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GoldMutant 06-12-2018 11:04 AM

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
 
So, this was confirmed via E3.

I won't say much other than... wow. It's gonna be great now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-xSc0MX1eE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5hCIhXHtE

Spoiler:
Essentially, the whole roster and stages of the past are coming back together. Otherwise the only new fighters so far are the Inklings as speculated and the awaited debut of Ridley. Daisy also now joins as an Echo Fighter, the name for clones such as Luciana and Dark Pit.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-12-2018 12:06 PM

Spoiler:
Every fighter and stahe from the history of Smash is returning.


My reaction:


TMNT_Guy 06-12-2018 02:30 PM

I'm really happy Daisy made it in even if she's an "Echo Fighter". As a longtime fan of the character it was disappointing how she seemingly kept getting overshadowed by Rosalina with 3D World and Smash 4. Maybe they can go full circle and release Super Mario 3D World with Daisy as a new character.

Glad Bomberman made it in...even if he's just an Assist Trophy

FredWolfLeonardo 06-12-2018 02:34 PM

This game alone has me wanting to buy a Ninentdo Switch now.

I was thinking of getting of a Wii U for Smash Bros. on that system, but hearing this, we all know its too good to pass up.

Andrew NDB 06-12-2018 03:37 PM

I see some people upset that it's just a port of the Wii U version with more characters.

Looks awesome to me. I'll buy it.

sdp 06-12-2018 09:16 PM

It's different enough to be debated whether it's a port or not. I definitely think it doesn't have enough different but it's a lot more than I expected from a port as well so I'm not complaining. What I find funny is they're marketing "Every character EVA!!!" but I think only 4 were missing from Smash 4 on the Wii U to make a complete "every character ever" roster, so not as much work as they're trying to justify not having many new characters because of that. I'm guessing we'll get 2 more new characters and they'll be revealed later in two directs to keep the hype going.

If it really is "Ultimate" I'd want EVERY stage in there as well which they clearly didn't mention and implied it wouldn't be every stage based on their descriptions of stages and that's a shame. But at least I hope we get as many stages as we can get, at least I'm happy that my favorite stage from the N64 game is back (Saffron City, even if sans Pokemon).

Bomberman as an assist trophy was such a tease, but I"m hoping next game he'll make the roster.

Zero Suit Samus has been censored, her boobs are smaller and she doesn't have her perfect run two piece outfit.

I'm glad the Zelda characters are now all based on different games, that's refreshing.

Ninjinister 06-12-2018 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1764527)
What I find funny is they're marketing "Every character EVA!!!" but I think only 4 were missing from Smash 4 on the Wii U to make a complete "every character ever" roster, so not as much work as they're trying to justify not having many new characters because of that.

It's probably because they are treating this as a new entry, and every one since Melee has had cuts. Bringing everybody back is something I'd wager few expected, especially all of the various guests.

Redeemer 06-13-2018 07:59 AM

damn it I am going to have to buy a Nintendo switch now :lol:

Prowler 06-13-2018 01:45 PM

I always get hyped for Smash games. This one looks promising too, even though it's a bit of a port more than a completely new game. Then again, Nintendo seems to be porting pretty much every big Wii U title to the Switch, probably in order to compensate for Wii U's not so great sales.

Why don't they port Super Mario Maker too? In the 3DS version you can only share your levels by spotpass, which is a shame.

CyberCubed 06-13-2018 03:16 PM

It took 16+ years but Ridley finally made it into Smash as a playable character. I guess it's proof that demand for a character can make anything happen, especially after Sakurai denied him for so many games.

Ridley's actually been in every Smash in some form (besides trophies):

- Smash 64 = You see his SNES sprite flying in the background in the Metroid stage

- Melee = You see Samus fight him in the opening

- Brawl = Ridley and Meta Ridley are boss fights in the game

- Smash U = Ridley is a boss stage character


Now finally after 4 games, Ridley is playable. A dream come true after 16 years to finally have Samus' biggest enemy playable.

Andrew NDB 06-13-2018 03:38 PM

Whether this is a port or not... it's Smash Bros. I don't think the gameplay dynamics have radically changed much since the original N64 game. Do we really need a brand new engine than the Wii U one?

