Unaired Episodes on DVD

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Does anyone have any idea what these episodes might be regarding Season 1 of the old cartoon being released on DVD? I know there are some theories about this floating around.

"Oh, no you don't!"
"Oh, yes we do!"

Donatello and Bebop, from "Four Turtles and a Baby"

[Splinter]

Well, they're probably not season 1 episodes. That's for sure. There are some known scripts that couldn't be confirmed being made and never aired or not. If these four are of those, it could be very very intresting. :)

[Eidiot88]

In an interview with Eastman I belive he said there were some "unseen episodes" that he wished to release someday. I just hope they are good and not a big let down. (I will also try to post the interview if it is worth it.)

[jeff the cheff]

Most of the old cartoon was unseen to me because I missed a lot of it, being young and all. I'm happy that they will be on DVD.

I think I remember reading in an interview about some unseen episodes, they made the episode but it never got to TV I think.

[Jarrah White]

Hmm, unaired episodes huh? Maybe they never aired because they were too violent. Wonder what happened their plotlines were.

[Reznorite420]

The only unaired episode I know of that actually had a script written was "Shredder In Love".

Still, it'll be a real treat to finally see these "lost episodes". Of course, with all things, this never happens until years after it originally premieres.

[Taloniss]

Maybe they never aired because they were too violent.

They would have just edited it. And if it's not from the first season, I doubt it would be violent at all, seeing as the 'toon got toned way down.

[Karpo_007]

My guess is they will be from season 3 or 4. So I am not too excited about it.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

The only unaired episode I know of that actually had a script written was "Shredder In Love".

I have heard of this "episode." Isn't it one where he falls head over heels for April? That makes sense seeing as how I always felt he had a crush on her in the first place. He only kidnapped her three dozen times. :P

My guess is they will be from season 3 or 4. So I am not too excited about it.

:lol:

I find that humorous since I would love it if the lost episodes were from those seasons. They were my favorites!

"Why can you never find a Foot Soldier when you want one?" - Krang, from "Planet of the Turtles"

[Karpo_007]

Well you know what I think about those seasons... Certainly not my thing.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yes, I know exactly how you feel about them. Anyone who's spent five minutes on these forums understands your preferences! :lol:

But what if they were written by David Wise? You seem to like him. Then would it be worth it?

"I thought we were doing a news show, not a commercial!" - Vernon, from "Raphael Meets His Match"

[Karpo_007]

Most definetly. His episodes are pretty much the only ones from season 3 and 4 I can say I enjoy watching.

[MW8979]

If these "unaired episodes" are truly original, it's unlikely that they're some sort of "hidden gems" that we haven't seen yet. If anything, they're probably really crappy or boring episodes that they tossed aside in the 80's for some other episodes, possibly because they were over the limit of how many episodes could be aired in that season. So I don't expect them to be glorious but should still be fun to watch, at least the first time around, simply because we haven't seen them yet.

[MrPliggins]

If these "unaired episodes" are truly original, it's unlikely that they're some sort of "hidden gems" that we haven't seen yet. If anything, they're probably really crappy or boring episodes that they tossed aside in the 80's for some other episodes, possibly because they were over the limit of how many episodes could be aired in that season. So I don't expect them to be glorious but should still be fun to watch, at least the first time around, simply because we haven't seen them yet.


Yeah, you know, when USA first acquired the TMNT show, I was excited to learn they were going to air 13 previously unaired episodes. After watching them, they were some of my least favorite episodes of the entire series.
It would be cool though, if these unaired episodes tied up some holes from episodes like "night of the rogues".. maybe an episode that introduces Scumbug or something. Or maybe it will tell how Tempestra escaped from the video game again and all of a sudden wants money, which made absolutely no sense to me.

[Deathknight]

Night of the Rouges just made no sense at all anyway. They were just desperate for an episode idea I guess. Anyway, I think it would be better in "Shredder in Love" if they was a female ninja just like him that he encounters. That would be great.

