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Okay this was so ignorant I have to say something.

Originally Posted by FlawedCoil82

FAST FORWARD pulled in huge ratings because most of the 4Kids audience are children that do not appreciate good artwork nor storytelling.

Yes kids hate good artwork and storytelling. That's why the Batman animated series and just about every DC and Marvel show does so bad they cancel it quickly.

The original 2k3 series was too dark and complex for them to understand.

2K3 was far from complex. Every plot twist was easy to see and as far as being "dark" goes there's only so far you can go with that before you just sound like an idiot. Your watching a cartoon trying to justify it by saying it's dark is pretty low. You want a dark cartoon with advanced adult storytelling watch Spawn or The Maxx, it's made for adults.

Look at the rest of the garbage on 4Kids right now (or any cartoon station....that's right, I am looking directly at you Cartoon Network!). TMNT was the only even decent cartoon airing, but kids have been so mindwarped by today's cartoons which are all drawn distorted and ugly, with sad attempts at 'humor' and horrible attention to detail (except for maybe Spongebob Squarepants which actually attempts to keep some of the classic and cute looking characters in the vein of Looney Toons).

Do you blame them? This generation has had more problems with violence in young kids then any other and it stems from early childhood. They already have video game backlash to combat the animation studios don't need parents on their ass too.

TMNT stood alone on the Fox Saturday morning line-up due to it's rather good artwork and serious plotlines which actually required some thinking to take place, (something most of the general kiddie audience could not absorb).

Either you never read any of the comics or turtles was the only other cartoon you've seen besides Scooby-doo. There are plenty of shows with great artwork and advanced storytelling. Most shows have a great way of hiding their adult themes, something turtles needed to work on in order to be successful among both kids and adults. 2K3 was to adult heavy, FF to kid heavy. The storytelling however did not change a bit. Dialog choice maybe but anyone who dissect the story can see it's just as "dark" as any 2K3 storyline.
Examples:
Darius trying to murder his own nephew Cody to take over the company so he can use it to make weapons. Cody is like what 12? That's pretty morbid.
Shokonabo wants to block out the worlds sun and turn the entire planet into slaves of his so he can rape Earth for its resources.
Baxter comes back to murder Bishop for supposedly leaving him behind years ago.
Dark Leo infiltrates the turtles place and turns on their alarm systems in an attempt to kill them in their sleep.
Shokonabo is killed with a grenade to the face! He swallows a grenade and explodes. That's pretty rad.

However once they dumbed it down to the modern day child's cartoon appreciation level of crappier/uglier/distorted artwork, the kiddies could eat it up much easier as it blended much better with the rest of their brain warping animated shows.

Well I'd hate to burst your bubble but FF was going to happen no matter what. It was set to take place after season 5, the Ninja Tribunal season, anyways. Your blaming 4Kids for basically airing what they were going to do anyways earlier. If I were you I'd be blaming them for making it so unwatchable for their younger audiences they had to tone it down twice as much as they normally would have. Baxter's finger rotting off, monsters getting sawed in half with a chain gun, use your brain dude it was bound to happen eventually with how violent the series was getting.

And Turtles was not the only edgy show on TV again watch any DC series. Also this new X-men series looks to be rather mature. I've also heard good things about Spider-man and the animation in that looks great.

Having said that, I actually did break down and bought both FAST FORWARD dvds from Walmart.com (since they are only like $7 each) and I wanted to catch up to prepare myself for BTTS so I wouldnt be lost. Is it quite as bad as I originally believed it was? No it actually isn't. There are still a few fights that are somewhat interesting (instead of them just throwing pizzas at villians like they did in the 80's and calling that a fight). FAST FORWARD is not even close to being as interesting to the first 5 seasons (granted though I am only 6 episodes in). FAST FORWARD is to TMNT what X-MEN EVOLUTION was to the original 90's X-MEN cartoon. Nonetheless I do not really regret picking them up. They appear good enough for at least a viewing or two.
Jack

That comment right there shows me your not very old. If you judge a story based on fight sequences then your not very mentally advanced. You want a bunch of fight sequences with no thought put behind them go watch 300. Movies like that are made for people like you.