How would the original cartoon Turtles react to 9/11 in 2001?

[CyberCubed]

If you assume the Fred Wolf cartoons seasons take place roughly in each year they aired in, we haven't really seen them past 1995/1996.

Even aside from that, how would the Turtles react to 9/11 happening? Now naturally they would be horrified, as were people in real life, but do you think the Turtles would especially be distraught that they couldn't save close to 3,000 lives in their home city from an act of terrorism? I like to assume all the events in real life happened in their world as well.

ESPECIALLY when you remember the twin towers were actually a plot point in one episode of Season 3 where Shredder/Krang were using it to repower the Technodrome.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm curious as to whether they would immediately suspect Shredder and Krang as being responsible or whether they would realise this is too much for them.

[neatoman]

If you assume the Fred Wolf cartoons seasons take place roughly in each year they aired in, we haven't really seen them past 1995/1996.

Even aside from that, how would the Turtles react to 9/11 happening? Now naturally they would be horrified, as were people in real life, but do you think the Turtles would especially be distraught that they couldn't save close to 3,000 lives in their home city from an act of terrorism? I like to assume all the events in real life happened in their world as well.

ESPECIALLY when you remember the twin towers were actually a plot point in one episode of Season 3 where Shredder/Krang were using it to repower the Technodrome.

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[ToTheNines]

I’d like to believe 9-11 didn’t happen in the FW show. Were the towers shown in “Once Upon a Time Machine”?

[CyberCubed]

I am too lazy to check. I think I recall David Wise saying once that the writers were told to stop using recognizable NY landmarks after the first few seasons (like the twin towers or statue of liberty), I'm not sure the reason but we did stop seeing real life landmarks after awhile.

[Icebot]

Dregg would definitely have done it, he was willing to burn down the whole planet with a sunspot.

The towers also were a plot in Enter The Fly, Shredder was planning to put a force field around it.

[Prowler]

I am too lazy to check. I think I recall David Wise saying once that the writers were told to stop using recognizable NY landmarks after the first few seasons (like the twin towers or statue of liberty), I'm not sure the reason but we did stop seeing real life landmarks after awhile.

Strange...

But perhaps it was for the best. Had the Twin Towers been shown many times, they'd probably get censored/removed when the episodes first came out on DVD.

I think they were in a couple of episodes. Enter The Fly and the season 3 finale, Big Blow Out.They were not censored/removed ever, were they?

[CyberCubed]

No, they're on the DVDs. I mean how would they even censor them? You think Lionsgate was going to take the time to somehow cut or edit scenes when they put all the episodes in VHS quality on discs? :lol:

[Prowler]

No, they're on the DVDs. I mean how would they even censor them? You think Lionsgate was going to take the time to somehow cut or edit scenes when they put all the episodes in VHS quality on discs? :lol:

You're right lol, but weren't the towers edited out of some movies and tv shows that came out within a year after the attacks? They also got removed off a couple of video games, didn't they?

[ToTheNines]

I am too lazy to check. I think I recall David Wise saying once that the writers were told to stop using recognizable NY landmarks after the first few seasons (like the twin towers or statue of liberty), I'm not sure the reason but we did stop seeing real life landmarks after awhile.

I just checked and they’re not explicitly shown. But all the cityscape is replaced with futuristic buildings so there’s no way to tell. Oh well, here’s a short fanfic I just wrote imagining their reaction:

SPLINTER: My sons… I fear my ancient enemy, Oroku Saki has returned! Many buildings have been destroyed, just as Channel 6 all those years ago!

LEONARDO: Shredder’s still lost in Dimension X, master. The news says it was some dastardly villains called Al-Qaeda and it’s up to the Armed Forces to stop them!

DONATELLO: Al-Qaeda? Get real, Leonardo! I ran the calculations, it’s physically impossible for an aluminum airplane to take down a skyscraper, and jet fuel doesn’t melt steel beams.

MICHELANGELO: Yeah, bud. And the FBI finding the hijackers passport in perfect condition a couple blocks away is like, mondo bizzaro.

LEONARDO: Are you two serious? This is crazy!

MICHELANGELO: Oh so serio-so! And check this out [walks towards computer room]

LEONARDO: Where are you going? And it’s not like you to be so quiet Raphael. Don’t tell me you’ve lost it too!

RAPHAEL: Patriot act! Turtle comms are bugged! You won’t hear a peep outta- [interrupted by Michelangelo exclaiming from another room]

MICHELANGELO: [reading a widely published ABC News article that has since been scrubbed from the internet] Raving ravioli! Bros look!

