Original Tmnt cartoon. Did it get Boring in your opinnion?

[Karpo_007]

There hasn't been a new post on this forum for 10 hours so i needed to make a new thread.

Ok On to the topic. The First season is the best of course. Second season is pretty good too with baxter changeing in to a fly and "The eye of Zarnoth" thing +of corse return of the technodrome.

But then it began. The third season had some good episodes but it also had many boring ones. The show started really repeat itself(happens to most series). It had few gems like the casey jones and usagi eps but rest of them were pretty much avarage or below. The final three episodes nevertheless were probably the best after the first season. All together the third season was a 50/50.

Then came the fourth. Mad scientists. Really in almost every ep. Around this time i was thinking that the show was getting boring. Only a few eps are above the avarage here.

Right now im watching the fifth season. So far so good. Reminds me of Third season. Cant commen on rest of the season yet.

Give me your opinnions.

[Nturtle]

:lol: I know what its like hanging around an empty forum karpo :P

Yeah that was around when it started to get boaring, I don't think the writers were trying hard enough!! they had a lot of possibilities left that they never used!! And yes the mad scientists got boring preety fast. I liked 1988, it had lots of good fights, the one on one fights in 87 wern't that good like the showdown with Shredder and Splinter :ohwell: 89 had quite a few good eps!! like Cowabunga Shredhead!!! :lol: but not to many good fights :ohwell:

[Karpo_007]

Yeah. Altough i didnt notice any of these effects as a kid...

[Deathknight]

What really made the show kind of depressing for me is not so much involvment with Shredder.... plus in the later seasons sometimes it was practically all gadgets that the tmnt used to fight Shredder or other mad scientists... Season 2 was my fav though, especially the finaly with Return of the Technodrome... Although one of the worst tmnt eps was in season 2.... New York's Shiniest, that ep was so boring. No encounters with Shredder just involvment with the robo officers that Shredder duplicated or scenes involving Rex-1.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah. They never should have replaced shredder with those scientists...

[Nturtle]

yeah the 1990 ones ar like that because they would have 1 shredder ep and then a ep with a random bad guy, often a mad scientist :dead:

[Reznorite420]

"That's WeaZEL!!!!!"

[Nturtle]

:tconfuse:

[Nickokapo]

The cartoon did got boring imo, in the latest seasons -_- i just hate dregg..but overall it was a great toon and fun to watch :D

[Machias Banshee]

I second that emotion! :D

[Nturtle]

:lol:

[Nickokapo]

:anime:

[Nturtle]

YAY!!! laughing emotions!!!! :P Your banner is on the taojam site Nicko!!!

[prowler4]

I never thought it got boring. I just stopped watching it for some reason when I was little.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

*Emerges from the thick fog, dusting himself off*

Finally, I am able to visit the forums again! Homework and classes this past week just completely took over. You know, college would be great if you didn't have to go to class . . . :P

As far as the cartoon getting boring, I never thought the show got boring. I actually commend the writers for coming up with as many ideas as they did. I mean, come on -- how many episodes do you think the writers could have come up with that just dealt with Shredder and Company? You would have to expand your avenues just to keep the show fresh.

The first episode in the history of the series to not feature Shredder and Company in any capacity whatsoever was the 27th episode, "Enter the Rat King." You could call it a landmark of sorts since subsequent episodes without Shredder and Company followed.

Personally, I liked the writers mixing it up a bit. If it was just the Turtles battling Shredder all the time, it would get kind of boring. But when you throw many other villains into the pot, suddenly new doors are opened for more story ideas. Personally, I loved all the wonderful characters the writers came up with. I liked the fact that there were so many mad scientists trying to take over the world. It allowed Shredder and Company to take a breather, to kick back, to bake their cake and eat it too.

Not that the series didn't start to slip in later seasons. I first noticed this in 1993, in which just about every episode dealt with aliens from outer space trying to do something to Earth. David Wise wrote most of these episodes, but I think even he was scratching the bottom of the barrel for ideas. Not that he didn't write some truly wonderful episodes; but I think even the gas in his tank was running a little low during this time.

