Scam? You be the judge...

[Reznorite420]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1772659466

I think it's just a load of bull...

I can tell those are doctored pictures and stuff...

[Machias Banshee]

I'm afraid I must agree...It jsut seems 'too good to be true'... :ohwell:

[PWDESAI]

no it is true, u can make ur own vcd's now. There are programs that let you do this. All he did was take all the episodes taht aneruysm encoded, and put them on vcd format, and madea lot of nice labels and menu's. i was thinking of doing this with the eps i have, but it takes a real long time to do, and i didn't think it was worth my time. Those are actually pretty illegal, but no one cares.

[azure turtle]

I'm not willing to pay that much money for episodes that someone DLed from the internet for free. I'll wait for the official DVD versions, and if those don't come out, then I'll be fine anyway. I've already survived more than a decade with only 5 cartoon videos. ;)

[Nickokapo]

What pwdesai said, those are just the DiVX aneurysm encodes, converted to VCD and made some fancy labels and menus...i think it's a scam, you can just get them from the net, so paying for em is kinda stupid...but i guess people with slow connection will prefer to buy them.Sigh, to each his own :P
Here are some of the VCD pictures and some DiVX pictures, so that you can see they're the same:
-=VCD (Taken from transformerscds.com)=-
http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/surrealfilms/tmntvcdshoots.jpg
-=DiVX (Taken from my episodes =P )=-
http://twiki.org/p/pub/Main/RobokopSuxors/ep3sshot1.jpg http://twiki.org/p/pub/Main/RobokopSuxors/ep15sshot1.jpg
As you can see they're pretty much the same episodes...and i'm sure the vcds are ilegal, what with breaking copyright rules and making money off other people's stuff and all...but whatcha gonna do, no one truly cares :P :ohwell:
If you need more pictures to compare you can go to http://tortugasninja.5u.com/1987.html and http://tortugasninja.5u.com/1988.html there are some more pictures taken from the divx files up to episode 15.

[Machias Banshee]

Those two bottom pics of Splinter...what eps are those from? He looks so sad in the one on the left.... :(

[Nickokapo]

The first picture is from episode 3 and the second picture is from episode 15, he is sad because he wishes to be a human once again :(
http://twiki.org/p/pub/Main/RobokopSuxors/twobook.jpg
:P

[Machias Banshee]

Awww...I just wanna hug him :cry: I wish i had the first five eps...I lost the first and the fifth cuz of my Kazaa... :(

[Nickokapo]

Awww...I just wanna hug him :cry:
Yeah...poor splinter T_T;
I wish i had the first five eps...I lost the first and the fifth cuz of my Kazaa... :(
Bummer machias :( i almost lost one of my episodes once because i burned it on a cd with a bunch of miscelaneous trash and then i couldn't find it...i found it some days after that but i had to browse most of my cds which was annoying :sweatdro:
I would send you those 2 episodes but i don't know any ways of doing so besides ftp and kazaa (which i shouldn't include since it doesn't works for you and doesn't work for me very well, too) :oops:

[Machias Banshee]

Well, I'm gonna redownload Kazaa...*the evil one, yeah... :roll: * and Maybe we can do something...


Hey, do you know anyting about the newest version of Kazaa?

[Nickokapo]

Allrighty...as long as my firewall doesn't block anything and there isn't a kazaa version mismatch problem it should work fine :ohwell:
edit: i don't know anything about the new kazaa version...it's called "kazaa v2" but i'm still using kazaa lite.

[Machias Banshee]

Well, I'm DLing right now, Lets just hoope it doesnt have those evil files nad programs that the first one had...that's why there's a kazaa lite out, i heard...

[Nickokapo]

Kazaa v2 is provided free thanks to advertising software included in the installation.
Yeah kazaa lite was made because the creators wanted a kazaa version with none of these programs...i don't know if there's a kazaa lite v2 tho.

[Machias Banshee]

Grr...It STILL doesnt want to work!!! *attacks kazaa with giant rubber mallet*

[Nickokapo]

:-? Maybe your pc has a firewall that blocks the ports that kazaa uses? *runs away from dangerous-machias-with-dangerous-mallet*

[heintzvelvet]

What a jerk!!! How could he do that and have a clear concience? besides he only has 190 eps, when really theres 194! well 193 because theres no episode 76 due to numbering changes!

