Official Episode Discussion #20: "Enemy of my Enemy" - Page 10

Shredded · 04-19-2013, 01:43 AM

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.

*snake* · 04-19-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shredded

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.

Good point, but, he doesn't just train all day, he has to do other things, too.

*BubblyShell22* · 04-19-2013, 09:09 AM

He probably does chores and makes sure that his sons' rooms are clean, too. I'm sure he trains, meditates, and as I said before, watches TV when his sons aren't around.

Darth Knuckles · 04-19-2013, 11:13 AM

I really enjoyed this episode as well. I can't believe that no one mentioned Mikey's line earlier in the Shellraiser about the signal that they were getting was either the Kraang ship or Santa. "No. It's the Kraang ship."

I thought that was very funny.

The whole truce idea was a good one and it was interesting to see the turtles go back on it rather than the villain character. I also loved the Donnie/Raph/April reaction to Donnie mentioning that Karai was pretty and his awkwardness that followed.

I too think that the Russian guy that is an old friend of The Shredder's seems like a very interesting character. Mikey mentioning "Shredhead" was great. I also loved the second fight with Shredder. I liked when Shredder said something to the effect have "You'll find out why they call me the Shredder." a lot too. Shredder finally seeing The Kraang was nice to see as well.

The end was great too with Shredder actually capturing a Kraang. I do wonder if this will become Kraang Prime or just what Shredder will end up doing with it.

*Coola Yagami* · 04-20-2013, 08:04 AM

so... no new ep today?

*drgon78* · 04-20-2013, 08:25 AM

No, there isn't a new episode this week but next week there will be.

*snake* · 04-20-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

so... no new ep today?

Sadly, no.

*Slade* · 04-20-2013, 01:48 PM

Everyone has pretty munched touched in everything, so ill just day it was a good ep.

Lightjump · 04-20-2013, 04:01 PM

this is my experience watching the episode.
(READER AGGRESSSION IS NOT ADVISED)
1.Meanwhile the turtles are on a rooftop looking at a building
2.Nooo! A giant robo laser squid!RUNNN! Oh, hi Karai
3.Karai motercycle.... Make it a toy now!!!!
4.So whats Leo's and Mikes thang
5.Nooo THE NOT THE CONE!
6.Sternako! Heck ya!

7.oh, so Mikey is in the water ballon bussiness
8.RRRRPPPPGGGG!!
9.Shreeder is a statue
10.Awww.... Shreeders... sweet..in a creepy insane old guy way

*snake* · 04-20-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightjump

this is my experience watching the episode.
(READER AGGRESSSION IS NOT ADVISED)
1.Meanwhile the turtles are on a rooftop looking at a building
2.Nooo! A giant robo laser squid!RUNNN! Oh, hi Karai
3.Karai motercycle.... Make it a toy now!!!!
4.So whats Leo's and Mikes thang
5.Nooo THE NOT THE CONE!
6.Sternako! Heck ya!

7.oh, so Mikey is in the water ballon bussiness
8.RRRRPPPPGGGG!!
9.Shreeder is a statue
10.Awww.... Shreeders... sweet..in a creepy insane old guy way

Wow......are you on drugs or something'?

Lightjump · 04-21-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by snakeweed101

Wow......are you on drugs or something'?

hehe.... Why you think that

*snake* · 04-21-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lightjump

hehe.... Why you think that

No idea

and uh, this post needs ten charecters

*Coola Yagami* · 04-21-2013, 06:56 PM

OMG, NINJA TURTLES IS THE BEST CARTOON I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!! I HAD A NINJA TURTLES ONCE!!! No... wait... that was a Battletoad... BUT IT WAS STILL GREEN!

*Donatello19* · 04-21-2013, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shredded

I actually think that Splinter mostly trains.

I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age.
He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair.
What did he do? he trained.

He probably also looks after Spike, and trains with April down in the lair when the turtles are top side.

*Refractive Reflections* · 04-22-2013, 12:57 AM

I've noticed that some posts have questioned/debated why Leonardo would betray the daughter of an arch villain, but I think what some people are forgetting is that Leonardo DIDN'T know Karai was Shredder's daughter. That's why Leonardo was shocked in discovering that information. As TMNT fans, we already know she is Shredder's daughter, but you have to look at it from a storytelling and first-time viewer perspective. In other words, a kid seeing this or anyone new to TMNT would be genuinely shocked by the revelation.

Therefore from that perspective, it makes sense why Leonardo went along in following Donatello and Raphael in destroying the Shredder. Leonardo probably thought Karai was some wayward orphan teenager who was being oppressed and trapped by Shredder's tyranny and had "no way out", which explains why Leo was asking, "Why are you protecting him?!?! You said he's driving you crazy!" I'm sure if Leo had this knowledge beforehand, the Turtles wouldn't have attacked Shredder in the first place especially Leo since he could every so slowly persuade Karai to not be so vigilant against feuding with them. So I don't think Leo made a "poor leadership decision" with the information he had, I think he was trying to rescue Karai from Shredder.

