Could TMNT beat any other Super Hero Team?

[Master_Hanky]

I like the Turtles alot but i don't think they could stand a chance agaisnt people like the X-man just beacuse the X-Man have super human powers. now if they only used weapons and stuff like that the Turtles would at least have a better chance . well at least i think so

[KROW]

The boys would sweep the floor with the Fantastic Four. And with Splinter and Casey with them, they would give the Avengers AND the X-Men a good workout.

Of course against the JLA they would lose, thanks to that friggin' Superman.

[cqb101]

First off, it's X-Men. Not X-Man. X-man is a whole different character. Secondly, they'd probably get their asses kicked by about any other superhero team. They'd put up a good fight against the FF, but they'd probably still lose. They also might have a chance against the X-Men depending who's on the team.

[THE-X-FLO]

Well, the Ninja Turtles kinda remind me Buffy the Vampire Slayer, because they can be very strong but are sometimes beaten really bad by weak creatures...
nb: this often happens at the beginning of an episode

[KROW]

Have you all lost faith in your turtles?

Come on! With Donatello's brains, the FF would lose! Donnie would "F" up Mr. Fantastic's lab or something, or create a gadget that dampens their powers! Leo's ninja concentration would help in getting rid of the Invisible Woman. Raph can match Thing's blundering punching with quick yet heavy hits. Mikey can overpower Human Torch's flamboyance easily.

Now, if Splinter and Casey joined them, the X-Men and the Avengers still might win. But, they would be under a lot of pressure.

Don't underestimate Turtle Power.

[cqb101]

Have you all lost faith in your turtles?

Come on! With Donatello's brains, the FF would lose! Donnie would "F" up Mr. Fantastic's lab or something, or create a gadget that dampens their powers! Leo's ninja concentration would help in getting rid of the Invisible Woman. Raph can match Thing's blundering punching with quick yet heavy hits. Mikey can overpower Human Torch's flamboyance easily.

Now, if Splinter and Casey joined them, the X-Men and the Avengers still might win. But, they would be under a lot of pressure.

Don't underestimate Turtle Power.

*Shakes head* Ok, Reed Richards, and Sue are both a helluva lot smarter than Don, so if DOn tried to **** up their lab, they'd fix it or stop him before he could. And if Raph tried to punch the Thing he'd probably break his hand. He is made of Rock y'know. Leo would just use the same techniques he used against the foot techs to take out Sue, but Johnny is still a problem. If he's flying around in the air, on fire, how are they gonna take him out. And then IF they get through the four, they'd have to deal with Franklin Richards.....One of the most powerful mutants EVER. They wouldn't stand a chance. They wouldn't stand a chance against the X-Men either. Wolverine would be able to take them all on. Even if the TMNT had Casey and Splinter.

[Orochi Chimera]

Their only hope with many of the super heroes would be to find their weak point and exploit it. They have a good chance against anyone that can be damaged by their weapons. While TMNT have skill, they lack the supernatural powers that most other super heroes have and that puts them at a big disadvantage.

[Kid Icarus]

No.

The TMNT are just ninjas... not super heros. They don't have any super powers, or any special abilities.

[KROW]

You're all crazy.

I KNOW about the Fantastic Four. I KNOW their strengths. Mikey would grab a friggin' HOSE and put out the Human Torch--Mikey thinks like that--and Torch wouldn't DARE use his Nova Flame in the lab so *ha ha*. Raph would carve Thing's rock-hard skin with his sais. I never said nor intended for the turtles to hit him with their fists! Leo can fight blindfolded, so invisible opponents are nothing to him (don't even say anything about Foot Tech ninjas!). Don would fiddle with Richards' lab and divert his attention in fixing things so Donnie could have time to figure out a way to take Richards out.

Franklin Richards doesn't count, or else it would be the Fantastic FIVE! Besides, he's still a kid in the comic.

And I said before that the X-Men would win, but the turtles would give them a hard time. Raph versus Wolverine would occupy the battle. Wolverine is NOT strong enough to take out ALL the turtles.

[cqb101]

You're all crazy.

I KNOW about the Fantastic Four. I KNOW their strengths. Mikey would grab a friggin' HOSE and put out the Human Torch--Mikey thinks like that--and Torch wouldn't DARE use his Nova Flame in the lab so *ha ha*. Raph would carve Thing's rock-hard skin with his sais. I never said nor intended for the turtles to hit him with their fists! Leo can fight blindfolded, so invisible opponents are nothing to him (don't even say anything about Foot Tech ninjas!). Don would fiddle with Richards' lab and divert his attention in fixing things so Donnie could have time to figure out a way to take Richards out.

Franklin Richards doesn't count, or else it would be the Fantastic FIVE! Besides, he's still a kid in the comic.

And I said before that the X-Men would win, but the turtles would give them a hard time. Raph versus Wolverine would occupy the battle. Wolverine is NOT strong enough to take out ALL the turtles.

Raph's sai's would break on Thing. Really the only time Thing got *carved* is When Wolvie slashed up his face....With adamantium claws. They're indestructible. Raph's sai's would shatter. And yes, Leo could EASILY beat Sue, and they could probably take down Torch and probably even Mr Fantastic, but they wouldn't be able to get past The Thing. And Franklin WOULD be in the fight. Why? Because he's alwys there. He's won't just sit back and watch his family get taken.

[KROW]

Really.

Well, with what you said, the turtles take out the FF except for Thing. then they ALL gang up on him at once. Leo, Raph, and Mikey keep him occupied while Don thinks of a way to finally beat him.

Franklin steps in and stops the fight by suspending the turtles in the air. Then the FF team with the TMNT to stop Shredder and Dr. Doom from conquering the world.

End of story. Written by KROW and cqb101 and drawn by Art Adams. A joint publication of Mirage/Marvel. All rights reserved.

Happy?

[cqb101]

Really.

Well, with what you said, the turtles take out the FF except for Thing. then they ALL gang up on him at once. Leo, Raph, and Mikey keep him occupied while Don thinks of a way to finally beat him.

Franklin steps in and stops the fight by suspending the turtles in the air. Then the FF team with the TMNT to stop Shredder and Dr. Doom from conquering the world.

End of story. Written by KROW and cqb101 and drawn by Art Adams. A joint publication of Mirage/Marvel. All rights reserved.

Happy?

*creams shorts* Shredder AND Doom together?

[KROW]

OHHHHH yeah, baby.
Doombots and Foot Soldiers, too.

Hmmm. I smell a fanfic. How about you?

[cqb101]

OHHHHH yeah, baby.
Doombots and Foot Soldiers, too.

Hmmm. I smell a fanfic. How about you?

Bah! No time....I can try to make some time for it tho....I'll put off some of my other fics.....You thinkin co-authored? PM me so we can discuss.

[KROW]

Okay. Though I'm new to the fanfic thing. I'll need to know the right way to do it so as to not confuse and anger anyone.

When you have the time, PM me about it and we'll chat. I don't want to over-burden you with this.

[cqb101]

Okay. Though I'm new to the fanfic thing. I'll need to know the right way to do it so as to not confuse and anger anyone.

When you have the time, PM me about it and we'll chat. I don't want to over-burden you with this.

Nah, it's not a burden.....I'm kinda stumped on my other fics anyways. I'll PM you in a minute.

[Orochi Chimera]

Raph and Leo would definitely benefit from having a pair of adamantium weapons.

[cqb101]

Raph and Leo would definitely benefit from having a pair of adamantium weapons.

Yep. Then, just maybe, they'd have a chance against SOME superhero teams.

[Utrom Shredder]

Of course against the JLA they would lose, thanks to that friggin' Superman.
That's not necessarily true. What if the Turtles had some bars of Kryptonite?

Anyway, why exactly would heroes fight each other? Wouldn't the good guys team up to fight the bad guys and the supervillians?

[Ryona]

It's not totally true that the TMNT lack superhuman abillities.
They have become quite superhuman with their Ninjutsu training.
They have amazing Agility and reflexes (especialy Michaelangelo), they have impresive physical strength and endurance (especialy Raphael), Donatello's genius is at the level of "nobel prize"!, and they have incredible concentration and ki manipulation abilities (especialy Leonardo; examples: sense the presence of others, astral projection, no mind, power focusing).

[cqb101]

Of course against the JLA they would lose, thanks to that friggin' Superman.
That's not necessarily true. What if the Turtles had some bars of Kryptonite?

Anyway, why exactly would heroes fight each other? Wouldn't the good guys team up to fight the bad guys and the supervillians?

So? They'd get past supes and get their asses handed to them by either GL or Batman(if he happens to be in this battle)

[Coola Yagami]

the TMNT are basically just like any other well trained human ninja. Their only unique aspects are I guess, lasting longer underwater, living over 100 years, ducking their heads in their shells, and turning around so their shell can take the brunt of some deadly attack. All the other stuff like living in shadow, martial arts and athletic ability, weapon mastery and such is what being a ninja is all about anyways, human or not. Hell, Batman does most of the stealthy ninja stuff the TMNT do and he's human.

[Sanjuro]

They would kick the sh*t out of Captain Planet and his Planeteers.

[cqb101]

They would kick the sh*t out of Captain Planet and his Planeteers.

Yes, but do they really qualify as a superhero team?

[Sanjuro]

Captain Planet....can fly....use powers to destroy evil....yup Superhero.

[Coola Yagami]

Captain Planet....can fly....use powers to destroy evil....yup Superhero.

yah, the tmnt can just throw garbage at him to weaken him.

[KROW]

Captain Planet....can fly....use powers to destroy evil....yup Superhero.

yah, the tmnt can just throw garbage at him to weaken him.

Great point, Coola. I was just about to say that.

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

its kinda hard to put the turtles up to other mutants that have powers that would roast them realize cyclops? turtles = cooked even if they went in there shells it his beam would cook them like a baked potatoe and not to mention xavier? omg burst your head and yes good ol wolvie would own them all hcs in the butt. he cant die realize he is like 400 years old... and its not like leo could chop off his head he does have a neck bone so yea... they would get owned. but it would be cool to see leo stab cyclops in the eye. bad ass. as for ff i think nt would win mr fantastic? cut him like a rubber band invisable women? omg owned she cant fight thing would be the problem well then again if turtles were smart (which the are) they would just own thing and human torch at once? both get owned by water thing would drown and thats how human torch died against onslaught so yea boom chicka tmnt = winners!

[Zachatello00]

It's kinda funny, my wife and I had this same conversation tonight. I gotta agree with Krow, Don would find a way.

[Jephael]

Why exactly would heroes fight each other? Wouldn't the good guys team up to fight the bad guys and the supervillians?

That's normally what happens, but there's always some sort of mis-understanding in the beginning where the two sets of goodguys get on one another's case and they wind up in a heated battle.
They've had Spider-Man fight Hulk and the X-Men plenty of times.

[Jester]

The TMNT would be an asset to almost any super hero team, but i think they'd be owned by most. The boys have esentially the same abilities, aside from donny's brain, which can get them outta scraps but Reed Richards is a freakin uber-genius, he'd almost be donny's idol, he'd out think donny in a heart beat. The TMNT could take sue and johnny, but ben would be a tough one. The x-men and avengers would take them out also, thought the boys would put up a fight, and a good one. Prof. X would probably break up the fight....like he did in the spidey animated series with the x-men. Now the JLA...who knows.....i'm not a big DC fan but with Sups and Diana.....the boys don't stand a chance....the tmnt would be a match for bats...and maybe flash....being ninja and all....but J'hon and well....John could whoop up on um.....but as it's been said the TMNT should team with the heros not fight....cant we all just get along???
What about TMNT vs. The Sinister 6.....or the Brotherhood.....or the league of Doom???

[Ryona]

Aside that the TMNT are ninja, you all have to remember that they are mutant turtles too. This gives them quite an advantage. Based on the role-playing game "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other strangeness", most of the TMNT stats are well above normal compared to average humans. TMNT total hits (S.D.C. + Hit Ponts) are around between 151 to 185! An average human's hits are around 20 to 30. Even really tough humans average around 40 to 80. Also, the TMNT have a natural body armour rating of 12 (tough skin, flesh & bones and shell). This means that 60% of most attaks will bounce off or deflect off of them! Normal humans don't have armour rating. On top of that, they have incredible breath control. They can hold their breaths for ten minutes!

