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LeotheLateBloomer 07-13-2022 11:49 AM

Shoot, they'd have to give us more levels and extra content for them to charge us $40.:lol:

AquaParade 07-13-2022 12:10 PM

Yeah, that's a huge success, no way around it.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 07-13-2022 01:34 PM

I want two sequels:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Vacation in Europe

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Red Sky

CyberCubed 07-13-2022 03:25 PM

From the sounds of things the developers seem content with this being their complete work on TMNT. It sounds like they're probably going to move onto another franchise for their next game, a lot of people are hoping for X-men based on the 90's cartoon since a new season is coming next year.

I honestly don't think we'll get a full sequel to this.

oldmanwinters 07-13-2022 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan (Post 1937158)
I want two sequels:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Vacation in Europe

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Red Sky

The Idea of a European tour intrigues me more than I would have expected.

MikeandRaph87 07-13-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters (Post 1937179)
The Idea of a European tour intrigues me more than I would have expected.

Actually both do. I am surprised that I am drawn to a Red Sky look concept. We kind of got that with the handheld Dimension X Rumble when Beserko had Bebop, Rocksteady, and Foot Soldiers backing him up.

As for European Vacation, the background of the levels has a lot to work with beyond the typical sewers and Technodrome levels.

CyberCubed 07-13-2022 05:07 PM

I doubt they'll do a sequel. The developers basically said they exhausted their ideas for this and made the game they wanted. I fully expect them to move onto a different franchise.

AquaParade 07-13-2022 05:10 PM

Viacom should look at getting a AAA game done. Interest is proven.

I Crave Pizza No More 07-13-2022 09:02 PM

I have to say, my brother and I are (I think) halfway through the game (we're at episode 12), and we both find it underwhelming. The combat gets fairly repetitive, there's a lot of really terrible music, the game has been fairly glitchy, and frankly it feels like they've thrown in as many characters as possible just so they can say they did. Aside from the recurring bits about Krang's body, there's no story or coherence to where you're going, who the enemies are, etc.

It's a decent beat em up, but it's sort of dull. Just doesn't do a lot for me. Obviously there's still more game ahead for us to play, and so things might pick up, but it feels like we've more or less seen what the game has to offer. It's not bad, but it doesn't strike me as a timeless classic or anything.

Am I the outlier, or do others also feel that it's mostly a so-so offering (even though there's clearly a lot of effort at fan service here)?

LeotheLateBloomer 07-14-2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1937185)
I doubt they'll do a sequel. The developers basically said they exhausted their ideas for this and made the game they wanted. I fully expect them to move onto a different franchise.

I would like to see them work on a successor to the Simpson Arcade game.

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1937186)
Viacom should look at getting a AAA game done. Interest is proven.

This!

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Originally Posted by I Crave Pizza No More (Post 1937194)
I have to say, my brother and I are (I think) halfway through the game (we're at episode 12), and we both find it underwhelming. The combat gets fairly repetitive, there's a lot of really terrible music, the game has been fairly glitchy, and frankly it feels like they've thrown in as many characters as possible just so they can say they did. Aside from the recurring bits about Krang's body, there's no story or coherence to where you're going, who the enemies are, etc.

It's a decent beat em up, but it's sort of dull. Just doesn't do a lot for me. Obviously there's still more game ahead for us to play, and so things might pick up, but it feels like we've more or less seen what the game has to offer. It's not bad, but it doesn't strike me as a timeless classic or anything.

Am I the outlier, or do others also feel that it's mostly a so-so offering (even though there's clearly a lot of effort at fan service here)?

I don't think you're an outlier. I think your opinion is honest and well thought out.

Anarchistguy 07-14-2022 07:55 AM

Is it me or is this game's audio volume terrible with headphones? You can barely hear anything even maxed out.

AquaParade 07-14-2022 10:18 AM

Also keep in mind that this was on Game Pass, which means it sacrificed a huge chunk of sales for a fee from Microsoft. So the number of copies sold don't even tell the whole success story.

Some people underestimated this release.

TMNT is firing on almost all cylinders the last year or two. It's wild.
At this rate, the kiddies can have the cartoons and movies (rip). I'll take the comics, videogames, and figures.

RaphaelinSTL 07-14-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1937235)
Also keep in mind that this was on Game Pass, which means it sacrificed a huge chunk of sales for a fee from Microsoft. So the number of copies sold don't even tell the whole success story.

Some people underestimated this release.

TMNT is firing on almost all cylinders the last year or two. It's wild.
At this rate, the kiddies can have the cartoons and movies (rip). I'll take the comics, videogames, and figures.

Totally agree. People that normally don't come up to me about TMNT are asking me about the game and what's been up with all the collector stuff recently. It's been awesome, and people DEFINITELY underestimated this game for sure.

While I would love a sequel, I can see them doing a small batch of DLC next year and then it's over.

AquaParade 07-14-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL (Post 1937240)
Totally agree. People that normally don't come up to me about TMNT are asking me about the game and what's been up with all the collector stuff recently. It's been awesome, and people DEFINITELY underestimated this game for sure.

While I would love a sequel, I can see them doing a small batch of DLC next year and then it's over.

Same. Even though it's anecdotal, it blew my mind to hear my friends, at our recent 4th of July party, say they have also been playing the new TMNT game on PS5. None of my friends ever cared about TMNT, it's always just been my thing. We have other things in common, over that.

It was just crazy to hear and was my own anecdotal evidence that this game reached a broad audience.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1930959)
And again, the only people who are going to even play this game are TMNT fans from the 90s and TMNT fans from the 90s that liked the TMNT beat'em ups. You aren't going to see a lot of kids playing a 16 bit-looking throwback thing.

No.

Sumac 07-14-2022 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937142)
Interestingly, the NES game is said to have sold over 4 million copies. Not bad for a game considered the "black sheep" in comparison to the sequels.

The idea that OG NES game is bad is a modern invention.
It is and was decent game for its time, just overshadowed by later installments.

Icebot 07-14-2022 11:47 AM

I’ve been playing this game on online multiplayer and having lots of fun with it!

I Crave Pizza No More 07-14-2022 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1937251)
The idea that OG NES game is bad is a modern invention.
It is and was decent game for its time, just overshadowed by later installments.

Oh, I don't think that's a modern invention. When it came out, it was not at all whatever people wanted or expected. The arcade game very much was.

I do like that elements of that first game, but at the time I didn't know anyone who loved it. Anecdotal, but my guess is that most people bought the game with visions of the cartoon in mind and got something quite different.

CyberCubed 07-14-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by I Crave Pizza No More (Post 1937194)
I have to say, my brother and I are (I think) halfway through the game (we're at episode 12), and we both find it underwhelming. The combat gets fairly repetitive, there's a lot of really terrible music, the game has been fairly glitchy, and frankly it feels like they've thrown in as many characters as possible just so they can say they did. Aside from the recurring bits about Krang's body, there's no story or coherence to where you're going, who the enemies are, etc.

It's a decent beat em up, but it's sort of dull. Just doesn't do a lot for me. Obviously there's still more game ahead for us to play, and so things might pick up, but it feels like we've more or less seen what the game has to offer. It's not bad, but it doesn't strike me as a timeless classic or anything.

What do you find about the combat repetitive (in terms of the beat 'em up genre?) It has more movesets for the characters than any of the classic ones, and the levels go on the right amount length that they neither feel too short or drag on. Most people also praise the music in the game.

AquaParade 07-14-2022 03:14 PM

Honestly, both versions have merit. For me, the vastly different interpretations mostly serve to compliment each other.

I love seeing something interpreted through different eyes. It keeps things fresh and exciting for me.
Of course, there's a balance to maintain in keeping true to the spirit, but the balancing act is part of the fun.

Going from Mirage to Fred Wolf to the 1990 film is the good kind of whiplash, in my mind.

