Minnesota shooting

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like another deranged trans shooter?

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/shooting-confirmed-at-minneapolis-catholic-school-shooter-contained

[ToTheNines]

Kinda petty to immediately jump on the culture war politics of something like this. But yeah… check out what he/she wrote on their magazines. Clearly not a stable person.

[Coola Yagami]

Already the usual suspects care more about how this makes trans people look bad over this being a tragedy.

[Andrew NDB]

But yeah… check out what he/she wrote on their magazines. Clearly not a stable person.

Do we get to read the manifesto this time? Or is that going to be hidden again?

[ToTheNines]

I didn’t go looking for it, but apparently the manifesto was a YouTube video that hadn’t been 100 percent verified at the time of reporting.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't live in the USA but for anyone living there, do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

[Andrew NDB]

do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

[Mayhem]

Do we get to read the manifesto this time? Or is that going to be hidden again?
Yes, basically blaming society for bullying him and being prejudiced for him not being staight or cis. Which is par for the course, because so many on the right like to hate on anyone not like them. And we all know America's record on helping people with any kind of mental health issue...

[Barkworm]

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

There's no comparable risk of getting gunned down in any other civilized country. It's no "narrative", your system is comepletely broken.

[KaraiLover09]

It's more of a mental health issue. Other countries have guns and they don't have school shootings be as common place as they seem to be in the US. It's almost every other month. The media might be 'exaggerating' but they bring it up a lot because it keeps happening.

It doesn't help that this country glorifies mental issues instead of trying to fix them. You have people on social media proudly displaying their 5-6 mental disorders as if they were a badge of honor and nobody sees anything wrong with it. Until the next shooting.

[ToTheNines]

At this point it’s just a series of copycat crimes committed by losers who want their face on the news after they die. Guns don’t really make a difference one way or another. The deadliest “terror attack” in modern history was committed with an armored truck. Not a single round was fired.

[Mayhem]

At this point it’s just a series of copycat crimes committed by losers who want their face on the news after they die. Guns don’t really make a difference one way or another. The deadliest “terror attack” in modern history was committed with an armored truck. Not a single round was fired.
Don’t you mean an airplane or two? Or you only referring to ground based assaults (presume you’re referring to Timothy McVey here)?

[Andrew NDB]

There's no comparable risk of getting gunned down in any other civilized country.

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..

Everyone I know in Germany has like the worst blinders on about these things, I swear.

[Coola Yagami]

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..



Main reason I don't even want to go there not even to visit friends and family anymore.

Either you get targeted because they think you have money (as all gringos apparently do, never mind the fact a vacation to Mexico costs less than Disneyland/world), or you get caught in the the crossfire since these guys have zero qualms about trying to take each other out in broad daylight without caring if regular people are just going about their business.

I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the US at times but 95% of the time the warring gangs and stuff at least wait until night time before they start shooting each other.

[Daytona]

Ridiculous. Of course the latter. But it's not your fault if you think the former as a result of the media.

Maybe in Chicago. But then it'd probably be in some kind of a gang shootout, which they don't count as "mass shootings" because it doesn't fit the narrative.

This exactly.

I mean there are more shootings than you hear about - bc there are many people here. The ones you do hear about however are chosen and highlighted to form specific narratives and covered only when useful.

This is because, by whatever means, our mainstream forms of media and entertainment have essentially been commandeered by the Democratic Party.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the US at times but 95% of the time the warring gangs and stuff at least wait until night time before they start shooting each other.

And they literally own the police, in most cases. As bad as some liberal cities have gotten here in the U.S., you can't even say that about any of them. It's reasons like these that when people start to talk about "The U.S. is the scariest, most violent sh**hole on the planet, and by far!" this just elicits an immediate eye roll -- these people have no idea what they're talking about or live in a bubble.

[Coola Yagami]

And they literally own the police, in most cases. As bad as some liberal cities have gotten here in the U.S., you can't even say that about any of them. It's reasons like these that when people start to talk about "The U.S. is the scariest, most violent sh**hole on the planet, and by far!" this just elicits an immediate eye roll -- these people have no idea what they're talking about or live in a bubble.

yep, there's no right vs left **** over there, it's more a rich vs poor thing, and the violence there is everybody's problem. If things are covered up in the news it's more to not provoke the ire of the wrong people, and not so much to push a culture war narrative.