Now, I'm not saying that the TMNT can beat any super hero, but they can at least last a really, really long time! :tsmile:

[KROW]

Exactly. That's why I said that teams like the X-Men and the Avengers would have a hard time beating them.

Great analysis, Ryo. Although I hardly understood a word of it. :D

[cqb101]

Exactly. That's why I said that teams like the X-Men and the Avengers would have a hard time beating them.

Great analysis, Ryo. Although I hardly understood a word of it. :D

The X-men aren't gonna have a hard time beating them when Logan can rip their heads off in one fell swoop, or Captain America can throw his shield and chop their heads off. That increased durability and everything is only going to aid them in hand to hand combat without weapons.

[Wingnut]

There is a superhero team the TMNT could beat...The Wonder Twins.

[KROW]

Alright, cqb101, let's not argue again. We had our spat. Besides, how can Wolvie or Cap swipe their heads off if they can retract their heads into their shells? :-?

Hmmm. TMNT versus the Wonder Twins? Oh, yeah...TMNT hands down. I also think the turtles could beat the Defenders...everyone else can.

[cqb101]

Alright, cqb101, let's not argue again. We had our spat. Besides, how can Wolvie or Cap swipe their heads off if they can retract their heads into their shells? :-?

Hmmm. TMNT versus the Wonder Twins? Oh, yeah...TMNT hands down. I also think the turtles could beat the Defenders...everyone else can.

We're not argueing, we're debating. It's all in good nature. Plus, I'm sure Wolvie would get them before they even realized what was happeneing and could think to pull their heads down. Sure, they're ninjas and all, but still.

[Albrecht]

the tmnt pulling their heads in is totally fake, yes they are turtles but their skelatal structure is that of a human.

[cqb101]

the tmnt pulling their heads in is totally fake, yes they are turtles but their skelatal structure is that of a human.

Then how come they were able to do it in the movie? Huh?!?! :wink:

[Ryona]

the tmnt pulling their heads in is totally fake, yes they are turtles but their skelatal structure is that of a human.

I agree. That's not posible with their humanoid form. What we saw in the movie was strictly humor. It goes the same with the old series aswell.
You never see them do that in the Mirage comics, and we won't be seeing them do that in the new series.

Getting back on topic... I agree that Wolverine can defeat the TMNT, but not easily. In any case, I believe that the TMNT can take out most of the X-men (not all of them, but most of them).

[cqb101]

the tmnt pulling their heads in is totally fake, yes they are turtles but their skelatal structure is that of a human.

I agree. That's not posible with their humanoid form. What we saw in the movie was strictly humor. It goes the same with the old series aswell.
You never see them do that in the Mirage comics, and we won't be seeing them do that in the new series.

Getting back on topic... I agree that Wolverine can defeat the TMNT, but not easily. In any case, I believe that the TMNT can take out most of the X-men (not all of them, but most of them).

Ya, they could take out cyclops, iceman, beast....Pretty much anybody BUT Wolvie, Phoenix, or the professor. Or Rogue.

[GK Punk]

Yeah, Rogue would pwn their asses.

[cqb101]

Yeah, Rogue would pwn their asses.

Of course. Rogue is my queen. *hugs rogue*

[GK Punk]

Rogue fans of the Technodrome, Unite!

[cqb101]

Rogue fans of the Technodrome, Unite!

Hells ya. I think it's time I broke out the ole rogue siggy banner.

[Jephael]

I am so digging that one you got with Don and Raph in the background!

[cqb101]

I am so digging that one you got with Don and Raph in the background!

Hehe. Thanks.

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

ninja turtles can kick the care bears ass any day of the week but i dunno they might be able to beat the anger out of raph with the CARE BEAR STARE! but he will fix that with a nice sci in the gut
(while im on the topic raph vs grumpy = amusing fight)

[cqb101]

ninja turtles can kick the care bears ass any day of the week but i dunno they might be able to beat the anger out of raph with the CARE BEAR STARE! but he will fix that with a nice sci in the gut
(while im on the topic raph vs grumpy = amusing fight)

This is about super heros....Not kids shows.

[Ryona]

How 'bout TMNT vs. Street Fighter? I think the TMNT can take out almost all the fighters. The ones that would be very challanging for the TMNT I would say would be Ryu, Ken, Bison (aka Vega in Japanese version) and Akuma.

[Spitfire]

The turtles would smoke the X-men and they could kick the avengers asses too. They could also spank Justice League because all Don has to do is find some K and stab super butthole with it and hes dust in the wind. And the Fanstatic Four are a joke! Invsible girl would get owned by Leo, The thing has nothing on Raph, Mikey could take out the human torch and don could kick mr.fantastic back into the stone age. Its not that their stronger its that their smarter and they can pull off moves the other team doesnt expect

[KROW]

How 'bout TMNT vs. Street Fighter? I think the TMNT can take out almost all the fighters. The ones that would be very challanging for the TMNT I would say would be Ryu, Ken, Bison (aka Vega in Japanese version) and Akuma.

Oh, man. I would LOVE to see Leo VS. Ryu, Mikey VS. Ken, Raph VS. Akuma, and Don VS. Bison! But I think Splinter would be able to beat all their arses. Casey VS. Vega (American version) would be sweet, too.

[cqb101]

The turtles would smoke the X-men and they could kick the avengers asses too. They could also spank Justice League because all Don has to do is find some K and stab super butthole with it and hes dust in the wind. And the Fanstatic Four are a joke! Invsible girl would get owned by Leo, The thing has nothing on Raph, Mikey could take out the human torch and don could kick mr.fantastic back into the stone age. Its not that their stronger its that their smarter and they can pull off moves the other team doesnt expect

How can the TMNT beat a team of people with superhuman powers(the X-men) especially when one of them has a healing power and can't die? Seriously. Plus, if it's the current X-men, they'd have to get past Juggernaut, which would never happen. ANd how are the TMNT smarter than Mr Fantastic? I highly, highly, doubt down could match wits with him.

[KROW]

Speaking from experience, Spitfire, do not reply to that. Unless, of course you're in the mood for a nice debate on superheroes. :D

Anyway, I want to say once and for all that the X-Men will definitely beat the turtles. HOWEVER, it will be a hard battle. That's what I've been saying all along. The only way the TMNT could win is if Don built a gadget that dampens the teams mutant powers a la the Savage World. Then, Wolverine would be out of the game, because his healing factor would be gone and the adamantium in his body would poison him. Then it would be a fair fight.

As for the Avengers, the turtles would also lose but the battle would be much closer. I think the only hope for them in that fight would be for them to take out Hawkeye, Vision, and Iron Man. Don can use IM's armor and reprogram Vision (maybe), and Mikey could take Hawk's arsenal of arrows.

But against the JLA, the TMNT have no hope. Kryptonite is too much if a non-realistic factor. How would they get it? Then there's Green Lantern. The TMNT can't compete with that, and I don't think they can steal his ring (doesn't the GL ring only serve the GL with the battery thing?) and use it against the JLA. Besides, what about Martian Manhunter? He's got psychic and supernatural powers. The TMNT canNOT defeat the JLA.

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

ninja turtles can kick the care bears ass any day of the week but i dunno they might be able to beat the anger out of raph with the CARE BEAR STARE! but he will fix that with a nice sci in the gut
(while im on the topic raph vs grumpy = amusing fight)

This is about super heros....Not kids shows.

with all do respect isnt ninja turtles a kid show also? and it was just a joke..

[Ryona]

I think what cqb101 means is that CareBears is just a silly little cartoon that has no sense of realism in it. I could never take the show seriously. It's too preachy for my liking, even when I was a kid.
TMNT (new series) on the other hand is serious, realistic (scientificly), mature, and based on the real world we live in.

Heck, I couldn't even compare the old TMNT series to CareBears.


Anyway..... Back on topic, what do you all think about TMNT vs. He-Man and the masters of the universe?
I don't think that the TMNT would have much trouble taking out most of the characters, but He-Man and Skeletor would be a pain in the butt to take out (if it could even be done). Even Man-at-Arms would be difficult to defeat.

[GK Punk]

He-Man could take them all out. Especially the newer He-Man with that Snake Armor. A great deal of the Masters are stronger and faster than the TMNT, so it would be tough for them to defeat the Masters. Now, TMNT vs The Evil Warriors is another story. They'd kick ass all over the evil warriors, EXCEPT Evil-Lyn and Skeletor. The Horde could take out the TMNT (They defeated the Snake Men, and if they can beat the snake men, they can beat TMNT)

And The Snake Men would probably Eat the TMNT. Literally, they eat the people they beat :lol:

[heretic888]

These kind of debates are always amusing, y'know. :roll:

Still, the problem is that it is highly dependent on the circumstances. Different settings and circumstances may favor one team over the other.

The TMNT would likely attack in a very sneaky, hit-and-run, or ambush style --- giving them an immediate advantage.

I do think things are a little unfair, though. Most of these battles are like a dozen superhumans against the four turtles. How could they possibly defeat such large numbers??

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

he man vs tmnt? is that a battle? he man would roast the turtles as much as it pains me to say that but think about it? he man can pick up rocks the size of buildings one episode i watched somone dropped a huge boulder on his head it was massive like the moon it fell right on top of him all he did was bust it in half and beat the guy up realize how power full you must be to do that? no ninja skillz can you help you if he grabs a hold of you *rip in half*

[KROW]

You know, I bet Donnie would be able to figure out that He-Man is actually Prince Adam and prevent him from transforming...somehow. I seem to be giving Donnie a lot of credit on this thread, aren't I?

Now that I think about it, wouldn't it be cool to see He-Man versus Shredder? He-Man's magic sword against the Sword of Tengu! How awesome would THAT be?

[GK Punk]

Donnie wouldn't be able to figure anything out, if he never meets prince Adam.

[KROW]

What do you mean?

[ZariusTwo]

If Donatello never meets Prince Adam, he can't deduce who He-Man is.

On a personal note, I'd REALLY like the TMNT to beat the crap out of THIS team

http://www.tonystrading.co.uk/graphics/books/teamknightrider.jpg

[KROW]

Well, obviously if he NEVER meets him. But I thought it was a typo. That he EVER meets him. Besides, I was talking about what might happen if Donnie DID meet Prince Adam and He-Man.

And I too would like to see the TMNT pummel those guys.

[Ryona]

Now that I think about it, wouldn't it be cool to see He-Man versus Shredder? He-Man's magic sword against the Sword of Tengu! How awesome would THAT be?

That would be sweet to watch! I can even see Leonardo with the sword of Tengu vs. He-Man. I would like to see Shredder (with the sword of Tengu) vs. Skeletor! :D

*a side note* I've been wanting to see the TMNT in one of those cross universe fighting games like "Marvel vs. Street Fighter" and "Capcom vs. SNK" for a VERY long time!
I think I'll take this up at the "Video Game Discussion" forum.

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

you know what was sick when the ninja turtles owned the power rangers they rocked em dont even try to mess then they became friends or somthing i dunno stupid kid shows

[heretic888]

he man vs tmnt? is that a battle? he man would roast the turtles as much as it pains me to say that but think about it? he man can pick up rocks the size of buildings one episode i watched somone dropped a huge boulder on his head it was massive like the moon it fell right on top of him all he did was bust it in half and beat the guy up realize how power full you must be to do that? no ninja skillz can you help you if he grabs a hold of you *rip in half*

One word: jutaijutsu. All the strength in the world won't go you any good then, since its being used against you.

Of course, this depends primarily on whether the Mirage TMNT are being used or not. I sincerily doubt the other incarnations of the TMNT would stand a chance against most of these groups. The Mirage guys wouldn't pull any punches though, and use something at least resembling real budo.

But, once again, it all depends on the circumstances the battle takes place in. If, for example, either group has foreknowledge of the other, if one has the element of surprise, the terrain they find themselves in, the weapons and/or vehicles they have at their disposal, and so on...

So, in summation, if its the Mirage TMNT (particularly the current ones that have like 30+ years of training experience), I give it to them. The others (except for maybe later Archie), gonna say no.

Laterz.

[heretic888]

I could also mention what the criterion for "winning" here is, anyway??