That said, the general imbalance does bum me out. I'd like to see the spirit of the comics represented better in other mediums. I do have a preference for that side of TMNT and I do think it's the best. I don't need a 1:1 adaption, and I can even get on with IDW"s resurrection plot, as long as it feels right, which is, of course, nebulous and open to interpretation.

TLDR: I prefer Mirage-flavored TMNT, but the wildly different interpretations are what keep things interesting.

CyberCubed 07-14-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1937251)
The idea that OG NES game is bad is a modern invention.
It is and was decent game for its time, just overshadowed by later installments.

The problem back then was the lack of a save system and some of the levels have cheap enemy placement (or like most NES games, you walk slightly to the left of a screen and an enemy pops out of nowhere taking out your lives).

Thankfully with the upcoming collection this will be fixed. The game will have save/suspend points, as well as a rewind feature to undo some cheap hits/deaths from enemies. So TMNT 1 will probably have a new appreciation from fans when the collection comes out. It really is a good game. I beat it on NES many times.

TigerClaw 07-14-2022 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1937280)
The problem back then was the lack of a save system and some of the levels have cheap enemy placement (or like most NES games, you walk slightly to the left of a screen and an enemy pops out of nowhere taking out your lives).

Thankfully with the upcoming collection this will be fixed. The game will have save/suspend points, as well as a rewind feature to undo some cheap hits/deaths from enemies. So TMNT 1 will probably have a new appreciation from fans when the collection comes out. It really is a good game. I beat it on NES many times.

Having those save states are gonna help passing the Dam level from the first game.

Dpooly84 07-14-2022 05:50 PM

Well I just bit the bullet, I ordered the radical edition for switch. I'll probably still pick up a physical copy on Playstation though. Anyone else getting the radical edition?

Leo656 07-14-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw (Post 1937294)
Having those save states are gonna help passing the Dam level from the first game.

Why do people insist the Dam level is hard? It's annoying, but it isn't hard. There's way, way worse sh*t in that game. Like, pretty much Everything After The Dam.

lonewarrior20 07-14-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1937301)
Why do people insist the Dam level is hard? It's annoying, but it isn't hard. There's way, way worse sh*t in that game. Like, pretty much Everything After The Dam.

for me it was the low ceiling/sewer gap jumps.

Leo656 07-14-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lonewarrior20 (Post 1937302)
for me it was the low ceiling/sewer gap jumps.

Yeah I lost more Turtles to that bullsh*t than I did to the enemies.

I'm gonna abuse the hell out of that Rewind feature on the collection. Gonna finally "beat" TMNT1 just to say I did and then never touch it again.

Andrew NDB 07-14-2022 06:13 PM

The first TMNT game is just hard in general and rather unforgiving. I didn't beat it until I was maybe 18, and had it on ROM/emulator where I could save/restore as need be to stay alive.

IMJ 07-14-2022 06:47 PM

By the time I get my copy from LRG, nobody is going to be playing this game anymore... :lol:

Sumac 07-14-2022 07:05 PM

The hardest thing in Dam level is the underwater section, since its different from anything else.

After that, its just a matter of finding right "dungeons" to progress through the levels 3 and 4.

MikeandRaph87 07-14-2022 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937305)
The first TMNT game is just hard in general and rather unforgiving. I didn't beat it until I was maybe 18, and had it on ROM/emulator where I could save/restore as need be to stay alive.

That is the only way I could beat it. I believe that I was 20 between college semesters using it. The other generation one and two games were beatable at the age we were without loop holes and felt like conquering a mountain but no need to use a get around.

The villains were much lamer too from the random enemies to the lack of villains from the cartoon and other medias.

lonewarrior20 07-14-2022 07:13 PM

gotta admit, it had a good soundtrack.

Leo656 07-14-2022 07:14 PM

The seeds of a genuine "good" game are in there with the first NES game. Fix the broken jumping, get rid of the "low ceiling" bullsh*t with the spike traps and dial down the overall difficulty of the entire thing by like 10%, that'd probably do it. The first level is "genuinely good" but then it takes a hard left turn into Total Bullsh*t almost immediately after.

