[Spawn Guy]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Oh they are, no question. Ultimate Avengers is like reading a nursery edition of the first story. Virtually nothing is there, the best performances are from the leading antagonist (Banner) and Fury, Black Widow (whose role in The Ultimates is one bitch of a traitor) does virtually nothing to establish her character and is just seen as Fury's right-hand woman and Cap's busty girlfreind, rather than Iron Man's.

The sequel is a slight improvement in violence and story, but its not remotley an Ultimates tale, and the cliche of having the Nazi alien from WWII Cap fought retain his old uniform throughout the sequel is laughable.

The star of the films is undoubtedly The Hulk, nothing remotley changed. Banner's a victim, but also an asshole, his journey from selfish to selfless is the most mature and well-handled of two movies that spend a lot of time making people shout and brood a lot.

I thought you didn't like the Ultimates...