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Leo656 07-14-2022 08:14 PM

The seeds of a genuine "good" game are in there with the first NES game. Fix the broken jumping, get rid of the "low ceiling" bullsh*t with the spike traps and dial down the overall difficulty of the entire thing by like 10%, that'd probably do it. The first level is "genuinely good" but then it takes a hard left turn into Total Bullsh*t almost immediately after.

Everybody I knew with an NES had it, but in Real Life I've never met anyone who's claimed to beat it, only on the internet. Every conversation I've ever had about it face-to-face was like, "Hey, remember the first NES Turtles game?" "Ah, man, F*CK that f*cking game." :lol:

Admittedly, most of them never played far past the underwater level so I guess that's why that part has its infamous reputation. There's worse stuff after but most people never saw it, and that level is pretty much the first sign that the game as a whole is actually more frustrating than fun.

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Originally Posted by lonewarrior20 (Post 1937314)
gotta admit, it had a good soundtrack.

Ah the soundtrack is great, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I think anyone who thinks it's actually a "good game" are predominantly remembering the music and the very first level, and nothing else. Because if you only play the game for ten minutes and have no idea what's coming next beyond that point, then yeah, you might think it's actually good.

Andrew NDB 07-14-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1937301)
Why do people insist the Dam level is hard? It's annoying, but it isn't hard. There's way, way worse sh*t in that game. Like, pretty much Everything After The Dam.

I believe I'm with you on this. The dam level is hard when you first encounter it but once you get the rhythm down, it's pretty breezy. And then it's a lot of getting killed by things flying at you and falling off rooftops.

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 08:40 AM

Sumac, do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Andrew NDB 07-15-2022 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937347)
Do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

Anarchistguy 07-15-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937363)
Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

It means even less now since they don't own the TMNT anymore :(

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937363)
Doesn't matter. More toddlers have been made aware of TMNT because of FW since the 80s, therefor Mirage doesn't mean anything.

Well some toddlers grow up instead of staying in soiled diapers.

Anarchistguy 07-15-2022 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937371)
Well some toddlers grow up instead of staying in soiled diapers.

They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

Sumac 07-15-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937347)
Do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

Not really, I just find it fun to remind some sour grapes, who boast holier-than-thou attitude, because, they love "dark and mature" Mirage comic books, that they are niche in the niche.

I am all for different versions of Turtles co-existing. It works for Batman, why not for TMNT?
Like I'd love to see some sort of Mirage adaptation, faithful sequel or re-imagining for the FW series, maybe even some sort of re-imagining of the Next Mutation in the animated series format. And good movies with CGI or animatronic Turtles closer to 1990 movie.

World is BEEG enough to house all versions of Turtles!

I just find it hilarious that some people think they are better than others, because, they love one particular version of TMNT above all else.
That is all.

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy (Post 1937375)
They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

Nah, most people don't really think like that. They just don't care about other versions. Maybe there is a reason for that, hm?
Maybe other versions fail at something, which managed to captivate people about FW version? Just a thought.

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy (Post 1937375)
They do grow up...but that doesn't stop them from thinking that FW is the one true version.

That's what I meant by "staying in soiled diapers."

I Crave Pizza No More 07-15-2022 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1937277)
What do you find about the combat repetitive (in terms of the beat 'em up genre?) It has more movesets for the characters than any of the classic ones, and the levels go on the right amount length that they neither feel too short or drag on. Most people also praise the music in the game.

For the most part, we've been able to mash one or two buttons to clear every board. We're both aware that there are more moves but aside from a handful of enemies haven't had to use them much. I think it's also because the game in general is a little longer than the old takes-30-minutes-to-beat stuff, and so the repetition has become more noticeable.

I've seen a lot of praise for the soundtrack, and I've even gone back to try to listen to some of it outside of the game and...nope, don't get it. Some of it is good, some is tolerable, and some is so bad that it's a distraction.

Again, I don't think it's a bad game. I just think it's sort of so-so, and is probably getting a lot of the attention it is because it reminds people of that first arcade game, which is an all-time classic, and it lays the nostalgia/fan-service on heavy.

But if I'm putting aside my love for TMNT, of the four beat 'em ups I've played in recent years--this one, Double Dragon Neon, Streets of Rage 4, and River City Girls--I don't think this one comes remotely close to either Double Dragon or River City.

