What turtles have the best relationships?

[Sparvid]

About other "true universes":

X-Men: The comics are true. The 90s cartoon is mostly stories directly taken from the comics, and sometimes changed for the kids. The movie is basically "based" on the comics (I mean, a good looking Logan who is just as tall as Scott..?). X-Men Evolution is someone taking the characters in the comics and putting them in a fresh, new, and very interesting world, with great stories and animation. But the comic characters is the same people they've been since their creation.

JLA: This one is a little bit tougher. Some people would say the pre-Crisis JLA, with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Some would say the post-Crisis, with Black Canary. And I'm guessing some would say the "big seven" with Flash, Green Lantern, Superman and so on... However all of them are still basically the same characters. Edit: Except for Barry Allen and Hal Jordan that is...

In the Batman TAS they have basically taken the essential in Batman's character and created a great universe around it. I Am The Night, and Mad Love is some of the best Batman stories I've ever read/seen.

The question is what people considers essential to the characters. With the TMNT cartoon the similarities between the cartoon Turtles and the Mirage Turtles are the big things, and almost only those. For example, Mike is a *shudder* party dude! (Nothing about how he fights almost as much as Raph)

[Karpo_007]

Originally Posted by Krang

Just curious, where are you getting that information? From what I've heard, Playmates only funded the first five episodes and had nothing to do with the production of the show, which was done by MWS.

Actually im not sure wheter or not they prouced the others, but since the show had so many new vehicles, almost in every other episode, and there were toys of those vehicles I tought that it would have produced the rest as well. What other reason could there have been to pu so much new vehicles?

So im not sure about that, but i don't think anyone can prove it wrong.

[FreshRazz]

Toy company's are too intellegent to make a show edit their script, if they are running out of things to make they make Sumo Turtles (I didn't belive it myself)

[heretic888]

there is a big difference between opinions about which tmnt 'universe' you may or may not like best for whatever reasons.... and directly experiencing depth in the 'true' tmnt universe.

[themaxonline]

In the Red Sky episodes, (season 8, so far), it seems like Leonardo and Michaelangelo have the best relationship as they're the ones teaming up. Mike always seemed like a loner though.

[HorseTechie]

Hrrmmm yes, I didn't realize the cartoon TMNT had much favoritism among each other because of the stereotypical bortherly nature they had. Raph just teased on everyone else, Mikey treated them to pizza, Don gave them fun inventions, and Leo kept them in line.

It wasn't till I saw the first movie that I relized how much more developed their relationships are with each other. And that the Mike and Don pair was really cool (where as Leo and Raph tended to stand alone).

The movie reviews led me tot eh comics, and it was their I learned that Mike and Raph were the closer friends. Yeah... that really messed me up for a bit, since I loved the Movie portrayal so much. Not I just like both comic and movie versions. It makes sense in a way.

Mike is the type who loves all his brotherlys dearly. He'll be affectionate to them, if they return the favor. The Mirage Raph responded most to Mike's quirks and empathy the most, since Mike is not so critical like Leo or annoyingly-logical like Don. I like to say Mike is the cooling balnce to Raph's hot temper.

But the movie Mike-Don pair makes sense too. Mike may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he seems to know how to make Don feel like he's not being unappreciated for the ideas he has. Like mike is the kid who goes "Oh woooow, can I play with it?!" when Don makes up a vidoe game or cool gadget. Where as Raph and Leo would be like, "Eh, that's... great, Donny. And *why* do we need somehting like that again?"

On the ohter hand, if Raph and Mike tend to hang out a lot.. then it is possibler for Don and Leo to develop more of an understanding for each other. Kinda like a couple of CEO's having lunch together and swapping business strategies.

[azure turtle]

I agree, HT. I really liked the Don/Mike friendship in the first movie. Heh... I especially enjoyed the scene where they retreated to the kitchen as Leo and Raph started arguing.

[Rooish]

My favourite pairs are Raphael-Michelangelo and Leonardo-Donatello. Mike brings out Raph's fun side, which I think he needs (although in the new toon, I think they are a little meaner to each other than in other versions). And Leo and Don are just awesome together--their strategies and skills make for one unstoppable battle pair.

Edit: I'm going to elaborate a little after thinking on the matter further. I, too, noticed the favouritism that Raph and Mike showed each other in the Mirage comics. Even in Volume 4, Raph is always talking about Mikey in an affectionately insulting way, even if he's not there. In the current cartoon, the primary pairs seem to be Leo-Raph and Don-Mike. Although I love Leo's and Raph's relationship (it is so intense and love-hate), I don't think Don and Mikey are very good for each other. Sure, they were hilarious together in the first movie, but that movie didn't, I felt, portray Don very well. It wasn't how I see him, anyway. Mikey's obnoxious humour and teasing in the new cartoon hold Donatello back somewhat from his true potential in the team; he always has to look after Mikey. Leo is better for Mikey and more able to keep him in line; also Mikey can lighten Leo up.