[PizzaPower]

well poeple stop complaing about the es, at least the TMNT are back for good!!!

[Mondo_Gecko]

I also had this to say. I'm really excited about these lost episodes. I'm really hoping that it would have episodes with Ace Duck or Man Ray. Those two really deserved an episode and origin story. It would be also awesome to have more mutant stories i'm also hoping maybe it would include my favourites the Frogs and Mondo Gecko.

I can Dream.

[Reznorite420]

My guess is they will be from season 3 or 4. So I am not too excited about it.:roll:

[Splinter]

Well, we did have a couple threads a while ago, that pointed to evidence of five missing episodes. So maybe they were made after all. Here's the links and some relevent info. :)
About the missing eps, I did an extensive search at copyright.gov and loc.gov, and made an ep list with all the most official production numbers and publishing (air) dates I could find. Still, these five, 9059-048, 9059-049, 9059-050, 9059-064, and 9059-065 seem to have been skipped over. I've never found anything suggesting that these are unused scripts, so if grunger_kittie wouldn't mind letting me know where this info was seen, I'd be very appreciative. It would make a perfect addition to my list.
Here's (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&th=c899e0bbe500bced&seekm=3 5Ala.246%24y16.156%40newssvr16.news.prodigy.com&fr ame=off) the newsgroup thread that mentions the 5 missing eps. Also, I found this info from the copyright database at loc.gov:

Registration Number: PAu-1-533-396
Title: Shredder's in love.
Series: Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Note: Television script.
Claimant: Scott Hilley
Created: 1991
Registered: 5Aug91
Author on © Application: Scott Hilley.
Special Codes: 3/D

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=146832
http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3653

[Albrecht]

i hope 1 is a slash ep. one has casey one has metalhead and one has lots of violence

[Bowser_Koopa]

Most of the old cartoon was unseen to me because I missed a lot of it, being young and all. I'm happy that they will be on DVD.

I think I remember reading in an interview about some unseen episodes, they made the episode but it never got to TV I think.

we had 'em on mornings, and if i wanted watch it i had to skip school, some how i managed to watch a lot of episodes :evilgrin:

[MW8979]

I certainly would hope one of those episodes would highlight Krang's past. For instance, how did he and Shreeka get to know each other? To me, Dimension X and Krang are really the final frontier of original TMNT, since we know next to nothing about them. But I suppose there is a fat chance of that happening..... ever.

[Trunks]

I'm just glad their making it

P.S. how much do you think it will cost.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Another thing I wonder about is the quality of these lost episodes. Since they were never aired, does that mean they will be of lesser screen quality, even when given the DVD enhancement treatment?

All too often, I have seen things on DVDs that were "lost" added as bonus features, and it's of terrible quality.

"There are two a things a dude needs if he's gonna windsurf: wind . . . and surf!" - Michaelangelo, from "Funny, They Shrunk Michaelangelo"

[Anarchistguy]

Do you think the eps will have character designs showed on Trunks' sig?

[raphael90]

The only unaired episode I know of that actually had a script written was "Shredder In Love".

This I gotta see! :D

Do you think the eps will have character designs showed on Trunks' sig?

Don't know, but if they are it would ROCK! I always loved their early designs...wish whoever did the first episode stayed on to do more.

[Bry]

My guess is they will be from season 3 or 4. So I am not too excited about it.
I'm with you, buddy.

Season one was really the only great season... Better animation (though less consistent, it just looked cooler), far better writing, and generally edgier and more interesting as a series. Things nosedived into goofy comedic adventures pretty quickly afterwards.

Not that those stories didn't have their appeal, but I certainly don't prefer them.

[usotsuki]

Personally, I think the 1988 and 1989 seasons were good too, although with "Plan 6 (?) from Outer Space" it jumped the shark.

A few good eps aired in 1990 and 1991 on CBS though. ;)

-uso.

