Hellboy

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

I can't wait to see this flick, the comic book kicks so much ass. Too bad it's getting alot of bad rep considering that there might be a sequel with rumour going 'round that Bruce Campbell might be being eyed for a role.... :(

[Stone Ill]

Bruce Campbell kicks ass!

But besides that, I think that Hellboy might be pretty good.

[Voltron]

I'll see it

[愛]

I'm skeptical, but it looks pretty good from the previews. I don't expect much from movies anymore, though.

[That Matt Guy]

I never read the comics, or books, or whatever. What is the deal with this dude?

http://irev.net/matthew138/webCat3.jpg

That's got to be the coolest thing I have ever seen.

[Taloniss]

That's Kroenen, he was part of the group that summoned Hellboy to Earth for the Third Reich (to try to turn the tide of the war in the closing days)

I'll definetly see it, I'm a huge Hellboy fan, and the movie looks really good.

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

That's Kroenen, he was part of the group that summoned Hellboy to Earth for the Third Reich (to try to turn the tide of the war in the closing days)

I'll definetly see it, I'm a huge Hellboy fan, and the movie looks really good.

Yes, he wasn't a huge part of Hellboy either. They just greatly expanded his character for the movie. (Though those blades do look kick ass.)

I have gotten extremely lucky since I have a nearby library that carries Wake the Devil, Right Hand of Doom and Chained Coffin and Others. :D

[Brodie]

I'm seeing this movie, it looks so good. Ron Pearlman is so badass. And it would be cool if Bruce was in it too. Either would be good. Both are B movie gods.

[Raven]

this is movie i really want to see, i havent read the comic thhough.

[Taloniss]

Yes, he wasn't a huge part of Hellboy either. They just greatly expanded his character for the movie. (Though those blades do look kick ass.)

Yeah, he was mostly their for visuals. He had a small part in...Wake the Devil I think. He looks totally badass in the movie, I'm glad they made him a bigger character.

[Krutch]

Bruce Campbell's my favorite actor. But Hellboy seems rather silly....

I'll still see it and pick it p on DVD though. I'm a sucker for super hero movies :(

i HATE the Hulk and still bought it on DVD...

[Brodie]

Hellboy will probably be better than the Blade movies...and Spider-Man.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

It seems like one of the better comic flicks. You can tell a lot of effort and heart was put into this flick by watching the interviews previews.

[Barkworm]

The previews look very good, maybe I'll goo see it.

[Brodie]

It seems like one of the better comic flicks. You can tell a lot of effort and heart was put into this flick by watching the interviews previews.

Yep, Magolia(sp) said that the film is closer to the comics than he would have dreamed.

[CookSux]

I dunno, looks kinda cheese to me.

[Mars-Chan]

"Skip to the end will you: How do I kill it?" - Hellboy

BEST...QUOTE...EVER!!!!!!!! :lol:

Not next to the one in my posts...mind you... :P :lol:

[Wes]

Yeah, it looks pretty interesting, at least from what I've seen in the trailers and on the Best Buy preview disc. Will I rush out to see it on opening day? Nah, probably not (may try to download an advance screener though :D), but I might make it to the theater at some point, and I'll definitely give it a look when it hits dvd. I'm not familiar with the comics, so maybe I'll give them a look too -- I'm sure there will be a movie adaptation comic (if there isn't one already), so maybe I should look for that. The Blade II movie adaptation convinced me not to waste my time seeing the movie in theaters -- and when I finally got around to watching it, I was glad that I hadn't. That flick made me want to punch stuff.

And Kroenen does look badass...but what's up with all the Nazi stuff? I'm tired of Nazi villains. The Nazis were villains, yes, but Hitler's agenda (and beliefs, and person) were a lot more complicated than these one (or maybe two) dimensional comic/cartoon/movie bad guys make them out to be. Bloody hell.