And, of course, anyone who's seen the show and followed it knows what happened in the end. In an effort to rejuvenate the series, the writers canned Shredder and Company completely and brought in new bad guys. Unfortunately, the fans just never really digged the Dregg character. The show fell victim to what so many shows fall victim to; it stayed on the air for longer than it should have, which resulted in a less-than-stellar ending for the series.

It should have ended with Shredder and Company battling the Turtles, not Dregg and Company battling the Turtles.

But I love the series. I will never tire of it. I even watch the Dregg episodes, although not as frequently. I love all the colorful characters that were introduced. I love the Shredder-Krang banter. I love how the writers weren't afraid to take chances.

In my opinion, the show never got boring. It just ran out of steam in the end. But it was on the air longer than most cartoons, which is quite an achievement. :nod:

"My brother broke his arm in two places. If I was him, I'd stay out of those places!" - a comic, from "Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead"

[Nickokapo]

YAY!!! laughing emotions!!!! :P Your banner is on the taojam site Nicko!!!
yay!that's so cool :rolling:
I think i never stopped watching tmnt, it was the other way around, when i wanted to watch it, it wasn't on tv anymore :ohwell:

[Karpo_007]

Well i didnt think that as a kid either, Now when im watching the series again i must say that there are alot of boring episodes...

[Nturtle]

Whoa!!! :o You have a thing for REALLY long posts NTCF!!!! :P I remember the exact second I stopped watching TMNT actually... it was the Episode "Revenge of the Fly" it was in 1993, when Baxter starts turning firemen into termites. I remember sitting in front of that tv in those fateful seconds ehn I realized how stupid the show was becoming and I then made that decision that until 2 years ago was not broken and I sealed off TMNT and pressed the off button.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Everyone has different tastes. Some people like the light-hearted Turtles, people like me. Some people like the edgier Turtles, people like Karpo. To each his own.

Obviously, the show won't suit everyone's tastes. That's part of what's fun about being a fan of something as high profile as the Ninja Turtles. Some wonderful discussions can be started out of those different preferences.

"Wish I'd brought about 50,000 pancakes!" - Michaelangelo, from "Big Bug Blunder"

[Karpo_007]

Well i like the cartoon. There are some really good episodes. If they had made it like the first season, it would have been much better..

[Nturtle]

we have had plenty!! and the conclusion is that the turtles will hopefully have better fight scences and be edgier but keep some of that good old goofiness!!!!! :D

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yeah, I do kind of have a habit of writing exceptionally long posts. :lol: What can I say? I'm an English major who wants to be a children's author. I've been writing my whole life. :nod:

Writing is what I do best! One of these days, I'm going to take a crack at my own Ninja Turtles story. 8)

"What the devil?" - Shredder, from "Turtle Tracks"

[Nturtle]

Really? cool!!!!! that makes sence now!! children's books!! awesome!! those are the best types!!! :D Yeah a fanfic would be cool, you seem to have a good knack fro writing for sure dude!!

[azure turtle]

Yep... We could always use another fanfic writer!! :anime:

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I don't know when I will start writing a Ninja Turtles story, but you can bet that it will have, at its heart, the light touch and goofiness that I adore from the series.

I would never write a story that's got real butt-kicking in it. That's not how I like the Turtles.

"Yes! I made it to the 13th level! I'm winning!" - Leonardo, from "Leonardo vs. Tempestra"

[Nturtle]

yeah, I like the action too so I'm a half and halfer...

[Nickokapo]

yay, someone will write a toon-like fanfic for a change :D
Well i think that's a great idea :thumbsup:

[Nturtle]

I can't say I've read many fan fics... just 1 or 2 actually :embarass: but I will one day!!!!