[IMJ]

This exactly.

I mean there are more shootings than you hear about - bc there are many people here. The ones you do hear about however are chosen and highlighted to form specific narratives and covered only when useful.

This is because, by whatever means, our mainstream forms of media and entertainment have essentially been commandeered by the Democratic Party.

Exactly, but we aren't supposed to address that on these forums. Which I often do address and "they" don't like it.

The U.S. criticisms about shootings from people outside the U.S. is the easiest of low-hanging fruit to attack our society with. And in many ways, rightfully so - school shootings and Chicago-culture related to violence are a mess. But there are a variety of reasons that people can gaslight Americans when addressing these issues.

-Ratios involving the size of the U.S. to violence (i.e. Germany is roughly only the size of Montana, so in that example you are talking about a proportion of violence that doesn't even remotely include an equally large "melting pot" of people, let alone the size of the U.S. And any melting pot of culture that is arising in Germany is causing a ton of social-issues from increased immigration)

-Metric reporting (Andrew tackled this one nicely above)

-Or how about prolific news? Other nations file reports about what happens in the U.S. probably 30 to 1 what the U.S. reports about social-news going on around the rest of the world. In many cases 48% of foreigners follow news about the U.S. I guarantee that half of America doesn't follow news about the raging violence and homelessness in France or the fact that 32% of women have experienced physical, sexual, or psychological violence in Germany. 32%. In a country the size of Montana.

And there are several more points I could add to this as well. Basically, this forum sees an amount of U.S. vitriol from members who are counting on "blind arguments" on a regular basis. It's gaslighting at it's finest from people in countries who hide the hell out of their raging problems while pointing fingers at alleged failures of the U.S.

Once again, evidence that they are disingenuous. Don't believe them because the agenda shines through. America is the greatest country on Earth, but our dirty laundry gets aired out in front of a world that counts on Americans not scrutinizing them back. It's the oldest tactic of angry smaller-guys who are "punching upward" in the playbook.

[Coola Yagami]

Exactly, but we aren't supposed to address that on these forums. Which I often do address and "they" don't like it.

The U.S. criticisms about shootings from people outside the U.S. is the easiest of low-hanging fruit to attack our society with. And in many ways, rightfully so - school shootings and Chicago-culture related to violence are a mess. But there are a variety of reasons that these kinds of events are apparently more prolific than other countries.

-Ratios involving the size of the U.S. to violence (i.e. Germany is roughly only the size of Montana so the proportion of violence needs to be distilled down a city that isn't even remotely the melting pot of the United States)
-Metric reporting (Andrew tackled this one nicely above)
-Or how about prolific news? Other nations file reports about what happens in the U.S. probably 30 to 1 what the U.S. reports about social-news going on around the rest of the world. In many cases 48% of foreigners follow news about the U.S. I guarantee that half of America doesn't follow news about the raging violence and homelessness in France or the fact that 32% of women have experienced physical, sexual, or psychological violence in Germany

Basically, this forum has a significant amount of U.S. vitriol from members who are counting on "blind arguments" on a regular basis. It's gaslighting at it's finest from people in countries who hide the hell out of their raging problems while pointing fingers at alleged failures of the U.S.

Once again, evidence that they are disingenuous. Don't believe them because the agenda shines through.

I think the main reason other countries are so quick to point out America's problems is due to how overly arrogant we are in telling anyone that would listen how great we are and how our country is the best in the world. People love to see arrogance fall.

I remember back in the day reports showed third world countries literally dancing in the streets after 9/11 as a kind of 'ha-ha, the oh so great America isn't so invincible after all' kind of sentiment.

I mean the argument can be made that the US is the best country in the world but we gain nothing in being arrogant boastful pricks about it.

[Coola Yagami]

School/mass shootings are literally a US problem. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world like it does there. It's a culture problem.