As for having a Kraang captured by Shredder? Hmmm, it seems like it could have it's own unique spin on the whole OT version of the Shredder and Krang alliance. I know that a lot of TMNT fans always wondered how these two exactly forged an alliance, so maybe this Nick version could give a totally reinterpreted backstory of this. (Okay, maybe not a solid alliance like in the OT, but at least give some type of story to it since it made us TMNT fans wonder.)

Is it me, or does it seem everytime the Turtles encounter Shredder (just like in the "The Gauntlet") there seems to be an added level of darkness or maturity on the Turtles' characters? Obviously, this Shredder is an ominous and threatening villain, but it seems with every experience there's a progressive, step-by-step, slight "lost innocence"/"point of no return" tone. The ending with Leo being so deeply contemplative was probably the most torn I've seen from the character thus far.
I guess from this perspective, it's sort of making sense why the Nick writers made the Turtles so immature or why I called them "Tweenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" in the beginning. It gives a lot more room for the show to display their maturity and growth throughout the series.

Atren · 04-22-2013, 03:41 AM

Speaking of Kraang, I wonder is the Kraang that was captured the one who said Kraang rules?

*drgon78* · 04-22-2013, 06:19 AM

I am happy they actually made them act like both teenagers and brothers. I also like April being a teenager, only slightly older then the Turtles, and important to the story. I like that Splinter is as much of a father as he is a sensei to the turtles.

I still would like to see a TMNT series that brings back Bebop and Rocksteady.

Well regardless of the reasoning for the Turtle's betrayal of Karai they will still be made to regret it...well at least April will.

*Bauer536* · 04-22-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JYX

I've noticed that some posts have questioned/debated why Leonardo would betray the daughter of an arch villain, but I think what some people are forgetting is that Leonardo DIDN'T know Karai was Shredder's daughter. That's why Leonardo was shocked in discovering that information. As TMNT fans, we already know she is Shredder's daughter, but you have to look at it from a storytelling and first-time viewer perspective. In other words, a kid seeing this or anyone new to TMNT would be genuinely shocked by the revelation.

Therefore from that perspective, it makes sense why Leonardo went along in following Donatello and Raphael in destroying the Shredder. Leonardo probably thought Karai was some wayward orphan teenager who was being oppressed and trapped by Shredder's tyranny and had "no way out", which explains why Leo was asking, "Why are you protecting him?!?! You said he's driving you crazy!" I'm sure if Leo had this knowledge beforehand, the Turtles wouldn't have attacked Shredder in the first place especially Leo since he could every so slowly persuade Karai to not be so vigilant against feuding with them. So I don't think Leo made a "poor leadership decision" with the information he had, I think he was trying to rescue Karai from Shredder.

I agree with you 100%. This is exactly what happened. It was not a poor decision for the turtles. In fact, even if I had a chance to have Shredder captured or killed, daughter or not, I would still betray Karai.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 04-22-2013, 03:08 PM

really great episode! i loved it

Ninjawolf · 04-22-2013, 09:42 PM

The Turtles did make a mistake... at the moment The Kraang are the bigger threat bar none. While Shredder is a more personal enemy the Kraang are a huge danger to the world at large. By putting their vendetta first they might have possibly lost the chance to get Karai on their side for good. And now Shredder will possibly have access to Kraang tech so yes this was z huge mistake by the Turtles

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04-19-2013, 09:09 AM	#183
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	He probably does chores and makes sure that his sons' rooms are clean, too. I'm sure he trains, meditates, and as I said before, watches TV when his sons aren't around. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

04-19-2013, 11:13 AM	#184
Darth Knuckles Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mutani-Isle Posts: 701	I really enjoyed this episode as well. I can't believe that no one mentioned Mikey's line earlier in the Shellraiser about the signal that they were getting was either the Kraang ship or Santa. "No. It's the Kraang ship." I thought that was very funny. The whole truce idea was a good one and it was interesting to see the turtles go back on it rather than the villain character. I also loved the Donnie/Raph/April reaction to Donnie mentioning that Karai was pretty and his awkwardness that followed. I too think that the Russian guy that is an old friend of The Shredder's seems like a very interesting character. Mikey mentioning "Shredhead" was great. I also loved the second fight with Shredder. I liked when Shredder said something to the effect have "You'll find out why they call me the Shredder." a lot too. Shredder finally seeing The Kraang was nice to see as well. The end was great too with Shredder actually capturing a Kraang. I do wonder if this will become Kraang Prime or just what Shredder will end up doing with it. __________________ "Shredder, what have you done!?!" - Tiger Claw (Annihilation: Earth!)

