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~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-18-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jezza

That would be awesome. Although having only the foot established on the movie universe may make that a bit difficult.

Why, the Foot is really all they need.

johnnyblaze · 03-18-2007, 05:23 PM

they could bring Tatsu back and have him form a squad called the Shredder Elite and they could be the ones to go to war against the turtles and the Foot over control of the city. throw in a cloning arch put into action by the Shredder Elite if people are desperate for the Shredder to return and we have something rolling on the villain side of things. they just need an arch for the turtles.

*Rooish* · 03-18-2007, 05:26 PM

Why does everyone love Tatsu so much, anyway?

johnnyblaze · 03-18-2007, 05:31 PM

I just think it would be a cool way to connect the story arch to the events of the 1st 2 films

kerfootw · 03-18-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze

from what Munroe has been saying it sounds like he is leaning towards adapting City at War--which would be incredibly bad ass

That would be awesome!!!

*ToTheNines* · 03-18-2007, 06:14 PM

Yeah, I would love to see the Elite Gaurd in the next one. Also, having Baxter being a semi-major character is a great idea, mabey even some mousers!

*Spitfire* · 03-18-2007, 06:53 PM

The monsters aren't a main part of the movie because it isn't about the monsters. It's about a family keeping a connection. You could tell this same story in 900 different settings and have the same result.

It's like Signs, the movie Signs isn't about the aliens. It's about a man who gets his faith in God back. Yeah the aliens are there, but are you going to be to pissed when you don't really see them that much?

Or Spider-man 2, the movie isn't about Spider-man flying around beating up bad guys. It's about a man who has had it with a responsibility he forced upon himself because he felt guilty for his uncle's death. You could tell this story with a normal person as well, this one just happens to be Spider-man.

A movie is good for it's core story not all the crap happening around that. That's just to dress the story up. That's why alot of movies are bad now of days. They focus on the dressing before they do the story, and this is why we get all these shallow over stylized movies.

I haven't seen it yet, I will Friday morning, but as far as I'm concerned I will walk in expecting a kids film and hopefully walk out happy. Alot of you have been bad mouthing this movie for awhile and you cling to the first movie. Which is what alot of people did with the old toon. They clung to it and wouldn't accept the new toon.

I can't tell you if your review is good or bad because I have not seen the picture myself yet, but when I do I won't be complaining that there aren't enough monsters in it because it isn't about monsters.

*Warhorse* · 03-18-2007, 07:42 PM

Well said spitfire.

I don't know what people are expecting from this film. I'm expecting the family dynamics to be the main story. The monsters are there for something for the Turtles to fight, (I still think it was a good move, keep the monsters for the PG film and save the Foot and the rise of Karai for a more stronger movie)

I am into the Turtles because of the characters, and the way they interract with eachother. They are engaging in some serious fighting, while at the same time quipping out smart ass remarks and trying to keep the moment funny. It's dark and humurous at the same time.

Class is Pain 101 · 03-18-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

The monsters aren't a main part of the movie because it isn't about the monsters. It's about a family keeping a connection. You could tell this same story in 900 different settings and have the same result.

It's like Signs, the movie Signs isn't about the aliens. It's about a man who gets his faith in God back. Yeah the aliens are there, but are you going to be to pissed when you don't really see them that much?

Or Spider-man 2, the movie isn't about Spider-man flying around beating up bad guys. It's about a man who has had it with a responsibility he forced upon himself because he felt guilty for his uncle's death. You could tell this story with a normal person as well, this one just happens to be Spider-man.

A movie is good for it's core story not all the crap happening around that. That's just to dress the story up. That's why alot of movies are bad now of days. They focus on the dressing before they do the story, and this is why we get all these shallow over stylized movies.

I haven't seen it yet, I will Friday morning, but as far as I'm concerned I will walk in expecting a kids film and hopefully walk out happy. Alot of you have been bad mouthing this movie for awhile and you cling to the first movie. Which is what alot of people did with the old toon. They clung to it and wouldn't accept the new toon.

I can't tell you if your review is good or bad because I have not seen the picture myself yet, but when I do I won't be complaining that there aren't enough monsters in it because it isn't about monsters.

another good example is shaun of the dead, a man who is trying to get his life back together, while zombies attack.

*BigApple3AM* · 03-18-2007, 08:39 PM

Good point$, the monsters aren't the focus of the movie, but a lot of them only got a few seconds of screenplay. Of course the tmnt are the main focus, but the main plot point of this script is 13 monsters and the generals, and neither groups has any prominent screen play or characterization.