People look at me funny when I tell them in the US I had school shooting drills growing up.

Or metal detectors. I was there when it was a new thing, but seeing it brought up in the 2012 TMNT cartoon showed me just how normalized it has become.

[Andrew NDB]

School/mass shootings are literally a US problem. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world like it does there. It's a culture problem.

It absolutely is a culture problem. But probably not at all in the way you mean.

[Barkworm]

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..

lol, those are the countries you want to get compared to? Countries that are basically run by criminal organizations? Yeah, those are "uncivilized countries". There, I said it!

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I was informed by conservatives that prayer in school is why things like this happen. Does this mean god hates catholics?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't know man, I find it tasteless how the discussion around the shooting immediately turned into a culture war, mere minutes after the attack.

I'm as radical right as they get here, and I absolutely detest liberal ideology and everything it leads to, but did the shooter really do what they did because of being trans? I don't think so.

There are plenty of trans people who would never do something like this, and blaming transgenderism for the attack is unfair to those individuals as well as those people who ideologically oppose transgenderism for more nuanced reasons than "they beccummm killllerrrzzzz"

[ToTheNines]

I don't know man, I find it tasteless how the discussion around the shooting immediately turned into a culture war, mere minutes after the attack.

That’s every single time. Like clockwork.

*mass shooting happens*

All the libtards: You just know he was white! We need gun control NOW!

Every MAGA Unc: Guarantee you the shooter was a Muslim or trans!

[Andrew NDB]

Kinda petty to immediately jump on the culture war politics of something like this.

I don't know man, I find it tasteless how the discussion around the shooting immediately turned into a culture war

I would argue that this shooting itself is an act of war, and of the very worst kind... against a culture they don't like or feel alienated by/superior to. Is it not?

[ToTheNines]

I would argue that this shooting itself is an act of war, and of the very worst kind... against a culture they don't like or feel alienated by/superior to. Is it not?

First of all I think you’re using a very generous definition of “war”. I would not say the occasional idiot with a death wish acting alone in killing a single digit amount of people is “war”.

Mass shooters come from various demographics. A few have been trans in the past five years. What are you suggesting? Trans people should be further ostracized and shunned? That will make things better?

[IndigoErth]

I don't live in the USA but for anyone living there, do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

Nah. I mean, it's horrible to hear of it happening, but it's a large enough country that the odds of ending up in one are low.

Considering what you might do in that kind of situation (without trying to play hero unless there is no choice and you absolutely must) is prob wise, but wouldn't be healthy to live life fearing that it's going to. Getting hit by idiot drivers is a bigger fear and more likely.

[member_removed]

I don't live in the USA but for anyone living there, do you fear that everyday outside could see you caught up in a Mass shooting or does the media amplify the risk?

There's no comparable risk of getting gunned down in any other civilized country. It's no "narrative", your system is comepletely broken.

I would be terrified if I had to send my kids to a US school. Active shooter drills, shouldn’t need to be normalised.

Here's where the disparity comes in. "Civilized country" metrics. Apparently countries like Mexico and Venezuela and Ecuador are "uncivilized" (but they don't like to say that) and are excluded from the metrics as there's about a 3000% higher chance you'll get blown away on vacation and/or kidnapped and beheaded or ransomed or hacked to little bits and dissolved in barrels of acid there than in the U.S..

Everyone I know in Germany has like the worst blinders on about these things, I swear.

None of those places come across as ideal holiday locations. Unless you have a kink to watch donkey shows.

This exactly.

I mean there are more shootings than you hear about - bc there are many people here. The ones you do hear about however are chosen and highlighted to form specific narratives and covered only when useful.

This is because, by whatever means, our mainstream forms of media and entertainment have essentially been commandeered by the Democratic Party.

I think the main reason we hear about this outside of the US is because of the school ones, because it’s so damn horrific. Dead kids, where else in the G7 world does this happen?
I would argue to that the extreme right also turn this morbid affair into a circus as well, with the likes of Alex Jones, declaring these types of events to be a hoax. Why? Clicks and likes.