LEONARDO: Michelangelo, x out of that nonsense! President Bush would never let something like that happen!

RAPHAEL: [Looking at screen] talking turtles and brains from Dimension X, he can buy. But Dancing Israelis? Not happening. Give me a break!

SPLINTER: [sighing heavily] we should have never gotten internet down here…

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Dang, I needed to see FW turtles (except cucked Leo) getting redpilled today.

[Prowler]

Someone many many years ago wrote a fan script for a Seinfeld episode set during 9/11. I recall reading a bit of it. It was actually quite well written iirc.

Seinfeld's finale came out in 1998, so only 3 years before the attacks.

[CyberCubed]

The terrorists attacks on the U.S. were the scum of the Earth. They deserve to rot in hell for all eternity.

It was easily the worst thing to happen in world history since the events of World War II.

[Prowler]

The terrorists attacks on the U.S. were the scum of the Earth. They deserve to rot in hell for all eternity.

It was easily the worst thing to happen in world history since the events of World War II.

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[CyberCubed]

It was genuinely the greatest travesty of our lifetimes. I think I was only...15 (?) or so when it happened, and even as a young teen I knew the world would never be the same. This isn't like some random war between third world countries nobody cares about, this is the United States of America, and seeing 3000 innocent people (both on the planes and buildings) killed for no reason.

You don't attack the United States of America and get away with it. George W. Bush was too lenient, honestly. If Trump was president back then he'd probably nuke every country in the middle east whether they were involved or not.

[Prowler]

Despite your trolling, you did unintentionally raise an interesting hypothetical scenario in your 2nd paragraph.

How would USA have reacted to the 9/11 attacks had Trump been the president at the time. Remember he lost workers in the attacks as well. At least one of his companies had an office in the Twin Towers. I remember watching an old video of him talk to the news back then on youtube

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If Trump was president back then he'd probably nuke every country in the middle east whether they were involved or not.

Except for Israel.

[Prowler]

Except for Israel.

Didn't Israel warn the US several months before 9/11 that Bin Laden was planning some sort of attack against the US but the American government basically dismissed their warning? Or is that just another one of the many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11?

[ToTheNines]

Didn't Israel warn the US several months before 9/11 that Bin Laden was planning some sort of attack against the US but the American government basically dismissed their warning? Or is that just another one of the many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11?

There were many credible warnings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks

[Prowler]

There were many credible warnings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks

Damn, even Putin? Something tells me he'd not have warned Biden if the 9/11 attacks happened during his presidency.

Normally I don't use wiki as a source, but it's late and that article seems to have links to credible sources. And I don't find it hard to believe most of those warnings, anyway.

Anyway, I know "JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS" and "Bush did 9/11" are believed by most of the terminally online, but to me the explanation is much simpler: It simply was a big blunder by USA. The biggest security fiasco in its history. Also, airport security used to be a JOKE in the US before 9/11, from what I've read. It was much laxer than in Europe, for example. Ironically, after 9/11, it's become much stricter and no considers American airports to be a pleasant experience since then.

[CyberCubed]

Nah, it's mostly that nobody believed terrorists could pull it off. Nobody would willingly sit there and let the U.S. be attacked, especially the Twin Towers of all things, if they knew it was going to happen.

[ToTheNines]

Nah, it's mostly that nobody believed terrorists could pull it off. Nobody would willingly sit there and let the U.S. be attacked, especially the Twin Towers of all things, if they knew it was going to happen.

No? Well then why did Lucky Larry Silverstein miss work that day? After taking out “terrorism insurance” earlier that year after finding out how expensive the asbestos removal would be?

Why was George Bush smoking cigars at the White House with Bandar Bush (the Saudi royal) on September 13th?

Why did the Pentagon fail that audit so miserably?

Why would Bush and Cheney only testify to the 9-11 Committee if they could be together?

Why did Urban Moving Systems go out of business so abruptly?

[Prowler]

Nah, it's mostly that nobody believed terrorists could pull it off. Nobody would willingly sit there and let the U.S. be attacked, especially the Twin Towers of all things, if they knew it was going to happen.

Both things can be true at the same time, my man. Why do you think a terror attack with airplanes against skyscrapers hasn't happened since then?

Airport security changed completely after 9/11. You wouldn't know this because you've never even left New York. You did mention you used to work at an airport, but that means you might only be familiar with how they are nowadays. Had you traveled as a kid before 9/11, you'd know the difference.