The sad thing is that someone bid on it!!


Poor unfortunate soul!

[heintzvelvet]

what does he mean by Dual VCD Menus?? and how could I do it?

[Nickokapo]

Yeah someone bidded already :blanksta: is it me or 195 bucks for a homemade dvd set is too much? :ohwell: I'm pretty much against this kind of stuff...he shouldn't be selling what HE GOT FOR FREE :sweatdro: i would just wait for an official release of the tmnt dvds...not only will the quality will be much better (audio and video wise), but the creators will get the money they deserve...then again, the possibility of official tmnt cartoon dvds never seing the light of day or the people who can't download episodes for free because of whatever reason somehow justifies it a little bit...but 195 bucks is a rip off anyways, they're obviously selling it for profit. :sweatdro: And if the poor soul that bought that vcd set then sees an official dvd set he'll be the idiot with a lower quality copy of the set he *SPENT ALMOST 2 HUNDRED BUCKS ON*
Well...now i think there is more reason why i should join PWDESAI and make a tmnt distro, be it on imesh, kazaa, imazaa, kimesh or whatever...if the episodes somehow are more available, there will be at least a little less need of buying something that was meant to be free (i'm not talking about the cartoon itself, i still think it should get an official dvd release, i'm talking about aneurysm's divx encodes)
Plus they still are missing 3 episodes, nyah nyah nyah =P
And i don't know anything about Dual VCD Menus...in fact, i...don't...know...anything...about...VCDS :P well i know some stuff but i mean i've never made one because there was no need to...
I think what he meant by "Dual VCD Menus" was that you can choose between 2 different menus (one for the cartoon and one for the toys, according to the site) but as you might have guessed already, i have no idea how to make them.
You can go to www.vcdhelp.com...i haven't checked myself but you will probably find how to make dual vcds there, that's one of the best vcd sites ever!
And now if you will excuse me, i'll think of ways of distroing the episodes (starting by making an FTP topic)
I'm already sharing in kazaa (ahhh...once again.It will be pointless i know but it's worth the try) and i'll wait for the direct connect hub to be up again (if darthraphael wants to put it up again, that is...i dunno what happened to that)
Imesh crashes and i can't send by IRC (even tho there are fileservers in IRC and PWDESAI is sharing in imesh so thanks to both by helping out :thumbsup:)
Eh, i should have made my post shorter. :embarass:

[Skeletoncrew]

I don't think that bidder is going to be getting the set. I just went to report the item to eBay and its already been reported. They're investigating right now. I think its such BS that this person is trying to sell it.

[Nickokapo]

I don't think that bidder is going to be getting the set. I just went to report the item to eBay and its already been reported. They're investigating right now. I think its such BS that this person is trying to sell it.
Thanks a lot!!
I thought about reporting to ebay, but i didn't have an ebay account plus i thought ebay wouldn't listen.
:thumbsup: :D

[Karpo_007]

Well rhe price is too high... then again, it must take a lot of time to do them. And cd's aren't free either. But i think it should be atleast half cheaper..

[Nickokapo]

If they were selling it and only charging for the price of CD-Rs plus shipping i woldn't be so angry but at that price they're obviously bootlegging.
And they will probably get away with it:
http://www.geocities.com/ebayoyvey/ebaymorality.gif
In that pic, in the part of duplicated items' policies they said vcds of tv shows/movies/ "should not" be listed on ebay unless the seller owns the right of it...yet ebay is full of bootleg vcds...
edit: Hmmmm i found something interesting about ebay ignoring bootlegs at http://www.geocities.com/ebayoyvey/ and i thought i'd post it here:
EBAY IGNORES BOOTLEG PROTESTS

If you report a bootlegger, what happens? Usually nothing. That's because...EBAY LOVES BOOTLEGGERS. They'd rather get a commission on stolen merchandise than do the right thing.