[Reznorite420]

Bry_Katz: Seasons 2 and 3 weren't THAT goofy..."humourous", yes, but at least it still had a little action, and the dialogue was more than what it was after season 3.

If you ask me, the kind of "goofiness" you're referring to didn't truly come until season 4 when the dialogue started going downhill and the action being nearly obliterated.

[MW8979]

Coincidentally, that is exactly when the show first became syndicated. Can you say "Greedy execs sold out"?

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Personally, I think the 1988 and 1989 seasons were good too, although with "Plan 6 (?) from Outer Space" it jumped the shark.

There's that phrase again. Jumped the Shark. Gosh, how I hate when people refer to that. Not that I'm attacking you, Usotsuki. I just don't think the old cartoon ever jumped the shark.

Not that early, anyway.

If there ever was a "jump the shark" moment for me, it's when the main villain was replaced, and anything resembling the first eight seasons of the old cartoon were completely forgotten.

It's one thing to revamp a show to pump some new life into it. It's another thing to completely trash it, turn it into something its not, and all for the sake of ratings.

But I digress.

Back to the main topic of discussion. I would love to know if there were episodes between Season 3's "The Big Blow Out" and Season 4's "Plan 6 from Outer Space." It never made sense to me -- honestly, it still doesn't -- how the Technodrome crashed upside down into some Mega-Technodrome thing at the end of Season 3, only to appear on an asteroid rightside up again at the beginning of Season 4. You're not telling me the writers just completely ignored this fact?

I would love an answer to this, but I'll probably never get one.

"Will you pretend to be me?" - Donatello, from "Donatello's Degree"

[turtleking]

no attacking other members it says this in the rules so don't get your self into trouble like I did.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

no attacking other members it says this in the rules so don't get your self into trouble like I did.

If you had read my post -- rather than skimmed it -- you'd have noticed how I deliberately stated, "Not that I'm attacking you, Usotsuki."

Please read a person's post before you comment on it. And that request is not an attack. I don't know how you could have interpreted my previous post as an attack.

I've been here long enough, commented in plenty of threads, to know the rules. I consider myself one of the old-school members of this board.

But I digress. Again.

I sure have been doing that a lot today! :lol:

"Do not worry. It will pass." - Splinter, from "Enter the Rat King"

[turtleking]

sorry having a bad day. someone please hit me.

[MW8979]

Personally, I think the 1988 and 1989 seasons were good too, although with "Plan 6 (?) from Outer Space" it jumped the shark.

There's that phrase again. Jumped the Shark. Gosh, how I hate when people refer to that. Not that I'm attacking you, Usotsuki. I just don't think the old cartoon ever jumped the shark.

Not that early, anyway.

If there ever was a "jump the shark" moment for me, it's when the main villain was replaced, and anything resembling the first eight seasons of the old cartoon were completely forgotten.

It's one thing to revamp a show to pump some new life into it. It's another thing to completely trash it, turn it into something its not, and all for the sake of ratings.

But I digress.

Back to the main topic of discussion. I would love to know if there were episodes between Season 3's "The Big Blow Out" and Season 4's "Plan 6 from Outer Space." It never made sense to me -- honestly, it still doesn't -- how the Technodrome crashed upside down into some Mega-Technodrome thing at the end of Season 3, only to appear on an asteroid rightside up again at the beginning of Season 4. You're not telling me the writers just completely ignored this fact?

I would love an answer to this, but I'll probably never get one.

"Will you pretend to be me?" - Donatello, from "Donatello's Degree"

Most likely, they did just ignore that. They probably thought kids wouldn't care anyway, and they certainly were right, most of their audience didn't. However, if you're looking for a logical answer to this, most likely what did happen is that the Technodrome was dislodged by the rock soldiers and sent afloat, after that it just landed on an asteroid. I don't know, that's the best I could come up with.

[Deathknight]

I loved Plan Six From Outer Space. That was probably one of the best season 4 episodes. Bebop and Rocksteady vice presidents of programming at channel 6 lol.

