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Old 10-31-2017, 01:24 PM   #21
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In the loosest sense, Bebop and Rocksteady were "Mirage" characters because Laird created them to be used for toy designs. The original designs aren't tainted by the drastic adaptation made by MWS any more than the Mirage turtles, April, Casey or Splinter were. You can't say "they wouldn't fit in to the Mirage comic" simply because they've been long established as ineffectual bumbling idiots. If this is the case, Mirage should have never let MWS do the show to begin with, since most of the characters are only loose adaptations anyway.

Shredder in Mirage is hardly more of a threat than he is in the Fred Wolf show. No matter how many times he comes back they simply defeat him again. He's more menacing and sociopathic maybe, bit only slightly more competent.

If you want a competent Shredder you have to go to the 2003 show universe or the Nick show. We never had a resolution one way or the other in Archie.
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. We never had a resolution one way or the other in Archie.
We did in Year of the Turtle.
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In the loosest sense, Bebop and Rocksteady were "Mirage" characters because Laird created them to be used for toy designs. The original designs aren't tainted by the drastic adaptation made by MWS any more than the Mirage turtles, April, Casey or Splinter were. You can't say "they wouldn't fit in to the Mirage comic" simply because they've been long established as ineffectual bumbling idiots. If this is the case, Mirage should have never let MWS do the show to begin with, since most of the characters are only loose adaptations anyway.
No. Being drawn by Eastman and Laird DOES NOT make them MIRAGE characters.

Not even loosely. That's like saying X-Force and Spawn are in the same universe because Greg Capullo drew them both.
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It was for a 20 anniversary issue if I remember correctly.
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In one of the Cowboy of Moo Mesa Tales issues they do show various dimensions in small panels and one in the upper left shows Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady, probably based on the Archie versions. That's the only "canon" appearance of Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady in Mirage.
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No. Being drawn by Eastman and Laird DOES NOT make them MIRAGE characters.

Not even loosely. That's like saying X-Force and Spawn are in the same universe because Greg Capullo drew them both.
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The way Mirage works, Bebop and Rocksteady would have been killed in their first appearance. Villains don't last long in Mirage.

I mean this is mirage, not a kids cartoon so there's nothing keeping Raph from stabbing them.
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The way Mirage works, Bebop and Rocksteady would have been killed in their first appearance. Villains don't last long in Mirage.

I mean this is mirage, not a kids cartoon so there's nothing keeping Raph from stabbing them.
They'd be fundamentally different characters. They couldn't ever have been humans, they'd be a normal rhino and warthog that were exposed to the ooze at some point at the same time as the Turtles were 15 years before issue #1... which is highly unlikely. What, did another canister bounce out of that truck and go into the zoo? It's dumb.
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They could have been random mutants in Road Hogs.
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They could have been random mutants in Road Hogs.
I guess but that's still not strictly Mirage.
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The way Mirage works, Bebop and Rocksteady would have been killed in their first appearance. Villains don't last long in Mirage.

I mean this is mirage, not a kids cartoon so there's nothing keeping Raph from stabbing them.
Oh definitely! But, plenty of iconic TMNT villains are "one and done" in Mirage.

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They'd be fundamentally different characters. They couldn't ever have been humans, they'd be a normal rhino and warthog that were exposed to the ooze at some point at the same time as the Turtles were 15 years before issue #1... which is highly unlikely. What, did another canister bounce out of that truck and go into the zoo? It's dumb.
Or they'd have different origins all together, if they even bothered to give them origins at all. They probably would be like Chote, where they just don't explain where they come from. They didn't like extra mutants, but they had no problem with anthropomorhic animals existing for no reason.

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that they really wouldn't fit in the main Mirage comic (I think an argument can be made for the RPG though), but isn't it fun to speculate about how bizarrely different they'd have to be to make them fit (and to wonder what E&L had in mind with those designs)?
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(and to wonder what E&L had in mind with those designs)?
Do we really have to wonder? We know the answer: toys, specifically the major toy deal they just landed. They didn't draw them up just to draw them up.

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Do we really have to wonder? We know the answer: toys, specifically the major toy deal They just landed. They didn't draw them up just to draw them up.
Seriously. This is about as hard to understand as grade school arithmetic.
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No. Being drawn by Eastman and Laird DOES NOT make them MIRAGE characters.

Not even loosely. That's like saying X-Force and Spawn are in the same universe because Greg Capullo drew them both.
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Do we really have to wonder? We know the answer: toys, specifically the major toy deal They just landed. They didn't draw them up just to draw them up.
LOL Yeah, pretty much. But, they'd be different toys than the ones we got, so I guess the real question becomes "What would R&B be like if E&L had more control over the toyline and FW cartoon?"
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LOL Yeah, pretty much. But, they'd be different toys than the ones we got, so I guess the real question becomes "What would R&B be like if E&L had more control over the toyline and FW cartoon?"
More gritty, more stylised and bigger.
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