FearlessLeader · 03-18-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ectocooler

Good point$, the monsters aren't the focus of the movie, but a lot of them only got a few seconds of screenplay. Of course the tmnt are the main focus, but the main plot point of this script is 13 monsters and the generals, and neither groups has any prominent screen play or characterization.

I think honestly this is where a lot of us disagree.

I see this film as being about a family that has fallen on hard times and it takes the attack of an outside force (the monsters) to bring them back together again. We see a lot of character development between Leonardo and Raphael because honestly that is who I really think this film is about. Two brothers that are struggling to find there place in this world and need each other to figure it out.

*BigApple3AM* · 03-18-2007, 08:50 PM

Maybe the family stuff didn't do much for me is why. But from commercials/previews they would have you think it's all monsters. Then again I dunno why I'm complaining about that issue, I didn't like the issue of monsters in the first place. Though some of the family parts were contrived, a lot of it was well done. The raph vs leo fight was awesome, I can't wait until everyone sees the movie so we can all talk about it.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-18-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ectocooler

Maybe the family stuff didn't do much for me is why. But from commercials/previews they would have you think it's all monsters. Then again I dunno why I'm complaining about that issue, I didn't like the issue of monsters in the first place. Though some of the family parts were contrived, a lot of it was well done. The raph vs leo fight was awesome, I can't wait until everyone sees the movie so we can all talk about it.

I have a feeling it will get heated.

Raph'N'Roll · 03-18-2007, 10:11 PM

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Spitfire666xXxXx:I haven't seen it yet, I will Friday morning, but as far as I'm concerned I will walk in expecting a kids film and hopefully walk out happy

A kids film?
I went in expecting a good film, not a kids film, quality shouldn't have anything to do with a specific age or demographic that the movie's aimed at.
It is a good film btw.

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Spitfire666xXxXx:A movie is good for it's core story not all the crap happening around that.

You need a solid foundation alright, but the "crap" as you so eloquently put it, must also be good if the movie is to be truly excellent, especially if a good portion of the movie is taken up with this so called "crap".

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Ectocooler:If you wanted something deep, dark, and somewhat realistic like the original mirage comics, then the 1990 movie is perfect.

I'd have to disagree with you there, I thought the Turtles personalities in TMNT were more Mirage accurate than the first movie.
I thought Donatello in Turtles 1 used way too much surfer lingo, wasn't as geeky and just didn't seem as intelligent as he does in TMNT.
Mikey is the only one in TMNT who uses surfer talk and that's the way it should be.

*Rooish* · 03-18-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Well said spitfire.

I don't know what people are expecting from this film. I'm expecting the family dynamics to be the main story. The monsters are there for something for the Turtles to fight, (I still think it was a good move, keep the monsters for the PG film and save the Foot and the rise of Karai for a more stronger movie)

I am into the Turtles because of the characters, and the way they interract with eachother. They are engaging in some serious fighting, while at the same time quipping out smart ass remarks and trying to keep the moment funny. It's dark and humurous at the same time.

Reviewers seem to be saying that the script is a weak point, though, Warhorse. I guess when it's just the bros goofing off, it's supposed to be okay?

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-18-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

Reviewers seem to be saying that the script is a weak point, though, Warhorse. I guess when it's just the bros goofing off, it's supposed to be okay?

They're basically saying the Turtles shouldn't even try to be serious because of the concept. Well why don't they just say the same about Transformers and Spider-Man.

*Rooish* · 03-18-2007, 11:14 PM

True dat. The Turtles can be serious, but it needs to be written well (and although I haven't seen TMNT yet, I have been hearing that the script was not too strong).

I think that Spider-man was a genuinely good movie with a script that worked. And ... who knows, Transformers will probably have a terrible script. I'm sure I will love TMNT, as will most Turtle fans. I just hope it's in any way accessible to the masses. We want a sequel after all, right?

FearlessLeader · 03-18-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

True dat. The Turtles can be serious, but it needs to be written well (and although I haven't seen TMNT yet, I have been hearing that the script was not too strong).

I think that Spider-man was a genuinely good movie with a script that worked. And ... who knows, Transformers will probably have a terrible script. I'm sure I will love TMNT, as will most Turtle fans. I just hope it's in any way accessible to the masses. We want a sequel after all, right?

Its seems to me at least the people that find the script weak are the people that went in looking for a monster movie. They are surprised when they monsters aren't featured extremely heavily and they get confused.

If you go in expecting the story to be about the Turtles and there problems and want to watch them work through there issues then I think you enjoy the story a lot more.