Here in Europe, airport security also changed too since then. I remember when you didn't have to separe your liquids from your hand luggage. when getting past security at the airport. Also, like many kids from my generation and before, I was able to visit the cockpit and meet the captain and his co-pilot on a flight when I was little. That's no longer possible since 9/11, I think. Poor kids.

Also, the Twin Towers did get attacked in the early 90s. Trucks with explosives were placed underneath them or something. So it's not like those buildings were strangers to terrorism until 9/11.

[ProphetofGanja]

9/11 was clearly an inside job orchestrated by elements of the US military-industrial complex and Israel, and the bankers that control both of them

[Prowler]

9/11 was clearly an inside job orchestrated by elements of the US military-industrial complex and Israel, and the bankers that control both of them
I remember you saying that many years ago already. I personally disagree, but it's not like it matters to me at the end of the day what the actual truth behind 9/11 is lol

No? Well then why did Lucky Larry Silverstein miss work that day? After taking out “terrorism insurance” earlier that year after finding out how expensive the asbestos removal would be?

Why was George Bush smoking cigars at the White House with Bandar Bush (the Saudi royal) on September 13th?

Why did the Pentagon fail that audit so miserably?

Why would Bush and Cheney only testify to the 9-11 Committee if they could be together?

Why did Urban Moving Systems go out of business so abruptly?

That first paragraph of yours... I've read it so many times during online arguments about 9/11 haha. You didn't even mention the supposed part where none of his relatives that worked at the WTC went to work the day 9/11 happened. :P

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think the biggest question is who benefitted the most from 9/11.

Israel, bar none. The Middle East being destabilised by the subsequent invasions served them more than anyone else.

[Prowler]

I think the biggest question is who benefitted the most from 9/11.

Israel, bar none. The Middle East being destabilised by the subsequent invasions served them more than anyone else.

I remember learning of some Muslim ritual called Stoning of the Devil, where people gather around and throw rocks at a big pillar

I guess radical Islamists who took part in 9/11 saw the act of flying planes against the WTC as a Stoning of the Devil sort of thing as well? :lol:

[ToTheNines]

That first paragraph of yours... I've read it so many times during online arguments about 9/11 haha. You didn't even mention the supposed part where none of his relatives that worked at the WTC went to work the day 9/11 happened. :P

I don’t recall ever hearing that, so I looked it up and go figure…

His adult children Roger and Lisa Silverstein also worked at the WTC and were both “running late”. The luck just runs in the family!

[CyberCubed]

9/11 was clearly an inside job orchestrated by elements of the US military-industrial complex and Israel, and the bankers that control both of them

Ah yes, both of which had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden's afghan terroist group. "inside job" sure

[Prowler]

I don’t recall ever hearing that, so I looked it up and go figure…

His adult children Roger and Lisa Silverstein also worked at the WTC and were both “running late”. The luck just runs in the family!

I do prefer entertaining these theories over those who claim the airplanes were holograms(yes, I've seen people saying that before) or that it was impossible for those buildings to collapse after being hit by airplanes. Structural engineers have explained before that the towers actually held up quite well after being hit by the planes. Even if they ended up collapsing in the end.

I can understand people being skeptical about WTC7's collapse, but still...

[CyberCubed]

I mean I live in NY, those towers have not been there in 20 years. They completely rebuilt new building there and have memorial fountains where the previous towers used to be.

[Prowler]

I mean I live in NY, those towers have not been there in 20 years. They completely rebuilt new building there and have memorial fountains where the previous towers used to be.

Took them a while to build them, though, right? You don't just build two skyscrapers in a week. what was there besides the memorial for years after 9/11 happened? Just a large area closed to the public? It must have taken them a long time to remove every single pile of rubble, no?

[CyberCubed]

I guess so, I don't know? I was only 15 back then, didn't really pay attention.

[Prowler]

I guess so, I don't know? I was only 15 back then, didn't really pay attention.

You never walked past or rode past that area? I know New York is a big city, but still.

Maybe you just don't normally go to Manhattan?

[CyberCubed]

I don't live in manhattan itself, and back then I was a teen, I had no job there back then I was still in school

[CyberCubed]

No? Well then why did Lucky Larry Silverstein miss work that day? After taking out “terrorism insurance” earlier that year after finding out how expensive the asbestos removal would be?

Why was George Bush smoking cigars at the White House with Bandar Bush (the Saudi royal) on September 13th?

Why did the Pentagon fail that audit so miserably?

Why would Bush and Cheney only testify to the 9-11 Committee if they could be together?

Why did Urban Moving Systems go out of business so abruptly?

