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Originally Posted by Galactus
The earlier post on this thread that I was responding to was about you casting negetive aspersions on the intentions of the 4Kids creative staff of why they did homages to the Fred Wolf show. I pointed out there's actual evidence that suggests that far from meaning to be snide or to make their version cooler in comparison - they did it because they knew fans of the old show liked it.
Talking about Turtles Forever specificaly I think the effort that went into animating the Fred Wolf characters and world is a rather telling of their intentions. When the special was first announced people expected only minor design differences to differentiate the two but 4Kids went all out. They even took obscure things that only a die hard would remember like the other punks from the first season or the Technodrome's cockpit and the phone booth elevator and recreated them in exact detail right down to the trash in the dumpsters. Are you really saying they went to all that trouble simply to trash them?
It went far beyond the animation though. A lot of the fun as a fan of the Fred Wolf show should have been stuff like...hearing Donatello say "let's stay in touch" and thinking; hey that's from 'Return of The Shredder" or hearing Raph say "we resemble that remark" and thinking that was a callback to 'Raphael Knocks 'em Dead" or seeing Bebop use the Scent Analyser from 'Beware The Lotus' or Donatello using a wrench as a hammer like he did 'Leonardo Lightens Up'
They really must have scoured through the old show for stuff like that which again makes it unlikely they would go to that much effort if they meant to make them look bad. It also seems to put a dent in the argument they were inaccurately represented. For years I've heard detractors say "OT Leo wouldn't say this" or "OT Don wouldn't do that" about stuff that was ripped directly from the Fred Wolf show.
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Why are you still focused on the artwork references? (The cockpit, the scent analyzer, the wrench as a hammer, the phone booth elevator).
Yes, they may have searched through the episodes, but again
like I said before the OT Turtles took almost every threat by a villain seriously but in Turtles Forever the OT Turtles were depicted as having Vernon-level cowardice and Bebop-level incompetence.
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Originally Posted by Galactus
Kind of like how brave Leonardo is in 'Snakes Alive'  |
So Leonardo is supposed to be a Gary-Stu? He can't have one paralyzing fear like normal people, like 2K3 Raph's fear of insects?
The point is the OT Turtles were depicted as having Vernon-level cowardice and Bebop-level incompetence and if that was accurate to the original series, which Gen Y kid would have wanted to emulate/aspire to be that (a cowardly buffoon) during the OT's heyday?
You don't have to agree with me or my opinion, and that's fine with me... but when you don't want to discuss
in depth about the points I'm bringing up (OT Turtles cowardice and incompetence in "Turtles Forever") and still referring to the artwork detail/references that I didn't bring up, then it's just not worth my time and it's inappropriate for me to continue this discussion in
this thread. I'm sorry and I apologize, but it just seems like we're on two different wavelengths...