-Ratios involving the size of the U.S. to violence (i.e. Germany is roughly only the size of Montana, so in that example you are talking about a proportion of violence that doesn't even remotely include an equally large "melting pot" of people, let alone the size of the U.S. And any melting pot of culture that is arising in Germany is causing a ton of social-issues from increased immigration)

-Metric reporting (Andrew tackled this one nicely above)

-Or how about prolific news? Other nations file reports about what happens in the U.S. probably 30 to 1 what the U.S. reports about social-news going on around the rest of the world. In many cases 48% of foreigners follow news about the U.S. I guarantee that half of America doesn't follow news about the raging violence and homelessness in France or the fact that 32% of women have experienced physical, sexual, or psychological violence in Germany. 32%. In a country the size of Montana.

Land mass aside that’s an unfair comparison, population wise you’re comparing a population of 1.7M to 83M.
If you want massage the facts, Oklahoma’s domestic violence rate against woman is 49%

https://oklahomawatch.org/2025/03/20/was-oklahoma-once-ranked-as-the-worst-state-in-the-nation-for-domestic-violence/
Go Sooners!

[IMJ]

I was informed by conservatives that prayer in school is why things like this happen. Does this mean god hates catholics?

Everyone has to insert their agenda. Even Catholic schools have bullying. They just hide it from the staff whereas the hoodrat ghetto clowns will mouth to the teacher directly.

[Andrew NDB]

I would be terrified if I had to send my kids to a US school. Active shooter drills, shouldn’t need to be normalised.

Maybe, maybe not. But surely something is better than nothing? 40 years ago in the Cold War there was nuclear missile drills in classrooms where you get under the desks, and a little bit before that there was actual "Gun Clubs" in class (and 0 school shootings). Those kids turned out OK, as these are like our fathers or grandfathers/mothers. So...? If nothing else, security should be beefed up since we're unwilling to address the core issues and/or they've become spiraled. I'm not against teachers having some kind of lockbox with a gun they're able to unlock in a crisis but barring that, normalizing armed security patrols or a consistent police presence seems prudent (which seems super good to me! let's get back in the business of doing the opposite of demonizing the police). "Gun Free Zones" are meaningless in a country where there is the 2nd amendment giving us the right to bear arms and no amount of willing them or crying at them or screaming at them from far away countries with a guilt complex like Germany is going to remove them from the country, and nor should they. Also, it's not lost on me that the loudest voices about school shootings are the people with no kids.

And I know what this kind of sentiment from the other side actually wants to say without (usually) actually saying it is, "COLLECT ALL THE GUNS! FROM THE U.S.! GOOD GRIEF, MARCH ALL OF THEM TO MORDOR AND THROW THEM INTO MOUNT DOOM IMMEDIATELY!!!" (and in little letters or no letters, "TRUST THE GOVERNMENT/THE POLICE TO SAVE YOU, ALWAYS! AND ALSO TO NEVER BECOME TYRANNICAL") but that's never going to happen. And again, nor should it. So what's your alternative? Like, seriously. Nothing? Just wait for the next shooting so you can get mad at the guns again, rather than actually present practical solutions (or at least measures) to prevent kids from getting shot up like fish in a barrel? That's your plan? This mentality is disgusting to me.


I think the main reason we hear about this outside of the US is because of the school ones, because it’s so damn horrific. Dead kids, where else in the G7 world does this happen?

This may sound shocking, but the mainstream media doesn't cover every country everywhere equally. Also, it may have an interest in swaying opinion in very specific ones. Also shocking, right? Like, the ones they have an invested interest in?

My family is from Colombia. Which when stacked next to Mexico, Venezuela, and Ecuador, it is considered "tame" but absolutely it would be considered "civilized" by any definition you could throw at it. Nowadays, at least. But the stories I hear from the 50 cousins that FB me (or the videos)... suffice to say, you would be surprised. And wow... what a shocker... no media coverage about any of it ever.

First of all I think you’re using a very generous definition of “war”. I would not say the occasional idiot with a death wish acting alone in killing a single digit amount of people is “war”.