In most circumstances, for instance, the turtles' only conception of "winning" would be getting away from the battle unharmed (very Ninpo). I doubt they would be too concerned with taking the other guys out, unless forced to.

Things like that need to be taken into consideration, too.

[ZariusTwo]

you know what was sick when the ninja turtles owned the power rangers they rocked em dont even try to mess then they became friends or somthing i dunno stupid kid shows

Watch your typo-ridden tounge, some people here are Power Ranger fans.

And clearly you did'nt watch the entire episode, Astronema took control of the Turtle's minds and instructed them to take control of the Astro Megaship.

How do you like your precious Next Mutation Turtles being OWNED by a Power Ranger villain huh?

[Ryona]

To be honest, I think the TMNT can defeat the Power Rangers. To be fair though, I'm positive that the TMNT would be OWNED by the Power Rangers' mobile suits (mechas).

[heretic888]

Heh. Well, personally, I think the Ranger's preprogrammed, robotic-like thinking they conform to every episode would give the TMNT the edge....

The pattern would be all to obvious to them. :lol:

[Anarchistguy]

Oh, man. I would LOVE to see Leo VS. Ryu, Mikey VS. Ken, Raph VS. Akuma, and Don VS. Bison! But I think Splinter would be able to beat all their arses. Casey VS. Vega (American version) would be sweet, too.

Leo would have a TINY chance against Ryu, but Ken would beat the living crap out of Mike. Same thing with Akuma & Raph and Vega & Casey. BISON VS. DON??? Before Don can even move a muscle, Bison would break EVERY ****ING BONE in his body. What's next? Leonardo vs. Son Goku??

[heretic888]

but Ken would beat the living crap out of Mike.

Oh, piffle. Mike would waste Ken --- probably because:

1) He'd fight sneaky. "Haven't you heard of fighting fair?!" "Nope." SMACK!

2) He'd be willing to kill, if necessary.

3) His goal would be to escape unharmed, not 'beating' Ken. Thus, his goal would be much easier to achieve.

4) Mike's shell, as well as his superior experience, would give him an edge. As would his weapons.

This all, of course, assumes the Mirage Mikey is being used.

[Anarchistguy]

Nope.I'm talking about the FoxBox TMNT. I HIGHLY doubt that Fox Box Mike would be "willing to kill".

[KROW]

I was only using Don VS. Bison to get Donnie in there somewhere.

I've strayed from the Street Fighter mythos so I only know what I've seen from the old games, the toon movie, and the T.V. series--of which I haven't seen the most of. I don't really know which character would best match Don.

How about Leo VS. Sagat? Raph VS. Balrog? I don't know. I just think the TMNT would have a chance against most of the Street Fighters. And the fights would be pretty damn sweet to watch, no matter what the outcome. Can you just imagine a comic crossover? Or an Anime special?

[Lord Nightwalker]

Man, I was realy trying to avoid posting on this one. This is one of those fanboy bitch and moans that used to go on all the time at the DC forums. lol. I think, the TMNT have a good chance at taking out several superhero teams. They are Ninja. And have several advantages at their disposal. I mean, look...one of the absolute BEST(And yeah, one of my favorites) heros is a mortal man. And in the DCU he's been labeled the worlds most dangerous man. Just look to JLA first three part story arc to read that quote. And over in Marvel...anoughter mere human kicks the bejeezeus outa all kinds...and uses a large arsenel to boot.(You know, the guy with the big kevlar skull on his chest.) So I say, Hell yeah they can!

[KROW]

Amen, brotha'!

BTW, which DC character are you talking about? Constantine? I'm not a DC-geek so I don't know (and I won't research it, either).

But "The-Man-With-The-Skull-On-His-Chest" is definitely bad-ass. And I assume we're NOT talking about the one who met Archie and friends.

[cqb101]

I have one more thing to say in this thread: Deadpool would own the TMNT.


http://www.bobtheserver.com/pages/henchmen/deadpool.gif
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[cqb101]

Amen, brotha'!

BTW, which DC character are you talking about? Constantine? I'm not a DC-geek so I don't know (and I won't research it, either).

But "The-Man-With-The-Skull-On-His-Chest" is definitely bad-ass. And I assume we're NOT talking about the one who met Archie and friends.

Constantine the worlds most dangerous man? Pfft. I believe he's referring to Batman. :wink:

[KROW]

Batman was the first to enter my mind but I took a chance.

Do you think Deadpool would kill all the boys or leave Mikey alive for some laughs? What about Deadpool VS. Casey? Who'd win?

[cqb101]

Batman was the first to enter my mind but I took a chance.

Do you think Deadpool would kill all the boys or leave Mikey alive for some laughs? What about Deadpool VS. Casey? Who'd win?

If the TMNT couldn't beat Deadpool, I doubt Casey could. Hell, Deadpool could take on the four brother AND Casey at the same time and kick their asses. Casey'd be the first to go. He'd get shot. He's not fast, agile, or smart enough to avoid gunfire.

[Ryona]

Heck, I dougt that one bullet would even slow down Casey! The guy has alot of raw power, and a pretty damn high pain threshold!

I think the TMNT would do decently well against guys like Ryu and Ken; plus it's been hinted in the comics that the TMNT have good manipulation with ki.

[cqb101]

Heck, I dougt that one bullet would even slow down Casey! The guy has alot of raw power, and a pretty damn high pain threshold!

Ya, but still, when someones unloading a clip from an SMG on you, you're gonna go down...No matter who you are.

[heretic888]

Nope.I'm talking about the FoxBox TMNT. I HIGHLY doubt that Fox Box Mike would be "willing to kill".

Well, you may have a point if we're talking about that Mikey. But, honestly, its very unlikely the FoxBox TMNT would beat any other established group or fighter.

The Mirage and/or Archie TMNT, on the other hand....

How about Leo VS. Sagat? Raph VS. Balrog? I don't know. I just think the TMNT would have a chance against most of the Street Fighters.

Leo and Raph would win, if we're talking Mirage. I doubt the FoxBox versions would do that well.

The reason the TMNT would have a huge edge over most of the Street Fighters is that the Street Fighters have been trained to fight against ONE opponent, who is (usually) UNARMED. That's their specialty, their forte. They are also trained to fight within the boundaries of some sort of tournament-style rules.

The TMNT have not.

I have one more thing to say in this thread: Deadpool would own the TMNT.

That's a joke, right?? :roll:

Of course, I suppose in some circumstances, Deadpool would have an advantage...

Do you think Deadpool would kill all the boys or leave Mikey alive for some laughs? What about Deadpool VS. Casey? Who'd win?

I think Deadpool would kill Casey, since guns beat hockey sticks --- and CJ doesn't have the kind of skill needed to outmaneuver a sharpshooter like Deadpool.

I think any one of the TMNT would waste Deadpool, though. Mirage-ish, anyway.

Hell, Deadpool could take on the four brother AND Casey at the same time and kick their asses.

Once again, this is a joke, right??

Heck, I dougt that one bullet would even slow down Casey! The guy has alot of raw power, and a pretty damn high pain threshold!

Unless he's a drug addict, that wouldn't matter. Human is human, and a bullet is a bullet.

I think the TMNT would do decently well against guys like Ryu and Ken; plus it's been hinted in the comics that the TMNT have good manipulation with ki.

Not in the way you're thinking about. Remember, they study ninjutsu. Not aikido.

Laterz.

[cqb101]

Ok, here's my reasonging behind why Deadpool can beat the TMNT. First off, he has a healing factor. The TMNT wouldn't be able to kill him. But again, it may not be a fight to the death so that doesn't really matter either. Secondly, his arsenal of weapons and how well he's trained to use them. Third, he ALSO trained in different forms of martial arts, I believe even Ninjitsu. He knows what the TMNT can do, for the most part. Finally, he can teleport. I know it's not part of his powers and rather one of his gadgets, but it still counts.

[heretic888]

Ok, here's my reasonging behind why Deadpool can beat the TMNT. First off, he has a healing factor. The TMNT wouldn't be able to kill him.

They don't have to kill him. Furthermore, why would they want to??

Secondly, his arsenal of weapons and how well he's trained to use them.

The TMNT have an "arsenal of weapons", too, and they're much more skilled with them.

Third, he ALSO trained in different forms of martial arts, I believe even Ninjitsu. He knows what the TMNT can do, for the most part.

Nope. Sorry.

I know this "cross-training produces super-warriors" fantasy is very appealing to many would-be tournament fighters --- but the simple truth is that martial arts don't really work that way.

Training for years and years in the fundamentals of a single art, to the point of mastery, is far more preferable than dabbling in several arts. Any experienced martial artist will tell you that. Besides, Deadpool's military-trained and, this is no attack on military types, their "martial arts" training is (contrary to popular belief) nowhere near the level of an experienced civilian martial arts dojo.

Don't think this storefront "uber-list" of styles is somehow a sign of skill. I have read Deadpool, and he is NOWHERE near as skilled in hand-to-hand (or stealth) as the TMNT.

Finally, he can teleport. I know it's not part of his powers and rather one of his gadgets, but it still counts.

That's cool and all, but it would also be the TMNT's advantage. Their goal would be to get away unharmed --- not to 'beat' him. This is why they would succeed in most battles like this.

Laterz.

[cqb101]

But if they're trying to escape Deadpool can just teleport and bamf! He's right near them again. He wouldn't let them escape.

[heretic888]

But if they're trying to escape Deadpool can just teleport and bamf! He's right near them again. He wouldn't let them escape.

Difficult to stop someone you can't see. :P

[cqb101]

But if they're trying to escape Deadpool can just teleport and bamf! He's right near them again. He wouldn't let them escape.

Difficult to stop someone you can't see. :P

God damn it. You win again. :oops:

[heretic888]

Mwahahaha!!! *sips the blood of infants in the corner while contemplating his evil-ness*

[Ryona]

I think the TMNT would do decently well against guys like Ryu and Ken; plus it's been hinted in the comics that the TMNT have good manipulation with ki.

Not in the way you're thinking about. Remember, they study ninjutsu. Not aikido.



True, but the way I was looking at it was that in the world of Street Fighter, half the fighters can do some kind of ki projectile attack regardless of what Martial Art they know (I know, it's not realistic), so I figured that if the TMNT (the Mirage TMNT) were put into that world to fight them, their ki manipulation skills would be tweeked in that universe.
In any case, the awesome thing about Ninjutsu is that you can always expand your training and develope new variations to you techniques/abillities. It's a flexible art with practicly no boundries (I know you know this, I'm just clairifying myself).

[heretic888]

True, but the way I was looking at it was that in the world of Street Fighter, half the fighters can do some kind of ki projectile attack regardless of what Martial Art they know (I know, it's not realistic), so I figured that if the TMNT (the Mirage TMNT) were put into that world to fight them, their ki manipulation skills would be tweeked in that universe.

This is true. I proposed similar mechanics for when (and if) the TMNT enter the Dragonball Z "world". Regarding Street Fighter, however, I would say that the TMNT: Tournament Fighters games would be a good indicator of what "ki powers" the TMNT would be capable of.

In any case, the awesome thing about Ninjutsu is that you can always expand your training and develope new variations to you techniques/abillities. It's a flexible art with practicly no boundries (I know you know this, I'm just clairifying myself).

This is true. However, there are underlying principles behind all of Ninpo methodology, even though the outward forms of the art evolve and adapt over time. Meaning, the art works the way it works because of these broad principles. This goes for Ninpo's approach to "internal" training, as well.

I refer you to this thread for clarification on how Ninpo treats "internal" work:

http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5895

Actual "powers" the TMNT have exhibited in the comics include:
- an ability to enter a trance-like state whereby their need for oxygen is dramatically reduced
- the ability to "see through" illusions and similar effects
- the ability to "sense" the movements, energy, and general location of others --- even when denied access to their other senses (i.e., blinded)
- resistance to certain forms of mind control
- "explosive power" --- the TMNT seem able to generate enormous amounts of power in their movements far beyond their normal physical strength (Raphael has knocked down a steel door with one kick and ripped out a parking meter from the ground with a yank, Michelangelo has repeatedly punched through the side of a barn wall during a training session as if it was paper as well as split a workbench in half with a kick, etc.)

Then, of course, there is their uncanny level of acrobatic skill, precision (Mike once shot nine apples of Don's head consecutively with a bow and arrow), stealth (they can "disappear" in less than 2 seconds' time), and martial arts.

