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Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Only problem with Cagliostro is that it feels more Miyazaki than ti does Lupin, if that makes any sense.

I feel the same way actually. I love Cagliostro, it's a great film, but it's definitely closer in vibe to Miyazaki's normal works than it is to Lupin. So while it's a really good movie, it's kind of only a 'decent' Lupin film.

Then again, I forget the title, but there's an actually Lupin film or special that's managed to put me to SLEEP, something Cagliostro could never cause, so take that as you will.

I would say Cagliostro is indeed a very likely source for them to have seen, especially in the 80s, but it's hard to say for sure. TV industry people tend to see overseas stuff well before most of the public does, just as part of the job. I said second series is likely earlier in this thread, but those Cagliostro screenshots are pretty compelling too.

Hmm...you have a point. I was kind of going towards thinking it had to be Cagliostro now, since that was the only thing available here at that time I think (if even it was), but there's a lot of other ways he could have seen ANY of it. Either way, I'll be looking out for that kind of outfit for Fujiko in anything old from Lupin that I get to watch now, and if I find anything I'll post it.

Originally Posted by Mewzard

Miyazaki's early career was working on Lupin the 3rd.

Not clipping the rest of your post to disregard it, just trying to keep my reply from being any bigger than it has to be.

Miyazaki certainly did get started on Lupin, but in general his work on Lupin episodes was probably more 'strict' than what he was allowed to do in Cagliostro. I haven't seen the episodes in question, but I'd bet he probably had to keep things closer to standard Lupin practices, whereas in Cagliostro he was allowed to 'go wild' as it were.

And April's costume was inspired by Fujiko from Lupin the 3rd? That's awesome. I loved watching that show on Adult Swim at it's ridiculous 4AM timeslot...and they wonder why it didn't work? >_>

Yeah, Lupin's never gotten superb treatment over here sadly, which is why I'm thankful for every little thing we get for it.

Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Interestingly enough, Lupin also sort of has a Mirage vs OT thing where the original manga is a lot more violent and serious compared to it's more famous and humorous TV shows. The first show (and the new Fujiko show) are probably closer to the manga than the second show, which is the long-running, more comedic, most famous one. But then again I have yet to ever have the chance to actually read the manga myself, so it might not be quite as pronounced as people make it out to be.

I've only read a few volumes of the manga, and...well...I'm not sure I'd go so far as to compare it to Mirage V.S. OT. There's definitely some tone changes and such just like what happened there, but I'm not sure I'd put it on that same level. Personally, anyway.

The original manga has an artstyle very akin to early MAD magazine artwork (was even inspired by that if I recall right), the Lupin gang isn't really a 'gang' at all (you're lucky to see Lupin and Jigen together in it, and there's not really a 'Fujiko' per say, just lots of busty women), and in it Lupin is a lot more potentially vile than in the usual anime adaptations. It's heavily implied, in gag form no less, that he rapes a lot of the women he meets...so yeah, the anime version of Lupin that most people know is a little different from the manga. I actually prefer the slightly toned down version myself.

Anyway...sorry for going off on the deep end about Lupin here, but hopefully some of it also flows back into the conversation at hand too.