In all, I'm glad we've finally got a game like this. It does try to remain true to the originals, and that's fun to see, but I think a lot of people are getting swept away in the idea of it more than by the game itself. But that's just my two cents.

Leo656 07-15-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937347)
Do you have some beef against Mirage? Reminder that there's a bit of Mirage in every version of TMNT even by a pinch. Without it's existence, you wouldn't have FW, at all.

He'll deny it of course, but if you pay attention to what a lot of Sumac posts about anything, he has a very strong "Consensus is always correct and all that matters is whether a thing becomes popular or makes money" opinion. He's a bit selective in how he applies it, and sometimes will contradict this notion, but more often than not he'll invoke some variation of, "Well X made a lot more money than Y, therefore X is clearly superior and Y is clearly trash" when trying to make his point. Movies, games, whatever, most of his arguments rest on the idea that Popular Opinion somehow makes something "good" or "better", despite that being Proven Nonsense.

I mean, considering that "popular opinion" made Justin Bieber a celebrity and gave the Transformers movie franchise several Billion dollars, I think we can safely say that just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it's also "good".

And he'll probably try and argue that he doesn't actually feel that way, that he doesn't actually subscribe to the "Consensus is Correct and Popular Opinion Rules" mindset. Heh... okay. It's still his most oft-repeated point whenever these topics come up, so... yeah. "More people like _____ than ______, so Nyah Nyah." And then he calls the person who likes the "lesser" thing some kind of name, because that's how grown-ups talk. And then someone will respond to him in the same fashion, and then he calls them more names and accuses them of having a "meltdown" despite the fact that they're only lobbing back the exact same sh*t grenades that he flung at them in the first place, but harder, because that's what you do.

It's all very tiresome and definitely wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else outside of reddit where people are expected to be dicks. I mean the He-Man board has a lot of issues all its own, but at the very least they have a zero-tolerance policy on That Kinda Sh*t, so that's nice.

LeotheLateBloomer 07-15-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1937409)
He'll deny it of course, but if you pay attention to what a lot of Sumac posts about anything, he has a very strong "Consensus is always correct and all that matters is whether a thing becomes popular or makes money" opinion. He's a bit selective in how he applies it, and sometimes will contradict this notion, but more often than not he'll invoke some variation of, "Well X made a lot more money than Y, therefore X is clearly superior and Y is clearly trash" when trying to make his point. Movies, games, whatever, most of his arguments rest on the idea that Popular Opinion somehow makes something "good" or "better", despite that being Proven Nonsense.

I mean, considering that "popular opinion" made Justin Bieber a celebrity and gave the Transformers movie franchise several Billion dollars, I think we can safely say that just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it's also "good".

And he'll probably try and argue that he doesn't actually feel that way, that he doesn't actually subscribe to the "Consensus is Correct and Popular Opinion Rules" mindset. Heh... okay. It's still his most oft-repeated point whenever these topics come up, so... yeah. "More people like _____ than ______, so Nyah Nyah." And then he calls the person who likes the "lesser" thing some kind of name, because that's how grown-ups talk. And then someone will respond to him in the same fashion, and then he calls them more names and accuses them of having a "meltdown" despite the fact that they're only lobbing back the exact same sh*t grenades that he flung at them in the first place, but harder, because that's what you do.

It's all very tiresome and definitely wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else outside of reddit where people are expected to be dicks. I mean the He-Man board has a lot of issues all its own, but at the very least they have a zero-tolerance policy on That Kinda Sh*t, so that's nice.

This has always confused me about his posts because I read many of them where he says FW is the most popular version and even the best version yet another post where he says he likes 2003 more than FW. Like what?!

Turo602 07-15-2022 04:15 PM

I love the FW series, but it does get annoying when the casual fans act like that's all it ever was or should be despite also loving the 1990 film which was nothing like the cartoon.

It happens with every franchise and then they try to cater to that casual group and end up transforming the identity of a property into something it never was. I can definitely understand why that would make some people bitter and while purists can be terrible, so are the people on the opposite spectrum who don't care about the roots of a franchise but still feel the need to criticize people for their preferences.

This is why I tend to disregard the casual audience since they act like their opinions are relevant or insightful despite only loving one specific version of a property that isn't even considered traditional or the norm, yet they'll voice their opinions to a fanbase like they know what they're talking about which I've seen time and time again with the MCU and Disney's Star Wars. That's why I've always kept my mouth shut to other fans when I realize I'm not quite as invested in something as they are when they voice their displeasure with something I quite enjoyed.