Mass shooters come from various demographics. A few have been trans in the past five years. What are you suggesting? Trans people should be further ostracized and shunned? That will make things better?

I would say in regard to the first part, not a very generous definition of "war" but the very real one. In the minds of psychopaths like this one. They really did decide to go to war. In the same way you'd join up and fight the Nazis in WWII with the full knowledge that you'll most likely die on the battlefield but still feel righteous in doing so. In this case, a chickensh** level of "I'm going to blow away little kids and then off myself and maybe delete this later" for -- in their minds -- the greater good.

Definitely not that trans people should be ostracized and shunned. I'm friends with many trans. Trans that are pretty "real" about stuff and don't like people speaking on their behalf. My last movie literally starred a trans woman in the lead role. I just feel compelled to shine a light after years and years of being told "Nuh-no, only white corn-fed white guys who probably want to overthrow Biden are the REAL threat!" that... well... you know. Here you go. We see a new pattern forming, and it ain't us. You guys loved to make a circus about this years ago or any time since, so here it is. Fair media time. Let's not let you hide from it. And this is far more to do with the "radicalized dude by the left-wing media" (really, a Church, which is ironic) than anything to do with what he wants to do with his gender or anything like that.

[member_removed]

Maybe, maybe not. But surely something is better than nothing? 40 years ago in the Cold War there was nuclear missile drills in classrooms where you get under the desks, and a little bit before that there was actual "Gun Clubs" in class (and 0 school shootings). Those kids turned out OK, as these are like our fathers or grandfathers/mothers. So...? If nothing else, security should be beefed up since we're unwilling to address the core issues and/or they've become spiraled. I'm not against teachers having some kind of lockbox with a gun they're able to unlock in a crisis but barring that, normalizing armed security patrols or a consistent police presence seems prudent (which seems super good to me! let's get back in the business of doing the opposite of demonizing the police). "Gun Free Zones" are meaningless in a country where there is the 2nd amendment giving us the right to bear arms and no amount of willing them or crying at them or screaming at them from far away countries with a guilt complex like Germany is going to remove them from the country, and nor should they. Also, it's not lost on me that the loudest voices about school shootings are the people with no kids.

And I know what this kind of sentiment from the other side actually wants to say without (usually) actually saying it is, "COLLECT ALL THE GUNS! FROM THE U.S.! GOOD GRIEF, MARCH ALL OF THEM TO MORDOR AND THROW THEM INTO MOUNT DOOM IMMEDIATELY!!!" (and in little letters or no letters, "TRUST THE GOVERNMENT/THE POLICE TO SAVE YOU, ALWAYS! AND ALSO TO NEVER BECOME TYRANNICAL") but that's never going to happen. And again, nor should it. So what's your alternative? Like, seriously. Nothing? Just wait for the next shooting so you can get mad at the guns again, rather than actually present practical solutions (or at least measures) to prevent kids from getting shot up like fish in a barrel? That's your plan? This mentality is disgusting to me.

The sad thing is there is/our solutions out there, even with out your "Mt Doom" scenario.

A complete ban in the US would be beyond difficult, the proverbial toothpaste back in the tube.

The fact is the 1994 assault weapon ban did work and it was allowed to lapse and the mass shootings rates (no pun intended) shoot up.

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2022/06/10/did-the-assault-weapons-ban-of-1994-bring-down-mass-shootings-commentary/

Arming teachers, perhaps teachers don't want to armed, they choose to be educators. Also if there is an active shooter on campus, when the authorities arrive on site then have no way of decerning whom is the active shooter and who is the "good guy with gun".

Hey if my mentality is disgusting to you, so be it.

[ToTheNines]

I would say in regard to the first part, not a very generous definition of "war" but the very real one. In the minds of psychopaths like this one. They really did decide to go to war. In the same way you'd join up and fight the Nazis in WWII with the full knowledge that you'll most likely die on the battlefield but still feel righteous in doing so. In this case, a chickensh** level of "I'm going to blow away little kids and then off myself and maybe delete this later" for -- in their minds -- the greater good.

Except Germany was a sovereign nation with a military of 10+ million and a large civilian population and WWII was a long series of major skirmishes with willing and conscripted combatants on both sides.