[Nickokapo]

I've only readed like 2 fanfics, and only liked 1 :ohwell:

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

When I meant butt-kicking, I meant actual physical violence. There would probably be a fight in my story (the Turtles always battle the bad guys in their episodes), but I'm not talking about someone getting seriously hurt.

You want bloody violence? Read somebody else's fan-fiction. Because mine won't have that in it.

"Shredder, who is this woman?"
"Um . . . my . . . mother."

Krang and Shredder, from "Shredder's Mom"

[Nturtle]

yeah a lot seem too serious, I think something like that would be very refreshing!! :D

[azure turtle]

I've read a good amount of fanfics... There are a lot of amazing stories out there. Most of them are based on the movies or comic books, however. Some of them are a mixture of all the universes, but I can't remember if I've ever read a fic based solely in the cartoon universe.

[Deathknight]

mmm a fanfic... I would suck at that.

"So this is where you live sonny." "How do you like it?" "What a dump!" -Shredder's Mom

[Nturtle]

really? I ever thought about TMNT too seriously :P

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

If no one has based a story on the Ninja Turtles cartoon, then I'd be just the person to try and do it! :nod:

"It's awfully quiet."
"Yeah, too quiet."

Donatello and Leonardo, from "The Grybyx"

[Nickokapo]

Yeah one of the reasons why i never read fanfics is the violence...one of the fics i readed was about a zombie-raphael...and the turtles found splinter in a truck with his face hurt and then raphael killed everyone...WTF????? :sweatdro: :sweatdro: :sweatdro: :sweatdro:
Now im not saying violence is bad, it'd be boring if there were no fights, but there's no need to go over the line :roll:

[azure turtle]

Heh... I'd love to read it, NTCF!! I miss watching the cartoon, and a fanfic based on that might help fill in that void. ;)

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yes, I agree. Too much violence - especially in the Turtles' world - is not a good thing.

"I detest violence!" - MACC, from "Attack of Big MACC"

[Nturtle]

that story sounds really bad Azure :dead: but I'm sure an all cartoon story would rule!!!! Kind of like that popcorn thread :P

[azure turtle]

Yeah one of the reasons why i never read fanfics is the violence...one of the fics i readed was about a zombie-raphael...and the turtles found splinter in a truck with his face hurt and then raphael killed everyone...WTF?????
I read that one. It was written by Mica, I believe. Yep, it was one helluva shocker, that's for sure. But I like having a variety of fanfics to choose from. Horror, comedy, parody, drama, angst, action, adventure, violence... There are so many different TMNT fanfics, it boggles the mind! :teek:

[Nturtle]

OY!!! and people think TMNT is dead!!! :roll:

[Nickokapo]

Yeah it was the one mica wrote, dementia...argh poor splints :dead:
Oh well at least there's different enough fanfics for everyone...i think im gonna read comedy fics from now on :roll:

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

No offense to Mica, but her story is not one that I would read. When I think of Raphael, I think of a Turtle with great one-liners and a snappy personality.

I don't think of him as some pyscho killing-machine. I guess you could call me one of those people who likes to bring a smile to peoples' faces. I suppose I could do that by writing a kick-ass story (literally), but that's not me.

"What?! The Turtles and Splinter gone?" - Rat King, from "Splinter Vanishes"

[azure turtle]

Nope, the TMNT are far from dead. :D There are more and more fanfics showing up as the days go on. But yeah, they come in all varieties, so you'll probably find a fic you like if you look around the net. Fanfiction.net is a good place to start. I think they have around 400 TMNT stories in their database. :teek:

[Nturtle]

Yeah I found that out 2 years ago!! same here NTCF!! I live to make people smile!!! :D

[azure turtle]

No offense to Mica, but her story is not one that I would read. When I think of Raphael, I think of a Turtle with great one-liners and a snappy personality.

I don't think of him as some pyscho killing-machine. I guess you could call me one of those people who likes to bring a smile to peoples' faces. I suppose I could do that by writing a kick-ass story (literally), but that's not me.

