Mirage Vol. 4 #15 Discussion (Spoilers)

[Taloniss]

This was an awesome issue! Lots of new developments and good action sequences all around.

I liked that Mikey seems to be bonding with Regenta. It's nice that he has someone else to talk to, and a possible love interest. I wonder how her guards will react to them sneaking off though. His mentioning of the kid thinking he was a cartoon was a nice little nod to the TV shows.

The fight between Raph and Fugitiod kicked shell. Nice to see Fugitoid's gotten some upgrades from out little pink friends and he seems to be able to handle his own. Raph's going to cause alot of destruction now that's he free.

Don's story is interesting. It's still a mystery as to what the dino's are, and the wood people, but they trapped him good. Don's gone back to the fish bowl :lol:

I wonder what nasty thing the foot have done now...something to piss this warrior off and make him see any allies of them as evil. Maybe they're publishing bad things about him :lol:

The only thing, I didn't know who the winged guy was. He reminded me of Ace Duck cross bred with Bug man. So, who was he?

Overall, I give this issue a 9/10. It held my interest, had good action and nice story development.

[Tigershard]

The only problem I had with this issue was... at the end I wanted more!!! Now the two month wait. Can someone make a counter for this?

Don's piece of the story stole the cake for me. I really want to know more about those dinosaur things and the aliens. How are they releated, and where in the shell did Don get transported to?

[ZariusTwo]

I read Laird's letters pages again...this idiot noob asks him about the "Utrom Shredder" saying crap like "YoU maDE ShreDDer Krang" :lol:

[Aztec General]

Wow! What a terriffic issue. I'm officially sold on the new monster Raph, whatever he is (Laird confirms that he is not a vampire in the letters section).

Raph is beast and a half. He decapitated Fugitoid and he blasted Raptar to hell. I'm also really into Leo's battle with the Eunuch warrior. I want to know who or what those guys are and why they hate the Foot so much. Also it seems like we're finally learning a little more about the chaos in Venezula.

[Triceraton]

This was a great issue. I don't think we learned much about the dinosaurs(except that they like to talk like Gollum. :lol: But then, we already knew that. It's still funny though. ) or those plant guys, not yet anyway.

The letters were really good though, I'm glad to hear that Leatherhead will be showing up in the comics again(maybe in a later issue of Tales?) and on the new show again as well.

[lhb412]

So what it all sums up to is this:


Fugitoid- Decapitated
Raptarr-Shot, presumably dead
Donatello-Shrunk down and put in some weird chamber
Raph- rampaging monster
Leo- ass beat by other-demensional warrior
Mikey- flirting....

...someones getting the best of this situation.


Anyway it was an awesome read, and action packed to boot! Also Laird mentioned in the letters collum that Leatherhead will be returning in the cartoon and comics.
:D

hope Fugitiod and Raph get better.

[Jephael]

I haven't gotten this issue yet, but it definitly sounds bad-ass! I'm sure Fugitoid will be okay. He's a robot, so he can be easily repaired.

[Gremlin]

For us (me) who haven't read basically anything from the Mirgae TMNT (except the first two issues or so), What has happened to Raph? I know that it isn't anyone that knows for sure but so far, how have he managed to become...whatever it is?

[Tigershard]

Raph got a bit drunk one night, and while walking home (seriously) he was attacked by vampires who wanted to try "alien" blood. The mutagen crossed with whatever changes people into a vampire changed Raph into some really big, ugly, super strong and angry mutant turtle thing. He was being contained, but broke out. Fugitoid tried to stop him, but got his head ripped off. I'm sure he is ok. I doubt Fugitoid would go that easily.

[Buslady]

For us (me) who haven't read basically anything from the Mirgae TMNT (except the first two issues or so), What has happened to Raph? I know that it isn't anyone that knows for sure but so far, how have he managed to become...whatever it is?

it's really stupid. he gets a little wasted at a bar, walks out and is attacked by some screwy vampires who wanted 'alien' blood....for some reason he ends up evolving into some pathetic excuse for a monster. I'm pissed that he gets F***ed up and Mike gets the girl. Raph should have found peace, not hell after Splinty died. The whole Raph story line is corny...it's like the couldnt find what to do with him so hey 'let's screw him up'...not like he ain't got his own problems.
the vamps should have a few problems of their own drinking mutated reptile blood...