Some people can miss work. George W. Bush is a goof, he's not a mastermind.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. No one in charge back then would allow the Twin Towers of all things to be destroyed if they knew it was coming. There are terrorist threats against the U.S. every year, you just never know which to take seriously.

How many times have Russia or Iran or North Korea threatened the U.S. for example? We just don't take it seriously, so back in 2001 nobody took a third world country of disgusting extremists like the Taliban seriously.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Primitive cavemen don't learn how to fly planes into buildings. That is about as common sense as you can get.

You also have to look at who benefits from these attacks.

America did not benefit, thousands of innocent lives lost, and they were dragged into wars that cost a lot of money and troops.

The Muslim world did not benefit, much of it was destablised and destroyed because of the invasions conducted on the basis of 9/11.

Israel was the biggest beneficiary of 9/11 because America was doing the heavy lifting for them in destroying their enemies in the Middle East after the attacks, further entrenching it as the dominant power in the Middle East.

[CyberCubed]

All I have to say to that is:

Criminals will pay for their crimes.

And:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57360696f699bbae5ebcbf17/1478013811306-56C43S0826M7TJA4JQFK/image-asset.jpeg

[FredWolfLeonardo]

All I have to say to that is:

Criminals will pay for their crimes.


BASED!

You were Anti-Trump this whole time, you were right all this time and you deserve my apology form as a former Trump supporter.

Come on ToTheNines, if we have CyberCubed on our side, we will effortlessly take down this criminal TrumpStein Administration!

[Coola Yagami]

If you assume the Fred Wolf cartoons seasons take place roughly in each year they aired in, we haven't really seen them past 1995/1996.

Even aside from that, how would the Turtles react to 9/11 happening? Now naturally they would be horrified, as were people in real life, but do you think the Turtles would especially be distraught that they couldn't save close to 3,000 lives in their home city from an act of terrorism? I like to assume all the events in real life happened in their world as well.

ESPECIALLY when you remember the twin towers were actually a plot point in one episode of Season 3 where Shredder/Krang were using it to repower the Technodrome.

I'd assume they'd first suspect Shredder and Krang, but then realize just wrecking the towers wouldn't help power the Technodrome or any of their usual plans. Also such a huge loss of life (assuming the buildings in the FW version weren't randomly empty that day cause of insert bad joke here) wouldn't fit the MO of any of their villains.

Going to war is too big for them. They'd probably just watch the news for updates and let the rest of the world handle it once they see it was more 'real' than the usual super villain tomfoolery. If anything, they'd be on the lookout to stop any of their villains or mad scientists that would try to take advantage of the chaos to do their own crimes. I mean, a city in chaos and despair would be the perfect time for Big Louie to start robbing stores, or the Rat King to unleash his armies of rats.

[ToTheNines]

Primitive cavemen don't learn how to fly planes into buildings. That is about as common sense as you can get.

You also have to look at who benefits from these attacks.

America did not benefit, thousands of innocent lives lost, and they were dragged into wars that cost a lot of money and troops.

The Muslim world did not benefit, much of it was destablised and destroyed because of the invasions conducted on the basis of 9/11.

Israel was the biggest beneficiary of 9/11 because America was doing the heavy lifting for them in destroying their enemies in the Middle East after the attacks, further entrenching it as the dominant power in the Middle East.

Several of the attackers were trained to fly planes in America and the FBI knew about it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-was-warned-about-flight-schools/

[ToTheNines]

Someone many many years ago wrote a fan script for a Seinfeld episode set during 9/11. I recall reading a bit of it. It was actually quite well written iirc.

Seinfeld's finale came out in 1998, so only 3 years before the attacks.

Some people can miss work. George W. Bush is a goof, he's not a mastermind.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. No one in charge back then would allow the Twin Towers of all things to be destroyed if they knew it was coming. There are terrorist threats against the U.S. every year, you just never know which to take seriously.

How many times have Russia or Iran or North Korea threatened the U.S. for example? We just don't take it seriously, so back in 2001 nobody took a third world country of disgusting extremists like the Taliban seriously.

https://i.imgur.com/zfwGETG.jpeg

[Prowler]

There were no Twin Towers at all during the 2k3 series. I think they already built the new ones near the end of the Nick toon? Or at least one of the new towers?

Anyway, The 2k3 Turtles are the only ones that could have lived through 9/11 and have clear memories of it, since the series premiered one year after the attacks or so. Nick Turtles would have been babies during 2001-2002, so there's no way they could remember the attacks.