[Taloniss]

Yeah, it looks pretty interesting, at least from what I've seen in the trailers and on the Best Buy preview disc. Will I rush out to see it on opening day? Nah, probably not (may try to download an advance screener though :D), but I might make it to the theater at some point, and I'll definitely give it a look when it hits dvd. I'm not familiar with the comics, so maybe I'll give them a look too -- I'm sure there will be a movie adaptation comic (if there isn't one already), so maybe I should look for that. The Blade II movie adaptation convinced me not to waste my time seeing the movie in theaters -- and when I finally got around to watching it, I was glad that I hadn't. That flick made me want to punch stuff.

And Kroenen does look badass...but what's up with all the Nazi stuff? I'm tired of Nazi villains. The Nazis were villains, yes, but Hitler's agenda (and beliefs, and person) were a lot more complicated than these one (or maybe two) dimensional comic/cartoon/movie bad guys make them out to be. Bloody hell.

I doubt there will be a comic book adaption. I haven't heard any news on one, and the movie is faithful enough to the comics that they're close enough. Plus it seems only Marvel/DC try to cash in on that. (Comics inspires movie, inspires comic...a viscious cirlce indeed)

Nazi's are in there because in the comics they summoned Hellyboy to Earth, and they were treated as more then one dimensional comics.

Hellboy: "Hey, hey! Second date? No tongue!"

[That Matt Guy]

And Kroenen does look badass...but what's up with all the Nazi stuff? I'm tired of Nazi villains. The Nazis were villains, yes, but Hitler's agenda (and beliefs, and person) were a lot more complicated than these one (or maybe two) dimensional comic/cartoon/movie bad guys make them out to be. Bloody hell.

It is more complicated, but if you want true to life Third Reich ideolgies in movies like this don't hold your breath.

[cqb101]

This is my new favorite movie. I just finsihed reading the novelization and I already know I'm gonna love the movie. I'm a pretty big fan of the comics, too.

[bufo]

I'm really looking forward to this movie, I'm a big fan of the comics, and from what I've seen in the trailers this one is nog going to dissapoint

[Taloniss]

This is my new favorite movie. I just finsihed reading the novelization and I already know I'm gonna love the movie. I'm a pretty big fan of the comics, too.

I bought the novelization (Along with Bones of Giants, The Lost Army, Odd jobs, plus the Punisher novelization, the new Flash book and the new Buffy book. Lots of reading to do :)) on my last run to the book store, but I'm holding off on reading it. Last time I read a novelization before the movie, my enjoyment of the movie went down because I knew everything that was going to happen. I'll read it afterwords though :)

[Wes]

So there probably won't be a comic adaptation, but there's a novelization? I could go for that, then. How much did it run you?

[Brodie]

6.99 at Waldens. But Novelezations always seem to dissapoint...

[MW8979]

I find it to be in poor taste to basically imply that members of the NDSAP were really demons from hell or were associated with demons. It's just insulting to the reality of history and greatly diminishes the complexity and impact of what really happened in the 30's and 40's.

[Brodie]

It isn't meant to make controversy. It's just a "What if" scenario.

[Splinter]

Exactly, consider it an 'Alternate Reality'. It doesn't do anything to what really happened back then. It's not meant to be a 'Historical' movie. It's meant to be a fun movie. If you're gonna nitpick the fact that it's not 'real', then you should hate all movies. Since most of them arn't real. :)

[cqb101]

I find it to be in poor taste to basically imply that members of the NDSAP were really demons from hell or were associated with demons. It's just insulting to the reality of history and greatly diminishes the complexity and impact of what really happened in the 30's and 40's.

So, you're probably not a big Indiana Jones fan either? The same things can be said about raiders of the lost arc and the last crusade. Plus, Hellboy is a comic and comics NEVER imply anything.

[Wes]

I'm not a big Indiana Jones fan, but I get SuperShredder84's point...I think I mentioned something along those lines earlier. Yea, most movies aren't real, are set in "alternate universes," what have you, but there's really no need for things to keep relying on the evil demonic Nazi party to give the villains some clout. (Btw, can someone explain to me -- via pm or here; wherever -- how the Nazi addition is more complex in the Hellboy comics? I don't mean that as a challenge; I'm seriously interested. I will say I'm skeptical, though.) One could just as easily make a fictitious order with complex goals, etc., that isn't explicitly modeled after the Nazi party.