[ZariusTwo]

It's all opinion really...and more or less I know how viciously Volume Four bashers make thier prescene felt in these review threads

Raph's current arc is to deal with the monsters he's supressing...I think at the least, he has become a monster himself and probably has to fiight for inner peace to tame the svage that exists outside.

It's a compelling story...and another example of how great Laird is.

[Peanut]

^^ Well said. All I can say is I loved this issue. The whole Don story has really caught my attention. I loved Raph shooting Raptarr. I hate that guy. Also was I the only one who laughed out loud when ol Honeycutt got his block knocked off by Raphie boy?

[Machias Banshee]

I'm sure MIke likes the fact also that he's got a Dino girl on his mind... ;) :P

[Peanut]

:nod: You know me well!

[Buslady]

It's all opinion really...and more or less I know how viciously Volume Four bashers make thier prescene felt in these review threads

Raph's current arc is to deal with the monsters he's supressing...I think at the least, he has become a monster himself and probably has to fiight for inner peace to tame the svage that exists outside.

It's a compelling story...and another example of how great Laird is.

well thats one way to look at it..i just think if they wanted to do a sort of "inner beast" sort of thing, they could have done it a whole lot better than messing him up.

other than that the other story lines are ok. im not a total v4 basher...just defensive of Raph and when he's mistreated...even by his own creator!

[Jephael]

I don't think Mr. Laird would purposely mistreat Raphael, but I'm sure he has a good reason for having this done to Raph.

[Stefano]

i sucked up on a letter to laird and i got my letter in this issue. i loved this one. I want more. I want to know more about april. Next issue cover looks awesome

[Buslady]

I don't think Mr. Laird would purposely mistreat Raphael, but I'm sure he has a good reason for having this done to Raph.

well i'll try to keep the faith...I just wonder why, does he have some future ideas floating around for him from this???

[ZariusTwo]

Laird is giving Raph "tough love"...even IF "Tough Love" means screwing every part of his character up.

[impetus]

The only thing, I didn't know who the winged guy was. He reminded me of Ace Duck cross bred with Bug man. So, who was he?
well it seems nobody has answered you yet. He's from Issue #2, Mikey met him at the hospital.

For us (me) who haven't read basically anything from the Mirgae TMNT (except the first two issues or so), What has happened to Raph? I know that it isn't anyone that knows for sure but so far, how have he managed to become...whatever it is?Normally I'd tell you to read it but since you're from Sweden I guess I'll let it slide.... :P

[Buslady]

Laird is giving Raph "tough love"...even IF "Tough Love" means screwing every part of his character up.

whatever...


I got it yesterday...sine he's out and causing hell, I want him to go find the bastards who made him like that and gut them.

That bird dude....what's he all about? Birdman's bro ..ahahhaa heheeh....Birdman..attorny at llalaawwwwwwwww heehhe

[Taloniss]

The only thing, I didn't know who the winged guy was. He reminded me of Ace Duck cross bred with Bug man. So, who was he?
well it seems nobody has answered you yet. He's from Issue #2, Mikey met him at the hospital.


Thanks, dude. I don't have the first four issues of vol. 4, so I didn't know about him.

[cqb101]

I loved this issue! Great action, great character interaction(Mike and Regenta) and even more twists! What the hell was up with that giant hamster cage that Don and the Utroms are trapped in? I gotta see where this is going.

[Stefano]

theres a pic of that cage in the back of issue 12. Its a very dumbed down versoin of it but it's there. Laird keeps mentioning leatherhead will return. and at the back of issue 12 he talks about issue 16. He says theres gonna be a weird area or something, which i guess is the "hampster cage" and he says the return of one of his favorite characters. So my ues is leatherhead and raph will duke it out. That would be one cool looking cover. Having mutated raph and leatherhead

[Taloniss]

So my ues is leatherhead and raph will duke it out

That would own.

