Renaissance Artists

Savanti Romero · 12-02-2003, 04:19 PM

I have a British Literature class and the we are studying the Renaissance right now. The topic of Ninja Turtles was brought up when a warm-up included "The best Renaissance artists were: Raphael, Michealangelo, and Leonardo Da Vince." Someone said (not I, surprisingly), "What about Donatello?" The class sort of laughed and the teacher said, "Even if this list included four artists, Donatello would not have been my next pick." She said that some other artist was better and had achieved more fame. His name was like Bonachelli or something (this could be way off because I don't remember). Anyway, don't you think it's odd that Donatello got chosen to be a name, when there were other artists at the time who were better?

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-02-2003, 04:21 PM

can you imagine the teenage mutant ninja turtle Bonachelli!!

well it would be weird

Savanti Romero · 12-02-2003, 04:28 PM

I thought about that too, but if you think about it, the only reason it would be wierd is because we are so used to Donatello. Anything else just sounds silly. If Don's name started out different we would think nothing of it.

By the way Bowser, that signature is great!

raphael90 · 12-02-2003, 04:47 PM

What did the real Donatello do in the arts actually? He's the only one I never really knew much about. Come to think of it I don't know much about the real Raphael but I have heard his name mentioned at least (I think).

Savanti Romero · 12-02-2003, 04:49 PM

I can't tell you exactly what he was, but I believe he was mainly a sculpter?
I'm learning Brit Lit, so the we don't learn much about the artists.

**Kali** · 12-02-2003, 04:55 PM

Donatello (or rather Donato), the artist, was a sculpter. He also lived in a different generation than Da Vinci and the others. Which is a big reason that he isn't mentioned often with the "big names" of The Renaissance.

Demonfox38 · 12-02-2003, 05:42 PM

Psyche! We're learning about the Renaissance in World Area! (And I did have to laugh when my teacher said Donatello.

)

Favorite Artist: Tiziano

Lisardo · 12-02-2003, 08:39 PM

Isn't Ren. art fascinating!? We studied it in my college Art Appreicateion class also. We studied each of the four Turtles' namesakes, tho I'd havta break out my old notes to tell you about each of them, lol! Tho I do know that if the TMNT creators were actually gonna name each turtle after it's namesake, and have the same personality as their namesake, Leonardo, not Donatello, would have been the brainy one. Since Leonardo Da Vinci is the scientifical genious. Interesting point if you ask me.

**Nturtle** · 12-02-2003, 08:45 PM

The TMNT are unavoidable in any sort of art history class, just a fact.

I remember doodiling a cartoon of Leo and Don in my "art appriciation" notes next to a list of the great renaissance artists which has the 3 other turtles and Don is asking "what about me?"

*Buslady* · 12-02-2003, 10:00 PM

i just read this:

Michaelangelo was born in 1475 in the area of Florence (Firenze), Italy.
From an early age, he was the apprentice to the
famous artist, Donatello.

AND...

Raphael was born on April 6, 1483, as Raffaello Sanzio. He was born in Urbino. Raphael was said to be unusually handsome, pensive and fair. Raphael had born talent and received early training in art from his father, Giovanni Santi. He also learned new techniques from Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo. Beauty and serenity were his great emotional themes.

So jee wiz, all 4 artists knew each other it seems.

*Cascadia* · 12-02-2003, 10:47 PM

Donatello did not know about the artists during the High Renaissance because he was in the earlier part of the Renaissance. He lived from 1375 (?) until mid-1400s. The other three were in the the 1500s. Raphael, Michelangelo, and Leonardo da Vinci all knew each other. They were in competition with each other. Michelangelo lived through the next art period...early 1600s.

Michelangelo--sculptor, artitect, poet, and painter. But he wanted to be known as a sculptor rather than a painter

Raphael--painter

Leonardo--renaissance man. I have seen his notebooks in my university's library. If you can read backwards Italian.....I highly recommend people to look at them.

In Raphael's School of Athens....the artists of the High Renaissance are placed in there by Raphael.

Everyone's challenge is to look at it and try to identify the artists in the painting. I know the answers.

**Jo Dawn** · 12-02-2003, 10:55 PM

I always found it kinda symbolic that Donatello (the turtle) was named after an artist who was not around at the same time as the other three, thus setting him apart. Donatello (again, the turtle) is also set apart at times from his brothers, so I wonder if that was one of their reasonings for naming him what they did? (Besides it being a really cool name.