Laterz.

[KROW]

Okay, enough. I think Deadpool wouldn't kill the TMNT. He'd most likely drink a few beers with Casey and joke around with Mikey. Don would analyze his weaponry and powers. Leo would like to know more about his past. I doubt they'd fight at all.

Can't we all just get along?

[Ryona]

I refer you to this thread for clarification on how Ninpo treats "internal" work:

http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5895

.

Thanks for the link. There's alot of interesting information there. :)

Another "Internal" abillity that the TMNT can do is astral projection.

Anyway... Back on topic; what do you all think about the TMNT vs. the Sailor Scouts? The Sailor Scouts have impresive powers, but on the other hand, the TMNT are better fighters.

[Spitfire]

You can have every freaking super power on the planet but if someone can figure out your weakness your are screwed. A 5 year old could beat venom as long as he had a some form of super sonic sound. A retard could beat Superman as long as he had some K handy. It doesnt matter if you can shoot lasers out of your ass you can be defeated. Im saying the turtles have Ninja trainning. Therefore they can be stealthy, think quickly, fight until their last breath, and kick butt. The turtles could beat anyone really(except for people who are like 400 ft tall) and anyone could beat the turtles. Think about it lets take The Hulk for example hes big therefore hes slow the turtles could take him. They might get smack around alittle but they could beat him. But then again the Hulk could catch one off guard and get the upper hand. Furthermore super heros who cant die a lame stupid and not very fun

[KROW]

I will now sing for Spitfire:

HAAAAAA-LAY-LOO-YAH!
HAAAAAA-LAY-LOO-YAH!
Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
HA-LAYYYYYYY-LOO-YAHHHHHHHH!

Case closed! :D

[cqb101]

You can have every freaking super power on the planet but if someone can figure out your weakness your are screwed. A 5 year old could beat venom as long as he had a some form of super sonic sound. A retard could beat Superman as long as he had some K handy. It doesnt matter if you can shoot lasers out of your ass you can be defeated. Im saying the turtles have Ninja trainning. Therefore they can be stealthy, think quickly, fight until their last breath, and kick butt. The turtles could beat anyone really(except for people who are like 400 ft tall) and anyone could beat the turtles. Think about it lets take The Hulk for example hes big therefore hes slow the turtles could take him. They might get smack around alittle but they could beat him. But then again the Hulk could catch one off guard and get the upper hand. Furthermore super heros who cant die a lame stupid and not very fun

Ok, tell me how the TMNT could be Juggernaut. Or Wolverine for that matter.

And you're right about Deadpool...He probably would just go hang out with Casey. But I still think he could be any ONE TMNT at one time.

[Spitfire]

You can have every freaking super power on the planet but if someone can figure out your weakness your are screwed. A 5 year old could beat venom as long as he had a some form of super sonic sound. A retard could beat Superman as long as he had some K handy. It doesnt matter if you can shoot lasers out of your ass you can be defeated. Im saying the turtles have Ninja trainning. Therefore they can be stealthy, think quickly, fight until their last breath, and kick butt. The turtles could beat anyone really(except for people who are like 400 ft tall) and anyone could beat the turtles. Think about it lets take The Hulk for example hes big therefore hes slow the turtles could take him. They might get smack around alittle but they could beat him. But then again the Hulk could catch one off guard and get the upper hand. Furthermore super heros who cant die a lame stupid and not very fun

Ok, tell me how the TMNT could be Juggernaut. Or Wolverine for that matter.

And you're right about Deadpool...He probably would just go hang out with Casey. But I still think he could be any ONE TMNT at one time.
Wolverine can be beaten hes been beaten before same as Juggernaut. Make them send themselves off a cliff. dump acid on themselves, shock themselves, set themselves on fire. A number of things. Dodgeing can be wonders. I mean someone SPiderman kicked Super-boys ass by making him dumb a vat of acid on himself hahaha

[ZariusTwo]

WRONG

Spidy blinded Superboy with Impact Webbing and tricked him into electrocuting himself.

[Spitfire]

What ever I havtn read thw crossover in awhile it still proves my point no matter what the scenerio is

[cqb101]

You can have every freaking super power on the planet but if someone can figure out your weakness your are screwed. A 5 year old could beat venom as long as he had a some form of super sonic sound. A retard could beat Superman as long as he had some K handy. It doesnt matter if you can shoot lasers out of your ass you can be defeated. Im saying the turtles have Ninja trainning. Therefore they can be stealthy, think quickly, fight until their last breath, and kick butt. The turtles could beat anyone really(except for people who are like 400 ft tall) and anyone could beat the turtles. Think about it lets take The Hulk for example hes big therefore hes slow the turtles could take him. They might get smack around alittle but they could beat him. But then again the Hulk could catch one off guard and get the upper hand. Furthermore super heros who cant die a lame stupid and not very fun

Ok, tell me how the TMNT could be Juggernaut. Or Wolverine for that matter.

And you're right about Deadpool...He probably would just go hang out with Casey. But I still think he could be any ONE TMNT at one time.
Wolverine can be beaten hes been beaten before same as Juggernaut. Make them send themselves off a cliff. dump acid on themselves, shock themselves, set themselves on fire. A number of things. Dodgeing can be wonders. I mean someone SPiderman kicked Super-boys ass by making him dumb a vat of acid on himself hahaha

Just because Wolvie's been beaten before doesn't mean he could be beaten by the TMNT. Everytime he's been beaten it's been by someone with superpowers.

[Spitfire]

You know the turtles finding someone to help them kick wolverine ass also counts as beating him <_<

[KROW]

Actually, cqb101 has a point.

With Wolverine, the turtles would have a very hard time trying to beat him. Not only because of his healing factor, but because he has some fighting prowess in the Martial Arts. As a matter of fact, if the TMNT fought Wolverine, it would come down to him and Raph. Raph's got that extra animal instinct that can match Wolvie and he also has an occasional adrenaline rush at times. But in the end, Wolverine would win out. But, as I said before, the TMNT could only beat him if Donnie made a gadget that would negate Wolverine's healing factor. That goes for the rest of the X-Men. Which brings me to Juggernaut.

With Juggie, the boys would definitely lose. The only way to get the edge against him is to remove his armor. And the turtles' weapons are not strong enough to counteract that Cytorrak gem that powers him. And I don't think Donnie could come up with a plan to beat him.

[Jarrah White]

Could TMNT beat any other Super Hero Team?


http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics/archie_specials/year_of_the_turtle_1.jpg
They sure could beat this super hero team of nitwits.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Amen, brotha'!

BTW, which DC character are you talking about? Constantine? I'm not a DC-geek so I don't know (and I won't research it, either).

But "The-Man-With-The-Skull-On-His-Chest" is definitely bad-ass. And I assume we're NOT talking about the one who met Archie and friends.

Constantine the worlds most dangerous man? Pfft. I believe he's referring to Batman. :wink:
Yes. I was refering to the Bat.

[cqb101]

Actually, cqb101 has a point.

With Wolverine, the turtles would have a very hard time trying to beat him. Not only because of his healing factor, but because he has some fighting prowess in the Martial Arts. As a matter of fact, if the TMNT fought Wolverine, it would come down to him and Raph. Raph's got that extra animal instinct that can match Wolvie and he also has an occasional adrenaline rush at times. But in the end, Wolverine would win out. But, as I said before, the TMNT could only beat him if Donnie made a gadget that would negate Wolverine's healing factor. That goes for the rest of the X-Men. Which brings me to Juggernaut.

With Juggie, the boys would definitely lose. The only way to get the edge against him is to remove his armor. And the turtles' weapons are not strong enough to counteract that Cytorrak gem that powers him. And I don't think Donnie could come up with a plan to beat him.

Exactly. Donny would have to figure out a way to pretty much nullify the X-gene....Which probably isn't even possible.

[ZariusTwo]

Could TMNT beat any other Super Hero Team?


http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics/archie_specials/year_of_the_turtle_1.jpg
They sure could beat this super hero team of nitwits.

Oh I agree...simply because those guys they fought were NOT the Power Rangers, only a parody of them

[Jester]

TMNT vs. Spidey..... who would win??? any takers.....i think it'd be a close one.....maybe.....the TMNT would win though......even though i love spidey....
pete's spider-sence would help a bit...but ninjetsu stealth would prevail. the tmnt would surround confuse and take down.....ok so maybe it would be a bit one sided....

[cqb101]

TMNT vs. Spidey..... who qwould win??? any takers.....i think it'd be a close one.....maybe.....the TMNT would win though......even though i love spidey....

The TMNT would overpowers him.....It is, afterall, four on one. One on one with any of the turtles, Spidey would easily win.

[KROW]

How about the TMNT versus the Sinister Six? I think with the right strategy, the turtles would win.

Yes, I know the SS are villains but that Spidey question made me think of it.

[cqb101]

How about the TMNT versus the Sinister Six? I think with the right strategy, the turtles would win.

Yes, I know the SS are villains but that Spidey question made me think of it.

That's be close, but I'd still have to give it to the SS....The TMNT would be outnumbered, not to mention out powered.

[KROW]

True. But what if they had Casey with them?

[cqb101]

True. But what if they had Casey with them?

I'd still give it to the SS.....They're still outnumbered(even if by only 1), and the SS are just way more powerful and a lot to tangle with.

[KROW]

Which version of the SS are you thinking of, by the way? I'm thinking of the classic with Doc Ock, Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Vulture, and Kraven. I believe that with the right tools, the TMNT could win. Perhaps if Donnie put some gadgets together they could nullify some of the SS' powers. Hmmm...maybe if they had Spidey with them, too...

How about that?

[cqb101]

Which version of the SS are you thinking of, by the way? I'm thinking of the classic with Doc Ock, Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Vulture, and Kraven. I believe that with the right tools, the TMNT could win. Perhaps if Donnie put some gadgets together they could nullify some of the SS' powers. Hmmm...maybe if they had Spidey with them, too...

How about that?

Ya, I'm thinking classic, too. The only problems would be Doc Ock, Scorpion, possibly Electro and possibly Vulture....The rest would be no problem at all.

[That Matt Guy]

What about...

TMNT vs ATHF + Carl?

[TheRATKING]

What about...

TMNT vs ATHF + Carl? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[KROW]

A classic episode in and of itself. Carl rules.

[cqb101]

What about...

TMNT vs ATHF + Carl?

http://www.moviemaniacs.net/forum/images/smiles/thrash.gif

[KROW]

DUDE! Awesome smiley! Gimme!

[Ryona]

Yeah! That's a wicked smiley!

Btw, who is ATHF + Carl?

[TheRATKING]

aqua teen hunger force its on cartoon networks adult swim

[KROW]

That show is so weird it's awesome. besides Carl, my favorite character is Frylock.

If the TMNT ever fought them, they'd win. The only one they would have trouble with is Frylock. But four-on-one the turtles would win.

[TheRATKING]

that show rules but id have to give the nod to our boys in green here

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

I have one more thing to say in this thread: Deadpool would own the TMNT.


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omg that is so true deadpool would own them hcs itb!!!

[KROW]

Ugh.

Anyway, what about the Powerpuff Girls? Would the TMNT be able to beat them?

[cqb101]

Ugh.

Anyway, what about the Powerpuff Girls? Would the TMNT be able to beat them?

Of course.

Oh, and I stole the smiley from another forum. :P

[Jephael]

I'd love to see what a fight between the TMNT and some of the Teen Titans would be like.

[cqb101]

I'd love to see what a fight between the TMNT and some of the Teen Titans would be like.

Mikey vs. Beast Boy
Leo vs. Robin
Don vs. Cyborg
Raph vs. Raven
Casey vs. Starfire

[KROW]

Would the TMNT win? I think they might, since the TT have less experience and argue alot. Still, their powers versus the turtles' fighting prowess would make an interesting battle.

[rayfillet101]

Casey Vs. Star, Id like to see April vs Star! But wouldnt casey or april vs star be child abuse. They are in their 20s and the teen titans are, well teens.

[KROW]

Well, sometimes teens need a good smack every now and then. And their powers make them different, so they can take the damage.