Everybody I knew with an NES had it, but in Real Life I've never met anyone who's claimed to beat it, only on the internet. Every conversation I've ever had about it face-to-face was like, "Hey, remember the first NES Turtles game?" "Ah, man, F*CK that f*cking game." :lol:

Admittedly, most of them never played far past the underwater level so I guess that's why that part has its infamous reputation. There's worse stuff after but most people never saw it, and that level is pretty much the first sign that the game as a whole is actually more frustrating than fun.

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Originally Posted by lonewarrior20 (Post 1937314)
gotta admit, it had a good soundtrack.

Ah the soundtrack is great, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I think anyone who thinks it's actually a "good game" are predominantly remembering the music and the very first level, and nothing else. Because if you only play the game for ten minutes and have no idea what's coming next beyond that point, then yeah, you might think it's actually good.

Andrew NDB 07-14-2022 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1937301)
Why do people insist the Dam level is hard? It's annoying, but it isn't hard. There's way, way worse sh*t in that game. Like, pretty much Everything After The Dam.

I believe I'm with you on this. The dam level is hard when you first encounter it but once you get the rhythm down, it's pretty breezy. And then it's a lot of getting killed by things flying at you and falling off rooftops.

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 07:40 AM

Sumac, do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Andrew NDB 07-15-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937347)
Do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

Anarchistguy 07-15-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937363)
Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

It means even less now since they don't own the TMNT anymore :(

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937363)
Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

Well some toddlers grow up instead of staying in soiled diapers.

Anarchistguy 07-15-2022 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937371)
Well some toddlers grow up instead of staying in soiled diapers.

They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

Sumac 07-15-2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937347)
Do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Not really, I just find it fun to remind some sour grapes, who boast holier-than-thou attitude, because, they love "dark and mature" Mirage comic books, that they are niche in the niche.

I am all for different versions of Turtles co-existing. It works for Batman, why not for TMNT?
Like I'd love to see some sort of Mirage adaptation, faithful sequel or re-imagining for the FW series, maybe even some sort of re-imagining of the Next Mutation in the animated series format. And good movies with CGI or animatronic Turtles closer to 1990 movie.

World is BEEG enough to house all versions of Turtles!

I just find it hilarious that some people think they are better than others, because, they love one particular version of TMNT above all else.
That is all.

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy (Post 1937375)
They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

Nah, most people don't really think like that. They just don't care about other versions. Maybe there is a reason for that, hm?
Maybe other versions fail at something, which managed to captivate people about FW version? Just a thought.

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy (Post 1937375)
They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

That's what I meant by "staying in soiled diapers."

I Crave Pizza No More 07-15-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1937277)
What do you find about the combat repetitive (in terms of the beat 'em up genre?) It has more movesets for the characters than any of the classic ones, and the levels go on the right amount length that they neither feel too short or drag on. Most people also praise the music in the game.

For the most part, we've been able to mash one or two buttons to clear every board. We're both aware that there are more moves but aside from a handful of enemies haven't had to use them much. I think it's also because the game in general is a little longer than the old takes-30-minutes-to-beat stuff, and so the repetition has become more noticeable.

I've seen a lot of praise for the soundtrack, and I've even gone back to try to listen to some of it outside of the game and...nope, don't get it. Some of it is good, some is tolerable, and some is so bad that it's a distraction.

Again, I don't think it's a bad game. I just think it's sort of so-so, and is probably getting a lot of the attention it is because it reminds people of that first arcade game, which is an all-time classic, and it lays the nostalgia/fan-service on heavy.

But if I'm putting aside my love for TMNT, of the four beat 'em ups I've played in recent years--this one, Double Dragon Neon, Streets of Rage 4, and River City Girls--I don't think this one comes remotely close to either Double Dragon or River City.

In all, I'm glad we've finally got a game like this. It does try to remain true to the originals, and that's fun to see, but I think a lot of people are getting swept away in the idea of it more than by the game itself. But that's just my two cents.


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