I don’t think these people are trying to start a revolution. They’re not organized. They’re just terminally online losers who want their name to mean something before they go.


Definitely not that trans people should be ostracized and shunned. I'm friends with many trans. Trans that are pretty "real" about stuff and don't like people speaking on their behalf. My last movie literally starred a trans woman in the lead role. I just feel compelled to shine a light after years and years of being told "Nuh-no, only white corn-fed white guys who probably want to overthrow Biden are the REAL threat!" that... well... you know. Here you go. We see a new pattern forming, and it ain't us. You guys loved to make a circus about this years ago or any time since, so here it is. Fair media time. Let's not let you hide from it. And this is far more to do with the "radicalized dude by the left-wing media" (really, a Church, which is ironic) than anything to do with what he wants to do with his gender or anything like that.

Understood. I feel you.

I don’t know that you’re winning over any hearts or minds this way, but you’re not wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

Arming teachers, perhaps teachers don't want to armed, they choose to be educators.

#1, if we're agreeing to arm teachers in case of emergency then that wouldn't be something that's negotiable. They can cry about it to their pathetic teacher's unions and be sent packing. #2, if not the teachers, then we go back to my armed security or police presence.

Also if there is an active shooter on campus, when the authorities arrive on site then have no way of decerning whom is the active shooter and who is the "good guy with gun".

Ah, so it's much better then to second guess police knowing how to do their jobs and to do, instead, absolutely nothing to defend or protect the kids and wait for the next shooting to get mad at the guns again. Gottit. Yes, disgusting.

[IndigoErth]

Time to get bulletproof glass in schools and so-called "soft targets" like that church. :ohwell: Fortunately, their doors were supposedly locked and it would have been so much worse had the shooter gotten inside.

Would do a lot of good if "the system" in general and those around people like this stopped being so indifferent. Bits and pieces I've heard in passing doesn't sound like this person was entirely silent on having urges to hurt people, esp kids. Need to grow as a culture and stop shrugging it off when someone has a history of saying/posting garbage that clearly isn't just venting and goes too far.

[Barkworm]

#1, if we're agreeing to arm teachers in case of emergency then that wouldn't be something that's negotiable. #2, if not the teachers, then we go back to my armed security or police presence.



Ah, so it's much better then to second guess police knowing how to do their jobs and to do, instead, absolutely nothing to defend or protect the kids and wait for the next shooting to get mad at the guns again. Gottit. Yes, disgusting.
Look, no one is interested in taking your man toys away. Because - as member_ removed has pointed out - that is not even a possibility. People are talking about sensible rules for them. You and the rest of the gun lobby don't want that because you are so afraid that any rule might mean you could lose your precious guns. That's more important to your kind than any lives lost in any shooting.

And THAT right there is the disgusting mentality.

[Andrew NDB]

Time to get bulletproof glass in schools and so-called "soft targets" like that church.

I mean, that'd be SOMETHING, at least. It's not nothing.

Look, no one is interested in taking your man toys away. Because - as member_ removed has pointed out - that is not even a possibility. People are talking about sensible rules for them. You and the rest of the gun lobby don't want that because you are so afraid that any rule might mean you could lose your precious guns. That's more important to your kind than any lives lost in any shooting.

And THAT right there is the disgusting mentality.

I'll play. What are the sensible (or as is truly sickeningly put often, "common sense") rules or laws that would have stopped this latest shooter from getting their guns? By all accounts, until pretty much the end the person seemed to be living a pretty normal life and went through the appropriate background checks and waiting periods and all. Red flag laws (which are a pretty extreme form of gun control and can be applied extremely unjustly) were in place there but were never deployed because the person didn't do anything nutty enough to warrant that.

"Stories I hear"
Clearly you've never been to both Colombia and Mexico, your posts says it all.

Dude, I have doubts you ever even leave your room much.