[cqb101]

Would the TMNT win? I think they might, since the TT have less experience and argue alot. Still, their powers versus the turtles' fighting prowess would make an interesting battle.

I'd say TMNT. The only ones they'd have problems withh would be Robin and Raven. TMNT win, hands down.

[That Matt Guy]

omg that is so true deadpool would own them hcs itb!!!

Dood 4hr jrd ehr omg sjdrp34 :roll:

[KROW]

What the shell? What are you speaking? Klingon?

[That Matt Guy]

Made up crap.

[KROW]

Oooookay.
BTW, Nice Gomez pic.

[cqb101]

omg that is so true deadpool would own them hcs itb!!!

Dood 4hr jrd ehr omg sjdrp34 :roll:

Haha. You actually make more sense than him.

[heretic888]

Can't we all just get along?

Another manifestation of the ultimate liberal fantasy: if someone disagrees with your point-of-view, then you aren't "getting along". In other words, if I disagree with a point you have, then its a personal attack.

Now, that's just plain silly. People disagree on stuff all that time, and get along swimmingly. This is just another symptom of the Culture of Narcissism (re: "nobody tells me what to do!"), I suppose .

Thanks for the link. There's alot of interesting information there.

No problemo. ;)

Another "Internal" abillity that the TMNT can do is astral projection.

I've never actually seem them astrally project outside of the Image books.

Anyway... Back on topic; what do you all think about the TMNT vs. the Sailor Scouts? The Sailor Scouts have impresive powers, but on the other hand, the TMNT are better fighters.

Errr.... that's a joke, right?? :P

The TMNT. ANY version.

You can have every freaking super power on the planet but if someone can figure out your weakness your are screwed. A 5 year old could beat venom as long as he had a some form of super sonic sound. A retard could beat Superman as long as he had some K handy. It doesnt matter if you can shoot lasers out of your ass you can be defeated. Im saying the turtles have Ninja trainning. Therefore they can be stealthy, think quickly, fight until their last breath, and kick butt. The turtles could beat anyone really(except for people who are like 400 ft tall) and anyone could beat the turtles. Think about it lets take The Hulk for example hes big therefore hes slow the turtles could take him. They might get smack around alittle but they could beat him. But then again the Hulk could catch one off guard and get the upper hand. Furthermore super heros who cant die a lame stupid and not very fun

Ummmmm.... right. :roll:

Ok, tell me how the TMNT could be Juggernaut. Or Wolverine for that matter.

Depends on your definition of "beat".

The problem with a lot of the arguments here is that everyone has a rather simplistic notion of what strategies and methods are involved in actual combat. Overt and direct power can often be meaningless against tact, stealth, and strategy --- and there's always the power of "luck". Hatsumi-soke once commented that 9/10 of the battles in ancient Greece were won due to unconventional methods (i.e., stealth, ambushes, etc.). That is a very telling fact, in my opinion.

To answer the specific querry, the TMNT could beat Juggernaut exactly like Spider-Man has : he's big, he's slow, and he's stupid.

Wolverine has also been "beaten" by people far less powerful than him --- he's unkillable, not un-knock-out-able. In a somewhat recent issue of Wolverine, for example, Logan had his posterior handed to him by a regular human wanting the legal title "best there is at what I do". Now, it was a good fight, mind you, but the extremely well-trained human (whose name eludes me at the moment) clearly had the upper hand.

And you're right about Deadpool...He probably would just go hang out with Casey. But I still think he could be any ONE TMNT at one time.


I don't. Stealth and superior skill, not to mention superior experience, wins.

Just because Wolvie's been beaten before doesn't mean he could be beaten by the TMNT. Everytime he's been beaten it's been by someone with superpowers.

Wrong. He has been beaten by Shingen Takeda (although Logan later got revenge). He has been beaten by the human I referenced above. He has been beaten by a "granny sensei" before. He has been beaten by Elektra (so to speak).

With Wolverine, the turtles would have a very hard time trying to beat him. Not only because of his healing factor, but because he has some fighting prowess in the Martial Arts. As a matter of fact, if the TMNT fought Wolverine, it would come down to him and Raph. Raph's got that extra animal instinct that can match Wolvie and he also has an occasional adrenaline rush at times. But in the end, Wolverine would win out.

That's a rather simplistic and naive analysis, in my opinion.

Having Raph be the one "it comes down to" for no other reason than he is most like Logan is silly, considering nobody has every beat Wolverine by "out-feraling" him. The guys that have beat him always do so through tact, skill, or sheer power.

With Juggie, the boys would definitely lose. The only way to get the edge against him is to remove his armor. And the turtles' weapons are not strong enough to counteract that Cytorrak gem that powers him.

This demonstrates, once again, the rather limited frame of reference people usually bring to discussions like this.

Spider-Man beat Juggernaut by outmaneuvering him and making him drop buildings on his own head. The TMNT could easily take a similar route. Smashing a guy's skull in is not the only means of attaining victory in battle.

Its rather funny when people say "who'd beat who", what they really mean is who'd outmuscle who. Not who'd outfight who.

Exactly. Donny would have to figure out a way to pretty much nullify the X-gene....Which probably isn't even possible.


Nah, its been done before. Lots of times.

Oh I agree...simply because those guys they fought were NOT the Power Rangers, only a parody of them


*chuckle* Its not like the 'real' Power Rangers could do much better. :roll:

The TMNT would overpowers him.....It is, afterall, four on one. One on one with any of the turtles, Spidey would easily win.

Nope. Wrong again.

Spider-man is not a particularly skilled combatant. And it would show. He's basically just a kid that got a buttload of wierdness dumped on him.

Besides, once again, stealth always win. And the spider-sense isn't exactly an exact science either.

Which version of the SS are you thinking of, by the way? I'm thinking of the classic with Doc Ock, Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Vulture, and Kraven. I believe that with the right tools, the TMNT could win. Perhaps if Donnie put some gadgets together they could nullify some of the SS' powers. Hmmm...maybe if they had Spidey with them, too...

How about that?

Depends on the situation.

Would the TMNT win? I think they might, since the TT have less experience and argue alot. Still, their powers versus the turtles' fighting prowess would make an interesting battle.]

It'd take the TMNT all of 2 minutes to down those retards. :roll:

Heh. Laterz.

[KROW]

Well, heretic, you seem to have alot to say.

When I said, "Can't we all just get along?", I was joking.

And if I remember correctly, Juggernaut is invincible. He can run through buildings head-first. A lot of debris falling on his head would not stop him unless his helmet was off. That's what a juggernaut is--an unstoppable force and an immovable object. And Spider-Man wasn't a kid when they fought. Juggernaut is not stupid, he just lets anger get the best of him...like a certain TMNT. I never said that the turtles would out-muscle him. I said that their weapons could not break through his armor. Who thinks of muscle when they think of ninjas?

I also never said Raph would "out-feral" Wolverine. I said that Raph would be the last one standing because of his rage, adrenaline, and stubborn determination in battle. And Wolverine has taken on more than four at one time...and won. And not just against thugs. Ever hear of the Hellfire Club?

As for Spider-Man not being a skilled combatant, clearly you're one of those slaves to the Ultimate line. I'm talking Spider-Man now--in his late 20s. Besides, Spider-Man took on the entire Sinister Six, the Fantastic Four, some of the X-Men, and more outnumbering enemies--and he won. It would take him a while to get used to the turtles fighting technique, but he would win in the end.

[cqb101]

Well, heretic, you seem to have alot to say.

When I said, "Can't we all just get along?", I was joking.

And if I remember correctly, Juggernaut is invincible. He can run through buildings head-first. A lot of debris falling on his head would not stop him unless his helmet was off. That's what a juggernaut is--an unstoppable force and an immovable object. And Spider-Man wasn't a kid when they fought. Juggernaut is not stupid, he just lets anger get the best of him...like a certain TMNT. I never said that the turtles would out-muscle him. I said that their weapons could not break through his armor. Who thinks of muscle when they think of ninjas?

I also never said Raph would "out-feral" Wolverine. I said that Raph would be the last one standing because of his rage, adrenaline, and stubborn determination in battle. And Wolverine has taken on more than four at one time...and won. And not just against thugs. Ever hear of the Hellfire Club?

As for Spider-Man not being a skilled combatant, clearly you're one of those slaves to the Ultimate line. I'm talking Spider-Man now--in his late 20s. Besides, Spider-Man took on the entire Sinister Six, the Fantastic Four, some of the X-Men, and more outnumbering enemies--and he won. It would take him a while to get used to the turtles fighting technique, but he would win in the end.

Hey! Don't be dissin on the Ultimate comics. :P

[KROW]

I'm not dissing them at all. I just hate the hype. Everyone reads the Ultimate Spider-Man and think it's THE basic continuity. It's not. Its only purpose was to introduce younger readers to Spider-Man and give him a more modern tech edge in his origin and the origins of his enemies.

I actually like the Ultimates book, although I'm not a collector.

[cqb101]

I'm not dissing them at all. I just hate the hype. Everyone reads the Ultimate Spider-Man and think it's THE basic continuity. It's not. Its only purpose was to introduce younger readers to Spider-Man and give him a more modern tech edge in his origin and the origins of his enemies.

I actually like the Ultimates book, although I'm not a collector.

Oh, ok...But ya, I agree with ya...People tret them like THE continuity....Seems almost like marvel does, too.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Marvel continuity is nuts. They had several different ones going the last time I picked a title up. I'm thinking like three different realities or mayber four. And I still say the TMNT have a good chance at hanging with the crews of both Marvel and DC. I mean, come on...Most of them have skills similar in origin to the TMNT. MOST of them have at least a patial back ground in a martial art or two. and the the things the TMNT do, and have done are great feats in their own right. And look at Shredder and the Elite....man, They could bsmack quite a few villians and heros around. The TMNT are under rated. Seriously.

[Ryona]

the things the TMNT do, and have done are great feats in their own right. And look at Shredder and the Elite....man, They could smack quite a few villians and heros around. The TMNT are under rated. Seriously.

Agreed.

[Spitfire]

Yeah the turtles are being under estmated
Btw the Ultimate comics Was alright I mean Green Goblin looked cool. "Grave Matters" is my favorite Spiderman comic ever I just dont know what issue number or what series its in. I know its with thge Ben Spiderman though. Im to lazy to dig it out of my stack

[cqb101]

Marvel continuity is nuts. They had several different ones going the last time I picked a title up. I'm thinking like three different realities or mayber four. And I still say the TMNT have a good chance at hanging with the crews of both Marvel and DC. I mean, come on...Most of them have skills similar in origin to the TMNT. MOST of them have at least a patial back ground in a martial art or two. and the the things the TMNT do, and have done are great feats in their own right. And look at Shredder and the Elite....man, They could bsmack quite a few villians and heros around. The TMNT are under rated. Seriously.

They have 2 continuity's....Regular(original) and Ultimate.

[heretic888]

Well, heretic, you seem to have alot to say.

Yup.

When I said, "Can't we all just get along?", I was joking.


Must'a forgotten to unleash that sarcasm smilie, neh? :P

And if I remember correctly, Juggernaut is invincible. He can run through buildings head-first. A lot of debris falling on his head would not stop him unless his helmet was off. That's what a juggernaut is--an unstoppable force and an immovable object.

Ummm.... that's all nice and all, but the fact remains that Spider-Man beat him by outmaneuvering him and causing all those "weak" debris and buildings to fall on top of him. The fact also remains that you don't have to "beat" somebody by outmuscling him, which is the general mood of discussions like this.

The simple truth is that there are very few other comic book characters the TMNT could actually "outmuscle". They are many, however, that they could defeat in battle --- and not always by conventional means.

Also... last time I checked, Juggy's got holes for his eyes, right?? :evilgrin:

And Spider-Man wasn't a kid when they fought.

He has no formal training, and very little experience fighting opponents that are as powerful or skilled as himself (and it shows when he does end up actually battling guys like that). Draw your own conclusions.

Juggernaut is not stupid, he just lets anger get the best of him...

Actually, Juggernaut is quite stupid. He's usually portrayed as an extremely low-brow, thuggish type.

I never said that the turtles would out-muscle him. I said that their weapons could not break through his armor. Who thinks of muscle when they think of ninjas?

Who thinks of "armor-breaking weapons" when they think of ninja, either?? Certainly not me...