Prowler 06-13-2018 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1764651)
Whether this is a port or not... it's Smash Bros. I don't think the gameplay dynamics have radically changed much since the original N64 game. Do we really need a brand new engine than the Wii U one?

I don't want a new engine or anything. But I'd like them to get rid of clone movesets once and for all. It's fine for Dr. Mario to be a Mario clone or for Toon Link o be a Link clone... but Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon clone?! The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1764642)
I guess it's proof that demand for a character can make anything happen, especially after Sakurai denied him for so many games.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...1iXn0XqFFx37DH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764652)
I don't want a new engine or anything. But I'd like them to get rid of clone movesets once and for all. It's fine for Dr. Mario to be a Mario clone or for Toon Link o be a Link clone... but Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon clone?! The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

Even though its the same moveset as Capt Falcon, Ganondorf still feels very different to me for being much heavier, slower etc. Neverthless he is getting a sword so you can expect some moveset changes.

The only ones that bothered me are Lucina and Dark Pit, who are not even aesthetically much different from the characters theyre cloned from, let alone different in terms of moveset. I'm glad they're becoming echo characters in this new game rather than having their own slot. Echo Characters was also a clever way to bring Daisy in.

Ninjinister 06-13-2018 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764652)
The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

Bowser already has his own moveset

Prowler 06-13-2018 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjinister (Post 1764694)
Bowser already has his own moveset

Pfft Ganondorf is much cooler than Bowser. Bowser is more of a cartoonish villain, while Ganondorf is a better representation of Evil itself :trazz:

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764695)
Pfft Ganondorf is much cooler than Bowser. Bowser is more of a cartoonish villain, while Ganondorf is a better representation of Evil itself :trazz:

Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

CyberCubed 06-13-2018 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo (Post 1764701)
Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

Well the villains in Pokemon are the evil human teams. Team Rocket/Magma/Aqua/Galactic/Plasma/Flare, etc.

But I guess Giovanni is the most recognizeable "evil" villain of them all since he's been around for 20+ years since the very beginning.

Prowler 06-13-2018 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo (Post 1764701)
Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

It's fitting since Mario is more lighthearted while Zelda tends to be a bit more serious. Secondary villains in Mario such as goombas and koopa troopas are also pretty cartoonish and kind of cute; while some Zelda villains are quite creepy(Redeads...).

Villains in Pokémon? I'm guessing Geovanni, the leader of Team Rocket? Villains in Pokémon are usually human.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 07:52 PM

Thats the problem with Pokemon, all its main constant villains are humans, and no one wants to play as human Pokemon characters in Smash :lol:

Only Pokemon I can think of that is a constant villain is Meowth, he would make a pretty cool character in Smash, but is nowhere in the same league as Ganondorf and Bowser.

Prowler 06-13-2018 07:56 PM

What I wonder is why the hell did they make Jigglypuff of all Pokémon a playable character in Smash games. There's a lot cooler Pokémon out there, come on. But oh well.

I wonder if Fox will be top tier once again. I love Fox especially in Melee.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 08:02 PM

Bring back Melee Fox.

They need to start first off by using the design of Star Fox 64, so much cooler than what his design has been since Brawl. Atleast give it as an alternate costume lol.

Redeemer 06-13-2018 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764709)
What I wonder is why the hell did they make Jigglypuff of all Pokémon a playable character in Smash games. There's a lot cooler Pokémon out there, come on. But oh well.

I wonder if Fox will be top tier once again. I love Fox especially in Melee.

I hate that OP
Spoiler:
B*tch
:lol:
Everyone wants their character to be a top tier character.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 08:08 PM

I agree, Jigglypuff was OP in Melee.

I felt good when she became low-tier trash in Brawl and Smash 4.

Prowler 06-13-2018 08:14 PM

Jiggly puff was strong in Melee but not as top tier as Fox, Falco and Sheik were.

Fox was my main in Melee, definitely. In Smash 4 it varies. I don't feel like checking out, but I'm gonna bet my 5 most played characters are Little Mac, Charizard, Fox, Ryu and Sonic. I recall using Zero Suit Samus and Bayonetta rather frequently as well.