[Coola Yagami]

Plan 6 from Outer Space was great except they kept showing it like once a week after it first aired... it's like.. every time they ran out of an ep to show.. they'd show that one.

It was also weird cause when CBS had the tmnt we had 2 storied at once. On CBS the technodrome was in the artic while on channel 50 it was on that asteroid on dimension X.

[usotsuki]

I'm not saying that the show *sucked* after 1989, but that it just wasn't what it was before. I like the episode with Rondo... XD

As for eps... I'll be damned, but it would be nice to be able to download them... I used to have several tapes of episodes. Most of them I got off the air... The tapes wore out or broke -_-; so I don't have them anymore... Heh. I've dug Turtles for 15 years-ish... :P

-uso.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

It was also weird cause when CBS had the tmnt we had 2 storied at once. On CBS the technodrome was in the artic while on channel 50 it was on that asteroid on dimension X.

Personally, I think it's incredible that the old cartoon was featured on three separate networks in its prime. First there was FOX; then CBS; and, finally, USA.

Rumors of the old cartoon appearing on the Cartoon Network never panned out. And I also remember, though faintly, about it possibly being on Nickelodeon. But I dismissed this rumor long ago since that network usually only runs the programs it creates.

Keep in mind, the Nickelodeon rumor surfaced over 10 years ago, so next to nobody even remembers it. Except me, your resident Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan! :lol:

"Makes sense!" - Donatello, from "Planet of the Turtles"

[MrPliggins]

[quote=Coola Yagami]It was also weird cause when CBS had the tmnt we had 2 storied at once. On CBS the technodrome was in the artic while on channel 50 it was on that asteroid on dimension X.

Personally, I think it's incredible that the old cartoon was featured on three separate networks in its prime. First there was FOX; then CBS; and, finally, USA.

quote]

funny, I don't remember the original cartoon ever being on FOX, and I watched it since 1988.

[usotsuki]

funny, I don't remember the original cartoon ever being on FOX, and I watched it since 1988.

It wasn't, but most stations that aired it were probably Fox affiliates.

-uso.

[GK Punk]

It aired here on a fox affiliate.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yeah, that applied to me as well. Ours was Fox 42.

The lady who was on the channel (the host?) was always like, "And now get ready for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, right here on Fox 42 Kids Club!" :lol:

Ah, those were the days.

"Michaelangelo, you have just volunteered for an experiment!"
"I have?"

Donatello and Michaelangelo, from "Donatello's Makes Time"

[VaughnMichael]

that's odd it was first on fox when it aired when I was growing up in pittsburgh wpgh fox 53
-Vaughn Michael

[usotsuki]

that's odd it was first on fox when it aired when I was growing up in pittsburgh wpgh fox 53
-Vaughn Michael

The channel on which I usually watched TMNT was NYC WPIX 11, an independent station. (The Fox affiliate was WNYW 9) However, WSYT (Syracuse, NY) which aired it was a Fox affiliate.

-uso.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..Syndication



:goofygri: ..it's like magic..

[VaughnMichael]

that's odd it was first on fox when it aired when I was growing up in pittsburgh wpgh fox 53
-Vaughn Michael

The channel on which I usually watched TMNT was NYC WPIX 11, an independent station. (The Fox affiliate was WNYW 9) However, WSYT (Syracuse, NY) which aired it was a Fox affiliate.

-uso.
where are you located? that might be a big differnce as to why it was on a non fox chanel....it was also on sunday mornings here when it first started..I remeber pissing my mother off because I refused to go to church so I could watch tmnt ^_^
-Vaughn Michael

[usotsuki]

that's odd it was first on fox when it aired when I was growing up in pittsburgh wpgh fox 53
-Vaughn Michael

The channel on which I usually watched TMNT was NYC WPIX 11, an independent station. (The Fox affiliate was WNYW 9) However, WSYT (Syracuse, NY) which aired it was a Fox affiliate.