[cqb101]

So my ues is leatherhead and raph will duke it out

That would own.

Holy **** would that kick ass.

[HorseTechie]

I got it yesterday...sine he's out and causing hell, I want him to go find the bastards who made him like that and gut them.


Aww.. there, there... Buslady. Raph *will* be alright in the end (or at least, not a raging ugly beast). He has to be. Laird is not one to 'maime' his leading characters permanently, like Image had.

Sides... if seems you also liked to torture Raph a bit in your fics. :P

*gallops off before she gets swatted at* Nyaaar!




Then again... Laird would have been safer messing with Don. Us Donnie fans are less 'tempermental'.

[DrSpengler]

First Mirage comic I have ever read (since #1 of Volume 1).


...the hell?

[Buslady]

I got it yesterday...sine he's out and causing hell, I want him to go find the bastards who made him like that and gut them.


Aww.. there, there... Buslady. Raph *will* be alright in the end (or at least, not a raging ugly beast). He has to be. Laird is not one to 'maime' his leading characters permanently, like Image had.

Sides... if seems you also liked to torture Raph a bit in your fics. :P

*gallops off before she gets swatted at* Nyaaar!
Then again... Laird would have been safer messing with Don. Us Donnie fans are less 'tempermental'.


yeah emotionally torture... :evilgrin:

[impetus]

First Mirage comic I have ever read (since #1 of Volume 1).


...the hell?

it's not really a series you can jump into 2 years late, there's so much going on that's "new" ;) but I think you can get synopses of the other books online.

[Stefano]

he jumped in about 20 years late if its volume 1 that he last read

[DrSpengler]

Yeah, I'm a just a little behind the times with the comic. :)

That's okay, there are synopsis online if I have any queries, plus now I figured out how to find what I'm looking for on eBay.

[impetus]

he jumped in about 20 years late if its volume 1 that he last read
lol, true, but V4 #1 was the last good "jumping on" point.

[Stefano]

true. I really dig how its one story

[lhb412]

If I were top sum up Volume four I'd think my only real complaint is some cheesy dialog, but I like the overall story, new characters, Jim Lawson's art, and the covers by Mike Doony are amazing.


And Mutated Raph vs. Leatherhead would be one of the most awesome things ever.


Hopefully Mikey's plot will lead to some battles; I can see Mike saving the princess Mario style.

[Jephael]

I finally got the issue, and it looks awesome! I really loved the scene with Michaelangelo and Regenta, especially with the little kid. It really shows his playful side.

[BigApple3AM]

It's been a while since I've liked a volume 4 issues, but this one was pretty good! The comic I'm REALLY waiting for is Tales #3, SHREDDAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry I'm all hyped after watching the classic tmnt dvd

[xZAOx]

Laird is SUCH a BASTARD! Making us wait in horrible suspense! Arggh!!

Needless to say, I very much loved the issue. Must...know..whats..going..on!

Only thing I missed from this issue was some touch on April's story.

[Jo Dawn]

*still waits patiently for the only comic store around her to finish moving so she can buy her comic*

[heretic888]

Ok, I just read issue 15. Finally.

I have to say that I am friggin' impressed. Laird's storytelling progressively gets better with each and every issue. Very nicely done.

I quite enjoy how we are seeing a five different story archs playing themselves out simulataneously ---- one for each of the turtles, and one for April (who didn't actually appear in this issue). This, in my opinion, is really showing and highlighting each of the characters on an individual basis. Sometimes the characters are "overshadowed" by others when they all interact in a group (as is only natural), but with these separate archs we can see full character portrayal and story development. Very nice.

My personal prediction is that Mike is going to have to deal with "Raptor Raph" when he gets back to the city (as the others seem tied up at the moment). Should be a pretty interesting confrontation, if it happens.

On a side note, my only comment to Laird is that he research the electoral college system in more depth. There was a historical reason for why it was established (balance of power between the large and small states), not just "tradition".

Okay --- so he may not be the most politically enlightened fella on the block, but Pete sure is a damn good writer. Keep it up.