[Leo656]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

I vividly recall as a kid discussing it with my brothers that Pamela couldn’t physically do some of the things she supposedly did in that first movie. Although we just chalked it up to that the movie is kind of ridiculous and it doesn’t really matter in the end.

Right? But that's the thing, if you ignore the "Eh, they're just sh*t movies and if you think at all they fall apart" then the only logical explanation is that Pamela had help.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Wasn't there a mystical element though with Jason were he was more than a "woods dwelling psycho"? He's like a demon guy who can't die or whatever?

It's been... decades since I sat through any of the F13 flicks. The last one I remember was sitting around with a buddy laughing our asses off as Julius tried to box Jason on roof. Jason took one punch. It was like bad comedy. I don't even remember which one that was - "Jason Takes the Bronx" or something like that...... I only remember the guy's name was Julius because we referenced it for years as inside comedy.

Only if you accept "Jason Goes To Hell" as canon, which most don't.

For one thing, it was made by an entirely different studio, entirely different people, and for legal reasons pretty much nothing from the original series could be carried over, therefore they had to come up with a completely new backstory for Jason, and his family tree, all of which is pretty hard to reconcile with the events of earlier films. The whole movie is just one revelation after another of stuff that's completely, "Wait, what? Since when?"

Every single thing in that movie was made up JUST for that movie, was never mentioned before, and never again since. Jason being some kind of demon-spawn that jumped from body to body, the whole "Only a Voorhees can kill a Voorhees" stuff (WHAT?!), the Magic Dagger... it's all just f*cking nonsense. Even by F13 standards, it's nonsense. And it contradicts every single thing the earlier movies ever bothered to show or explain.

So basically, f*ck "Jason Goes To Hell", it's not relevant to anything at all. And it's arguably the worst movie in the series, which considering "A New Beginning" AND "Jason Takes Manhattan" both exist, is a pretty bold trick.

Past that, "Jason" only became a supernatural force once his corpse was struck by lightning in Part VI and he became a Murder Zombie. Before that, he was just a regular guy with "Retard Strength", until he was hacked to pieces by Tommy Jarvis in Part IV.

There really is no GOOD explanation as to how Jason could have survived drowning, and then just dicked around in the woods for 20-ish years, and THEN just sat back and watched his Mom get her head cut off and not done anything to intervene, not even in that moment. He just kinda waited for a while, stalked Alice, and killed her in Part II. But why not just jump her right then and there once he saw her kill Pamela?

Again, the real answer is, "These are lousy f*cking movies, objectively", but that's not the point of the thought experiment.

SOME people like to assume that Jason was somehow "magical" all along, for various reasons, and thus he survived drowning as a kid. Anything from "Elias (his father, never even seen or mentioned in the movies) dabbled in the occult" to "Jason was Demon-Spawn from birth", and any of a dozen other things. But the fact is, all of THAT is just fanfiction, too.

Frankly, even though "F*ck it, man, it's just Jason and he can't die" is the EASIEST explanation and the one we're clearly meant to accept... I honestly think that this specific fan theory is the most REALISTIC explanation of events, regardless of what the viewer individually chooses to believe.

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I don't know how he intended for the scene of "Jason" jumping out of the lake at the end of the original, but maybe that was supposed to be Alice's hallucination or something.

Nah, the original writer hated that scene and everything it implied. That was all Tom Savini wanting to get crazy with special effects and latex, and the studio insisting that "these movies always have to end with One More Jump Scare". The guy who wrote the movie never even knew about that scene until he saw the movie for himself, and he was rather upset by it.