"What?! The Turtles and Splinter gone?" - Rat King, from "Splinter Vanishes"
We've all got our likes and dislikes, and I'm sure many of the fanfic writers respect that. ;)

One of the reasons why I love fanfics so much is because of how complex the TMNT are. They've got so many different universes (Image, Mirage, Cartoon, Archies, TNM, COOTS, Movies, etc ) that it's fun to see how other people interpret them.

[Nickokapo]

Hmm to me there are two raphs, the sarcastic toon raph and the stubborn comic/movie raph...and i don't see both of em as killing machines :sweatdro:
Oh yah fanfic.net!I found your fic of the turtles as kids there, and another funny fic about movie bloopers...hmmmm that'd be 3 fics that i readed, not 2...gah, whatever :P i should search that site a bit more, i'm sure there'll be something i like :D

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Holy smokes! :o There are 400 stories of the Turtles roaming the Internet? Anyone who says the Turtles are dead has obviously flipped his shell!

"Looks like it's back to the old pet shop for us!" - Raphael, from "Shredder and Splintered"

[Nturtle]

I like the 1st movie the best probebly its a great mix of universes!!!

[Nickokapo]

The turtles are deffinitely not dead, there's a big enough fan base...and if the new toon succeeds there will prolly be more and more fans.

[Nturtle]

yup!! ita whole new ball game!!

I've gotta sleep, sorry, g'night!!!!

[Nickokapo]

Nite Nturtle! :D

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Sleep tight! Don't let the bed bugs bite! :sleep:

"A king without any subjects to rule . . ."
". . . is like a Turtle without a pizza!"

Leonardo and Michaelangelo, from "Splinter Vanishes"

[Nickokapo]

Yes don't let the mousers bite! :P

[azure turtle]

Oh ya! I remember when you mentioned that you read my fanfic, Nicko! I'm quite honored that you chose to read it. :goofygri: Yeah... 400 fanfics, and that's on FF.net alone. That number doesn't include all of the fanfics that are being hosted on personal websites.

As for the old cartoon... I never grew tired of it. Even some of the more boring episodes had some charm in them. Then again, I'm such a hardcore fan that I'd watch anything TMNT without too many complaints. :anime:

[Karpo_007]

Yes, I agree. Too much violence - especially in the Turtles' world - is not a good thing.

"I detest violence!" - MACC, from "Attack of Big MACC"

Well maybe not tooo much, but violenco has been n the TMNT from the start. Ae you refering to the cartoon or TMNT in general?

[Raph]

Im also a big fan of the cartoon, but I'm glad I found a way to get the original comics from America!...And I must say that I like them as much as I liked the cartoon back then, cause now that Im older I start with the comics

And thats great cause I can stay a fan. People always say to me :o What are you still a Ninja Turtle fan, and I go yeah did you know the original comics are for more mature audience, and then I show them a comic, and they go...Hey thats really neat

So I like both comic and cartoons

[Nturtle]

I'm surea al ot of old former fans would love the comic book as well as the new tv show!!! :D

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Yes, I agree. Too much violence - especially in the Turtles' world - is not a good thing.

"I detest violence!" - MACC, from "Attack of Big MACC"

Well maybe not tooo much, but violenco has been n the TMNT from the start. Ae you refering to the cartoon or TMNT in general?

When it comes to the cartoon, I don't like to see a lot of violence. This was never a problem in the cartoon since there was never any blood or anybody getting seriously hurt. I think that Parents Watchdog Group had a lot to do with that.

When it comes to the rest of the Ninja Turtles universe - movies, comics, role-playing games - I don't mind. I don't watch the movies that much, I don't read the comics ever, and I like playing the Nintendo games so it's all fine with me.

So as far as the cartoon goes, I wouldn't like to see Leonardo take his sword and slice some mugger's hand off. That's not why I watch the cartoon. I watch it because 1) it's kid friendly, and 2) because it still makes me laugh after all these years.