I grew up on the films, the video games, and some of the original cartoon, but 2k3 still resonated with me and became my favorite iteration. Because I was so immersed into this franchise, I would dive into the Mirage stuff online just to get a better understanding of the whole picture and see exactly how this thing started and what elements have been borrowed across all these versions. I find that stuff fascinating because I like TMNT, not just any specific film, show, or comic and then hide behind that one thing like it's the singular most important and correct way to experience the TMNT.

Leo656 07-15-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937411)
This has always confused me about his posts because I read many of them where he says FW is the most popular version and even the best version yet another post where he says he likes 2003 more than FW. Like what?!

I don't think he's the least bit concerned with consistency. I think he just leans into whatever gets a rise out of people in the moment. He's essentially admitted as much.

Which is trolling. Which is supposed to be ban-worthy. Alas.....

Sumac 07-15-2022 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer (Post 1937411)
This has always confused me about his posts because I read many of them where he says FW is the most popular version and even the best version yet another post where he says he likes 2003 more than FW. Like what?!

Where's contradiction?

Mate, I am not retarded to think that something I personally like IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD. And vice-versa - that something that's considered to be THE BEST thing in the world should be / is my FAVORITE.

Which makes me different from the likes of Leo and some others: I freely admit that 2k3 is much better and stronger on ALL accounts than FW (except for animation style, but that's a matter of taste), while FW is still more popular and will stay that way.

So no contradiction, unless you think, everyone should mindlessly cheering their favorite thing as being THE BEST at everything.
Now, this is a stance, I don't understand.

Another example, if you will: I love Batman Returns more than any other Batman movie. Is that the best Batman movie? Of course not. Is that movie true to Batman mythos? Not really. Still I love it for what it is, not for what it is not, while freely admitting that Nolan's version or even Reeves's Batman are much better and more popular Batman movies and probably better movies in some other aspects as well.
Sorry (not sorry), if this concept is too big brain for some people here.

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Originally Posted by Leo656 (Post 1937414)
I don't think he's the least bit concerned with consistency. I think he just leans into whatever gets a rise out of people in the moment. He's essentially admitted as much.

Which is trolling. Which is supposed to be ban-worthy. Alas.....

You need to update your ability to read, than, matey.
Also, if you too think, that FAVORITE and THE BEST thing are the same - you certainly need to mature up. That's not how it works.

Andrew NDB 07-15-2022 08:25 PM

I think the disconnect here is that you are using pure popularity as a benchmark for what is better or best as if this is an objective truth. It is not, in any way, whether we are talking about comics or movies or sports teams or anything else.

In fact, let's go with sports teams for a moment. By your logic, a team could really suck at winning any games, but their stadium is always more full than any of the other teams' stadiums and they sell more jerseys than them so that must mean they are the best team.

Sumac 07-15-2022 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937447)
I think the disconnect here is that you are using pure popularity as a benchmark for what is better or best as if this is an objective truth. It is not, in any way, whether we are talking about comics or movies or sports teams or anything else.

In fact, let's go with sports teams for a moment. By your logic, a team could really suck at winning any games, but their stadium is always more full than any of the other teams' stadiums and they sell more jerseys than them so that must mean they are the best team.

Once again, I make a clear divide between a popularity and a quality.

However, at the same time, it would've been stupid of me to not to admit that, if people LIKE something, than it MUST have some attractive points.

In case of TMNT, in the 80s there were plenty of franchises, but people LOVED TMNT above all else, even though, most likely there were other series, better written and animated.

Likewise, FW was 40 years ago, but it is still THE TMNT series, for a lot of people, which is remembered above all others. Even though there were 3 different series already. Which means it has something, which still to this day resonates with people. Quite simple, ain't it?

If it was pure nostalgia I don't think Shredder's Revenge sold as good as it did (for the game of its class anyway).
And being honest, I don't know what it is, but I am OK with that, even though I'd love to see 2k3 receive the same amount of praise and popularity like FW.

Tuxedo Moroboshi 07-15-2022 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by I Crave Pizza No More (Post 1937407)
I've seen a lot of praise for the soundtrack, and I've even gone back to try to listen to some of it outside of the game and...nope, don't get it. Some of it is good, some is tolerable, and some is so bad that it's a distraction.