As far as the novelization goes, for $6.99 I could just see the blasted movie, eh? :P

[Brodie]

It really doesn't say anything about Germans or the Nazi party. Its like a small group of 3 or 4 crazy effin' Nazis who just won't let the war go. So it isn't really against Nazi's or Germans.

Let it rest.

[Wes]

It really doesn't say anything about Germans or the Nazi party. Its like a small group of 3 or 4 crazy effin' Nazis who just won't let the war go. So it isn't really against Nazi's or Germans.

Let it rest.All the more reason that they didn't have to be Nazis in the first place. :P

By the way, statements like "let it rest" only serve to keep topics/arguments going longer, especially when there's been no definite resolution. And if it's a friendly dispute -- I certainly wasn't upset with the conversation, and I'm still interested in knowing why Nazis fit so well within the Hellboy mythos -- you'll probably end up hurting someone's feelings or making someone who wasn't already angry a little peeved, at the very least. Writing "let it rest" is almost like saying "shut up."

Just saying... :tangel:

[Brodie]

I was saying shut up.

joking.

I dunno why, but I have to agree that it seems like the closer Hellboy comes, it will raise some disputes. I can see why people will get edgy about "Oh, Nazi guys got crazy and summoned a demon from Hell and it was to win the war." but it isn't really like it actually happen, or could, or anything to say about German people. But it's mostly like it is for anyone who makes a story. Take the idea behind the Spider-Man 9-11 story. Spider-Man wasn't there, nor was Wolvie or Cap America. But it was a good story. Nazis never made an open gate to Hell, or summoned a demon, nor did the demon become a good guy, etc. But it's a good story.

I'm taking back the "Let it rest" comment, this is interesting.

[MW8979]

As was said before, I don't like most movies fiddling around with history for that exact reason, lack of precision and accuracy just to make a sale. It only serves to feed the general ignorance about the subject by presenting stereotypes and dichotomies. Indiana Jones is a little bit different, because although it's inaccurate most of the time, the amusing and over the top unlikely action sequences partially compensate for that. But to be perfectly honest, those sort of movies are really getting harder to watch as time goes on, especially when you know the a great deal about the reality of WWII. That's why when I go to see scifi films, I prefer things with original plots and characters detached from reality, like Star Wars or Terminator.

[That Matt Guy]

Honestly, Raiders of the Lost Ark has some basis in reality. The SS actually had archaeological detachments that spanned out across the world to search for things like the ark of the covenant (but not the way the movie depicts it). The purposes of why the Nazis were looking for things like that are somewhat unknown. Maybe as seen in the movie they wanted to turn it into a weapon of some kind. Who knows.

Raising a demon from hell to help the Nazis win the war is extremely far-fetched, but it makes just a little sense considering Hitler and Heinrich Himmler's documented obsessions with the occult. That's probably why Kroenen is wearing a SS uniform.

It's a movie too, get a clue people. It's entertainment. I could write paragraphs about whats wrong with any movie depicting WWII.

[MW8979]

They were looking for those relics in order to a) add them to Hitler's proposed super world art museum in Linz and b) to help justify the existence of the reich by somehow tying in the existence of those relics with the importance of the german race. I mean, at one point, they were trying to create a myth that aryans really came from Atlantis and were the first advanced culture on Earth.

[That Matt Guy]

They were looking for those relics in order to a) add them to Hitler's proposed super world art museum in Linz and b) to help justify the existence of the reich by somehow tying in the existence of those relics with the importance of the german race. I mean, at one point, they were trying to create a myth that aryans really came from Atlantis and were the first advanced culture on Earth.

I don't know about the museum, but that would add some sense to it.

But the Nazis weren't trying to create the Atlantis Myth, that theory had existed for decades. The theory itself is that the Aryan race had evacuated Atlantis and eventually ended up in Tibet from where it spread out across the world. (That's why the SS went over all over the world looking for junk that could support this theory) The idea was considered valid pre 1945 -- not just in Germany, but all across the western world too.

