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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader
I'm sorry that he didn't include characters you think should have been included and I'm sorry that as Peter got more busy with the 2007 movie and other aspects of the franchise towards the end of the cartoon run that he probably wasn't controlling the content of the show AS heavily (hence Cody Jones and pizza humor). I'm sorry that you don't like the way he ran things, but he doesn't anymore so you don't have to worry.
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I think you're a little confused about my stance on things. I never really demanded any of the OT characters to come back. I
am certain that a lot of OT fans wouldn't give the new show a chance because they didn't, but that's not how I personally felt. Personally, I took a while to get into it, but was hooked when I did. Second, I don't remember any pizza humor in the show, and my point was that, had there been any, it quite possibly would not have been as annoying as Mikey's new obsession with being Battle Nexus Champion. With Cody Jones, and
Fast Forward in general, again I'm not really stating my own opinion so much as what's become a very popular one; I never had much of a problem with that season, and liked it much better than the Lost Season, but the general fan backlash is undeniable. My overall point is that, while I agree the 4Kids show is better than the OT, that quality doesn't really have much to do with its disregard for a lot of OT elements. It definitely
does have to do with its incorporation of a lot of Mirage Comic elements, but only so long as the show continued to incorporate them. I loved the show and didn't hold its lack of OT stuff against it, but I can imagine a version I loved more that included some of the OT stuff and didn't include some of the new stuff it added.
As for the 2007 movie, my personal opinion there is that it wasn't worth Peter Laird putting the 4Kids show on the backburner. Don't get me wrong; I liked it, but it didn't leave much of an impression on me with its one-off plot and its family-friction subplot. It just felt like an episode of a TMNT TV show to me, and for me the thrill of the shows is the cumulative effect of their episodes.
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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader
I think it would benefit you to be able to walk a few steps in someone else's shoes before frankly you make such harsh judgements about someone you don't even know. Unless you were at Mirage Studios daily during the 2000's you really don't know what Pete's life was like nor what stresses he was putting up with, nor how much heart he put into the projects he choose.
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Oh; I
have tried to put myself in his shoes, although you're probably right that nobody is really able to, and
I made a pretty sympathetic post here. Still, just as Peter Laird wishes he could change history so he wouldn't have created the Turtles, I'm pretty sure I
wouldn't want to have his life if it made me as unhappy as he seems to be. Even with all of that money, I don't think I'd want to be that bitter. He probably does have his reasons, and I can speculate about them, but I don't know if I want to think in any great depth about them; lest I start overanalyzing everything and disliking everything.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
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No; it's
many people's opinion, and as I made clear above, many people's more severely than mine. I actually got into an arguement with my brother when we dug up an old VHS of "The Big Blow-Out" that we had in a bin, and he referred to it as "The
good series." (I did not add that emphasis.) To this date, I think TMNT nostalgia still surrounds the OT more than it does the 4Kids show, and a big part of that is that the 4Kids show was handled in a way that alienated OT fans, almost deliberately. If it hadn't, the fandom would have crossed over, and the franchise would be huge. I think maybe even the Mirage Comics inherrited more fans from the OT, possibly because they had the first movie to use as a bridge.
I know it's easy for some of you to say that the 4Kids show was good on its own merit, and who cares what fanboys say, but for me, it's incredibly annoying to keep hearing a show I like badmouthed because it was allegedly TMNT in name only, and the real problem is that the people doing the badmouthing don't even have what I'd consider bad taste in general, and don't even know they're prejudiced. Had the 4Kids show just thrown the fanboys a bone; provided some icebreaker to introduce them, I'm quite certain a lot of the old fans would come to love it. It would be a treasured part of TMNT mythology to reference in later discussions in adaptations. Yet I think they (maybe Peter, maybe somebody else, but somebody) got too caught up in the notion that "good" = "not like the OT," and the unpopular ideas they had later gave lie to that.