A surprising opinion, to be sure. I can see where you're coming from with all your other points, but your opinion about the soundtrack does baffle me a bit. But I guess musical taste is one of those things that varies wildly between people, too. For me, I can only say that the only track I don't like is just the opening theme song remix, though that's only ever heard once in the entire game and can even be skipped.

Andrew NDB 07-16-2022 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1937454)
Once again, I make a clear divide between a popularity and a quality..

I'm not so sure. I mean, you DO, but then in the same "breath" you equate popularity with "this means this thing is the best incarnation, because of course." This is where the wires are getting crossed.

You know I dig you. I just know that you and I should only talk about anything BUT Turtles, I think. lol...

Sumac 07-16-2022 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1937475)
I'm not so sure. I mean, you DO, but then in the same "breath" you equate popularity with "this means this thing is the best incarnation, because of course." This is where the wires are getting crossed.

You know I dig you. I just know that you and I should only talk about anything BUT Turtles, I think. lol...

Well, I apologize, than if it wasn't really clear.

I do believe that when thing is popular, whether I like it or not, it is deserved for one reason or the other. Even if those reasons sometimes can be quite obscure to me.

As for the second point, you are normal person. Even we disagree about something, I do respect your determination and everything, which you did and keep doing for the TMNT fandom. That won't change.

Jester 07-16-2022 08:43 PM

Thread cleaned up.

Let me explain my thought process when it comes to bans: I tend to not unless, like Cubed mentioned before the cleanup, it's straight porn or as seems to be the main case, duplicate accounts. If someone is salty, mean, straightforward, brutally honest, pick your terms I tend to let them alone save for verbal warnings...especially if, though I may disagree with them at time, they offer reasonable, thought out posts. Some of the "combatants" in this last back and forth are perfect examples. I debated deleting a lot more posts, but surprisingly good points were made and they were just edited.

So everyone keep it civil, point me to anyone saying they troll on purpose and I'll look into it further.

And now back to our regularly scheduled thread already in progress.

Jester 07-16-2022 09:26 PM

It's alive...

Coola Yagami 07-17-2022 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 1937629)
Thread cleaned up.

Let me explain my thought process when it comes to bans: I tend to not unless, like Cubed mentioned before the cleanup, it's straight porn

Crap... I missed out on the porn? Was any of it of April or just more turtlecest stuff?

MattOnWheels 07-17-2022 02:33 PM

So glad the game is doing well. A million copies this early for a game some here acted like was doomed to be flavor of the month and little else isn't too shabby. :)

Powder 07-17-2022 03:03 PM

So... about the game.

Can't wait to see what they drum up as far as DLC is concerned. They said they'd consider it, & with sales like that, it's almost a given at this point. Hope it's more than just cosmetics. I've really enjoyed playing this, with both my partner & friends, & turtle folks the world over. I do wish it were longer, in this age where some titles deliver hundreds of hours of content, but it was pretty extensive as it is, for the genre, I guess.

CyberCubed 07-17-2022 04:25 PM

I feel like the DLC won't be much more than a Boss rush mode, some new playable characters (they already have the designs for the Punk Frogs, maybe add Mona Lisa, Mondo Gecko and whoever), and that's it.

I'd love a few more stages and bosses, but I don't think that's likely. I probably won't buy the DLC if it's just some extra playable characters, as I'm not that interested in playing as the Punk Frogs or other third-tier characters.

TigerClaw 07-17-2022 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder (Post 1937684)
So... about the game.

Can't wait to see what they drum up as far as DLC is concerned. They said they'd consider it, & with sales like that, it's almost a given at this point. Hope it's more than just cosmetics. I've really enjoyed playing this, with both my partner & friends, & turtle folks the world over. I do wish it were longer, in this age where some titles deliver hundreds of hours of content, but it was pretty extensive as it is, for the genre, I guess.

I could see DLC being more playable levels, and new playable characters at some point.

Andrew NDB 07-17-2022 07:10 PM

PvP mode. Like Smash Bros.-style.

lonewarrior20 07-17-2022 07:35 PM

be kina cool if they could have a few havoc mutant levels, red sky mutation power ups, and lord dregg invading.

Powder 07-17-2022 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1937691)
I feel like the DLC won't be much more than a Boss rush mode, some new playable characters (they already have the designs for the Punk Frogs, maybe add Mona Lisa, Mondo Gecko and whoever), and that's it.