[Voltron]

Hitler quested for those relics for their supernatural powers. The Spear of Longinus, for example, is supposedly capable of piercing any material. Naturally, Hitler was obsessed with it and literally had the museum where it was held raided so that he could add it to his collection.
Let's not forget that Hitler was just a teeny bit crazy, and he used this items kind of like holy good luck charms.

[Brodie]

All valid information, but I think Matty-boy said it best....Let me emphasize it more...

Just a F*CKING movie.

It's not like the comic creator is saying "This actually happened" like the people who rereleased TCM, and the original TCM. Sure, it was BASED around some actual events but it never really happened, not like that. Just a movie. And no where does it state "This is true....Pay us 8 bucks...go ahead.....do it.................come on....It's like A& E and ****."

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

It's just a movie/comic folks.

"Oh, Nazi guys got crazy and summoned a demon from Hell and it was to win the war." - Brodie

Err..more like a Russian who was "hired" to bring about a weapon,"to end the war". :P Though Rasputin didn't summon Hellboy for that. (I find it more to be a fluke that Hellboy ended up on Earth. The ceremony was for a whole 'nother reason. Too bad the Nazis didn't realize how close they came to certain doom. :lol: )

"That's why when I go to see scifi films, I prefer things with original plots and characters detached from reality, like Star Wars or Terminator."

You obviously don't know much about Hellboy then. :lol: There is only one plot element that deals with WWII, and that's in the first ten minutes. The rest is much, much different. (Hellboy is basically about him as he lives his life as a paranormal investigator.)

[Triceraton]

I just thought I'd point out that the Nazis were a little interested in the supernatural and the occult. I would point out some of their early, lesser known visits to Tibet as an example of that. Hitler's obsession with the Spear of Destiny is another example.
So it's not really that much of a stretch for the sake of fiction that a group of Nazis couldn't have actually tried something and succeeded. Ok, maybe it is. :)

But in a movie where the hero is a huge red demon, does it really matter?No one is taking this as historical fact anyway(to do that, you'd have to believe a certain "mad monk" survived his famous death, along with many other things...). Besides that, Kroenen is more than just a Nazi, I've seen what he looks like in this movie underneath the mask...


The comics, at least the ones I've read, are great, so I'm very much looking forward to this movie. If anyone is interested, you can read some of the comics online at Dark Horse's webpage: http://www.darkhorse.com/zones/hellboy/downloads.php

[Voltron]

I just thought I'd point out that the Nazis were a little interested in the supernatural and the occult. I would point out some of their early, lesser known visits to Tibet as an example of that. Hitler's obsession with the Spear of Destiny is another example.
So it's not really that much of a stretch for the sake of fiction that a group of Nazis couldn't have actually tried something and succeeded. Ok, maybe it is. :)

But in a movie where the hero is a huge red demon, does it really matter?No one is taking this as historical fact anyway(to do that, you'd have to believe a certain "mad monk" survived his famous death, along with many other things...). Besides that, Kroenen is more than just a Nazi, I've seen what he looks like in this movie underneath the mask...


The comics, at least the ones I've read, are great, so I'm very much looking forward to this movie. If anyone is interested, you can read some of the comics online at Dark Horse's webpage: http://www.darkhorse.com/zones/hellboy/downloads.php

Whoa whoa whoa...hold everything. I was convinced this was historically accurate to the T! What gives? Surely comic books haven't been lying to me these past 70 years.

[That Matt Guy]

Yeah, it's just a movie.

But I wonder how Kroenen won the Knight's Cross, and de-nazified one at that... or how he became a Lieutenant Colonel in the SS for that matter.

[cqb101]

Yeah, it's just a movie.

But I wonder how Kroenen won the Knight's Cross, and de-nazified one at that... or how he became a Lieutenant Colonel in the SS for that matter.

In the novelization, they said that he's "one of the Reich's top scientists, and head of the Thule occult society." So, I dunno.

Here's the exerpt from the book:

He had a good bead on the man scrambling below, and... yes, there he was. He'd been afraid of that. "Karl Ruprecht Kroenen, one of the recich's top scientists. Head of the Thule Occult Society." Broom Grimaced and passed the binoculars back to whitman. "If he's here, this is worse than I thought."

That's from the very begining before they raise hellboy or anything.