04-20-2013, 08:04 AM	#185
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,696	so... no new ep today? __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

04-20-2013, 01:48 PM	#188
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04-19-2013, 01:43 AM	#181
Shredded Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 228	I actually think that Splinter mostly trains. I mean, he knows that Shredder is out there, and even though Splinter is un-defeated, it has been fifteen years, where he has been stuck in the sewers raising four boys whom is the same age. He probably knows that now isn't the time to slack off, as in, at all. So he probably trains when-ever he can. He did that a little bit in the Rat king episode, and that is the only time we actually saw Splinter being alone in the lair. What did he do? he trained.

04-20-2013, 08:25 AM	#186
drgon78 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,403	No, there isn't a new episode this week but next week there will be.

04-20-2013, 04:01 PM	#189
Lightjump Thug Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 85	this is my experience watching the episode. (READER AGGRESSSION IS NOT ADVISED) 1.Meanwhile the turtles are on a rooftop looking at a building 2.Nooo! A giant robo laser squid!RUNNN! Oh, hi Karai 3.Karai motercycle.... Make it a toy now!!!! 4.So whats Leo's and Mikes thang 5.Nooo THE NOT THE CONE! 6.Sternako! Heck ya! 7.oh, so Mikey is in the water ballon bussiness 8.RRRRPPPPGGGG!! 9.Shreeder is a statue 10.Awww.... Shreeders... sweet..in a creepy insane old guy way

04-21-2013, 06:56 PM	#193
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,696	OMG, NINJA TURTLES IS THE BEST CARTOON I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!! I HAD A NINJA TURTLES ONCE!!! No... wait... that was a Battletoad... BUT IT WAS STILL GREEN! __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

04-22-2013, 12:57 AM	#195
Refractive Reflections Mad Scientist $Refractive Reflections's Avatar$ Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,371	I've noticed that some posts have questioned/debated why Leonardo would betray the daughter of an arch villain, but I think what some people are forgetting is that Leonardo DIDN'T know Karai was Shredder's daughter. That's why Leonardo was shocked in discovering that information. As TMNT fans, we already know she is Shredder's daughter, but you have to look at it from a storytelling and first-time viewer perspective. In other words, a kid seeing this or anyone new to TMNT would be genuinely shocked by the revelation. Therefore from that perspective, it makes sense why Leonardo went along in following Donatello and Raphael in destroying the Shredder. Leonardo probably thought Karai was some wayward orphan teenager who was being oppressed and trapped by Shredder's tyranny and had "no way out", which explains why Leo was asking, "Why are you protecting him?!?! You said he's driving you crazy!" I'm sure if Leo had this knowledge beforehand, the Turtles wouldn't have attacked Shredder in the first place especially Leo since he could every so slowly persuade Karai to not be so vigilant against feuding with them. So I don't think Leo made a "poor leadership decision" with the information he had, I think he was trying to rescue Karai from Shredder. As for having a Kraang captured by Shredder? Hmmm, it seems like it could have it's own unique spin on the whole OT version of the Shredder and Krang alliance. I know that a lot of TMNT fans always wondered how these two exactly forged an alliance, so maybe this Nick version could give a totally reinterpreted backstory of this. (Okay, maybe not a solid alliance like in the OT, but at least give some type of story to it since it made us TMNT fans wonder.) Is it me, or does it seem everytime the Turtles encounter Shredder (just like in the "The Gauntlet") there seems to be an added level of darkness or maturity on the Turtles' characters? Obviously, this Shredder is an ominous and threatening villain, but it seems with every experience there's a progressive, step-by-step, slight "lost innocence"/"point of no return" tone. The ending with Leo being so deeply contemplative was probably the most torn I've seen from the character thus far. I guess from this perspective, it's sort of making sense why the Nick writers made the Turtles so immature or why I called them "Tweenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" in the beginning. It gives a lot more room for the show to display their maturity and growth throughout the series. Last edited by Refractive Reflections; 04-22-2013 at 01:15 AM.
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04-22-2013, 03:41 AM	#196
Atren Random Punk Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Europe Posts: 39	Speaking of Kraang, I wonder is the Kraang that was captured the one who said Kraang rules?

04-22-2013, 06:19 AM	#197
drgon78 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,403	I am happy they actually made them act like both teenagers and brothers. I also like April being a teenager, only slightly older then the Turtles, and important to the story. I like that Splinter is as much of a father as he is a sensei to the turtles. I still would like to see a TMNT series that brings back Bebop and Rocksteady. Well regardless of the reasoning for the Turtle's betrayal of Karai they will still be made to regret it...well at least April will.

04-22-2013, 03:08 PM	#199
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04-22-2013, 09:42 PM	#200
Ninjawolf Thug Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 96	The Turtles did make a mistake... at the moment The Kraang are the bigger threat bar none. While Shredder is a more personal enemy the Kraang are a huge danger to the world at large. By putting their vendetta first they might have possibly lost the chance to get Karai on their side for good. And now Shredder will possibly have access to Kraang tech so yes this was z huge mistake by the Turtles