We told 'em about this crud-ball who constantly posts huge lists of bootlegs. ( http://www.geocities.com/ebayoyvey/obviousboot.gif )
Now even a slum neighborhood pawnshop has more scruples than this. But eBay, they just shrug. It would take a personal letter from one of the stars before they'd take action. And only if ALL the stars being bootlegged complained, would the dealer even be suspended. Does this sound like a legitimate auction website looking out for fraud? How can eBay explain the way it allows OBVIOUS bootlegging like this?

Here's another dirt-bag who has many negatives and neutrals because he sells crappy inferior quality BOOTLEGS. ( http://www.geocities.com/ebayoyvey/bootlegcomplaints.gif )
Several times we e-mailed eBay about this guy. We wanted to make sure that several different eBay employees got the message. Well, not ONE of them thought that this dealer deserved to be NARU'd for being an OBVIOUS BOOTLEGGER. Call it stupidity, call it complicity. But don't call it an HONEST mistake.
So there you have it, most of the time ebay doesn't care about email complaining about bootleggers, after all that's another way for ebay to get money.

[Karpo_007]

Damn you Ebay!
Homer Simpson

[Nickokapo]

lol :P

[Mikael]

Total ripoff, I would say... :evil:
Piracy in its ugliest form. An incomplete series with handpicked
episodes. I´ve seen the complete series on VHS and CD-Rs on
ebay, but at least they go for reasonable prices and are not pretending
to be official.

And the seller seems to have a bucketful of other series as well.
Somebody is going to make some profit...

[Reznorite420]

no it is true, u can make ur own vcd's now.That wasn't my point. I already knew that. What I'M talking about is the pictures themselves. Look at them closely; they don't look like CDs at all. Somebody did some major Photoshop work on those things.

[Reznorite420]

i don't know if there's a kazaa lite v2 tho.There is. I have it.

[speedracer]

192 episodes on 64 VCDs?

So that's 3 episodes per CD.

A CD holds something like 700 MB of data, so each episode is about 233 MB.

The DivX episodes on IRC, clearly the source for these VCDs, each run about 50 MB.

So those VCDs are probably blown up to 2x the width and height of the IRC episodes.

At that resolution, the episodes that guy is selling are going to look like complete crap.

[Nickokapo]

Yeah, i don't know much about converting from avi to mpg but i guess there is quality loss...
Yay, there's a kazaa lite v2! :D *goes in search of the proggie*

[Reznorite420]

Well, the whole process of converting avi files to VCD format involves turning the video into MPEG 1 layer format. Thus the files are bloated quite a bit.

Think of this analogy:

AVI -> MPEG:video :: MP3->WAV:audio

In other words, going from AVI to MPEG layer 1 bloats the file size a great deal just as decoding an MP3 back into a wave file bloats the file to 10 times its original size (more or less). It all has to do with compression and encoding.

From what I hear, the MP4 videos make AVIs look too big in file size. Let's hope they become a standard pretty soon :thyper: :thyper: :thyper:

[Nickokapo]

Ohhh you were talking about that size...yeah that's one of the reasons why i dislike mpeg...a 320x240 20 minutes video is usually 200 mb or more :ohwell: Quality is good, but not that good...not really worth it :sweatdro:
If they were going to make vcds at least they could've done their own encodes so they would get a bit more quality for the size their using, but noooo, they gotta use the ones they downloaded.
I hope mp4 becomes the standard too!Well, digifansubbing groups are releasing their fansubs as divx files so i guess that helps a lot...same with dvd ripping movie groups, but both groups sometime use VCD to encode their stuff so it's not really the standard format yet...you can watch a vcd in a dvd player unlike a divx, i guess that's one of the reason there are still a lot of vcd releases.

[Jephael]

If/When Mirage ever decides to release the old series, I bet they could easily put up to 6 episodes on a DVD. Infact, I actually figure the first two seasons could be placed within 6 disks.

[Karpo_007]

Well I dont think Mirage has any control over the release of the Original cartoon... MIrage just sold the rights to make a cartoon to Murakami Wolf(or something like that).

[azure turtle]

Yeah, Murakmi Wolf (etc.) originally owned the rights to the cartoon. I think MikeyQM mentioned that Artisan bought those rights and is now in charge of the cartoon...

[Karpo_007]

I think that more logical think to do would be air them again, not to make DVD's. I think it would be less risky etc.

