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Originally Posted by sdp
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As far as the question I'd say that Turtles Forever/2012 crossovers despite doing less research would be more "canon" than a tie-in video game even if they showed more care towards continuity so it can't retcon something in a higher tier of canon.
I think the new comics will likely also sort of ignore the red sky seasons while still taking place after them. They won't go into details but perhaps a line of dialog of how they rebuilt the technodrome or something despite the comic resembling more the TMNT of those early seasons. But who knows I also think the new comics will have them using smartphones and other modern technology.
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Not really a fan of appeal to authority here. I don't think we'll ever really get the "true" continuation of the show, all things considered. Crossovers, homage heavy video games and comic book minis are probably about as close to a season 11 as we'll get and they'll probably keep on contradicting each other or the show itself. The idea of a unified "canon" continuation of the FW show seems like it will never happen, certainly not as another animated series.
I'm not so sure it's on the agenda to make a season 11 because:
- Even though Paramount owns the characters, the original comics and the 2003 show they don't own the FW cartoon. Making another season they can't distribute the first 10 of seems counter-productive.
- While Paramount are fine with using the FW turtles, it mainly seems to be for the purpose of luring in older fans, not out of a desire to continue it's continuity.
- The fact that there are like three reboots and counting makes it seem like just making another reboot is a better idea.
- If Paramount ever does end up obtaining the rights to the show it will probably have been like 30-40 years (or more) after it ended, at which point anyone still interested will be outnumbered by fans who grew up on the various reboots.
So trying to determine which attempts to continue the show after 1996 count as "canon" may be fruitless.
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Originally Posted by sdp
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This is all true but it's up to the fans to full in the gaps and make sense of it all, that's how it's always been and I'm fine with that. Any continuation whether comic/game/crossover will be the "classic" turtles and not what they became during the run of the show.
I think those are smaller details fans can fill in the gaps, "Channel 6 got rebuilt and April got her old job back" & depending of if we ever see Dregg again what really happened to him can be filled in as well or just pretend he did die.
This is likely better for another thread but there has to be a way to make it work. Sure it's weird that the Dimension X from 1987 is the same one as 2012, since neutrinos are different but I guess there could be different species of neutrinos and other rock soliders with those same names. Krang being a Kraang is kinda cool honestly since it means he is indeed an Utrom.
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Not really a fan of "fans filling in the blanks" either. If any attempts to "continue" the show are just shallow marketing ploys that don't really pay much attention to the details of the show, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to try and figure out where they all fit in. In this case it's probably just easier to say the show ended in 1996 and because no attempts to make a continuation can be considered serious, there really isn't a canon FW story after 1996.
I know that for many franchises, canon is effectively just a fandom creation with the authors themselves rarely caring, but if we are to take the concept seriously, then there are effectively two criteria to stick to in order for it to hold any meaning:
- Does the author/company say it counts?
- How consistent is it with the rest of the series?
So if we were to ask Paramount about the first one, they'd probably say "We don't give a f
uck, we only do this s
hit because 40-somethings are more likely to stay on for our reboots if we pretend to care about that show". And Fred Wolf would probably say "No, because I can only make money on the episodes I actually produced, please buy them on Amazon". As for the second criteria, I mean you can always jump through mental hoops to make it work but we all know they don't so...
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Originally Posted by CyberCubed
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Shredder's Revenge is basically a sequel to the Konami game universe which in itself was its own separate universe from the original carton.
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No. This game clearly went out of it's way to seem like a continuation of the cartoon, even to the point of using characters like Shreeka and Tiffany who aren't really associated with anything other than the FW cartoon. Not to mention the explicit use of the terrible FW design for Slash instead of the more appealing Archie/toy design Konami used (and please don't try to argue otherwise, the FW design of Slash is utter garbage).
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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB
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Yeah, this is stupid. Did anyone ever look for things in TMNT 1-4, Hyperstone Heist and Tournament Fighters that contradict the cartoon? We're just starting now, with Shredder's Revenge?
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Well, because as stated in the opening post, the game contains a clear attempt to weave it's plot into the continuity of the show. And as I've stated, the game is going a bit overboard with trying to emulate the Fred Wolf cartoon.
I don't know if this is easy to forget or something, but the Konami games weren't exactly this slavishly faithful to the cartoon. Yeah, they used the Fred Wolf cartoon as the core template because that's what nearly all kiddy TMNT products did at the time. But they also weren't afraid of pulling from the Archie series, the live-action movies or Mirage. That's the obvious difference between this game and those games.
If this game didn't contain an explanation for how the Technodrome was brought back after it's destruction in the show and/or had a boss fight with Hun or someone else who wasn't ever part of the FW show, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
That said, I'd probably only be slightly surprised if the DLC/sequels to this game features characters like Hun or Savanti Romero. Like I've already pointed out, Paramount are only really interested in the FW show because it's good for marketing, they might just see this game a launchpad for a successful video game series in it's own right rather a serious attempt to create a zombie version of the FW era.