[CyberCubed]

I remember Columbine happened when I was in like 6th grade and back then it was so shocking that it felt like a school shooting had never really happened before. Now I'm sure it did in the early 90's (?) but this was the first "big" one I remember. I remember everyone being so shocked something like that could happen in school. Since then I've heard about school shootings almost every year after I left High School. It honestly seemed to increase after the early 2000's.

[Barkworm]

I'll play. What are the sensible (or as is truly sickeningly put often, "common sense") rules or laws that would have stopped this latest shooter from getting their guns?
Honestly? I have no idea. Anything that applies to any other country doesn't work for the US because of the insane amount of guns you people have.

But I think it's clear to anyone that what you have is not working at all. And that is all that people who are calling for stricter gun laws are pointing out. It's not a "culture war" at all, at least not on the side of the people who want fewer mass shootings. Not wanting people to be killed is not a culture. Having a pemanent hard-on for guns is one.

[Andrew NDB]

Honestly? I have no idea. Anything that applies to any other country doesn't work for the US because of the insane amount of guns you people have.

And this is after you admit guns are a given? But I think it's clear to anyone that what we have is not working at all. And that is all that people who are calling for stricter gun laws are pointing out. It's not a "culture war" at all, at least not on the side of the people who want fewer mass shootings. Not wanting people to be killed is not a culture. Having a pemanent hard-on for guns is one.

Of course it isn't working. Because people like you here refuse to acknowledge we need guns to protect children from other people with guns... or offer any solutions to a country that has a 2nd amendment in a time where the left is forcing an identity and nuclear family meltdown. You hide behind the idea that the very concept of this is alien to you, but that's B.S.. There absolutely are very real solutions that could treat our schools like banks. Who would be against that? Yet you just sit there and glower from afar... and again... wait for the next shooting so you can yell about the guns again and how much of an eden your country is where there's no guns and knife laws. In some hope that... things will change. I know you said you have accepted we'll always have guns but... but... you don't REALLY... there's allllways that hope that MAAAYBEE we'll "evolve" to be like you with just the right president or whatnot and we make that climb on Mount Doom one day and high five Australia, because they're doing so great.

It's honestly a pretty weird cycle. Your types sit there and prune and talk down from high altars while sometimes even admitting as you did that "oh, well I admit we'll never pry the guns from you primitive savages in the US" but you don't offer any solutions. Ever. It's just angry fortune cookies that amount to "maybe in a more enlightened future like us in X country you won't have this problem!"

You pretend to want a solution but all you have when cornered is "idk!!! I just like to talk about guns are bad! Often! When asked. Sorry, I'll be quiet until the next shooting and do it again. Whaaaat, added security measures to protect kids?? That's insane!! It'll probably mess them up! (as opposed to them being dead, I guess? what, my kids? I don't have any)" And so on. Every. Single. Time.

stfu. Seriously.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Do you really think Barkworm "waits for the next shooting" and "pretends to want a solution"?

Seriously....

[Mayhem]

Mandated locked areas for weapons to be kept if other people, especially children, are in the house. (the number of shootings that occur by taking weapons belonging to other people in the same house is notable)

Repeated checks for certifying people are allowed to keep their weapons, not just a one time thing or when they go to buy another one. No one certified mentally ill or has a criminal record allowed to hold a legal gun.

No assault style weapons allowed to be publicly held without extreme special reasons.

Security locks on all outside doors at schools so once class starts, no one from outside can get in unless buzzed in by staff (although I presume many schools already do this?)

There’s a few suggestions for you…

[Barkworm]

Ooooh, someone is grumpy. But I'll admit three things:


I'm defintely talking from a high horse because I'm not in the same situation (according to this (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2836060?guestAccessKey=3a37e5b1-731a-44f5-b0b9-f553484974b7&utm_source=for_the_media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=070725) study, child mortality in the US is almost twice as high as in similar countries).
That's also why I don't have any answers here. I'm not a law maker but that's still lame, you're right.
I do believe gun nuts are "primitive savages" 100 per cent. But that just brings us back to number 1.


By the way, I do have a whole bunch of kids! You all know that because I can't shut up about them! I'd be appalled if they were in danger of getting killed in a mass shooting. I guess I'd be in favour of having bulletproof windows, armed guards at school, shooter drills and whatever the hell you need to not get them killed at school. But you cannot tell me with a straight face that those kind of measures wouldn't make your country look like a complete hellhole.

