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Originally Posted by Vegita-San
but, if the people they are trying to represent HATE the changes as much as the 'old' audience....you'd think they'd learn their lesson and not mess with things as much. but no, gotta appear 'progressive'..
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But the new fans that Marvel has courted recently with their "diversity" characters don't hate the changes. That's the problem.
Many of the new diversity characters have been commercial hits digitally and/or in trade format which not only nets Marvel a lot more money but also since this seems to be future of comics then it's important for Marvel to gain even stronger foot holds in these outlets.
Not all of the new diversity characters have been hits mind you, a few have have very obviously flopped and some have achieved pretty middling results. Also these new mediums carry their own unique hurdles that Marvel has yet to work out; for example how to get fans that eating up Ms Marvel digitally or Squirrel Girl in trade format to buy
other Marvel books? Traditional lines of thinking is to put them on teams but that doesn't seem to work quite as well for these kinds of characters.
It shouldn't be a surprise that demographics that buy their comics via direct market skew much more to the "classic" characters but direct market retailers are going to have to accept that they are not the only game in town anymore. It's not like there are no legitimate grievances that they can bring to Marvel about their business practices but when a retailer instantly jumps to complaining about "homos" and "****ing females" they've betrayed what their real problem is.
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Originally Posted by dl316bh
Marvels shift to a constant event cycle just caught up with them and people got sick of the whole song and dance.
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There's some truth to this but commercially even the lesser selling events like Civil War II still ended up selling. I can't see the cycle of events and relaunches ending until it stops making them money, also bare in mind that the last time Marvel eased off events and went with a more classic roster of heroes they were unhappy with the results. Not to mention fans have been hyping up DC's Rebirth (a line wide relaunch with mini and major events) and pestering Marvel to follow their lead which suggests to me that traditional fans aren't necessarily against all this if it panders to them hard. I guarantee you Hydra Cap story line and Secret Empire would not have gotten anywhere near as much hate if it wasn't for Sam Wilson sharing the role of Captain America and the paranoid belief that they were going to permanently disgrace Steve Rogers to boost up Sam.
Of course this could (and should) have been brought up to Marvel but they missed that opportunity to complain loudly about too many minorities. Shows where their priorities are.