[azure turtle]

Yeah... I wish someone would start airing the old toon. I think CN should start a late night block for older cartoons. I wonder if GI Joe is still playing at one in the morning...

[Karpo_007]

That would be the best wau to release it again.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I would definitely go along with some network just airing the cartoon again. Just as long as it's not some network that will edit the episodes to make way for more commercial time.

*cough* Like the USA network! *cough*

Sorry, guys, I must have a frog in my throat. Just airing the episodes again would be a lot cheaper for everyone. Of course, with the DVD format, the quality would be better.

This wouldn't be a problem if some network smartened up and started airing the show again! :evil:

"You're going to rule the world . . . with a truckload of poison?" - Leatherhead, from "Leatherhead Meets the Rat King"

[Karpo_007]

It would b nice if they air it again, but if the kids start to like the darker turtles they wouldnt like to watch the old one. Of course it would be great for the older fans.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

It would b nice if they air it again, but if the kids start to like the darker turtles they wouldnt like to watch the old one. Of course it would be great for the older fans.

Yes, that could happen. Kids today may not appreciate the fluff of yesteryear, and that worries me. Even though I am not a big fan of the darker Turtles, I am trying to make an effort to at least respect them. Perhaps both series should be aired at the same time. It would be great for the old fans, and great for the new fans.

Every one would be happy! I know I would be, anyway. :P

"They'll need their rest. Because tomorrow we're going to find the Shredder . . . and finish him!" - Leonardo, from "Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension X"

[Karpo_007]

Well that would be good, but very unlikely to happen...

[Reznorite420]

Would Cartoon Network be a bad choice to air it on?

[azure turtle]

I think CN would be the perfect place to air the old TMNT cartoon. The TMNT would fit nicely sometime before the Toonami block. Hmm... I remember when Thundercats used to be on Toonami.

[Jephael]

If anything, I think it could be in the Toonami block, like maybe right after Dragonball Z! :tcool:

[Nickokapo]

If tmnt would air again i wish it would be in CN!
That way there's more chance of it airing in cn of latinamerica, plus a lot of people said it'd fit in the toonami block...

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yes, I think the Cartoon Network would be a good place for the original cartoon to start up again. Just as long as the CN doesn't pull a USA on us and edit the heck out of the show.

What stupid executive thought Bounty commercials and toothpaste ads were more important than the cartoon? I didn't appreciate that, pal! :evil:

"Shut up!" - Krang, from "Planet of the Turtles"

[Reznorite420]

Tell me about it; I remember "Sky Turtles" being aired on USA in the morning one day, and they edited out the whole first part with the ladies in the dress shop! It went straight from Rocksteady, Bebop and company leaving leaving the Technodrome via Transport Module to the part where they surface in the shop. Now tell me this; for those of you that know the series, did you notice the lack of commercial gap between that part where they left and where the dress shop scene begins? I sure did! There was supposed to be a commercial break after you saw the module digging through the dirt.

Now that I think of it, I used to think the reason they left that part out was because that scene was a little sexist ("I have to go home and cook dinner for my husband!")...

[Nickokapo]

Hmmm good point NTCF...cartoon network butchered dragonball z, sailor moon, and probably a lot more shows, sometimes re-doing scripts, leaving whole episodes out or cuting 2 episodes and make it one...argh...however tmnt is no anime (not seasons 2-10 anyways) so they probably would cut very little or nothing of it...then again, they could cut it so that they can air more commercials, that would suck :ohwell:
But i can't think of any other channel that would air tmnt, besides fox kids (or fox family like it's called in the usa i think...well it aired next mutation and is going to air the new series so why not air the old one too...oh wait a minute...isn't fox family the channel that cutted a lot of parts in the megaman cartoon so that they could air more commercials?argh...)

[PWDESAI]

i'll make my own tv channel and host 80's cartoons/sitcoms non stop! lol
btw it's no longer fox family now it's abc family :roll:

[Nickokapo]

HO YAH! (ho ho ho merry christmas :P and that was actually a typo i wanted to say "oh" but since i think it's pretty funny and remember me of thundercats and christmas i'll leave it ;) )
There's a channel for 80s cartoons called...well...#80s-cartoons =P
You could make a chan named 80s-sitcoms!or 80s-toonsNsitcoms
or 80s-pwdesai lol

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I don't know if any of the FOX stations would cut the show or not. They didn't cut parts of the show out when it aired on FOX originally.