)

I dunno... Or, I could be way over-thinking this...

*Cascadia* · 12-02-2003, 11:00 PM

it is pretty ironic that Donatello (the artist) was arrested for hitting someone with a stick...

**Machias Banshee** · 12-02-2003, 11:04 PM

ooh, there's a picture somewhere on the net. there's a pic called "Namesakes", and its a drawing of the four artists using the appropriate weapons...

Edit: ah HA! I found it..!

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/fanart...eNamesakes.jpg

I Love this picture..

*Cascadia* · 12-02-2003, 11:05 PM

also Donato's personality does not match the turtle's. Michelangelo was a hot-head. Raphael and Leonardo were well-liked.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-03-2003, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scienctific freak

also Donato's personality does not match the turtle's. Michelangelo was a hot-head. Raphael and Leonardo were well-liked.

i always thought that turtles personalities didn't match the artist's, i once saw a self portrait of Raphael and he looked pretty girly, unlike raph, who is a tough guy.

about the namesakes.........THATS SO COOL!!!

notice that they don't have pupils!

MW8979 · 12-03-2003, 09:23 AM

The reason for naming the purple guy Donatello is simple. Even though the real artist/sculptor didn't live in the same generation, his name rhymes with the other names and overall, just sounds more synched up and in tune with the rest of the team. When you say all four names in sequence, it has this fluid melodic feel to it, adding to the unity of the team. So if Donatello was something else... it just wouldn't go over as well.

Lisardo · 12-03-2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

ooh, there's a picture somewhere on the net. there's a pic called "Namesakes", and its a drawing of the four artists using the appropriate weapons...

Edit: ah HA! I found it..!

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/fanart...eNamesakes.jpg

I Love this picture..

Oh that is cool! There's something different!

*Cascadia* · 12-03-2003, 11:48 AM

Donato was considered to be greatest artist during the early Renaissance.

Dinogrrl · 12-03-2003, 12:21 PM

"Bonachelli"

I think you'll find you're thinking of Botticelli. I think the reason he would be chosen is because he was a painter, as were all the others bar Donatello. Although Michelangelo sculpted, he is best known, as are Raphael and Da Vinci, for his painting. Artists who were only sculptors were, and still are, overlooked and perhaps even considered 'lesser' artists than painters.

Donatello may have been chosen for the turtle as he was a sculptor and so worked more obviously with his hands as Donatello the turtle does with his gadgets. Besides, Donatello sounds cooler than Botticelli.

12-02-2003, 04:19 PM	#1
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	Renaissance Artists I have a British Literature class and the we are studying the Renaissance right now. The topic of Ninja Turtles was brought up when a warm-up included "The best Renaissance artists were: Raphael, Michealangelo, and Leonardo Da Vince." Someone said (not I, surprisingly), "What about Donatello?" The class sort of laughed and the teacher said, "Even if this list included four artists, Donatello would not have been my next pick." She said that some other artist was better and had achieved more fame. His name was like Bonachelli or something (this could be way off because I don't remember). Anyway, don't you think it's odd that Donatello got chosen to be a name, when there were other artists at the time who were better? __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

12-02-2003, 04:28 PM	#3
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	I thought about that too, but if you think about it, the only reason it would be wierd is because we are so used to Donatello. Anything else just sounds silly. If Don's name started out different we would think nothing of it. By the way Bowser, that signature is great! __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

12-02-2003, 04:47 PM	#4
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	turtle names What did the real Donatello do in the arts actually? He's the only one I never really knew much about. Come to think of it I don't know much about the real Raphael but I have heard his name mentioned at least (I think). __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

12-02-2003, 04:49 PM	#5
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	I can't tell you exactly what he was, but I believe he was mainly a sculpter? I'm learning Brit Lit, so the we don't learn much about the artists. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

12-02-2003, 08:39 PM	#8
Lisardo Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 702	Isn't Ren. art fascinating!? We studied it in my college Art Appreicateion class also. We studied each of the four Turtles' namesakes, tho I'd havta break out my old notes to tell you about each of them, lol! Tho I do know that if the TMNT creators were actually gonna name each turtle after it's namesake, and have the same personality as their namesake, Leonardo, not Donatello, would have been the brainy one. Since Leonardo Da Vinci is the scientifical genious. Interesting point if you ask me. __________________ "Look I'm not gonna stop doing what's right just because it's not appreciated." -Leo

12-02-2003, 04:21 PM	#2
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	can you imagine the teenage mutant ninja turtle Bonachelli!! well it would be weird

12-02-2003, 04:55 PM	#6
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Donatello (or rather Donato), the artist, was a sculpter. He also lived in a different generation than Da Vinci and the others. Which is a big reason that he isn't mentioned often with the "big names" of The Renaissance.

