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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo
It's Affleck that's likely going to die
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If he
doesn't, I'll be shocked.
1. Snyder sold Affleck on the Batman gig in the first place with the promise of being the first live-action Batman to get a big triumphant death scene. Without that, he wasn't particularly interested. Many things have changed, but one has to figure that even in a completely different context, the basic idea holds intrigue for Affleck personally, and it's probably how they got him back for this movie after all the ballyhoo of the last several years. That was probably the big carrot. "C'mon back, we'll kill ya, like ya wanted."
2. MORE importantly, WB wants to bury everything except Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and to a lesser degree Shazam. This can't be stressed enough.
People liked ZSJL. They said, "We've changed our minds! Can we get those other Snyder JL movies, please?" WB said, "Go f*ck yourselves."
"Well, can we maybe get those stories that WOULD have been the movies, as like a comic book or something?"
"Go f*ck yourselves."
"Well... can we at least have some more Cavill Superman stuff?"
"Go f*ck yourselves."
"What about Affleck? Maybe something on HBO Max? C'mon..."
"What part of 'Go F*ck Yourselves' do you people not understand?!"
WB does NOT want one of the most "controversial" characters from the Snyder-verse running around in their "New And Improved" DCEU movies, reminding the audience of movies WB wants them to pretend never happened. It's way,
way too late for people to suddenly start cheerleading for more Affleck Batman. WB isn't hearing those people Now; they're still only hearing the negative things those same exact people said 5 Years Ago.
This is it, for Affleck as Batman. 99.999999% chance he dies, and a 99.99999999% chance we never see him in the suit again unless it's a Halloween party at J-Lo's house.
If anything, the fact that people actually WANT him back as Batman, now, means WB won't ever do it. That's their goddamn M.O. Tell them you want soup, they give you salad and tell you to shut your f*cking mouth.
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Aqua:
I did make a similar point about Luke Skywalker just yesterday - that it's not SO much that they killed him off, but rather, they made him a complete washout first and THEN killed him off, and that's what's honestly more damaging. So I hear you with that.
Problem is, I do also have to take SOME of what people say at face value. I do admittedly project a lot about "What people REALLY mean," and inarguably, I'm often right about most of it. But SOMETIMES, I have to at least
pretend that the things people say out loud are true.
And plenty of people tell me, "I'm just pissed they killed Luke at all, I don't care how. Killing him was unforgivable. He was my hero!"
Point of fact, I'm currently engaged in a VERY spirited debate on another forum, Right This Minute, about whether or not it's EVER acceptable to kill off a heroic character, in ANY context. Believe it or not, a ton of people SINCERELY do not think it is acceptable. They don't care how well that death is presented; they only care that Their Guy got made to look bad, and they can't have that. Any character, any scenario, doesn't matter... "You DON'T kill the Good Guys, it's not acceptable." That's what I am being told.
I'm a bit shocked by this myself, but apparently, to a LOT more people than I'd ever expected, "killing" their favorite fictional character is invariably "disrespecting" both the character, and their fans. Many people, apparently, do not want their heroes to sweat at ALL, let alone bleed or die. And they get very, very upset about it.
Now, I personally think people like that are hyper-sensitives. BUT, I'm forced to accept what they say out loud as Truth and that they really mean it. At least to some degree.
And they SAY, they don't care HOW Luke was killed, they just didn't want to see him die. That in a movie full of his character being "abused", that was just the cherry.
Likewise, a lot of people are saying, "If they kill Keaton's Batman, I'm done with DC movies. I don't even care. You don't do that to My Guy."
Maybe they mean it, maybe they don't.
I am a VERY arrogant and dismissive person. But even I think it would be arrogant to dismiss ALL of that chatter as people spouting hot air. There's just too much of it. On some level they
must feel that way, if they keep saying so.
So yeah, without projecting too much and only working with what people give me... I DON'T think people would take it well if they killed Keaton's Batman. Because I am literally seeing people say, "If they do this, I PROMISE not to take it well."
So again... We Shall See.