-uso.
where are you located? that might be a big differnce as to why it was on a non fox chanel....it was also on sunday mornings here when it first started..I remeber pissing my mother off because I refused to go to church so I could watch tmnt ^_^
-Vaughn Michael

At the time I watched it on a New York City TV station (please read my message a bit more) :P

-uso.

[gobo]

Back then, I didn't get FOX, but I saw the first 5 eps cycling for weeks on a local independent channel the christmas it started. But, when the new eps were ready, NBC in Baton Rouge quickly picked it up.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

NBC? Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard of the old cartoon airing on that network.

I'm hoping this DVD set, if done right, will be a foreshadowing of things to come. If it sells well, we could be in luck with future seasons being released.

And who knows how many other episodes were made that were never aired? There could be more than four! That would be nice. :)

"Is any of this helping, Master?" - Donatello, from "Blast from the Past"

[TournamentFightersOwns]

I wish USA still showed the TMNT cartoon,or the Street Fighter cartoon. USA is mostly an afterthought network ever since WWF{now WWE} left in 2000.

[MrPliggins]

funny, I don't remember the original cartoon ever being on FOX, and I watched it since 1988.

It wasn't, but most stations that aired it were probably Fox affiliates.

-uso.

ohh ok, that makes more sense... for me, back in '87, it was on at 6:30 am saturday mornings on ABC.....then it went on to channel 43 (cleveland) in 1989 with "Beneath These Streets"... that channel didn't really have an affiliate at the time. i think it's upn now though

[GodzFire]

I wish USA still showed the TMNT cartoon,of the Street Fighter cartoon. USA is mostly an afterthought network ever since WWF Programming left it.

You know it, this coming from a huge WWF/E fan :-)

[the_minimizer]

I'm suprised that the makers of TMNT weren't sued by Atari and/or Namco for using sound effects from Pac-man in "Plan 6 From outer space".

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I'm suprised that the makers of TMNT weren't sued by Atari and/or Namco for using sound effects from Pac-man in "Plan 6 From outer space".

Actually, I'm pretty sure the producers had to pay some kind of fee to include any sounds in their episodes that weren't their own.

For example, take the episodes "Night of the Dark Turtle" from Season 7 and "The New Mutation" from Season 9. If you listen carefully, you can definitely tell they used dinosaur sounds from the "Jurassic Park" movies. Since I've seen those movies so many times, I can definitely hear the Tyrannosaurus Rex and Velociraptor in the episodes mentioned. If the Ninja Turtles had taken those sound bytes without Universal Pictures' permission, there could have been a lawsuit. But, as with most shows, they just pay a fee to use those sounds and everyone's happy.

I never noticed there were sounds from Pac-Man in "Plan 6 from Outer Space." I never played that game much. But if there are, I'm sure the show paid some sort of fee to include them in the program.

"That's why I don't run myself ragged fighting like the rest of you. I use my brains!" - Donatello, from "Night of the Dark Turtle"

[Roseangelo]

For me, TMNT aired on KMSP 9, which would eventually be UPN, but not until after TMNT was off syndication.

Personally, I'm just assuming that these "lost" episodes are some of the European vacation episodes that didn't air on USA, but did air in Canada.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

There are conflicting reports now as to just how many unaired episodes will be featured on the upcoming DVD release. Some sources have said there will be four; and more recent information has stated there will only be two.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

"Four! Count 'em! Four turtles!" - Donatello, from "Cowabunga, Shredhead"

[usotsuki]

For me, TMNT aired on KMSP 9, which would eventually be UPN, but not until after TMNT was off syndication.

Personally, I'm just assuming that these "lost" episodes are some of the European vacation episodes that didn't air on USA, but did air in Canada.

They indeed aired on USA, that's where I saw them.

-uso.

[Roseangelo]

Not all of them, though.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Not all of them, though.

How do you know this? :-?

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"Hhmmpphh! I prefer the real thing!"

Shredder and Baxter Stockman, from "The Mean Machines"