Don and Raph's relationship might be interesting, but it is not very well explored. They are polar opposites, and yet both share a sort of "middle child" syndrome of not receiving enough attention. I think that is the only reason they would form any sort of alliance; otherwise they are too different. In the old 'toon, when they were the two "smart" guys, they were great together, though. But I still stick with my belief that Mikey and Raph are one "best" pair and Leo and Don are the other.

[Sage Ninja]

I didn't get to really read through this thread even though it sounds interesting, but off the the top of my head I like:

Classic 1987 toon:

Raphael+Michaelangelo

Leonardo+Donatello

but I did like when they shook things up and had Leonardo and Michaelangelo and Dontello and Raphael together.

New 2003 toon:

Leo+Mikey

Raph+Don

or Mikey and Raph and Donatello abnd Leo. I don't know why but I really don't care for Don and Mikey pairing in the new toon. Leo and Raphael is good but some how I just not feeling it when it is Donatello and Michelangelo. I don't know why but they both seem so relaxed in personality that they...are boring. Whcih isn't the case with Raphael and Don because for reason they just work so cool together. I dunno.

[Rooish]

I definitely agree. I mean, Donny and Mikey obviously get along, but they just aren't extremely fun to watch together (except in the movies).

[Sage Ninja]

in the mirage universe it seems that alot of the fans have described Raphael and Michaelangelo as being best friends and seem to be in accord with one another. I find that interesting since, (even though they obviously love each other) they tend to be at each other thoats quite a bit in the new toon. ANd don't really give off that best friend, er...vibe.

And I thought that in the classic toon the relationships between the turtles fit because the stuck with their personality type. Leonardo and Donatello are the more serious and dillegent so naturally hang out with each other. And raphael and Michaelangelo hang out and get along because they are more fun loveing and laid back.

[Rooish]

No one else wants to converse about this, eh?

Yeah, it's a shame that, in the new toon, Mikey and Raph don't get along (although they seem to have their moments, and Raph is very protective of Mikey in a bunch of episodes--Bishop's Gambit, Hunted, Return of Savanti Pt. 1, etc.) But then, in the new toon Mikey's pretty annoying. If I didn't love him in all previous versions, he probably wouldn't be my fav turtle in the new cartoon.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

in the mirage universe it seems that alot of the fans have described Raphael and Michaelangelo as being best friends and seem to be in accord with one another. I find that interesting since, (even though they obviously love each other) they tend to be at each other thoats quite a bit in the new toon. ANd don't really give off that best friend, er...vibe.

And I thought that in the classic toon the relationships between the turtles fit because the stuck with their personality type. Leonardo and Donatello are the more serious and dillegent so naturally hang out with each other. And raphael and Michaelangelo hang out and get along because they are more fun loveing and laid back.

I always thought the two with the opposites of interests in common, and that argue and debate the most, ended up having the best and most long lasting friendship/relationship?

[Rooish]

Ahhh... the age-old fight of "opposites attract" vs. "birds of a feather flock together."

Definitely people with different personalities have more intense, emotional relationships. But in terms of long-term staying power, I've read that you're likely to do best with someone more like you, as a friend or otherwise.

Anyway, sorry for starting up this thread again, but it's an interesting topic to me.

[Warhorse]

Dont be sorry. You might have asked a question someone else was curious about too, just didn't know how to word it right.

My favorite friendship is the Leo and Raph one. They have their quarrels, but it's funny how when one goes down, the other is right there to back him up perfectly.

The best, I think is the movie versions of Mikey and Donnie. They showed a hint of that in the previews, so I hope they keep that funny friendship up.

[Rooish]

Spoiler:

Yeah, it looks to me as though the movie will focus very much on the Leo-Raph relationship and the Don-Mike relationship, as the previous movies, and the new cartoon, do.

(That was a spoiler based on the upcoming movie pics).

I personally prefer the pairs that occurred more often in the comics and the old cartoon (Mike-Raph and Leo-Don), but you can't have a Turtle story that doesn't focus on Leo and Raph's conflict! I wouldn't have it any other way. And Mikey and Don are funny together.

Hey, Warhorse, this is gonna sound like a dumb question, but how did you get a movie image in your signature? Can I download an image to my computer and attach it, or do I have to link to it somehow? (Heh, newbies. Well, I'm not a new fan, anyway.)

[Warhorse]

When I was looking at the pics on the site, I pushed the left button on my mouse, and there is a part that says save picture. I clicked it and used my paint software to downsize the image.

I then uploaded the link to my photobucket account and copied and pasted the [IMG][/IMG] part to my signature.

I hope this helps.

Now I am just trying to figure out how to get the images KB smaller than 29kb for an avatar, but I dont know how to do that.

[Roseangelo]

What pic do you want an avatar of? I'm bored enough & willing to play with these pretty pictures...

[Warhorse]

Oooh, uh, give me a sec, don't go away on me!

Ok, I'm back.

This one. I got it as an avatar on another web site, but this one is being a jerk on me.



And this is the link to the whole pic if you need it.

http://www.kino-govno.com/images.php...turtles&img=60

[Roseangelo]

Ok, see if this one works for you...