New Episode Discussion: Search for Splinter Diology(?)

[Splinter]

Originally Posted by heretic888

In the Palladium RPG, Mike also has the highest agility and dexterity of the four and is the second strongest and second fastest (both after Raph).

Sorry, but he's not the weakest by any margin.

Correctimundo. And don't forget Mikey also has a stronger Mental Endurance, Mental Affinity, and is the cutest turtle. With Raphael being the ugliest with a 5.

Donatello: IQ: 19, ME: 15, MA: 12, PS: 13, PP: 17, PE: 13, PB: 9, Speed: 10

Leonardo: IQ: 16, ME: 16, MA: 17, PS: 15, PP: 20, PE: 18, PB: 11, Speed: 11

Michealangelo: IQ: 11, ME: 14, MA: 19, PS: 16, PP: 24, PE: 17, PB: 16, Speed: 14

Raphael: IQ: 12, ME: 13, MA: 11, PS: 20, PP: 18, PE: 20, PB: 5, Speed: 15


IQ - Intelligence Quotient
ME - Mental Endurance
MA - Mental Affinity
PS - Physical Strength
PP - Physical Prowess
PE - Physical Endurance
PB - Physical Beauty

[Anarchistguy]

How can there be a cutest and ugliest turtle? They all look the same.

(I have the RPG book too)

[Splinter]

Part of their PB includes their charm/impress skills. And Mikey is a much more friendly/outgoing charatcer then any of the others. But he's also cuter then the others, period. Just because they look the same to us, doesn't mean they would to other turtles. And you'll notice that Mikey in all the comics and toons, does make friends with more people then the others do.

[Machias Banshee]

Mike is such a sweetheart...

*snuggles Mikey*

[heretic888]

if he did not, they would have been blown up by the bomb. the turtles' greatest strength is when they work as a team.

Ummm... since when were we talking about them working as a team??

I notice people tend to fall back on that lame excuse when engaged in an argument over which TMNT is "better" at something. OF COURSE they are better as a team --- its harder to break 4 sticks than 1. But, THE POINT REMAINS, that Don is far from the best fighter of the group.

[Spacefille]

Sorry... I didn't mean to cause a wild debate. I just made that comment because... hmm. It's been a while since I read them but I thought Mikey got his arm sliced open or something and Raph had to defend him. I thought there was some comment made about Mikey being weaker. That may have been because of the injury and maybe, because it's been so long, I don't remember correctly at all.

heretic888 probably has a point of who is the strongest fighter. Then again, there are probably *aspects* of fighting that each excell in over the other.

Basically the arguement is moot.

Also Donatello threw himself in front of the blast in the last episode to save Master Splinter's cell from getting hit. He did that on purpose.

[heretic888]

Sorry... I didn't mean to cause a wild debate. I just made that comment because... hmm. It's been a while since I read them but I thought Mikey got his arm sliced open or something and Raph had to defend him. I thought there was some comment made about Mikey being weaker. That may have been because of the injury and maybe, because it's been so long, I don't remember correctly at all.

Yeah... and Leo got his head gashed open, and Raph was knocked off the side of a building and only lived because there was a clothesline. Stuff like that happens.

There was no comment made about Mike being the "weakest", especially since he had just whupped up on Raph on the Raphael one-shot just before #4. On a side note, however, Splinter describes Raph as his "weakest" student during 'Thr River' storyline (of course, this was not written by Eastman or Laird so take it with a grain of salt), but I believe he was referring to Raph's "mental" and "spiritual" weakness and not his fighting ability.

heretic888 probably has a point of who is the strongest fighter. Then again, there are probably *aspects* of fighting that each excell in over the other.

Probably, but that doesn't mean they are all magically "equal" either.

Basically the arguement is moot.

Not really.

Laterz.

[Jo Dawn]

*Gasp* My poor Donnie. You may not be the strongest, but I still love you. *hugs*


*ahem* Back on topic (kinda): I have GOT to find one of those rpg books somewhere; that's interesting information. Thanks for posting it...

[Anarchistguy]

Just do what I did: order them from the official TMNT site. I got two of them: TMNT and other Strageness & the TMNT Guide to the universe.

[Jo Dawn]

I'm gonna have to do that. I was hoping to find one somewhere in a store, but, I've had no success.

[Anarchistguy]

I found the Guide to the universe book at a store, actually.

[heretic888]

My poor Donnie. You may not be the strongest, but I still love you.