I'd love a few more stages and bosses, but I don't think that's likely. I probably won't buy the DLC if it's just some extra playable characters, as I'm not that interested in playing as the Punk Frogs or other third-tier characters.

From what they've said so far, yeah, you're probably right. I'm just hoping that the enormous amount of sales will influence them to deliver additional playable content. I wouldn't buy characters either, we got our fill of a diverse roster from Rescue Palooza, which, frankly, this game owes a lot to.

It would be cool to see them use other elements of the OT for additional stages, though. Using Red Sky as a source of inspiration would be killer, but I know it doesn't have the same normie appeal as say incorporating Playmates toy characters or more memorable cartoon villains like Big Louie.

lonewarrior20 07-17-2022 08:19 PM

they could also add on to stages after they've been beat so in the middle you can go up, down, left, or right to face new enemy's and bosses.

Sumac 07-17-2022 11:43 PM

Maximum hope: short DLC campaign, some new characters and Boss Rush mode.
Realistic mode: some new characters and Boss Rush mode.
Minimum hope: Boss Rush mode.

RaphaelinSTL 07-18-2022 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac (Post 1937757)
Maximum hope: short DLC campaign, some new characters and Boss Rush mode.
Realistic mode: some new characters and Boss Rush mode.
Minimum hope: Boss Rush mode.

Yeah, I'd be down with that too!

I'd love for them to EVENTUALLY do a sequel, but I'm sure they put all their eggs in one basket to make the best game possible.

My head was going crazy with ideas and like a possible sequel idea could have stages that are LOCKED to whichever character is playing first so that each play through is different for story mode, but arcade mode could have different levels in different orders to switch the game play up and keep it ever changing.

AquaParade 07-18-2022 10:01 AM

Don’t you guys sort of feel like the mechanics have been maxed out? As for new levels, I fear it might start to wear pretty thin.

I could definitely get behind a new mode though. I think that could spice things up. Survival or time-attack, maybe.

The sales are so good that I hope they consider expanding with a sequel. But only if they can build upon what they’ve made. There’s no reason not to innovate further, imo. I don’t think a block or parry button would necessarily be a bad thing, despite the arcade-feel of the game. Wider levels, more interactive environments, perspective shifts. There is a lot of potential.

But I’m really hoping for a AAA game now. I feel like these smaller releases are testing the waters for that, as is often the case with remasters, such as the Cowabunga Collection.

I could even go for something like the upcoming “Marvel’s Midnight Suns”. I’m sort of ready to move on from the action/adventure, fighting, and beat-em-up genres for tmnt. How about a strategy-action game or an rpg in the vein of Final Fantasy.

RaphaelinSTL 07-18-2022 10:24 AM

Good points. And it's hard to say, I just wonder if they may think given the IP it's too much of a risk to stray away from anything outside of the "norm" that the casuals come to expect.

oldmanwinters 07-18-2022 02:38 PM

I just let the fire burn this thread for the past few days, so I don't know if anybody pointed this out yet, but the Radical Edition box art has been posted on LimitedRunGames' page. Quite lovely, but not lovely enough to make me go all in for $200!
https://twitter.com/teamlattie/statu...DtloJww659BiXA

https://limitedrungames.com/collecti...edition-switch
https://limitedrungames.com/collecti...al-edition-ps4
https://limitedrungames.com/collecti...ition-xbox-one
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Pre-Orders close July 24.

The Deadman 07-18-2022 03:09 PM

Can they release the strategy guide seperately? That would be a cool addition for those who already collect stuff like that.

Antoniocafe 07-18-2022 03:22 PM

I purchased this, and I've been kinda disappointed in it. Maybe with playing it more, I'll enjoy it more.

AquaParade 07-18-2022 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Antoniocafe (Post 1937820)
I purchased this, and I've been kinda disappointed in it. Maybe with playing it more, I'll enjoy it more.

I'm guessing you didn't play the old games, because I think it's a big step up from those.
Feel free to correct me.

Not saying your opinion isn't valid. I can understand easily why someone would be disappointed after all the hype it's getting.

Maybe try to play a mode that limits your lives, like arcade mode, if you are finding yourself desensitized to the gameplay.

oldmanwinters 07-18-2022 05:16 PM

Tim Lattie on Twitch stream talking about the cover art:
https://www.twitch.tv/teamlattie


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