You're still running into the same fallacies as before: that you have to "smash" someone into submission to defeat them. Sorry, no dice.

I also never said Raph would "out-feral" Wolverine. I said that Raph would be the last one standing because of his rage, adrenaline, and stubborn determination in battle.

You realize you just contradicted yourself, right??

In any event, you're wrong on both accounts. Superior anger and stamina does not necessarily mean you'll be the "last one standing". My bets are personally on Leonardo much moreso than Raph.

And Wolverine has taken on more than four at one time...and won. And not just against thugs. Ever hear of the Hellfire Club?

Wolverine has also taken on one at a time --- and lost. Remember Shingen Takeda??

In addition, the TMNT have also taken on more than four at a time --- and won. And not just against thugs. Remember the Human Federation army?? The Triceraton army?? The Shredder Elite?? The Foot Clan?? The Mousers?? Etcetera ad infinitum...

As for Spider-Man not being a skilled combatant, clearly you're one of those slaves to the Ultimate line. I'm talking Spider-Man now--in his late 20s. Besides, Spider-Man took on the entire Sinister Six, the Fantastic Four, some of the X-Men, and more outnumbering enemies--and he won.[/quotte]

The only one of those Spider-Man has beaten is the Sinister Six --- and he usually did so through pitting them against each other. Spider-Man has never beaten the Fantastic Four.

And the X-Men?? Hah, Spider-Man hasn't even beaten Wolverine, let alone his entire team.

[quote] It would take him a while to get used to the turtles fighting technique, but he would win in the end.

Nope, sorry. The TMNT (Mirage version) would have a number of advantages --- set aside stealth, superior training, superior experience, equal-if-not-greater speed and agility, superior numbers, willingness to kill, and shock factor (i.e., Spider-Man is famous, they are not). The major advantage they would have is their use of extremely unconventional tactics --- if you know what I mean.

I'm not dissing them at all. I just hate the hype. Everyone reads the Ultimate Spider-Man and think it's THE basic continuity. It's not. Its only purpose was to introduce younger readers to Spider-Man and give him a more modern tech edge in his origin and the origins of his enemies

You will notice that I never mentioned the Ultimate line at all. :roll:

And I still say the TMNT have a good chance at hanging with the crews of both Marvel and DC. I mean, come on...Most of them have skills similar in origin to the TMNT. MOST of them have at least a patial back ground in a martial art or two. and the the things the TMNT do, and have done are great feats in their own right. And look at Shredder and the Elite....man, They could bsmack quite a few villians and heros around. The TMNT are under rated. Seriously.

Yup. Probably has something to do with the fact that they don't hurl trucks around with their index fingers.

Like I said, the general assumption in discussions like these are whoever is "stronger" will win. Of course, just ignore the fact that Batman has proven that assumption wrong on a number of occassions...

Laterz.

[cqb101]

Sorry heretic, but I gotta disagree with you one one thing....I highly, highly doubt the TMNT have greater speed and agility than Spider-man...Equal? Maybe, but definatly not better.

[heretic888]

Sorry heretic, but I gotta disagree with you one one thing....I highly, highly doubt the TMNT have greater speed and agility than Spider-man...Equal? Maybe, but definatly not better.

*nods* Yeah, I probably exaggerated that one there.

I actually doubt that even all the TMNT have equal agility and quickness to Spidey.

Mike, at the very least, does though. Just look at the recent issue of Volume 4 when he exercised on the utrom "agility machine" --- dude was doin' flips and body turns in mid-air. Multiple times, too!

Heh. Laterz.

[cqb101]

Sorry heretic, but I gotta disagree with you one one thing....I highly, highly doubt the TMNT have greater speed and agility than Spider-man...Equal? Maybe, but definatly not better.

*nods* Yeah, I probably exaggerated that one there.

I actually doubt that even all the TMNT have equal agility and quickness to Spidey.

Mike, at the very least, does though. Just look at the recent issue of Volume 4 when he exercised on the utrom "agility machine" --- dude was doin' flips and body turns in mid-air. Multiple times, too!

Heh. Laterz.

Mik, might, but still....They don't have tha agility or speed of a spider.

[heretic888]

Mik, might, but still....They don't have tha agility or speed of a spider.

Heh. Well, neither does Spider-Man. Having a endoskeletal, bipedal body will do that to yah. :P

The point being the TMNT in general and Michelangelo in particular are amazingly agile, graceful, and skilled. The "agility repulsor device" in Volume 4 is just one example (in which Mike was doing ridiculous flips in mid-air, somehow able to dodge the levitating bars with amazing accuracy).

In issue 8 (I believe) of Volume 1, Mike had shot nine apples in a row off of Don's head with a Japanese longbow. In issue 5 of Volume 1, all four of them are seen walking (not crawling) across a tightrope. In the very same issue, all four were able to 'vanish' from plain sight within the blink of an eye (all hiding behind, under, or over various items such as lamps, chairs, couches, etc). Similar feats were performed in the first movie. They regularly leap across buildings in volume 1.

Also, to add insult to injury, the TMNT have beaten gods and demons before... :D

[cqb101]

Also, to add insult to injury, the TMNT have beaten gods and demons before...

So have amny characters in the marvel universe...Can you say Thanos? Apocalypse? He's not really a god, but close enough, right?

[heretic888]

So have amny characters in the marvel universe...Can you say Thanos? Apocalypse? He's not really a god, but close enough, right?

Sure. :D

[Spitfire]

Also, to add insult to injury, the TMNT have beaten gods and demons before...

So have amny characters in the marvel universe...Can you say Thanos? Apocalypse? He's not really a god, but close enough, right?
I like the Turtles but Galactus would stomp them into dust in seconds.

[heretic888]

I like the Turtles but Galactus would stomp them into dust in seconds.

More than likely, the TMNT wouldn't fight Galactus themselves --- and leave him for the likes of, oh say, the army.

I personally doubt the TMNT would jump in the streets, expose themselves to the public, and try and use ninja guerilla tactics on a planet-eater .... when the scores of superheros, national guards, and militaries could do just as well.

[Spitfire]

If they had to expose themselves to stop the planet from being eaten I think they would consider it

[Barkworm]

I'm amused to see how serious people are taking this discussion.

[cqb101]

If they had to expose themselves to stop the planet from being eaten I think they would consider it

But they wouldn't because they know they wouldn't be able to win....It would be a futile attempt so they'd stay outta it.

[KROW]

Looks like heretic knows everything...not. :D

Yeah, Juggernaut's got eye-holes. But his arms are also exposed and impervious to damage--even from Wolverine's claws. :evilgrin:

Spidey didn't have formal training, this is true. But fight after fight after fight with enemies who want to kill you kind of compensates for that. Don't you think?

No, Juggernaut is NOT stupid, you're thinking of Rhino. Juggernaut is somewhat uneducated but he is mostly angry. He hates his step-brother Prof. X because Prof. had powers while he didn't. Then he found that Cytorrak gem and became powerful. But his anger towards Xavier made him lose. Not his intelligence or lack thereof.

And I did say the TMNT weapons wouldn't break his armor because of common friggin' sense. Savvy?

And out-feraling means going wild and crazy like a wolf or bobcat. Raph gives in to his anger and is NOT a feral creature. Duh. Let me say this one more time so you understand. Raph would be the last one standing because his rage and adrenaline would make him last longer. Leo would be last to fall before Raph. Leo has the skill, yes, but not the instinct like Raph. The instinct to survive and keep going even when the battle turns ill. Leo runs away most of the time because of that fact. To fight again another day. Raph doesn't care. He'll continue the fight until he wins or dies...like Wolverine. Yeah?

Wolverine has taken on more than four at a time and won AND lost...let's agree to disagree on that one. And the fact that the TMNT have taken on more than four doesn't enter into the debate. We're talking TMNT versus one.

Spider-Man has also outsmarted the X-Men. I said SOME. Not all. And you're wrong about Spidey not getting used to the TMNT fighting technique. Do you even know how Spider-Man fights? He jumps around and learns the pattern of his enemy or enemies while quipping and thwipping. Then when he gets the right oppurtunity, he strikes. Right?

And no you didn't mention the Ultimate line but you DID refer to Spider-Man as a kid--which he is in the Ultimate line and NOT in regular Marvel continuity. Hello. :roll:

Thank you very much.

[heretic888]

If they had to expose themselves to stop the planet from being eaten I think they would consider it

Yes. They would be much more likely to stop a towering planet-eater than, say, a squadron of Tomahawks armed with small warheads. Yup. :roll:

No, they just wouldn't get involved.

But they wouldn't because they know they wouldn't be able to win....It would be a futile attempt so they'd stay outta it.

Yup.

Yeah, Juggernaut's got eye-holes. But his arms are also exposed and impervious to damage--even from Wolverine's claws.

Nope. Sorry. Shatterstar's sword did quite a number on Juggy --- helmet or no. And besides, the entire point of removing the helmet is to get as his head --- which, last time I checked, includes the eyes.

Spidey didn't have formal training, this is true. But fight after fight after fight with enemies who want to kill you kind of compensates for that. Don't you think?

No. Particularly when you are stronger, faster, and/or more powerful than the "enemies" in question.

No, Juggernaut is NOT stupid, you're thinking of Rhino. Juggernaut is somewhat uneducated but he is mostly angry. He hates his step-brother Prof. X because Prof. had powers while he didn't. Then he found that Cytorrak gem and became powerful. But his anger towards Xavier made him lose. Not his intelligence or lack thereof.

No, I am recalling Juggy quite clearly. And he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Besides, in the heat of battle, if you can't control your anger --- than your actions could indeed be construed as "stupid".

And I did say the TMNT weapons wouldn't break his armor because of common friggin' sense. Savvy?

You actually haven't employed a lot of "common friggin' sense" to this discussion. Particularly to someone that knows a thing or two about martial arts and military training. Savvy?? :roll:

As before, smashing someone's head in is not the only way to succeed in a confrontation. Fight smart, not strong.

And out-feraling means going wild and crazy like a wolf or bobcat. Raph gives in to his anger and is NOT a feral creature.

What you described is exactly the same thing. Unless you would like to provide the links to animal psychological sources that differentiate the two.

The "giving in to anger" is an inheritance from our evolutionary past --- and it is indeed very feral and "primitive" in orientation.

I suggest studying some psychological texts on the subject before making dubious claims.

Raph would be the last one standing because his rage and adrenaline would make him last longer. Leo would be last to fall before Raph. Leo has the skill, yes, but not the instinct like Raph. The instinct to survive and keep going even when the battle turns ill. Leo runs away most of the time because of that fact. To fight again another day. Raph doesn't care. He'll continue the fight until he wins or dies...like Wolverine. Yeah?


Nope, sorry.

I suggest you go into a martial arts dojo and use "all instinct". See how long you last.

This might be a shock, but "instinct" is a detriment against extremely skilled opponents. I should know, I had to deal with my "instinctual" impulses (as all martial artists do) when I began training. You eventually begin to control your impulses, and learn to move and fight in a more advanced manner.

Adrenaline only takes you so far. The most "pumped-up" guy in the world will stall fall if you slit his throat, or smash his temples in.

This, again, sounds like you making authoritative claims about subjects you actually have very little knowledge or experience of. You certainly won't hear me making authoritative claims about quantum physics or evolutionary biology/chemistry, which is akin to what you're doing now.

Wolverine has taken on more than four at a time and won AND lost...let's agree to disagree on that one.

What disagreement?? Wolverine has taken on more than four at a time and won. He has also taken on more than four at a time and lost. In addition, the has taken on only one at a time and won. And, he has taken on only one at a time and lost.

The "numbers" don't factor into it at all.

And the fact that the TMNT have taken on more than four doesn't enter into the debate. We're talking TMNT versus one.

That's funny... considering you were using the TMNT's supposed inability to take on any great numbers outside of thugs (an unfounded and false claim) to "prove" they couldn't defeat Wolverine.

Spider-Man has also outsmarted the X-Men. I said SOME. Not all.

Prove it. Cite references.

And you're wrong about Spidey not getting used to the TMNT fighting technique. Do you even know how Spider-Man fights? He jumps around and learns the pattern of his enemy or enemies while quipping and thwipping. Then when he gets the right oppurtunity, he strikes. Right?