"My job is . . . my job is . . . my job is . . . to serve and protect you!" - Rex 1, from "New York's Shiniest"

[Kali]

*glances over the thread* Well, we've had a slight change in topic, but still an interesting read.

As for my opinion, there's only so many ideas people can work into a show, so things are bound to get stale or boring after a long amount of time.

And for how I see the Turtles, I love every universe, they all have things about them I love. The cartoon is fun, Mirage is more serious, the movies have a nice mixture of both... I like that the Turtles have so many "faces", it means there's more to write about.

400 fan fics, yeah, there's more than that now. I myself have more than 30 to my name, ranging from a G rated cartoon based fic (complete with corny stoyline and dialog) to an R-rated erotic thriller (*ducks away from the threats to finish it*). Short and long stories, comedy, action, drama, horror, that's what I really love about TMNT, that they work well in many different genres. If you like comedy and good fun, they've got that, if you like violence and drama, they've got that too!

[Ratking]

"never" thats my answer to this topic. I liked all the TMNT eps, thinking every one of them was a gem. Sure some i liked better than others, yet not one of them i ever thought was "boring" or "oh i hate this one"

[Karpo_007]

Yeah thats true! But fot me the original will always be best. Be it Terminator or TMNT.

[Ratking]

true, im also the same, as they seemed more serious and i liked when rocksteady had his helmet

[Karpo_007]

Actually i was refering to kalis post... Yor post just got in the midle... I ment that I like how the TMNT originally were the best.

[Ratking]

:cry:

[Kali]

*pats Ratking* I agree with you. There isn't a cartoon episode, or any other part of the TMNTverse, that I didn't like. It's all good. :D

[Nturtle]

except maybe image.... :dead:

[Kali]

As I said, I love all TMNT universes. Even Image, they were the first TMNT comics I ever got. And I understand that not everybody likes every aspect of TMNT, and that's what makes the fandom so great. I can't think of any other group that's so diverse.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

*glances over the thread* Well, we've had a slight change in topic, but still an interesting read.

I myself have more than 30 to my name, ranging from a G rated cartoon based fic (complete with corny stoyline and dialog) to an R-rated erotic thriller (*ducks away from the threats to finish it*).

:lol: Yes, we did kind of get off-topic there for a while. But it was also a nice tie-in to the original thread. We've come full circle.

Don't worry, Kali! I'm not going to throw my Ninja Turtles pillow at you because you write R-rated erotic thrillers. :wink: I think people should be able to express themselves in any way they wish.

How does the saying go? If you don't like something, don't bother yourself with it? :-? It's something along those lines. Anyway, I don't condemn people who like the kick-ass Ninja Turtles or those who write that type of fan-fiction. I've never bad-mouthed it (or at least I hope I never have!). But I just don't like the Turtles that way. So I steer clear of all that.

"We are quite the dapper dudes, aren't we?" - Michaelangelo, from "The Big Cufflink Caper"

[azure turtle]

Yes, this thread did manage to go in a few circles, didn't it? :lol:

As I said, I love all TMNT universes. Even Image, they were the first TMNT comics I ever got. And I understand that not everybody likes every aspect of TMNT, and that's what makes the fandom so great. I can't think of any other group that's so diverse.

I agree with ya, Kali! That's one of the reasons why I like the TMNT so much. Not only are they complex characters, but even the different "worlds" they exist in are complex. There's something for everyone in the TMNT universe.

[Karpo_007]

True For kids there is cartoon
For older people there are Miarge and alternately Image
And there are movies for both.

TMNT truly has something for everyone!

[prowler4]

Very true! Everything from action to, for old guys, ogaling April! :D

[Nturtle]

:sweatdro: ....

[prowler4]

:sweatdro: What's that for? I mean like 90 year old guys!

[Kali]

Sure ya did! :evilgrin:

(Just joking around.)

[Nturtle]

ok nevermind, I really like that sweatdrop icon!! :P Now I must attend to my very importen Voice recording work!! :goof: