[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

As Leo eloquently pointed out (even though the word eloquent is probably something he’d never call himself)

Eloquent and/or Esoteric, they both fit pretty well.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like by security personnel or such? Of course. No brainer. Better there is a chance in these school shootings than "let's wait for the cops and hopefully #1, they're not cowards and #2, they get there in time." Both or either being pretty horrific gambits.

But I get it. You don't relate. No kids and no plans. Same as the loudest people against protecting kids in schools. Very easy to form a basic ideology about guns and protection of schools from that place when you have no skin in the game and never will.



Definitely haven't come across any of that, even in encountering various fringes. That's pretty weird. But Jersey is a long way from Seattle, I'll grant.

- Last I heard, their most popular "plan" was sticking armed PTSD-riddled military veterans in there, and it shouldn't take more than a few seconds of thought to realize that's horrifying, and why. Also, you assume these hypothetical "good guys with guns" would be even the slightest bit more competent and less pathetic than their peers in law enforcement have proven to be when confronted with the same circumstances. Which is asking a lot. Your plan is a great way to ensure a lot of accidental dead kids when G.I. Joe Sixpack over there sees a Muslim kid and his Gulf War flashbacks kick in. The lawsuits from that are gonna be just epic.

Next you'll be telling me we need to be arming the teachers, something else a lot of well-meaning lunatics say with a straight face. Oh, you guys. You probably also think active shooter drills do anything except make kids incredibly neurotic, irrationally terrified and prematurely depressed.

There's much better solutions to the problem of school shootings, but nobody right-leaning wants to hear them because they start with "Not picking on and ostracizing kids until they have a psychotic break" and end with "Also, teenagers don't ever need or deserve access to assault weapons." Two things conservatives adore more than anything is picking on those who are weaker and/or different from them, and making sure everyone is fully-armed "just in case". And they also don't see how those things create disaster when mixed, because seeing just over the next hill isn't something they've proven to be terrific at, historically.

It's not from "no skin in the game", it's about having some common sense, and understanding what is more likely to work than not versus What Absolutely Will Not Work. Frankly, and with respect, I'd argue that your "skin in the game" has affected your rational judgment on some topics, and made you look at them Emotionally rather than Logically. It happens.

Hypothetically, it would just be a lot easier to make it harder for bullied teens with a long and well-documented history of mental illness and violent behavior to ever obtain guns. It's actually very easy to identify these people well in advance, as numerous studies have proven multiple causality factors, and since we can pretty much pick them out in advance we can also hypothetically take steps to prevent them getting access to guns, or at least make it a lot harder for them than "jack into Daddy's gun safe". But hey, instead of exploring those options, let's just hope that "The Guy Who REALLY Wants This Job Walking Around A School Full Of Kids With A Loaded Gun" is a well-adjusted adult (Not Likely) and not Dollar Store Rambo instead (Actually Very Likely). Totally not a disaster waiting to happen, guys. Aye-yi-yi.

- As for the gay hatred thing, I admit this is more something I witness on the internet than in Real Life. Nobody around here is too homophobic, at least not outspokenly so, but as I've mentioned I do read the news (and the comments) pretty often, and WOW, it sure is loud on that there internet. Like "they all need to just die" loud.

And again, most of those types of people insist they don't want gay people dead because THEY want them dead, specifically, they just swear up and down "GOD is pretty clear on the subject, whattya want from me?"

I'm not saying every Republican wishes gay people dead. I am however saying that anyone who says they want gay people dead definitely votes Republican and that it's not a false generalization to make.

I mean, point of fact, any time someone in America is one or two breaths away from advocating full-blown genocide against an entire group of people, any group of people... "Kill the gays! Kill the Muslims! Kill the Jews!" and so on... it's someone who votes Republican. That should at the very least make a conservative-leaning person take stock, I'd think, if for no other reason to ensure that they themselves aren't falling off the deep end, because as we've seen a lot, it's very easy for some people to do. "We were talking about fiscal responsibility an hour ago, but now I'm at a goddamn militia meeting handing out guns and bibles. I really feel like the road from There to Here should be a lot longer than it is..."