How can one learn the pattern of that which is formless?? :wink:

Yes, I know how Spider-Man fights. Sounds to me that you don't know how ninjutsuka fight.

And no you didn't mention the Ultimate line but you DID refer to Spider-Man as a kid--which he is in the Ultimate line and NOT in regular Marvel continuity. Hello.

I see. So, Spidey was never a kid in the original comics, huh? Interesting. :roll:

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

And yes, I know we're talking about fictional characters and hypothetical situations here --- but, if you're going to make authoritative claims about hand-to-hand combat, animal psychology, and the like, you should really actually learn what you're talking about. I've talked with many experts in both fields, and they would all laugh at the comments you've made.

*chuckle* Laterz. :P

[cqb101]

Nope. Sorry. Shatterstar's sword did quite a number on Juggy --- helmet or no. And besides, the entire point of removing the helmet is to get as his head --- which, last time I checked, includes the eyes.

Nope, sorry. They don't remove the hel;met to attack the head, they remove it so that a psychic can get into his mind and stop him. Las I checked the TMNT aren't psychics.

[heretic888]

Nope, sorry. They don't remove the hel;met to attack the head, they remove it so that a psychic can get into his mind and stop him. Las I checked the TMNT aren't psychics.

Heh. Depends on your criteria for "psychic". :wink:

In any event, unless the TMNT were provided with some in-depth information detailing Juggernaut's weaknesses, my guess is that they would either:

1) Not get in a fight with him.
2) If forced into a fight, attempt to escape as quickly as possible.
3) If continually forced into a fight, would attempt to use stealth, hit-and-run scatter tactics, and acrobatics to cause him to "defeat himself" (i.e., having buildings fall on him, causing the ground below him to collapse, trap him in cement, etc.).

Laterz.

[Spitfire]

If they had to expose themselves to stop the planet from being eaten I think they would consider it

But they wouldn't because they know they wouldn't be able to win....It would be a futile attempt so they'd stay outta it.
The turtles would try and help even if they knew they would lose. That way they knew they atleast died trying to help the planet. Don would probly make a robot of some sort and try to fight with him toe to toe. The would lose for sure but they wouldnt just sit there and wait to die. If the turtles were quitters they wouldnt be alive to date

[heretic888]

The turtles would try and help even if they knew they would lose. That way they knew they atleast died trying to help the planet [...] The would lose for sure but they wouldnt just sit there and wait to die. If the turtles were quitters they wouldnt be alive to date

Somebody definately has a thing or two to learn regarding Ninpo philosophy. :wink:

That being said, "fighting" is not the only way of "helping". In any situation. Very basic ninja understanding.

Don would probly make a robot of some sort and try to fight with him toe to toe.

And with that, we are definately not referring to the TMNT of either Mirage or New Toon fame. :P

My guess is a more likely approach would be the TMNT ask the Utroms for help, and the Utroms use a transmat to plop Galactus on the opposite side of the galaxy.

Hey.... that'd actually make a pretty good story!! :D

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

i would post somthing but im afraid that heretic might make me look dumb...

noone the less somone posted earlier about how the turtles could beat hulk.. im almost positive hulk would rip them to shreds they couldnt even get in close enuff to make an attack and even if they did all hulk would have to do is smack them once in the head real hard or just applaud on your head and your toast there is no way turtles could beat him even with all there ninja skillz...

[Jester]

The TMNT could beat anyone.....depending on the circumstances....it's all a question of circumstances...with all the stealth in the world....u'd stillmhave a tough time sneaking up on spidey due to his spider sence....but with their speed the tmnt might be able to confuse it enought to strike. as it's been said before "beating' has multipule definitions...if u can nutrulize and escape, ala drop a building on juggy just to slow him down, u've "beaten" him. The TMNT are 15 year students of ninjetsu.....i think the four of them would give wolvie a run for his money....especially if he can't keep his head.it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath but i think if they stoped logan and took off the other three tmnt could take raph with them, even if they have to do it kicking and screaming...."come back here i'm not finished with u!!!!" and the whole out power thing is also seen in the tmnt universe itself....loo at the tmnt vs. hun.....at first they tried to overpower him...found it futile and then went for a more intelegent approch. the tmnt could beat juggy....i'm thinkin...dress the same....in the comics this would not be nessicary....and cause him to destroy the parking garrage they've lueared him into....i'm just saying....

[KROW]

heretic fell for my rambling. Good debate, man. You have passed the test. I salute you.

[heretic888]

i would post somthing but im afraid that heretic might make me look dumb...

Who me??

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! *sips the blood of virgin infants quietly* :evilgrin:

noone the less somone posted earlier about how the turtles could beat hulk.. im almost positive hulk would rip them to shreds they couldnt even get in close enuff to make an attack and even if they did all hulk would have to do is smack them once in the head real hard or just applaud on your head and your toast there is no way turtles could beat him even with all there ninja skillz...

Absolutes like that are very dangerous to make in a world as unpredictable and transitory as our own. Given a particular situation, the TMNT could easily beat the Hulk. Also given a particular situation, the Hulk could easily beat the TMNT.

Which is what it all really boils down to.... the situation. It also depends on which Hulk we're talking about, which TMNT we're talking about, etc.

The TMNT could beat anyone.....depending on the circumstances....it's all a question of circumstances...

Exactly. This is a point I've been trying to emphasize: given the proper circumstances, any opponent --- no matter how fearsome --- can be defeated. This is the enduring, prevailing truth of ninjutsu.

with all the stealth in the world....u'd stillmhave a tough time sneaking up on spidey due to his spider sence....but with their speed the tmnt might be able to confuse it enought to strike. as it's been said before "beating' has multipule definitions...if u can nutrulize and escape, ala drop a building on juggy just to slow him down, u've "beaten" him.

Very true.

it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath

No, its not. Raphael has retreated from battle several times before. He's not an idiot.

heretic fell for my rambling. Good debate, man. You have passed the test. I salute you.

Ummm...... ok. :| *salutes curiously*

Heh. Laterz.

[KROW]

No, really. Our bickering sparked some good conversation.
This is for you: \n/ :evilgrin: \n/

[heretic888]

Heh. Good times. :lol:

[Ryona]

it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath

Where the shell does this come from!?! Hello people! It's been proven over and over that Leonardo is willing to die for the greater good. This can be said for the rest of the guys as well.
Heck, you want proof? How 'bout the episode (I think it was called "rougue in the house") when Leo was fighting Karai one on one and gave her the oppertunity to strike down on him to test where her position stands between the TMNT and the Shredder. It was a VERY risky and bold act on his part. I would add other such situations from the series as well as situations from the Mirage comics, but you know what? I'm just really irritated and tired of people screwing up the facts just to make their favorite turtle seem so big and bad. Take it how you want to take it.

Btw, just for the record, they would all fight bravily to the end or slip into the shadows to escape. It all depends on the situation. And like it was pointed out by Heretic888, Raphael isn't stupid. His temper gets the best of him, but he isn't stupid! He knows when to back off and run.

[KROW]

Ryo, I was the one who said that about Leo. But I didn't believe it at all. It was just a debate I was having with heretic. I know Leo is one of the most honorable warriors. Don't get frazzled. :D

[Ryona]

:tanime:
Heh, I hope you didn't take it negativly... though I was being a bit harsh. Sorry. :embarass:

It's just that, it comes up a bit too often, and always by Raphael fanboys.

It's obvious that Leo and Raph is in constant compatition between each other on who is the more powerful warrior. Based on facts, we know that Leo is the better warrior, but some of the Raphael fanboys here are in deep denial and post up such insulting posts that make Leo look like a coward where as Raph is some kind of UBER warrior in compartion.
Don't get me wrong. Raphael is a powerful warrior, and if he had his anger and rage in check, chances are he would be at Leo's level or at least almost there.

[Ninja Turtl3 : RaphaeL]

alot of people in here stick up for leo no matter how hard somone may make a point and im very stubborn so to me raph will always own leo
(to me) i know leo would prolly win in a fight i just like the fact that raph is a badass and he dont take **** from noone so yea he is g g g god like.

and heretic you scare me ok lets see you argue this god would own everyone (saying there is a god) he would own the turtles :D cant argue that can you? :D :D wait could donny build a machine that makes the devil come from hell and confront god and make them destroy eachother? if not haha!!! unarguable!!!

[Spitfire]

The TMNT could beat anyone.....depending on the circumstances....it's all a question of circumstances...with all the stealth in the world....u'd stillmhave a tough time sneaking up on spidey due to his spider sence....but with their speed the tmnt might be able to confuse it enought to strike. as it's been said before "beating' has multipule definitions...if u can nutrulize and escape, ala drop a building on juggy just to slow him down, u've "beaten" him. The TMNT are 15 year students of ninjetsu.....i think the four of them would give wolvie a run for his money....especially if he can't keep his head.it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath but i think if they stoped logan and took off the other three tmnt could take raph with them, even if they have to do it kicking and screaming...."come back here i'm not finished with u!!!!" and the whole out power thing is also seen in the tmnt universe itself....loo at the tmnt vs. hun.....at first they tried to overpower him...found it futile and then went for a more intelegent approch. the tmnt could beat juggy....i'm thinkin...dress the same....in the comics this would not be nessicary....and cause him to destroy the parking garrage they've lueared him into....i'm just saying....
If the turtles got a symbiote suit Spiderman wouldnt be able to sense them. He cant sense Vanom or Carnage.
I would be intrested in seeing the turtles take on a Alien(You know like from Aliens) or Spawn. I would love to see Spawn fight the turtles or team up with

[Jester]

it is true that Leo would flee and Raph would fight to his dieing breath...
Hey I'm quoting myself....but just to clear up my point. Yes, I am a Raphie fan-boy but I also realize his faults. in the heat of battle where Leo's more level head would call for a stratigic retreat, Raphie may not stand down. I'm not calling Leo a coward, I just think that if Raph was inraged he may not walk from a fight even if Leo understands the odds are against them and orders the retreat.

[Lord Nightwalker]

The TMNT could beat anyone.....depending on the circumstances....it's all a question of circumstances...with all the stealth in the world....u'd stillmhave a tough time sneaking up on spidey due to his spider sence....but with their speed the tmnt might be able to confuse it enought to strike. as it's been said before "beating' has multipule definitions...if u can nutrulize and escape, ala drop a building on juggy just to slow him down, u've "beaten" him. The TMNT are 15 year students of ninjetsu.....i think the four of them would give wolvie a run for his money....especially if he can't keep his head.it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath but i think if they stoped logan and took off the other three tmnt could take raph with them, even if they have to do it kicking and screaming...."come back here i'm not finished with u!!!!" and the whole out power thing is also seen in the tmnt universe itself....loo at the tmnt vs. hun.....at first they tried to overpower him...found it futile and then went for a more intelegent approch. the tmnt could beat juggy....i'm thinkin...dress the same....in the comics this would not be nessicary....and cause him to destroy the parking garrage they've lueared him into....i'm just saying....
If the turtles got a symbiote suit Spiderman wouldnt be able to sense them. He cant sense Vanom or Carnage.
I would be intrested in seeing the turtles take on a Alien(You know like from Aliens) or Spawn. I would love to see Spawn fight the turtles or team up with

Aliens vrs. Predator vrs. Ninja Turtles. I would love to read that one!

[cqb101]

The TMNT could beat anyone.....depending on the circumstances....it's all a question of circumstances...with all the stealth in the world....u'd stillmhave a tough time sneaking up on spidey due to his spider sence....but with their speed the tmnt might be able to confuse it enought to strike. as it's been said before "beating' has multipule definitions...if u can nutrulize and escape, ala drop a building on juggy just to slow him down, u've "beaten" him. The TMNT are 15 year students of ninjetsu.....i think the four of them would give wolvie a run for his money....especially if he can't keep his head.it is true that leo would flee and raph would fight to his dieing breath but i think if they stoped logan and took off the other three tmnt could take raph with them, even if they have to do it kicking and screaming...."come back here i'm not finished with u!!!!" and the whole out power thing is also seen in the tmnt universe itself....loo at the tmnt vs. hun.....at first they tried to overpower him...found it futile and then went for a more intelegent approch. the tmnt could beat juggy....i'm thinkin...dress the same....in the comics this would not be nessicary....and cause him to destroy the parking garrage they've lueared him into....i'm just saying....
If the turtles got a symbiote suit Spiderman wouldnt be able to sense them. He cant sense Vanom or Carnage.
I would be intrested in seeing the turtles take on a Alien(You know like from Aliens) or Spawn. I would love to see Spawn fight the turtles or team up with

Aliens vrs. Predator vrs. Ninja Turtles. I would love to read that one!