Is this film life altering writing... no, but its very enjoyable and I thought well written. All the characters are handled very well.

*Rooish* · 03-18-2007, 11:26 PM

That's a relief to know. Heh, I wonder why people would go into a TMNT movie and not pay attention to the Turtles!

TerranigmaFreak · 03-19-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

Why does everyone love Tatsu so much, anyway?

Because he's badass!!! Plus, he's played by a real martial arts master. It's too bad he received backlash for being in the TMNT movies.

03-18-2007, 05:26 PM	#23
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03-18-2007, 06:53 PM	#27
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	The monsters aren't a main part of the movie because it isn't about the monsters. It's about a family keeping a connection. You could tell this same story in 900 different settings and have the same result. It's like Signs, the movie Signs isn't about the aliens. It's about a man who gets his faith in God back. Yeah the aliens are there, but are you going to be to pissed when you don't really see them that much? Or Spider-man 2, the movie isn't about Spider-man flying around beating up bad guys. It's about a man who has had it with a responsibility he forced upon himself because he felt guilty for his uncle's death. You could tell this story with a normal person as well, this one just happens to be Spider-man. A movie is good for it's core story not all the crap happening around that. That's just to dress the story up. That's why alot of movies are bad now of days. They focus on the dressing before they do the story, and this is why we get all these shallow over stylized movies. I haven't seen it yet, I will Friday morning, but as far as I'm concerned I will walk in expecting a kids film and hopefully walk out happy. Alot of you have been bad mouthing this movie for awhile and you cling to the first movie. Which is what alot of people did with the old toon. They clung to it and wouldn't accept the new toon. I can't tell you if your review is good or bad because I have not seen the picture myself yet, but when I do I won't be complaining that there aren't enough monsters in it because it isn't about monsters. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

03-18-2007, 11:14 PM	#37
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	True dat. The Turtles can be serious, but it needs to be written well (and although I haven't seen TMNT yet, I have been hearing that the script was not too strong). I think that Spider-man was a genuinely good movie with a script that worked. And ... who knows, Transformers will probably have a terrible script. I'm sure I will love TMNT, as will most Turtle fans. I just hope it's in any way accessible to the masses. We want a sequel after all, right? __________________ Thanks evan2000 for the sig!

03-18-2007, 11:26 PM	#39
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	That's a relief to know. Heh, I wonder why people would go into a TMNT movie and not pay attention to the Turtles! __________________ Thanks evan2000 for the sig!

03-18-2007, 05:23 PM	#22
johnnyblaze Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 677	they could bring Tatsu back and have him form a squad called the Shredder Elite and they could be the ones to go to war against the turtles and the Foot over control of the city. throw in a cloning arch put into action by the Shredder Elite if people are desperate for the Shredder to return and we have something rolling on the villain side of things. they just need an arch for the turtles.

03-18-2007, 05:31 PM	#24
johnnyblaze Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 677	I just think it would be a cool way to connect the story arch to the events of the 1st 2 films

03-18-2007, 06:14 PM	#26
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,358	Yeah, I would love to see the Elite Gaurd in the next one. Also, having Baxter being a semi-major character is a great idea, mabey even some mousers!

03-18-2007, 07:42 PM	#28
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	Well said spitfire. I don't know what people are expecting from this film. I'm expecting the family dynamics to be the main story. The monsters are there for something for the Turtles to fight, (I still think it was a good move, keep the monsters for the PG film and save the Foot and the rise of Karai for a more stronger movie) I am into the Turtles because of the characters, and the way they interract with eachother. They are engaging in some serious fighting, while at the same time quipping out smart ass remarks and trying to keep the moment funny. It's dark and humurous at the same time.

03-18-2007, 08:39 PM	#30
BigApple3AM Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Supermarket Aisle Posts: 1,635	Good point$, the monsters aren't the focus of the movie, but a lot of them only got a few seconds of screenplay. Of course the tmnt are the main focus, but the main plot point of this script is 13 monsters and the generals, and neither groups has any prominent screen play or characterization.

03-18-2007, 08:50 PM	#32
BigApple3AM Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Supermarket Aisle Posts: 1,635	Maybe the family stuff didn't do much for me is why. But from commercials/previews they would have you think it's all monsters. Then again I dunno why I'm complaining about that issue, I didn't like the issue of monsters in the first place. Though some of the family parts were contrived, a lot of it was well done. The raph vs leo fight was awesome, I can't wait until everyone sees the movie so we can all talk about it.