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Old 01-17-2022, 04:02 PM   #392
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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo View Post
Read your second post. Shredder does have more tricks up his sleeve indeed, but we have to remember this is Shredder we are talking about.

If you have a Ninja master who is brash, arrogant and impulsive, that's Shredder in the 1987 show. Take those personality traits away, and you have Splinter.

The point is, Shredder always has opportunities to think things through, but he doesn't and always picks whatever is infront of him because "I hate those turtles!". It makes sense why he would go along with Krang's plan, because the constant defeats in episodes 1 to 4 just made him mindlessly obsessed with destroying the turtles to the point of not considering his options.
Sure? But he still decides to do the one thing he always knew was a bad idea. Even if we assume he thought he was out of options when he finally agreed to build it, he had already come up the the Anti-Mutagen plot when he inserted Krang into it anyway. He could easily have postponed it or at least placed an explosive or something in the body.

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But I might be getting ahead of myself by discussing the Fred Wolf Cartoon in a thread about the upcoming Rise movie
Well, we are trying to determine if Rise can actually be considered worse than the Fred Wolf cartoon in an objective sense. Tell you what, go and rewatch the first season of Rise and see if it holds up without trying to compare it to other versions of TMNT or confusing personal likes/dislikes for good craftsmanship.

Try to evaluate the show on criteria such as:
  • Is everything necessary communicated to us the audience?
  • Was there sufficient set-up for this payoff?
  • Do the characters have sufficient knowledge to make the decisions they do?
  • Is it reasonable to assume this character would make this particular decision based on what we know about them?
  • Are there any contradictions?
  • Does this animation make sense visually?
  • Is the audio and video in sync?
  • Can the characters be heard clearly?
Criteria such as these will help you determine if the the show is well crafted or not. Keep in mind that this is not the same thing as you liking it or not, that is a different discussion. You liking something or not is about what impression something made on you, it could have very little to do with the quality of the thing. These criteria all relate to creating a cohesive story and correctly structuring an audio-visual product, passing these is what every single cartoon should strive for. You may need to make exceptions if it is intentionally breaking them but it is usually pretty obvious when it is doing it intentionally, such as a character having amnesia or it being done for the sake of a joke, but if it is doing it intentionally and you can't tell why then it still fails.

Of course, you may get something wrong in this assessment but that is what the discussion is for.
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Turtles is basically the red-headed stepchild of Nick.
Hahahaha!
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