I believe there's a fanfiction about that somewhere.....

[heretic888]

It's obvious that Leo and Raph is in constant compatition between each other on who is the more powerful warrior. Based on facts, we know that Leo is the better warrior, but some of the Raphael fanboys here are in deep denial and post up such insulting posts that make Leo look like a coward where as Raph is some kind of UBER warrior in compartion.
Don't get me wrong. Raphael is a powerful warrior, and if he had his anger and rage in check, chances are he would be at Leo's level or at least almost there.

Ok, a few things:

1) There is no "constant competition" between Leo and Raph as to who is the "more powerful warrior" in the Mirage books. The only alluded such competition is between Mike and Raph (because they sparred frequently very early in the series), and Mike seemed to be the more competent of the two. The main conflict between Raph and Leo is due to Raph's recklessness, not any percieved "combat power".

2) Most "powerful warrior"?? Don't know what you mean here --- Raphael has the highest strength and endurance of the four. Thus, he is the most "powerful" by conventional standards.

3) If Raph had his anger in check, he'd be an entirely different type of character --- with different methodologies and approaches to combat.

and heretic you scare me ok lets see you argue this god would own everyone (saying there is a god) he would own the turtles cant argue that can you?

There is no God. Of course, there are no Ninja Turtles, either. So, I guess its all fair. :evilgrin:

If the turtles got a symbiote suit Spiderman wouldnt be able to sense them.

There are also other ways to "mask" one's presence --- although, I'm not sure if the TMNT have ever done so in the books.

Hey I'm quoting myself....but just to clear up my point. Yes, I am a Raphie fan-boy but I also realize his faults. in the heat of battle where Leo's more level head would call for a stratigic retreat, Raphie may not stand down. I'm not calling Leo a coward, I just think that if Raph was inraged he may not walk from a fight even if Leo understands the odds are against them and orders the retreat.

Unfortunately for preconceptions such as this, Raph has retreated from battle. Several times. Again, he's not an idiot.

I believe there's a fanfiction about that somewhere.....

Yup. Its at Andrew Modeen's "Ninja Turtles Empire". It was a very good read, although based on the Image TMNT.

Laterz.

[Jester]

Hey I'm quoting myself....but just to clear up my point. Yes, I am a Raphie fan-boy but I also realize his faults. in the heat of battle where Leo's more level head would call for a stratigic retreat, Raphie may not stand down. I'm not calling Leo a coward, I just think that if Raph was inraged he may not walk from a fight even if Leo understands the odds are against them and orders the retreat.

Unfortunately for preconceptions such as this, Raph has retreated from battle. Several times. Again, he's not an idiot.

Ok Heretic.....i'm not saying that Raph never retreats....just that in some battles he may get to the point where he's so pissed and running on pure animal instinct....and won't quit. off subject....do u always have to be right??
:D

[heretic888]

Ok Heretic.....i'm not saying that Raph never retreats....just that in some battles he may get to the point where he's so pissed and running on pure animal instinct....and won't quit. off subject....do u always have to be right??

Why, yes. Yes, I do. :evilgrin: *laughs evilly*

Although, on a side note, something like that is mentioned in Palladium's TMNT RPG, too. They state that, when Raph is angered, there is a 75% chance that he will go into a berserker rage.

Unfortunately, they never actually describe what this "berserker rage" entails, only that it makes him "an awesome fighter, but also a little difficult to live with."

[Drtooth]

TMNT would kick the crap out of the Mighty Heroes..... that is if the Mighty heroes don't kick the crap out of themselves first!

[KROW]

Who the shell are the Mighty Heroes?

[cqb101]

Who the shell are the Mighty Heroes?

I was wondering the same thing.....The TMNT would beat the **** outta the Mystery Men, too.

[KROW]

Even The Shoveler?

[cqb101]

Even The Shoveler?

Oh, especiallly the shoveler. :lol:

[KROW]

Even The Bowler and the Blue Rajah?

[cqb101]

Even The Bowler and the Blue Rajah?

Yes! They can beat all of them.

[KROW]

What about Captain Amazing? I know he's dead but what if he wasn't?

[cqb101]

What about Captain Amazing? I know he's dead but what if he wasn't?

God damn it! :x They can beat all of them end of story! :x :P :lol:

[KROW]

Ooookay, oooookay. Enhance your calm, John Spartan.

[Midnight_Tanuki]

tmnt vs spider-man:
of course, the tmnt are groundbound but I mean, who says katanas cant cut through webbing. It would probably start with Shredder convincing Spider-man that the turtles are evil and whatever they say is a lie. eventually though, before the winner of the fight they find out they're on the same side and take on Shredder and Doc Ock who teamed up behind their backs.

tmnt vs Justice league:
The story starts off when the JL recieve a distress signal. They trace it to the Shredder, who tells them about the evil mutants turtles. JL definetely have an advantage. However tmnt do stand a chance. somewhere in there Mikey and/or Raph makes a crack about talking to fish directed at Aquaman. I can see Batman vs Donatello in a lab somewhere. Maybe the Batcave. Leonardo gets the snot beat out of him within an inch of his life by Superman, but gets some Kryptonite from Lex later on. the story ends with the tmnt and the jl finding out they're on the same side, and taking on the legion of doom, of which shredder is now a member.

TMNT vs Fantastic four:
Baxter Stockman invents a mind control device using research from Dr. Doom. He uses it to control the FF to destroy the turtles. Dr. Doom hears about this and the two join forces. The FF is now under their control. fight breaks out between ff and tmnt. tmnt break the mind control spell and the 8 (9) heroes take on baxter and doom.

Archie and Mirage TMNT vs The Next Mutation:
Archie and Mirage kill TNM mercilessly, everyone dances.

TMNT vs Action League Now!:
Um... chuckimation! Leo fights blindfolded because of The Flesh.

TMNT vs Strong Bad:
who cares about story, this would rule!

[KROW]

What about TMNT versus Danny Phantom?

[Jester]

The TMNT would beat the sh** outta the Mystery Men, too. the TMNT team up with the mystery men once..... http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/carrot/carrot01.htm ....see....it's a 4 parter.

[Drtooth]

Who the shell are the Mighty Heroes?

How thoughtless of me...

They are a 1966 saturday morning super hero parody team, brought on by the onslaught of Weird Super Hero cartoons late in the decade.

They were, Strongman, Ropeman, Cuckooman, Tornadoman, and Diaperman.

Every episode was essentially the same, as they heroes had to fight some villian (The Shrinker, the Monsterizer, the Toyman), and they would alwaysget into each other's way, causing them to accidentally tie themselves in Ropeman, for example, giving the villain the advantage to put them into a trap. By the second half of the cartoon, they worked symbiotically, breaking out of the trap and saving the city.

for more information, check out... http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/1548/mh.html

[KROW]

That was horrible. Utrom Shredder is a better idea than those friggin' people. Hell, even VENUS is a better idea than the Mighty Heroes! I'm sorry I asked. Kee-rap.

[Albrecht]

Crash Bandicoot would kick the turtles asses. :P

[heretic888]

Uhhh.... okay.

[Albrecht]

What do you dudes think about the Teen titans vs. TMNT.

[heretic888]

What do you dudes think about the Teen titans vs. TMNT.


We did already bring that up, actually. :lol:

And, I believe the general consensus is the TMNT would beat them down in about 5 minutes. :evilgrin:

[blue_angel99]

Sailor Moon and the Sailor Scouts vs. TMNT :P

[Leonardo_the_sword_master]

i have a read a bunch of super hero comics and the turltes COULD, beat the fantastic four, i mean Donny could hack into FF's computers and cause Havoc and then they would move in and beat the crap outta em.
and super man sucks like its stupid that nothing can harm that B.

[heretic888]

Sailor Moon and the Sailor Scouts vs. TMNT

Oy vey. :roll:

[blue_angel99]

Sailor Moon and the Sailor Scouts vs. TMNT

Oy vey. :roll:

The Sailor Scouts would have a major advantage. The turtles would not take them seriously and they'd be majorly distracted by their cute school uniforms :trazz:

[Leonardo_the_sword_master]

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The Sailor Scouts would have a major advantage. The turtles would not take them seriously and they'd be majorly distracted by their cute school uniforms :trazz:

thast not true the turtles would probely laugh and then kick there butts

[Jester]

I can imagine Mikey's reaction to the Sailor Scouts!!!
"Whoooo....look....at.....those....girls...."
"Mikey, your tounge is hitting the ground."
"Shut up, Raph!!!"

[cqb101]

i have a read a bunch of super hero comics and the turltes COULD, beat the fantastic four, i mean Donny could hack into FF's computers and cause Havoc and then they would move in and beat the crap outta em.
and super man sucks like its stupid that nothing can harm that B.

Yes...If Don could get to the computers. The FF would probably get to them before that happened.

[KROW]

Wait a minute. We already covered this. Let's not open this can of worms. No one wants to relive this, do they?

[cqb101]

Wait a minute. We already covered this. Let's not open this can of worms. No one wants to relive this, do they?

It's too late man, somebody already rbought it up. Nothing can be done to stop it.

[Leonardo_the_sword_master]

NO NO NO, dony could HACK into there computers from the Lair and bang hit em hard and kick there butts.

[KROW]

Okay. Look, man. We talked about this already. I argued that Donnie could cause some damage and what-not. But nobody believed me. Please stop before heretic reads this and we get a long friggin' explanation--AGAIN--on the tactics of this would-be battle, okay?

[cqb101]

NO NO NO, dony could HACK into there computers from the Lair and bang hit em hard and kick there butts.

Nope. DO you have any idea how much security and protection they probably have? The FF will find out who's doingot before it's too late and go to the lair.

[heretic888]

Sorry guys, but Reed Richards is smarter than Donatello Hamato.

Reed also has the benefit of having an actual formal education. All of Don's techno-smarts is self-taught; impressive to be sure, but no substitute for the real thing. :wink:

Now, of course, I do think the TMNT could find a way to defeat the FF --- but it won't be through hacking into their computer system or trying to "out-science" them. Reed's got 'em beat there.

[That Matt Guy]

hmm....how about TMNT vs Bizarro TMNT?

[TMNT-Leonardo]

To be honest, I think the TMNT can defeat the Power Rangers. To be fair though, I'm positive that the TMNT would be OWNED by the Power Rangers' mobile suits (mechas).

Sorry to bring this old post up, but it's not a mobile suit. It's just a mecha or zord. Cause in the japanese version, Sentai, the zords can fight on there own without a ranger inside controling them. Plus they had more of a personality than just being a robot in japan. So it all depends. The japanese versions of MMPR, Zyuranger yeah, they might win with Burai's or the Dragon Rangers power. In japan, the green ranger represents the ranger of Power. Against the american, no. But still, this VS thing is kind of strange. I'd much rather see them team up then fight each other. Cause in super heroe battle, there are rarely any REAL winners. They usually end up teaming up to fight a major villian.

In Batman VS Superman, the cartoon movie, they never REALLY had a big fight. And there wasn't any real winners. It was just like 1 or 2 scenes in the entire movie where they really fought. Then they teamed up to beat Joker and Lex Luthour (I think that's how it's spelled). Anyways, back on topic.

[KROW]

hmm....how about TMNT vs Bizarro TMNT?

Now that's a good one. Would Slash be involved?

[cqb101]

[cqb101]

[cqb101]

In Batman VS Superman, the cartoon movie, they never REALLY had a big fight. And there wasn't any real winners. It was just like 1 or 2 scenes in the entire movie where they really fought. Then they teamed up to beat Joker and Lex Luthour (I think that's how it's spelled).

That doesn't hold very much relevance because it's only one form. In comics, heroes fight all of the time, because of misunderstandings. In comics, Batman and SUperman have fought numerous times and almost every time, Batman beat Supes. Hence why he'd be able to beat the TMNT.