Okay, I need to get back on my altar, take care!

[IndigoErth]

Repeated checks for certifying people are allowed to keep their weapons, not just a one time thing or when they go to buy another one. No one certified mentally ill or has a criminal record allowed to hold a legal gun.

It's crazy to me that in order to legally drive a big, potentially deadly machine on the roads you have to have the training, the licensing, keep up to date insurance, and at least around here an inspection of it every two years and renewal of the registration on it every year or two (depending if you want to pay for both at once). But a tool designed specifically for killing? Nah, many people have a childish mindset of on-demand instant gratification where guns are concerned "because rights." It's weird that something that serious doesn't even have to be earned, similarly via whatever hurdles would be appropriate, and isn't able to be held up as a point of pride in doing so with that legit recognition of being one of those "good guys with a gun." Random losers who are mad at the world and use it to pad their ego can easily get it and are proud to have one for... well, no valid reason at all, they didn't have to put in much effort and at worst might have been made unhappy over just waiting for a background check if locally required.

[Stu_Padasso]

Don’t mind me, I’m just here taking notes on who I can depend on when the $#!t hits the fan.

Andrew: /
IMJ: /
ToTheNines: ?
Coola: X
FredWolfLeonardo: X
Mayhem: XX
Barkworm: XX
KaraiLover09: ?
sdp: X
Daytona: ?
TMNT is cooler than MOTU: ?
Member_removed: X
IndigoErth: X

Does anyone here have any experience in the military, law enforcement, medicine, carpentry or automotive repair? Do you happen to have any extra supplies lying around such as food, fuel and medicine should you, uh, not need them anymore?

[IndigoErth]

Your loss. Gun stockpiles would inevitably be pretty useless sooner or later once the ammo runs out or people are forced to use a dwindling stock very sparingly and can no longer afford unnecessary conflicts. In that case, don't show up here. The weapon I'd be picking up should I need it, sitting displayed on a table behind me, doesn't require ammo in order to remain useful. :evilgrin:

[Stu_Padasso]

Your loss. Gun stockpiles would inevitably be pretty useless sooner or later once the ammo runs out or people are forced to use a dwindling stock very sparingly and can no longer afford unnecessary conflicts. In that case, don't show up here. The weapon I'd be picking up should I need it, sitting displayed on a table behind me, doesn't require ammo in order to remain useful. :evilgrin:

I assume that this post is directed to me.

Interesting. Do you happen to own a katana or European long sword?

[ToTheNines]

ToTheNines: ?

Haha

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/f6/0c/44f60cf1e432a74ba2b92dda095567fb.jpg

[IndigoErth]

I assume that this post is directed to me.

Interesting. Do you happen to own a katana or European long sword?

Sadly, I don't really have display room for a katana. It's "just" a large tanto, prob just a hair shorter and/or in a grey area of the minimum for a wakizashi. But prob better for actual practical spur of the moment use if I ever really did need to grab it. Esp since any such situation might be more likely indoors anyhow.

[Mad Dog McMutt]

What is funny about that chess picture is that white is basically sacrificing the queen by letting the black king take it for no compensation by moving right next to the king. A terrible terrible move. I know that white was last to move because black is in check and has to get himself out of check legally for the game to continue. Black can not legally make a move that puts himself in check. Whoever is playing as white is not good at chess at all.

[Mad Dog McMutt]

Black's move is already revealed. He has to take White's poorly placed queen with his king to get out of check. Black only has 1 legal move.

[Mad Dog McMutt]

I feel like an idiot. I was wrong about everything. I didn't see the bishop on the diagonal with the queen due to it being kind of blurry. I thought it was a rook for some reason. The game is over, there is no move to be made. White checkmated black.

[ToTheNines]

It was just supposed to be funny lol

[Barkworm]

For god's sake, learn your chess rules before you post memes! :lol:

[IndigoErth]

I like how the sad mass mass shooting thread turned into chess debate.