Of course, that was back in the day when the Turtles were on top of the world. Network executives wouldn't ever consider cutting something with as big a stroke as the Turtles.

Nowadays, they could probably care less.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm a little bitter over the fact that USA felt commercials were more important than their programs. I wonder if they did that with all their shows? If not, what a kick in the shell that is.

We got ripped off!

"That dude's driving Shea Stadium under the city!" - Michaelangelo, from "Enter the Shredder"

[Nickokapo]

Yes i have readed they did it with all of their shows...jem, duckman, tmnt...
y'know, i'm pretty sure deathknight said something about fox family cutting up the megaman episodes :ohwell:

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Well, that sort of makes me feel better. The fact that USA liked to take a huge ax to all their programs shows that they didn't have anything against the Turtles.

But it still bugs me. :evil:

I need a pizza. I think I'll give Mikey a call and see what he recommends. :)

". . . strawberry surprise pizza, with anchovy sauce!" - Michaelangelo, from "Splinter Vanishes"

[Nickokapo]

Yeah i know...the turtles don't deserve such treatment! :P
I mean...getting cut first in the uk and then in fox family :goofygri: but yeah fox had nothing against the turtles...they were just greedy so they cut most of their shows :wink:

[PWDESAI]

ahem u mean abc family jeez get with the program :lol:

[Nickokapo]

No i meant fox family damn it :sweatdro: now it might be called abc family but since back then when the tmnt cuts were made it was called fox family and i i wanna call it that, get it?!!! :P

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

See what cutting programs does to people? It makes people really grouchy.

Good rule of thumb, all you network executives. Quit slicing and dicing our programs!

"Radical!" - Michaelangelo, from "Return of the Shredder"

[Nickokapo]

I'M NOT GROUCHY GRRRRR ILL GO KICK TRASH CANS!! lol ;) (Note to readerzzz: i'm not really angry :P )
And i agree, programs shouldn't be cut :sweatdro: it's annoying to try and find a copy of a program when all there is available is some cut up one...plus it's also annoying to have to watch butchered programs in tv :ohwell:

[PWDESAI]

yeah you know how sometimes funny things happen around hte commercial time on fox? they've actually cut scenes taht are hilarous just to put more commercials in :evil:
anyways yeah i'm not angry either, nicko last night wsa so funny! my chan rocks... lol :goofygri:

[Jephael]

That brings to mind what Fox has done to The Simpsons! Did you know they took out scenes in those eps too?
Like in the ep where they go on vacation and Lisa wants to find some friends. At the beginning of Act 2 there was a conversation where Marge mentions that the place they're going to is known as America's Scrod Basket.
BART: "I thought Springfield was America's Scrod Basket."
MARGE: "No, Springfield is America's Crud Bucket."
One of the best scenes ever placed into the show, and Fox cut it out. It pisses me off, because I used to have the full version of that ep! :tmad: I'm anxious to get a DVD player so I can watch the eps as they were originally.

[wheeljack]

sorry my post was about the simpsons too, i don't know what i was thinking when i said it, i edited it though.

[wheeljack]

agh now i'm signed up as wheeljack?

[Jephael]

Who were you originally?

[wheeljack]

pwdesai i'm having a lot of techincal difficulties over here lol :goofygri:

[Kingkapong]

since i'm late coming into this thread, i'll give my two cent on the topic (the vcd thing). i think i should punch that person who did that in the face. first off, i dislike pirated materials, especially warez stuff because it's not crediting the creators of the softwares (or technically in this thread's case, the producers and writers). i know of a person who "hacks" and does all these illegal stuff getting all these illegal programs (for free) and sells them at a price (hacking as in using university's internet connection as a server serving his illegal programs). people who cheat on society deserves to be burned like witches on broom.

[Reznorite420]

For the last time, has anybody noticed those pictures? Those are clearly NOT pictures of actual CDs. Just look: I don't see how anybody can make a darkened picture and slap it on an actual CD. You can tell it's been Photoshopped to death.