Anyway, Smash is one of those rare fighting games where I'm fine playing against the CPU. Online Smash usually is a bit slow and the rare times Iv'e played it I always did with items on.

sdp 06-13-2018 08:16 PM

Random rant about stages for those who don't care can skip: :lol:

I wonder if all stages could be included in, there's something like 140 stages in all games + new stages from Ultimate here would mean it'd have 160 stages. That may sound like too much and Sakurai mentioned "we've included many stages" or something along those lines which implies not all of them but hear me out.

Hardcore fans have been counting the stages shown so far from screenshots and the trailers and they've found 85 different stages so far, that's a huge list and it's very probable we haven't seen more. Why stop at 130 if adding 10 more would mean a complete stage list for Ultimate (then again, Smash 4 was only like 5 characters away from having Everyone in the roster and it didn't)

Ultimate is re-using most of its assets from Smash 4, so having all the Smash 4 stages is basically no problem. In the same way, Smash 4 was based off of Brawl which was based off of Melee. So re-using any of those stages from the Gamecube/Wii eras also shouldn't be that hard.

Smash 64 would be an exception, but apparently all Smash 64 stages have been found, this is great since 64 stages only a select few have made it back and we've seen classics like Saffron City finally back. 64 stages IMO are the best since they included the most stage hazards and a reason speculated as to why some 64 stages never made a comeback and it was always the same ones.

The others that would be difficult would be the 3DS exclusive stages but apparently all those are in there as well


Maybe you can argue that some stages are too similar, and that's a legit reason not to include EVERYTHING. But we've already seen stages that are extremely similar and yet both versions appear to be included like Pokemon Stadium 1, Pokemon Stadium 2 and both Animal Crossing stages, so clearly being near identical isn't a problem.

So all in all I'm hoping that it has ALL of the stages. Apparently we're also seeing some Pokeball Pokemon and Assist Trophy characters from previous games that were not in Smash 4, so maybe it'll also include all of those as well? :D It'd better

CyberCubed 06-13-2018 08:41 PM

All the roster needs for classic pre-2000 characters is Dixie and K. Rool and it'll be close to perfect.

For newer franchises Captain Toad (who technically counts as a new character), ARMS, and Xenoblade 2 are likely. Simon Belmont from Castlevania is also the heavily rumored third party character this game, and with Snake returning and Bomberman being an Assist trophy, it would make a lot of sense if Konami got a new rep.

FredWolfLeonardo 06-13-2018 08:45 PM

Bewear was confirmed as a PokeBall pokemon, In one of the character trailers (can't remember which one though)

Was gonna happen, but great news anyway. Wonder what other new Pokemon will appear in Pokeballs.

sdp 06-13-2018 09:11 PM

Samus' boobs got downgraded and her alt outfit of her 100% finished sports like outfit is also gone. Snake's butt was also downgraded.

As far as possible newcomers, I'll make a realistic one, I think we'll get 2 more original chracters and 2 more "echo/clone" characters.

Ms Pacman (clone)
Shadow the Hedgehog (clone)
Ken (clone)
All those are easily done.


Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1764717)
All the roster needs for classic pre-2000 characters is Dixie and K. Rool and it'll be close to perfect.

For newer franchises Captain Toad (who technically counts as a new character), ARMS, and Xenoblade 2 are likely. Simon Belmont from Castlevania is also the heavily rumored third party character this game, and with Snake returning and Bomberman being an Assist trophy, it would make a lot of sense if Konami got a new rep.

K.Rool has been retconned, his last appearance was DK64, DK has been in more solo adventures without K.Rool than with him. Him not returning in either Country Returns game sealed his fate. I see no point in Dixie, I gues since she can be an "echo/clone" of Diddy but whatever.

Captain Toad I think might be difficult because Peach already uses Toad a lot, but if Captain Toad gets a spin-off every gen then yeah he'll eventually appear but not on Ultimate. Arms could go either way, I mean the game didn't do THAT well and Sakurai doesn't usually add newer stuff until it's proven.