I'd like to add that just because Don may be the weakest or slowest or least skilled of the four does not make him a "bad character". Likewise, Mike is the most agile and talented of the group, but that is not what makes his character interesting (although it does add a certain dimension to him that fits with his overall character). Its their internal "character qualities" and personalities that make them interesting, long-staying characters... not their ability to cream the ThunderCats in a fight (sorry, i couldn't resist!!)

Even with the RPG material, its hard to determine who is the "best fighter":

- Leo and Raph are one experience level higher than Mike and Don, and thus receive slighly higher bonuses with their respective weapon proficiencies (+1 more if they were all using the same weapons). Leo and Raph also have 1 more attack per melee round than Mike and Don (6 attacks versus Mike and Don's 5 attacks).
- Mike has the highest Physical Prowess at 24, Leo's is 20, Raph's is 18, and Don's is 17.
- Mike has the highest unarmed Strike/Parry/Dodge bonuses (+7/+9/+9), Leo is behind him by -1 (+6/+8/+, Raph behind Leo by -1 (+5/+7/+7), Don is a bit behind the rest considerably (+3/+3/+3).
- Raph has the highest Physical Strength at 20, Mike's is 16, Leo's is 15, and Don's is 13 (oddly enough, this is the same Physical Strength as April and Splinter).
- Raph has the highest Damage bonus at +5, Mike's is at +3, Leo's and Don's is at +2.
- Raph has the highest Roll with Punch bonus at +8, Leo at +7, Mike at +5, and Don at +3. If you successfully roll with a blunt attack or fall, then you only take half damage.
- Raph runs the fastest with a Speed of 15, Mike's is 14, Leo's is 11, and Don's is 10.

Now, the rest of their worth as "fighters" is determined by not them, but the weapons they use:

- The strongest weapon is a katana which does 2d6 or 3d6 damage (depending on the quality), next is the nunchaku or bo staff at 1d8, and the weakest is the sai at 1d6.
- The different weapons have different bonuses if you have a weapon proficiency with them. The nunchaku, for example, as a chained weapon has pretty high Strike bonuses but somewhat lower Parry bonuses. The katana, as a large sword, has fairly low Strike bonuses but high Parry bonuses. A staff is fairly average in both.

So, ultimately, its pretty hard to determine who is the "best fighter". Its definitely not Don, either way you slice it. If you don't count their weapons as contributing to their "fighting abilities" and just like at their own internal capacities, this tends to even things out.

All in all, Mike, Leo, and Raph are ABOUT even... so, its hard to ultimatley say. I think what puts Raph behind Mike and Leo are his berserker rages, not a very effective fighting tool against warriors like Mike, Leo, or the Shredder.

Thus, I'd say, according to the RPG, Mike and Leo are pretty much "equal" fighters. They were the only two that could injure Shredder one-on-one.

Bah. Laterz.

[J Legault]

This Mumbo Jumbo about who's quickier and smartier is not making me think straight.

[Stefano]

agreed it doesnt really matter

[Spacefille]

That's what I said. In the end it doesn't even matter...

... well actually Linkin Park said that, but that's besides the point...

[Karpo_007]

Well in Mirage Don is pretty much a pacifist, but when they get into a fight he holds his own as well as the others. But like been said, he certainly isn't the most skilled fighter of the group.

[Pher]

I agree that Don is not the most powerful fighter of the group, but he more then makes up for it, I like how they now have him carrying around a tool bag, it fits him, hes the brains of the group, Also I believe that ralph could be a a far more effective fighter if he could control his temper

[heretic888]

I agree that Don is not the most powerful fighter of the group, but he more then makes up for it, I like how they now have him carrying around a tool bag, it fits him, hes the brains of the group

In the RPG itself, Don has a LOT of scholastic skills the others don't get and its probably his major contribution to the "group". The other three seem to be better for fighting and other stuff like tracking and demolitions (Raph), espionage/disguise and escape (Mike), and planning (Leo).

Also I believe that ralph could be a a far more effective fighter if he could control his temper

Its not really that simple. Raph's "temper" makes up part of his emotional makeup and he'd have to completely readjust how his body moves in relation to intent if there were any significant emotional or mental changes in him.

If it were to happen, the changes would have to be gradual so his body could adjust to the changes.

[Machias Banshee]

This thread be closin down in....32 hours!


Make your last comments...have your last meal....make confessionals....what do you want on your tombstone...and do you want fries with that..?

[Jephael]

I wonder where Casey and April went after losing contact with the turtles. I mean he's got his own place to stay but her shop's still burned down from the explosion. Kinda makes me wonder...