Official TMNT 2 Discussion

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't even want to think about the possibility of a third movie.

[bushido]

Tyler Perry interview.


Don't know if this spot was posted, I'm confuse right now.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Here's a new Stephen Amell interview.



Here are video interviews with Megan Fox and Will Arnett from MTV.
http://www.people.com/article/megan-...tter_peoplemag

Damn, Cylon's Arrow discs have got to be eviscerated by now.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by bushido

Tyler Perry interview.


Don't know if this spot was posted, I'm confuse right now.

That's interesting, in Tyler Perry's interview, they mention that the humans have some sort of animal ancestry, so humans mutate based on what there animal ancestry was.

It's a far better concept then mutating to whatever the last thing you touched.

[bushido]

I want to click on the interviewer chick.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

It's a far better concept then mutating to whatever the last thing you touched.

More like far more ridiculous. But knowing you, I'm not surprised you'd eat this up.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

That's interesting, in Tyler Perry's interview, they mention that the humans have some sort of animal ancestry, so humans mutate based on what there animal ancestry was.

That's... that's not how that works.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

That's interesting, in Tyler Perry's interview, they mention that the humans have some sort of animal ancestry, so humans mutate based on what there animal ancestry was.

It's a far better concept then mutating to whatever the last thing you touched.

No, no it's not.

[TurtleTitan97]

Guess what, everyone? I just had some tests done, and it turns out my ancestors were Sharks! Crazy right?!

[Utrommaniac]

Yeaaah, the "mutate into the last thing you touched" makes more sense. They could have gone with an "animal a human is most similar to" direction and even that would have been better. If they're going that direction, Bebop and Rocksteady should have turned into Australopithecus.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

That's interesting, in Tyler Perry's interview, they mention that the humans have some sort of animal ancestry, so humans mutate based on what there animal ancestry was.

It's a far better concept then mutating to whatever the last thing you touched.

Well we already know from the previous trailers that humans have a dormant animal genes in this movie but here's a question; I thought you really wanted this to be heavily 80s animated series inspired? Seems strange that you are defending a pretty big deviation from the classic cartoon?

Also as loath as I am to say it the whole last thing you touched is better. I mean I'd rather it was more like the comics and pretty much every other version were the ooze evolved animals into a anthropomorphic form which is trope heavily steeped in classic fiction but the idea that you can somehow splice human and animal DNA even in the overly simplistic way the OT did it would have been better than the pandora's box this magic purple does things.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Well we already know from the previous trailers that humans have a dormant animal genes in this movie but here's a question; I thought you really wanted this to be heavily 80s animated series inspired? Seems strange that you are defending a pretty big deviation from the classic cartoon?

Also as loath as I am to say it the whole last thing you touched is better. I mean I'd rather it was more like the comics and pretty much every other version were the ooze evolved animals into a anthropomorphic form which is trope heavily steeped in classic fiction but the idea that you can somehow splice human and animal DNA even in the overly simplistic way the OT did it would have been better than the pandora's box this magic purple does things.

The movie it is it's own thing which borrows from the 80s show, but have a new spin on things.

[Utrommaniac]

I'm not sure if it's something I've glimpsed over in IDW, but how does it even work there? Is there already human DNA in the mutagen/ooze as it is (from the Hamatos, maybe? By Utrom handiwork?) and that's why animals can become anthropomorphic? Then the Foot retconned it with various animal DNA?

[IndigoErth]

So we're possibly going super public?

A bit torn on that. On one hand, I'd be curious for TMNT to explore slowly expanding their circle of allies and working on becoming slightly more public and getting that acceptance in society they want. (And for their own benefit, too, as far as living arrangements - with the lair remaining a secret headquarters if no longer "home" - gaining better access to stuff, healthcare, etc.) SLOWLY.

But I'm not sure I want to see that explored in this format... and if so, I'd rather it was slowly drawn out and did not come to an entirely public appearance until if and when it culminated in a much later sequel, IF it got that far.

But this... this is far too fast. Too obvious that they may just be trying to rush it and do everything right now in case it's their last shot at it. It would be much more moving if they got that longed for acceptance several sequels later (were it to last as long as something like Transformers). Writers have zero patience in their so-called storytelling.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

That's interesting, in Tyler Perry's interview, they mention that the humans have some sort of animal ancestry, so humans mutate based on what there animal ancestry was.

It's a far better concept then mutating to whatever the last thing you touched.

I don't know about better... funner maybe, if we're just throwing all reason out the window and somehow suspending disbelief enough to accept that humans have various non-ape ancestry and differs between people.

When really... we'd probably just all turn into intelligent, short versions of Big Foot. But that's not nearly as interesting, is it...

Personally I have a hard time suspending disbelief to quite that extent. I can't get away from how far out of logic that goes. The Turtles are one thing, and perhaps there is genetic tampering there that added human to the mix. BUT it's not like one of them became like a human while another of them became more like a giraffe. (Because as fellow beings on Earth other animals, including Turtles, should then also have other creatures in their ancestry.)

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The movie it is it's own thing which borrows from the 80s show, but have a new spin on things.

You've defended a lot of the unpopular decisions this movie is making with the argument it's based on the 80s show as if that trumps everything now you're conveniently pivoting away from that and arguing a pretty big difference from that show is actually better?

Out of curiosity what do you think is better about this?

The whole idea that movies have to put a new spin on stories and characters is one of the biggest misconceptions Hollywood have ever pulled and it's consistently disproven by the many hugely successful comic book movies which succeed because they are faithful to the source.

Look, I am by no means a huge defender of the 80s show but even they fell short of something portraying mutation as this easy and random. This and the idea that the turtles become public heroes opens a huge Pandora's box which can't easily undone when it turns out that even people excited for the movie don't even like it.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Galactus

You've defended a lot of the unpopular decisions this movie is making with the argument it's based on the 80s show as if that trumps everything now you're conveniently pivoting away from that and arguing a pretty big difference from that show is actually better?

Out of curiosity what do you think is better about this?

The whole idea that movies have to put a new spin on stories and characters is one of the biggest misconceptions Hollywood have ever pulled and it's consistently disproven by the many hugely successful comic book movies which succeed because they are faithful to the source.

Look, I am by no means a huge defender of the 80s show but even they fell short of something portraying mutation as this easy and random. This and the idea that the turtles become public heroes opens a huge Pandora's box which can't easily undone when it turns out that even people excited for the movie don't even like it.

Its a different universe, and different universes explain things differently.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Its a different universe, and different universes explain things differently.

That's a weak excuse considering how every other version of TMNT has handled how the Mutagen works better than this.

But knowing you it won't matter cause as long as they throw all this CGI fan service in your face, it'll be a good movie regardless, right?

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Its a different universe, and different universes explain things differently.

And you really think these film makers will actually give an explanation? This isn't the Nolan Batman films where nearly everything is explained or a show that understand it's audience. This is a movie that goes down to Bay, looks him in the eye and ask, "what do you want to do to kill us now?"

I've literally been studying genetics for a good portion of my school year and from a science stand point, this is illogical. At least the last thing touched concept while silly makes sense. Dude, give some reasoning for once please.

[TigerClaw]

Whatever, it's movie science.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Its a different universe, and different universes explain things differently.

Well I think the current output of successful comic book movies that explain things in a way generally faithful to their source material shows that not only is not necessary to do things differently but it's better approach to be faithful.

Also I'd argue that a movie is the definitive version of a franchise by default. TMNT isn't like Batman or Spider-Man with unlimited number of tries until they get it "right". Without hyperbole this could be the last word on the franchise, the one that defines what TMNT is in the eyes of public. It has a responsibility to not just be a different approach but the best approach.

With that in mind I'll ask again; what exactly do you think is better about this approach than the others?