I think Simon Belmont is only wanted by fans to re-create the Captain N team, I know that's why I want him in. I mean if Snake is in it then Simon deserves to as well. Bomberman being an assist instead of a character is a downer.

PApagreg 06-13-2018 09:28 PM

Fingers crossed for Travis Touchdown

Prowler 06-13-2018 11:03 PM

I'd be fine with the current known roster already.

Sumac 06-14-2018 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1764720)
I think Simon Belmont is only wanted by fans to re-create the Captain N team, I know that's why I want him in. I mean if Snake is in it then Simon deserves to as well. Bomberman being an assist instead of a character is a downer.

I think most people want Simon Belmont not because of Captain N, which is barely remembered, but because, they like Castlevania series, which at some point was one of the biggest franchises.

Ninjinister 06-14-2018 02:23 PM

I know Simon is the first and the best known but maybe they should have Trevor for dat Netflix marketing instead.

Andrew NDB 06-14-2018 02:29 PM

Plus I'd be worried they'd make Simon look like he does in all the revisionist FAKE Simon Belmont artwork in the past 10 years. Like this:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/phot...84-750-714.jpg

Simon does NOT have red hair and does NOT look like a woman.

Prowler 06-14-2018 02:30 PM

...they turned Simon Belmont into a bishonen androgenous looking thing?! ugh

Andrew NDB 06-14-2018 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764848)
...they turned Simon Belmont into a bishonen androgenous looking thing?! ugh

And look at him in CastleVania: Judgement:

https://www.tokyoshop.es/data/produc.../FIG0393-D.jpg

Prowler 06-14-2018 02:36 PM

He almost looks like Bruno Gehard.

Were they trying to appeal to the female audience or something?

Andrew NDB 06-14-2018 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowler (Post 1764850)
He almost looks like Bruno Gehard.

Were they trying to appeal to the female audience or something?

I think they were trying to recreate the appeal of Alucard. In the worst possible way.

CyberCubed 06-14-2018 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1764720)
K.Rool has been retconned, his last appearance was DK64, DK has been in more solo adventures without K.Rool than with him. Him not returning in either Country Returns game sealed his fate. I see no point in Dixie, I gues since she can be an "echo/clone" of Diddy but whatever.

No, Dixie is one of the last Nintendo all-stars from the 90's and was a main character in her own game and is now back in Tropical Freeze. DK only having two reps is absurd and Dixie has been wanted for a long time. Donkey Kong has needed new reps for years especially with it being among Nintendo's best selling franchise.

King K. Rool is now the most requested villain now that Ridley got in, and he was heavily requested since Smash U. King K. Rool was in King of Swing and Jungle Climber and it doesn't matter that he's not in the recent games, he's still in 80% of the mainline DK games.

Quote:

Captain Toad I think might be difficult because Peach already uses Toad a lot, but if Captain Toad gets a spin-off every gen then yeah he'll eventually appear but not on Ultimate. Arms could go either way, I mean the game didn't do THAT well and Sakurai doesn't usually add newer stuff until it's proven.
It's not "tricky," Captain Toad has his own game and an entire moveset to pull out of. Captain Toad debuted in Mario Galaxy in 2007 and then appeared in every game since, and got his own spinoff.

Likewise with Daisy in, and Waluigi still an Assist trophy...there really are no other Mario reps to choose from. Pauline is also shown singing on the stage of the new Mario Odyssey level so she won't be playable either.

Captain Toad is likely, I doubt Daisy will be the only new Mario rep for the game

Prowler 06-14-2018 02:53 PM

I'd like to see a 3D Donkey Kong game again. DK 64 didn't work that well, but I'm willing to give them another shot. Not to mention this time Rare wouldn't be involved, so I'm sure it'd be different.

sdp 06-14-2018 02:53 PM

To be fair Simon Belmont has never had a consistent look, he has changed in every game since release and had different Japanese and American artwork as well. It was always anime inspired in the Japanese versions and only Americanized into beefy men that would appeal to kids there. Each castlevania game also seems to have its own art style which doesn't help things.


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