Sure, the FW ones could have as well, since the attacks happened 5 years or so after Fred Wolf ended, but for all we know, they could have died meanwhile. While we can be 100% sure that did not happen to the 2k3 Turtles before the 2003 toon premiered lol

[Andrew NDB]

So it's not like those buildings were strangers to terrorism until 9/11.

Yeah, when Biggie was rapping about "blow up like the World Trade!" he wasn't looking into the future.

And about 9/11, I once wrote a TMNT fanfic...

http://thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/andallthatwas.html

[Jephael]

about 9/11, I once wrote a TMNT fanfic...

http://thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/andallthatwas.html

So did a lot of other fans who used to frequent Mikey's forums. Infact the Mikey who owned that forum did a whole multiverse fan fiction depicting each interpretation of the TMNT, and it ended with Archie's Future Don visiting Peter Laird in the real world.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

There were no Twin Towers at all during the 2k3 series.

They're in the episode Darkness on the Edge of Town

[frank_one]

They're in the episode Darkness on the Edge of TownI guess this means part of the first season was produced before September 2001.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I guess this means part of the first season was produced before September 2001.

I guess season 1 was produced during the autumn-winter of 2001–2002, with time to check out everhything was in order during the autumn of 2002.

[Prowler]

They're in the episode Darkness on the Edge of Town

Oh wow, really? I gotta rewatch that.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Supposedly Kimberly was gonna fly into Melrose Place building but they changed it to planting bombs....afaik episode aired Sept 11 , 1995.

[Leofan26]

I am too lazy to check. I think I recall David Wise saying once that the writers were told to stop using recognizable NY landmarks after the first few seasons (like the twin towers or statue of liberty), I'm not sure the reason but we did stop seeing real life landmarks after awhile.

They did that with a lot of shows post 9/11 they had everything edit the twin towers out. They did this with Friends too.

I’d like to assume Donnie and Leo would fact check this than seek out revenge for the lost of many lives. Than pay a tribute to them after they defeat the bad guys.

[neatoman]

Would Shredder and Krang react the same way Dr. Doom did?
https://i.redd.it/60w7m8rkcwlb1.jpg

[ToTheNines]

:lol: Jesus Christ… who wrote that one?

[neatoman]

:lol: Jesus Christ… who wrote that one?

Amazing Spider-Man Vol 2 #36 (Legacy numbering #477), written by J. Michael Straczynski.

I suppose the issue was well meaning but it's just really awkward on so many levels.

[CyberCubed]

That reminds me when The Joker said that he is no Nazi, because he kills anyone regardless of race. :lol:

[ToTheNines]

Amazing Spider-Man Vol 2 #36 (Legacy numbering #477), written by J. Michael Straczynski.

I suppose the issue was well meaning but it's just really awkward on so many levels.

Oh wow, one of the GOATs!

That reminds me when The Joker said that he is no Nazi, because he kills anyone regardless of race. :lol:

Yeah don’t get me started. Some writers are so pathetic. I hate the whole thing about villains being “evil but not problematic”. Just shut the hell up.

[ZariusTwo]

Amazing Spider-Man Vol 2 #36 (Legacy numbering #477), written by J. Michael Straczynski.

I suppose the issue was well meaning but it's just really awkward on so many levels.

JMS was a great Spider-Man writer, but he also was responsible for some of the franchise's all-time stinkers too (though not all of them were his fault)

[sdp]

When you are watching a fictional show with a specific setting that isn't political, you kind of have to ignore that real life geopolitics are happening there or that future events of the world would've happened. It just breaks the show's reality if you do that.

So yeah, it never happened in the FW show, now could they have been destroyed by say a villain? Sure but it wouldn't have had the same impact, it would've been something like when Shredder destroyed the Channel 6 building, short term consequences.

I think it'd be more interesting to know if the towers ever existed in the 2003 cartoon since this was after it happened. I'm guessing the answer would be no just easier to avoid that whole topic but at least you can have a debate.

[TheLabRat]

If fictional stories can not ignore real life geopolitics, then given the current state of New York, the Turtles Turtles might be wanted for attack specific criminals, and they might eventually become so disillusioned with the city's distorted morality that they decide to leave for Northampton or somewhere else.

[CyberCubed]

Funny thing is Mirage Vol. 4 made reference to 9/11, so the twin towers were destroyed in the Mirage comics. It doesn't seem like the Turtles could do anything about it. The Turtles should of went to Afghanistan for an arc.

[ToTheNines]

Dean Clarrain should have written Vol. 4 :lol: