand.

[CyberCubed]

I was never that big a fan of the Lord of the Rings either, granted I didn't see them for the first time till like a decade after they came out so I missed being in the huge fad excitement for them. Then when I saw them I realize most of it was just the main protagonist being useless and Gollum just trying to grab a ring for 3 movies in a row to die in lava. And then some wizard guy fighting some other wizard guy.

[Coola Yagami]

For people saying Mario was too simple I liked the brotherhood themes, the Mario/DK rivalry and Mario learning everything.

I especially like the final scene where Mario was trying to save Luigi as he always does that he was surprised that Luigi was protecting him. Having a brother, those scenes resonated with me.

[Barkworm]

I was never a big fan of Nolan‘s Batman films or just his films in general. Spider-Man 2 also comes to mind. Also Django Unchained, I only watched it once when it came out and thought it was a mess overall.

[Andrew NDB]

Ah, I forgot -- X-Men 2 (AKA "X2: X-Men United"). HUGELY overrated. People acted like it was this amazing breakthrough superhero movie but it wasn't. It was BORING and tiny and lame.

[IMJ]

Ah, I forgot -- X-Men 2 (AKA "X2: X-Men United"). HUGELY overrated. People acted like it was this amazing breakthrough superhero movie but it wasn't. It was BORING and tiny and lame.

Yup. A whole success built around the immediate reels from a single setpiece where Wolverine impales a guy....

[Barkworm]

I still like X2, probably BECAUSE it feels rather small. It feels more like an episode of a TV show than an ‘epic‘ and that‘s generally something I enjoy instead of making everything bigger, flashier and noisier.

[Andrew NDB]

I still like X2, probably BECAUSE it feels rather small. It feels more like an episode of a TV show than an ‘epic‘ and that‘s generally something I enjoy instead of making everything bigger, flashier and noisier.

I was waiting for them to deliver big, massive scale mutant fighting like in the comics and even the cartoon. Which X3 finally delivered, albeit a little stupidly, but at least it delivered.

[ZariusTwo]

Take your Xanax, man. And take it before you reply arguing with me too.

All's good man. I recognised I was being an over-defensive clown and already apologized to 'Nines. :)

[ToTheNines]

BIG one that I can’t believe I forgot to mention. The Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, especially Spider-Man 2.

They have their moments, but overall those movies are so corny, poorly acted and completely miss the mark of the spirit of the comics.


Ah, I forgot -- X-Men 2 (AKA "X2: X-Men United"). HUGELY overrated. People acted like it was this amazing breakthrough superhero movie but it wasn't. It was BORING and tiny and lame.

Yeah weren’t we just talking about this recently? The same type of people that will tell you Incredible Hulk and Thor 2 are bad act like X2 should have received an Oscar lol.

I still like X2, probably BECAUSE it feels rather small. It feels more like an episode of a TV show than an ‘epic‘ and that‘s generally something I enjoy instead of making everything bigger, flashier and noisier.

It still sucked. It had a couple cool fight scenes but that’s it. Wolverine’s big reaction to Jean’s death was totally unearned. They barely knew each other.

[ZariusTwo]

It still sucked. It had a couple cool fight scenes but that’s it. Wolverine’s big reaction to Jean’s death was totally unearned. They barely knew each other.

Yeah, they should have taken advantage of Halle Berry's raised profile in the movie and focused on developing Logan and Storm as a couple. One of the deleted scenes from Days of Future Past revealed they got together eventually, so they should have dealt with establishing that in this one.

[TheUltimateBum]

BIG one that I can’t believe I forgot to mention. The Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, especially Spider-Man 2.

They have their moments, but overall those movies are so corny, poorly acted and completely miss the mark of the spirit of the comics.

Yeah, even back when I was a kid, I just didn't feel these movies were for me.

[neatoman]

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[CyberCubed]

Like over half the James Bond movies honestly aren't very good.

[ZariusTwo]

Like over half the James Bond movies honestly aren't very good.

Most of the Roger Moore ones are pretty bad. Guy sent himself up way too much and never actually played Bond

Sean had about three good ones (FRWL, Thunderball, and YOLT), Brosnan only has Goldeneye, with Craig it's either Casino Royale or Skyfall (and the latter's only because of Judi Dench), i think the best Bonds are Lazenby and Dalton.

[ToTheNines]

What ever happened to Jarrah White?

[Antoniocafe]

I'm gonna say the movie Top Gun. It had a really good soundtrack. But whenever I watch the movie, I don't see what people love so much about it.

[ZariusTwo]

What ever happened to Jarrah White?

I still follow him around on Youtube, he posts a lot of Moon Landing hoax videos and wrote a novel about a fictional spy involved in January 6th

[Andrew NDB]

I'm gonna say the movie Top Gun. It had a really good soundtrack. But whenever I watch the movie, I don't see what people love so much about it.

I'm kind of with you on that. Though the sequel retroactively -- somehow -- makes me like it a lot more.

Like over half the James Bond movies honestly aren't very good.

I wouldn't say that. I can probably count on 1 hand the number of actual stinkers in the whole franchise. Now, there's ones that don't quite hit that PEAK James Bond™ level, but are still overall pretty OK (kind of like both Dalton movies).

[ToTheNines]

and wrote a novel about a fictional spy involved in January 6th

:lol: that ****ing rules! Glad to know he’s still out there.

[TheUltimateBum]

Like over half the James Bond movies honestly aren't very good.

Honestly, it really depends on the fan. You ask a Bond fan which movie is his or her favorite and you get a large amount of answers.

The problem I have with some of the Bond movies that I disliked is that they just dragged a lot (I found Thunderball to be extremely boring with the only scene that really excited me being the final fight, whereas the unofficial movie Never Say Never Again was pretty much the opposite in that the movie did entertain me, but the finale was weak), felt like clumsy attempts to modernize (Quantum of Solace with its weird editing) or were just dated on arrival (Man With the Golden Gun and Die Another Day just felt that way to me).

I have seen all the Bond movies, and even the ones I like the most I admit aren't perfect.

[member_removed]

I'm gonna say the movie Top Gun. It had a really good soundtrack. But whenever I watch the movie, I don't see what people love so much about it.


Yep, it's bunch of grey planes fighting grey planes. With a bit homoerotic volleyball thrown in for good measure.

Never found Jaws all that exciting, I can appreciate its place in history as the beginning of the summer blockbuster era. Never found it very good (Most of Spielberg, TBH).

[Snowglare]

I've got some:

* Smallville.

* All those NCIS/Law & Order Shows. All of them.

* 4Kids TMNT cartoon.

Agreed on these. Never saw the others. It's crazy to me that Smallville went 10 seasons and still has a massive fanbase. Michael Rosenbaum's cool and all, but it was just your typical CW-type show (before CW was a thing), in an era where Hollywood was deathly afraid of putting anyone in a costume or doing anything too comicbooky. We got shows like that and Heroes that were, at their best, dumb fun with little to set them apart from other action drama fare.

Along the same lines, Stargate SG-1 went way too long. Dreadful dull show. Solid cast, but the writing was so bland. Sliders did it far better, at least before it went off the rails and started kicking all the best characters out.

Thanks to co-workers in the break room, I saw way more of... I think it was one of the CSI's? Way more of that than I ever cared to. Disgusting show. Every other episode would just be the most shocking crime they could think of, and they'd explain it in gory detail. I used to like Law & Order, the first one, but SVU has a similar problem and one of TV's all-time biggest assholes in Elliot Stabler. He's the ultimate answer to Copaganda. You are, I assume, expected to side with him, but all he ever does is browbeat suspects based on zero evidence. It's OK, though, they all magically turn out to be guilty! I would always root for them; guilty or not, they don't deserve that.

2003 TMNT was, again, boring. Being relatively faithful to the original source is not that big a selling point. Like ToTheNines said, they pulled plenty of punches. It was about what you'd expect from a 4Kids show. Better than some of their anime dubs, to be sure, but nothing special.

Stuff like Superman: The Animated Series and Spectacular Spider-Man get so much praise and yet, they just annoyed me. There are better shows with these characters, and yet they don't get enough attention.

Have to disagree. STAS compares poorly to BTAS and worse to JLU, but it was fine. I don't know of any better Superman series. And Spectacular is my favorite animated take on Spidey. There could easily be better versions, but I stopped paying attention after that. Even if it's not the best, it's very good.

Forrest Gump. Laughably bad.

I've heard a ton of criticism for this. Somehow, it's one of the most beloved movies of all time and one of the most scorned by critics. Bit of an over/underrated thing going on. It's on my list to rewatch sometime, and I expect I'll still enjoy it.

This is my big one: Scarface. Such a boring, corny, dogshit movie. People think it’s badass though. I don’t get it.

Totally agree on this. By the time it got to the big shootout at the end, I was pretty well checked out.

[ToTheNines]

I've heard a ton of criticism for this. Somehow, it's one of the most beloved movies of all time and one of the most scorned by critics. Bit of an over/underrated thing going on. It's on my list to rewatch sometime, and I expect I'll still enjoy it.

Hanks is lovable in the role, but the direction/editing just feels kind of amateurish.


Totally agree on this. By the time it got to the big shootout at the end, I was pretty well checked out.

Tony's just not an interesting character at all. Outside of *checks notes* wanting to f**k his sister... hmm.

The people that love it are the same people that hate any episode of The Sopranos where "nobody got whacked!"

[TheUltimateBum]

Have to disagree. STAS compares poorly to BTAS and worse to JLU, but it was fine. I don't know of any better Superman series. And Spectacular is my favorite animated take on Spidey. There could easily be better versions, but I stopped paying attention after that. Even if it's not the best, it's very good.

My measuring stick for Superman shows has always been the 1952 TV show. There are no comic book villains there, but you have an extremely likeable principal cast that carry the stories. And even the 1988 Ruby-Spears series, despite not being perfect, I found much better than STAS. And in the case of Spectacular, I guess it's acquired taste, but I just never liked the artstyle, some ideas didn't work at all for me, the voice acting didn't wow me (feeling a bit like predictable casting choices) and it just felt too "teen" for me (which is the same problem I had with the Ultimate run).

[Andrew NDB]

Another one -- Men in Black. And by that I mean ALL of those movies, they all suck. But that last European one or whatever was particularly awful.

* They desperately try to be funny but they're not.

* These are the height and limits of exhaustion of "Will Smith just playing himself again."

* We aren't made to care about any of the supporting cast.

[sdp]

I have to agree with Andrew here. I also recently watched all the movies (I had only seen the first two as a kid) and came to the conclusion all the Men In Black movies suck (https://miscrave.com/articles/mib/).

I can give props to the original that as a kid in the 90s, it was a cool movie to watch that summer, but it's very much a product of its time. I mean Will Smith and Alien conspiracies were just cool in the 90s. The ending was the first time I ever saw in my life a Twilight Zone twist ending so that gave it bonus points. But yeah, even as a kid I wasn't crazy for the cartoon either. It had its time and that's it. Rewatching it is kind of like "I can understand why I liked it when I saw it as a kid, but it's not good".

Second one is worse, even as an older kid but still a kid I felt it was not good. The third and fourth have some interesting ideas but are still worse than the one that came before, so by the time we get to the fourth one its just god awful. But I know for sure one day in the next few years TigerClaw is going to post a thread "Sony working on MIB 5, Will Smith returning!"

[neatoman]

I have to agree with Andrew here. I also recently watched all the movies (I had only seen the first two as a kid) and came to the conclusion all the Men In Black movies suck (https://miscrave.com/articles/mib/).

I can give props to the original that as a kid in the 90s, it was a cool movie to watch that summer, but it's very much a product of its time. I mean Will Smith and Alien conspiracies were just cool in the 90s. The ending was the first time I ever saw in my life a Twilight Zone twist ending so that gave it bonus points. But yeah, even as a kid I wasn't crazy for the cartoon either. It had its time and that's it. Rewatching it is kind of like "I can understand why I liked it when I saw it as a kid, but it's not good".

Second one is worse, even as an older kid but still a kid I felt it was not good. The third and fourth have some interesting ideas but are still worse than the one that came before, so by the time we get to the fourth one its just god awful. But I know for sure one day in the next few years TigerClaw is going to post a thread "Sony working on MIB 5, Will Smith returning!"

What if they kept to the comic book premise of there being more things than aliens they were covering up?

[ResidentEvil7]

I never cared much for the following movies, but other people do:

Super Mario Bros (1993 version)
Lord Of The Rings trilogy
The Hobbit trilogy
Star Wars Episodes VII-IX
Superman
Batman
Captain America
Spiderman
Top Gun
James Bond movies
Most Die Hard movies (The only one I liked was Live Free...)
Tomb Raider - The 2018 reboot
Indiana Jones And the Dial Of Destiny
All the Toy Story movies
Finding Nemo
Conan The Barbarian (2011)
All the Saw movies - Too intense violence

[neatoman]

Super Mario Bros (1993 version)


You do realise they "like it" as a joke, right? Hardly anyone actually calls that movie good and those who find some appreciation for it don't exactly do so for anything that would normally be compelling.

[ranger_scout]

The Big Bang Theory, the character of Sheldon Cooper, and Jim Parsons’ performance have always been overrated in my opinion.

[ToTheNines]

I never cared much for the following movies, but other people do:

Super Mario Bros (1993 version)
Lord Of The Rings trilogy
The Hobbit trilogy
Star Wars Episodes VII-IX
Superman
Batman
Captain America
Spiderman
Top Gun
James Bond movies
Most Die Hard movies (The only one I liked was Live Free...)
Tomb Raider - The 2018 reboot
Indiana Jones And the Dial Of Destiny
All the Toy Story movies
Finding Nemo
Conan The Barbarian (2011)
All the Saw movies - Too intense violence

You don’t like Top Gun? I’m starting to question if you’re really a gay guy :shifty:

[IMJ]

You do realise they "like it" as a joke, right? Hardly anyone actually calls that movie good and those who find some appreciation for it don't exactly do so for anything that would normally be compelling.

It's like the people who pay to see "The Room" and cheer when it's on. Some people just don't get it, dude.

[CyberCubed]

The first Men in Black is a fun movie. Admittedly it's carried by the chemistry between Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, but that's fine. It's just a fun action/sci-fi movie with likeable leads.

[Coola Yagami]

MIB should have been a one and done, and keep the cartoon. The movie was fun because of the chemistry between Smith and Jones but it ended with Jones' character retiring. They painted themselves into a corner and had no choice but to backtrack for sequels. Despite the first movie ending with Agent J and L working together, no one was going to want a sequel without Tommy Lee Jones.

[neatoman]

Come to think of it, ResidentEvil7 did list one movie I kinda agree with there, Superman.

Assuming he does mean the 1978 movie alone, then yeah, it's way more awkward than people tend to give credit for. I can never quite get over how Lex "deduced" that Kryptonite must be deadly to Superman based on little more than "it came from the same planet" and the movie has several other leaps in logic like that. And of course the movie had some really awful sequels.

[TheUltimateBum]

Lord Of The Rings trilogy
The Hobbit trilogy
Superman
Spiderman

If you mean 78 Superman and the Raimi Spider-Man stuff, then I agree. And I've never been a fan of Jackson's Tolkien projects.

With Superman, the issues I have is that some story decisions are pure bull (turning back the world is just way too convenient) and I don't really like the approach to some characters (clumsy Clark Kent is just not my favorite take on the character and I rolled my eyes whenever he was onscreen here, Jor-El is way too godly and feels more like Superman's grandfather than father and Lois... she annoyed the hell out of me in these movies). But even then, it doesn't get me as annoyed as Superman II did (this version of Lois is one of my least favorites along with the DCAU version, and the fact that II is where she gets most screentime really makes me sour toward that movie over the years).

And the thing with the Raimi Spider-Man stuff is that I'm supposed to root for the protagonist, but because of a performance that ranges from flat (or sleepy) to annoying to awkward, I end up not caring for him or wanting him to get bad luck everywhere he goes.

[ResidentEvil7]

I meant all super hero movies because I'm not into caped heroes. The only comic book movies I ever liked were the Ninja Turtles, and Conan The Barbarian/Destroyer.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised to see someone who doesn't like superheroes in general. We're basically indoctrinated as kids to like superheroes.

[sdp]

With the MCU making pop culture mainstream fad for the entire of the 2010s, I've actually seen a lot of people now start to make fun of superheroes as something that's out of fashion now. Gen Alpha doesn't seem as interested in them, and normies think the superhero fad ended after End Game.
Superheroes in general are just an outdated concept. This is why anime and manga are bigger than ever. Even if they're "superhero like" stories, they're like an evolved version.

[IMJ]

It's a hard pill to swallow because there is so much to mine from superheroes in general, but simply put - superhero movies are the modern Western.

It's that simple. Eventually people won't want any part of it, woke $#!( or not. I see a big, big return to newly created properties for film in the future, but I also see an ongoing huge transition away from theaters.

As for the theaters themselves? They are going to have to reinvent and create added value. The theater experience is outrageously expensive and it doesn't add-up. It's not "expensive" - it's outrageously expensive to the point that people are now carefully choosing what they go see whereas they used to "just go see a movie". The next step is "f it, I don't do it anymore".

[ToTheNines]

I already mentioned it in my original list, but I need to reiterate what an absolute piece of ****ing dog sh*t The Polar Express is. I’m a sucker for Christmas themed stuff and can sit through almost anything that qualifies as such. But god damn this movie is insufferable.

Who likes this? The characters are all annoying and the models look atrocious. The moral of the story is deeply stupid. I typically don’t like Christmas fiction that deals with doubting Santa’s existence, but this one takes the cake for the dumbest attempt at it. A magical train appears in this kid’s front yard and takes him to the North Pole but he still doubts Santa until he meets him? The plot with the poor kid sucked and didn’t make any sense either.

Also, the songs were trash. Humbug!

[Andrew NDB]

Polar Express was definitely low-energy.