12-02-2003, 05:42 PM	#7
Demonfox38 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 531	Psyche! We're learning about the Renaissance in World Area! (And I did have to laugh when my teacher said Donatello. ) Favorite Artist: Tiziano

12-02-2003, 08:45 PM	#9
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	The TMNT are unavoidable in any sort of art history class, just a fact. I remember doodiling a cartoon of Leo and Don in my "art appriciation" notes next to a list of the great renaissance artists which has the 3 other turtles and Don is asking "what about me?" __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

12-02-2003, 10:00 PM	#10
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	i just read this: Michaelangelo was born in 1475 in the area of Florence (Firenze), Italy. From an early age, he was the apprentice to the famous artist, Donatello. AND... Raphael was born on April 6, 1483, as Raffaello Sanzio. He was born in Urbino. Raphael was said to be unusually handsome, pensive and fair. Raphael had born talent and received early training in art from his father, Giovanni Santi. He also learned new techniques from Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo. Beauty and serenity were his great emotional themes. So jee wiz, all 4 artists knew each other it seems. __________________

12-02-2003, 10:47 PM	#11
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	Donatello did not know about the artists during the High Renaissance because he was in the earlier part of the Renaissance. He lived from 1375 (?) until mid-1400s. The other three were in the the 1500s. Raphael, Michelangelo, and Leonardo da Vinci all knew each other. They were in competition with each other. Michelangelo lived through the next art period...early 1600s. Michelangelo--sculptor, artitect, poet, and painter. But he wanted to be known as a sculptor rather than a painter Raphael--painter Leonardo--renaissance man. I have seen his notebooks in my university's library. If you can read backwards Italian.....I highly recommend people to look at them. In Raphael's School of Athens....the artists of the High Renaissance are placed in there by Raphael. Everyone's challenge is to look at it and try to identify the artists in the painting. I know the answers. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-02-2003, 10:55 PM	#12
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	I always found it kinda symbolic that Donatello (the turtle) was named after an artist who was not around at the same time as the other three, thus setting him apart. Donatello (again, the turtle) is also set apart at times from his brothers, so I wonder if that was one of their reasonings for naming him what they did? (Besides it being a really cool name. ) I dunno... Or, I could be way over-thinking this... __________________

12-02-2003, 11:00 PM	#13
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	it is pretty ironic that Donatello (the artist) was arrested for hitting someone with a stick... __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-02-2003, 11:04 PM	#14
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	ooh, there's a picture somewhere on the net. there's a pic called "Namesakes", and its a drawing of the four artists using the appropriate weapons... Edit: ah HA! I found it..! http://www.thetechnodrome.com/fanart...eNamesakes.jpg I Love this picture..

12-02-2003, 11:05 PM	#15
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	also Donato's personality does not match the turtle's. Michelangelo was a hot-head. Raphael and Leonardo were well-liked. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-03-2003, 09:23 AM	#17
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	The reason for naming the purple guy Donatello is simple. Even though the real artist/sculptor didn't live in the same generation, his name rhymes with the other names and overall, just sounds more synched up and in tune with the rest of the team. When you say all four names in sequence, it has this fluid melodic feel to it, adding to the unity of the team. So if Donatello was something else... it just wouldn't go over as well.

12-03-2003, 11:48 AM	#19
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	Donato was considered to be greatest artist during the early Renaissance. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

12-03-2003, 12:21 PM	#20
Dinogrrl Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 176	"Bonachelli" I think you'll find you're thinking of Botticelli. I think the reason he would be chosen is because he was a painter, as were all the others bar Donatello. Although Michelangelo sculpted, he is best known, as are Raphael and Da Vinci, for his painting. Artists who were only sculptors were, and still are, overlooked and perhaps even considered 'lesser' artists than painters. Donatello may have been chosen for the turtle as he was a sculptor and so worked more obviously with his hands as Donatello the turtle does with his gadgets. Besides, Donatello sounds cooler than Botticelli. __________________ Exceedingly Spherical Goldfish

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